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nakuma
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Joined: 5/04/06
"then again I could be wrong, but that's just my opinion" -Dennis Miller |
BIOWARE MISSES TARGET AUDIENCE BIOWARE:<<Takes 99,999 CRIT DMG - FROM MMO COMMUNITY!!>> PERMADEATH ! ||" Please feel free to recreate a new MMO transaction model at your convenience"|| thank you for playing SW:TOR. 3.4ghz Phenom II X4 965, 8GB PC12800 DDR3 GSKILL, EVGA 285 GTX 1GB, 640GB HD SATA II, ThermalTake 850Watt PSU. MSI NF980-G65 TRI-SLI MOBO. |
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Let's not panic too soon until we hear from Richietto's many mental doctors and therapists about whether the great man's utterance was 'officially on the record' or 'just another one of his crazy-bird delusions'. |
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lol whats all the fuss about? many games from professional western devs are going for micro transactions.. its the new trend. if u dont like it ok thats fine, but its no reason it will fail anyway... i dont really care what direction SW TOR will step in, will prolly not play it anyway. altho it is tempting to try it when its f2p + item mall |
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Originally posted by Precusor
I bet you are not the only one. Would like to know a bit more but seems like they lost me for good as a customer. |
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nakuma
Advanced Member
Joined: 5/04/06
"then again I could be wrong, but that's just my opinion" -Dennis Miller |
Originally posted by 3on1
its a trend in asia, that these western devs are trying to adopt forcefully on US/Canada. when will they realize that its not a popular business model, and will end up failing, or barely getting by. i know if this is indeed a new trend here, i will be finding a new hobby. SW:TOR by any and all definition is off my list of MMO's. 3.4ghz Phenom II X4 965, 8GB PC12800 DDR3 GSKILL, EVGA 285 GTX 1GB, 640GB HD SATA II, ThermalTake 850Watt PSU. MSI NF980-G65 TRI-SLI MOBO. |
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RIP SW:TOR. This is insane, BioWare what have you stooped to? Do you wan't to feel my outside on your inside? I doubt it, so shhh and let me do what I please.
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Originally posted by 3on1
It's more than likely NOT GOING TO BE F2P. Microtransaction in Retail MMO's with Subscription is a very greedy business model.
Asian MMO's that utilize Item Malls are entirely Free2play. No box/digital download purchase no subcriptions.
Do you wan't to feel my outside on your inside? I doubt it, so shhh and let me do what I please.
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There is a lot of over reaction here, based largely on assuming that micro-transactions refer to practical weapons and armor. You people have no idea what you're talking about, obviously. As far as the game goes, I'm hesitant because I do not support $15/mo in addition to an item mall. I'll never support that; as someone else here has said, that's a disturbing level of greed. If it's free to play with an item mall then I'll definitely be getting it. The only thing that would give me pause is if the box is charged for. If they do charge for the box then I would expect it to not be the full $50+ price tag. Having a box price that high would be a deal breaker. If a nominal (say, $3/mo to maybe $5/mo) sub is attached then maybe. I'm kind of doubtful, but maybe. Nothing says that I ever have to get anything from the item mall. RMT is entirely acceptable under the correct circumstances. They can easily sink the MMO, but a micro-transaction model in itself is no reason to jump to baseless assumptions. _____ |
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singsofdeath
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Joined: 1/28/06
"You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity." |
UPDATE:
"Hey everyone, sorry for not chiming in right with this but I wanted to confirm the accuracy of what I was going to say before posting it. This unfortunately was a big misunderstanding and I want to be clear: we have made no official statements about the business model for Star Wars™: The Old Republic™. When we do have information as to business model for The Old Republic, we will definitely share it with all of you and you’ll find that information here on the official website. Sean "Ashen Temper" Dahlberg
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Originally posted by IareEatBOAT
I read the article and they don't talk about any monthly fees. It might be that you buy the box and then play without monthly fees but it have a cash shop. That is acceptable. I would still play Guildwars even if they put in a cash shop. I would whine a bit about it however... If they do what SOE just did to EQ 1 &2 however, and have both monthly fees and cashshop, then the game will fail miserably. Let's just wait and see, that announcement in february should clear things up. |
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When I heard Bioware was doing the development for SWTOR it certainly caught my attention. I have always been impressed by the games they have produced over the years and was looking forward to this one. Now that its has been stated they are trying to use the microtransaction model I am more than a little disappointed to hear this. I was quite willing to pay $15.99 or more per month to try this out and see what it has to offer. There is no way on hell I am willing to pay for content as I go. I understand this model is popular in Asia for whatever reason. I currently play WOW (thats right you heard me), saw what you will about the graphics and catering to whiney and lazy fans, you can access the whole world for the cost of the game plus the subscription fee. Most MMO's have some kind of problm with currency farming because there are gamers out there who will pay real money to make the game easier for them. From the tone of the posts I have seen here and on other boards the players of MMO's for the most part work hard on their chosen games and earn gear and improve their toons to get into more difficult parts of the game. They idea that someone with a credit card with little or no effort can acquire the same stuff as you do through time and effort really pises off the average player. Perhaps I am being too narrow minded, and I should wait for more info but right not this just smacks of the companies involved looking to make the biggest score possible and be dammed with what the players, your customers want. While I wont saw never till I know more this has cast a deep gloom over this title fro me. |
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DeaconX
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Joined: 2/08/05
Stand up for what you believe; Even if you stand alone. |
Originally posted by Draccan
I know right? It sounds a lot like back-pedalling from EA to me at this point. Something like. "Oh crap...he shouldn't have mentioned that yet! Let's say something to keep them happy for now!" -.-
Yup.. They waited for 70-80 pages on the official forums of discussions before jumping in..
They didn't 'wait', most people weren't even at work at the time... and Sean who had been there late noticed the thread and did post last night AND this morning. I think the general consensus is... “We don’t believe it was a mistake – but having it turn out to be true later on would be.”  Why do I write, create, fantasize, dream and daydream about other worlds? Because I hate what humanity does with this one.
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Originally posted by jtjr26
another stupid pointless post! woooooo let the flames of stupidity live long! I think its just about time I delete my MMORPG.COM account, as 90% of the userbase have nothing good nor intelligent to contribute besides showing me how quickly they can soil themselves...THATS what I smell.... |
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I would like to give myself an Official YOU WERE RIGHT AWARD: Originally posted by hubertgrove
"Hey everyone, sorry for not chiming in right with this but I wanted to confirm the accuracy of what I was going to say before posting it. This unfortunately was a big misunderstanding and I want to be clear: we have made no official statements about the business model for Star Wars™: The Old Republic™. When we do have information as to business model for The Old Republic, we will definitely share it with all of you and you’ll find that information here on the official website. Sean "Ashen Temper" Dahlberg
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Originally posted by hubertgrove
So what? Remember the last time John "slipped up"? It pretty much confirmed that TOR was being made. (not like it wasn't known though). But this time, he slipped up big time.
I'd like to see how they'll justify this to the palyer base, but unless they specifically want the Eastern market, they'll have to have some incredibly innovative business models to be successful here. |
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If this game (or any "game") goes with a microtransaction model...I will not play it. Period. |
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singsofdeath
Novice Member
Joined: 1/28/06
"You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity." |
Originally posted by Jpizzle
"Hey everyone, sorry for not chiming in right with this but I wanted to confirm the accuracy of what I was going to say before posting it. This unfortunately was a big misunderstanding and I want to be clear: we have made no official statements about the business model for Star Wars™: The Old Republic™. When we do have information as to business model for The Old Republic, we will definitely share it with all of you and you’ll find that information here on the official website. Sean "Ashen Temper" Dahlberg
So what? Remember the last time John "slipped up"? It pretty much confirmed that TOR was being made. (not like it wasn't known though). But this time, he slipped up big time.
I'd like to see how they'll justify this to the palyer base, but unless they specifically want the Eastern market, they'll have to have some incredibly innovative business models to be successful here.
I'll say this again here. No one denied what John said last time. BiOWare just didn't officially commit to the words and remained at a "we have no comment" position.
This time, they official refuted any claim that this has been announced in any way and that it was even internally confirmed at this time.
One more time, (the third time now), this was most likely a calculated slip on EA's part to test the waters for a MT Model. They got their reaction. Let's just hope they understand that MT = Death for the game before it is even launched. The outcry sure was loud enough. |
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i think my enthusiasm for this game will depend upon wether microtransaction means that player buy gear/xp or module like content has to be purchased. while the first certainly would make me want to throw up and never touch the game i could live with paying a few dollar/eura once in a while when a new story quest gets introduced. if your bored, visit my blog at: |
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Fot those that dont realize a Micro Transaction system can work quite easily. Free to play does not equal pay to win if the item malls or whatever are done right and there are free alternatives... There are many good Micro transaction games and people jump the gun with their opinion on them before they actually play them. It also varies by the gameplay style and how important gear and the like will really be on wether it means Win. A game like Shin Megami Tensei online for example the armor and stuff seem to do very little.... It seems you pay more for character slots etc. Same goes with stuff like mabinogi etc. The Cash shop items are rarely "that good" to make you all powerful. Also if you base the micro transaction items around items that every player can get you avoid any major issues if you break it down. Its just a way for people to buy the items rather then work for them. Which while displeasing to us works for those that play more casually and dont want to spend hours hunting 1 mob to get a gear set or something. There are many many ways these systems can work out quite nicely for everyone (considering the amount of lazy mmo players out there lol) and still be a good game. DO NOT jump the gun before having all the info on the game and the micro transaction system or you could be horribly dissappointed that y ou missed something... I also urge you to try Runes of Magic our when it goes Open Beta. They have stated all cash shop items will have free alternatives. Again there are many ways these systems can work. People judge them poorly cuz they need to pay for items but if you give the games a fair chance alot of them arnt really all that bad.... MMO's are a dime a dozen these days and none are really that different when you've been playing them since the days meridian 59 first came out (about a year before UO officially came out etc...) The experiences start to blend together and it becomes more about the Social aspect then anything else and just playing with people you like and meeting new people. How they make their money is none of my concern if the core of the game is solid and there are many solid micro transaction games. They may or may not be your cup of tea but they are there and there are people that love em more then other games. Alot more games will likely start adopting that model because its better for the consumer and them. Even Guild Wars has some Micro Transactions and no one jumps on that game for having it. Interesting no? Done right it can be a very nice experience :P |
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Yep, I am solidly behind the microtransaction model and believe that everyone will be if it's done right. I'm still gonna have my diamond encrusted platinum lightsaber/pimp cane. |
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Originally posted by ianicus
another stupid pointless post! woooooo let the flames of stupidity live long! I think its just about time I delete my MMORPG.COM account, as 90% of the userbase have nothing good nor intelligent to contribute besides showing me how quickly they can soil themselves...THATS what I smell....
He brings several points of concern, Mr.Fanboi, and you didn't. If you can delete your account, by all means do so. Judging from your post, you never brought anything to the table to begin with. "The Empire always strikes back!" - Grand Admiral Pallaeon |
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I understand why they have done this... they looked at e-bay, saw what people were willing to pay for virutal things, and said "How can we get that streamed to us. We are creating and maintaining a virtual world, that others are cashing in on. That money should be ours." Understandable that any business man would look at it that way. Now however there is two things to recognize that they might have missed. 1) Those players buying items with real money might represent 1% of the games total population. It is not something that everybody is doing or wanting to do. 2) People enjoy RMTing as a CHEAT in the game. Using real money as a leg up in the game over all the other ethical players that won't do it. People who RMT might not be interested in a place where everybody is buying. They no longer have the leg up, so they will stick to the game where they still have it. 3) Essentially rules out any kind of high level PVP. If in the interest of balance the paid for items aren't that much better than the quested/free items. Then why even buy them. 4) Paid for items means giving characters an unlimited inventory which other games economists have shown leads to hording of items. Then that leads to an economic spiral. You need limited inventories that force items back in to the market.
For those thinking the money was just for extra content, areas, expansions or levels... uh uh. This would be too big of a game for that. EA wants a consistent, constant revenue stream. Having players pay $20 every 6 months wouldn't work. They would more likely be wanting to generate more like $2-3 per day per player. You can only do that with an item mall. |
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Originally posted by singsofdeath
So what? Remember the last time John "slipped up"? It pretty much confirmed that TOR was being made. (not like it wasn't known though). But this time, he slipped up big time.
I'd like to see how they'll justify this to the palyer base, but unless they specifically want the Eastern market, they'll have to have some incredibly innovative business models to be successful here.
I'll say this again here. No one denied what John said last time. BiOWare just didn't officially commit to the words and remained at a "we have no comment" position.
This time, they official refuted any claim that this has been announced in any way and that it was even internally confirmed at this time.
One more time, (the third time now), this was most likely a calculated slip on EA's part to test the waters for a MT Model. They got their reaction. Let's just hope they understand that MT = Death for the game before it is even launched. The outcry sure was loud enough.
When we do have information as to business model for The Old Republic, we will definitely share it with all of you and you’ll find that information here on the official website."
The problem is they haven't refuted anything really. They said we have no official statements. They said when we do have information as to a buisness model ect ect we will share it. Besides we all know how EA works. They seem to always have the reigns of a game when there involved. Who do you honestly believe will be deciding the buisness model? Bioware or EA? Besides that who here believes that LA reps are not sitting in an office some where listening to what EA said thinking it over and drooling? EA: Well .... I know you want a cash cow...... BUT! we have something else in mind...... LA: What? EA : The goose that laid the golden egg. LA: OO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So disapointing
