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12/09/08 5:54:49 PM#26
No,i love the PvP and they listen to player feedback.
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12/09/08 5:55:41 PM#27
Well i never cancelled my account just havn't played for awhile, the game has the potential to become good so i guess i just keep on waiting for them to do something spectacular...i did answer their survey they sent me in my email, not sure if anyone else got that. "The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." |
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12/09/08 6:32:55 PM#28
Not at all...they are adding new stuff in patch 1.1 which would help us communicate better. Also they listen to our complains and make the game better like item linking in chat. The game we are playing right now is somewhat in beta phase like most new games. It takes time for them to become good and fun like WoW didn't have a PvP system early on and it took them some time to make it. So again let's recap...the game is very new and should be treated as a very late beta that we bought and pay for and still have fun playing. GJ Mythic! Purpose in life is not to gain things, but experience. - Rover64dd |
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12/10/08 2:45:28 AM#29
funny thing is that wotlks Wintergrasp is like 50 times better made than WARs keep-overtaking URL="http://www.darkfallonline.com/"]IMG]http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l1/rwp80/Darkfall%20Ad%20Banners/DFadsigbanner5.jpg[/IMG][/url] |
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12/10/08 2:50:38 AM#30
Originally posted by Betelguez
hahahah. No. |
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12/10/08 2:54:55 AM#31
Yes. Lied about Origins and got our hopes up, then releases a bland and watered-down piece of junk called WAR. |
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12/10/08 3:03:24 AM#32
Originally posted by Plaidpants hahahah. No.
No? Blizzard has no budget to keep, Mythic didn't even make their game finished in time for release. URL="http://www.darkfallonline.com/"]IMG]http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l1/rwp80/Darkfall%20Ad%20Banners/DFadsigbanner5.jpg[/IMG][/url] |
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12/10/08 3:05:44 AM#33
Originally posted by Betelguez
No? Blizzard has no budget to keep, Mythic didn't even make their game finished in time for release. What does that have to do with the fact you said Wintergrasp > WAR's keep overtaking? |
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12/10/08 3:09:48 AM#34
Originally posted by Plaidpants
No? Blizzard has no budget to keep, Mythic didn't even make their game finished in time for release. What does that have to do with the fact you said Wintergrasp > WAR's keep overtaking?
make a fucking guess? mythic rushed their pos game - the beta was kinda fun but in the real game there was no reason whatever the fuck to defend a keep == they turned into "player versus keep NPC"-fights URL="http://www.darkfallonline.com/"]IMG]http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l1/rwp80/Darkfall%20Ad%20Banners/DFadsigbanner5.jpg[/IMG][/url] |
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12/10/08 4:16:52 AM#35
Originally posted by Betelguez What does that have to do with the fact you said Wintergrasp > WAR's keep overtaking?
make a fucking guess? mythic rushed their pos game - the beta was kinda fun but in the real game there was no reason whatever the fuck to defend a keep == they turned into "player versus keep NPC"-fights
Mythic openly admitted that and they're fixing it. They can't just push a button and have it fix itself, these things take time. They saw how well it worked in beta (where people cared less about rp) and assumed it would be the same in retail, which it obviously wasn't.
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12/10/08 9:26:12 AM#36
Originally posted by Ogrelin
Because they are prob WOW fanbois...WOW fanbois are worried because they haven't seen disappointment at this level until wotlk came out. I find it very funny to read the WOW forums and watch all the chaos that has unfolded since this newest flop..WAR is improving more and more with each patch and so far they haven't lied about what or wasn't in their upcoming patches...they communicate with their player base and WOW is the exact opposite, they no longer feel the need to listen to the player base because they are rolling around in millions and billions laughing because they know that all they have to do is rename some NPC's and add a few quests and sell it for 40 or 50 dollars and suckers er I mean people will buy. |
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Kyleran
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Joined: 9/13/06
A simple truth-"What people want and what is good for an mmo is not always the same thing"-mrw0lf |
12/10/08 9:31:03 AM#37
Only in the fact that I was hoping they could build a spiritual successor to DAOC, and instead chose a different (and perhaps more popular) path.
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12/10/08 9:36:02 AM#38
Originally posted by Betelguez What does that have to do with the fact you said Wintergrasp > WAR's keep overtaking?
make a fucking guess? mythic rushed their pos game - the beta was kinda fun but in the real game there was no reason whatever the fuck to defend a keep == they turned into "player versus keep NPC"-fights Nerd-rage is so funny. You make an unqualified statement, then try to support it with something completely unrelated, then get angrier when someone can't understand your completely vague and oblique point, if there was one besides bashing a game. |
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12/10/08 9:38:59 AM#39
Mythic has been going down hill since their Trials of Atlantis expansion in Dark Age of Camelot. They had a cool idea going for a while, Romans in space, Imperator, but they canned that when EA bought them. Now I'm afraid all they're going to be doing is letting DAoC die, never restarting Imperator, and working on WAR until its down to the same 1000 subs as DAoC. RvR was their strength and theres not enough of it in WAR. Way too casual friendly. Come on Mythic, make a DAoC 2, and DON'T screw it up. (kind of impossible, Mythic is the champion of killing good ideas) |
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12/10/08 9:42:23 AM#40
Originally posted by woody1974
Because they are prob WOW fanbois...WOW fanbois are worried because they haven't seen disappointment at this level until wotlk came out. I find it very funny to read the WOW forums and watch all the chaos that has unfolded since this newest flop..WAR is improving more and more with each patch and so far they haven't lied about what or wasn't in their upcoming patches...they communicate with their player base and WOW is the exact opposite, they no longer feel the need to listen to the player base because they are rolling around in millions and billions laughing because they know that all they have to do is rename some NPC's and add a few quests and sell it for 40 or 50 dollars and suckers er I mean people will buy.
Holy crap you people are morons. You seriously believe these "WOW FANBOIS" really give two shits about Warhammer? It is truly beyond me. I don't understand why people so vehemently hate/love these games and will defend them to the end by spreading what is clearly BS. And the funny thing about it is that Warhammer plays almost identical to the way WoW does, they sometimes feel like the same game. As for the topic at hand. Yeah I pretty much lost all faith in Mythic. Not because Warhammer was necessarily a bad game, I enjoyed the beta and I think most long time beta tester would agree. However, the game in general was just not even close to what it could have been. -The combat became mind bogglingly boring, especially melee classes such as the Witch Hunter who really only used a total of 4 buttons (most of the time you were just spamming one or two). -The death penalty was incredibly stupid. How do you fight a war when the enemy can just get back up in 20 seconds? -Scenarios, no need to say anything else. -And just the gameplay elements from the start. And this was brought up several times in beta, even towards the end. Many beta testers saw this from the start. I remember reading long very well written posts that brought up many of the problems that we see today. Mythic has never wanted to change fundamental gameplay elements (scenarios come to mind) because they invested too much time in building them. I hate to say it but although Mythic has done well in terms of listening to its player base. The game, as far as I am concerned, was a complete failure. Also before anyone claims I am a WoW fanbio, please check my prior posts and maybe read my signature. I've been playing Eve for the past year and half. ------------------- Brothers, we must rise. |
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12/10/08 10:05:11 AM#41
Originally posted by woody1974
Because they are prob WOW fanbois...WOW fanbois are worried because they haven't seen disappointment at this level until wotlk came out. I find it very funny to read the WOW forums and watch all the chaos that has unfolded since this newest flop..WAR is improving more and more with each patch and so far they haven't lied about what or wasn't in their upcoming patches...they communicate with their player base and WOW is the exact opposite, they no longer feel the need to listen to the player base because they are rolling around in millions and billions laughing because they know that all they have to do is rename some NPC's and add a few quests and sell it for 40 or 50 dollars and suckers er I mean people will buy. Woody, Woody....so full of....fail. WoW fanbois eh? So much for your post about everybody getting along. Also, you think that WoW no longer communicates with their playerbase? Hmm...I guess this post, encouraging discussion about deathknight changes is really just a big elaborate coverup. Oh, and take note of the dev actually posting in WoW's own official forum. A central forum where all players of the game can go and post? THAT IS SO 4 YEARS AGO!!!
"The WoW forums are and have always been, the true heartbeat of the game. Having said that... RIP wow. You had a good run." - MAnalog 10/13/10 So WoW is dead? |
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12/10/08 11:13:41 AM#42
Originally posted by woody1974
Because they are prob WOW fanbois...WOW fanbois are worried because they haven't seen disappointment at this level until wotlk came out. I find it very funny to read the WOW forums and watch all the chaos that has unfolded since this newest flop..WAR is improving more and more with each patch and so far they haven't lied about what or wasn't in their upcoming patches...they communicate with their player base and WOW is the exact opposite, they no longer feel the need to listen to the player base because they are rolling around in millions and billions laughing because they know that all they have to do is rename some NPC's and add a few quests and sell it for 40 or 50 dollars and suckers er I mean people will buy.
There is plenty of communication in both games from developers. The only difference is one game is delivering and the other is promising to fix the core essential vital mechanics of the game sometime in the future with little to no details about how. My guess is they are just going to overload the game with gear to grind for, much to they dismay of all the people who think this game isn't gear based.
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Hrica
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12/10/08 11:22:18 AM#43
Originally posted by Ixnatifual I was wondering about this too. What I've seen from MJ has only been good. Anyway I think Mythic has done an exemplary job so far, so I can only say my faith has strengthened. One of the best launches in MMO history, relatively low amount of bugs (simliar to WoW's level when it launched) and an impressive amount of content at all tiers, even at end game where pretty much all MMOs usually start running out of things to do. The game continues to get noticeable better as well. All in all a very promising start, and giving how progress is being made, the future is looking bright.
I think the trolls here have to find another target besides Smed Warhammer is doing just fine despite the whinny kids here that must bash the game because its not WoW and they have nothing but time on their hands sitting in front of montior. |
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12/10/08 1:13:20 PM#44
"-And just the gameplay elements from the start. And this was brought up several times in beta, even towards the end. Many beta testers saw this from the start. I remember reading long very well written posts that brought up many of the problems that we see today. Mythic has never wanted to change fundamental gameplay elements (scenarios come to mind) because they invested too much time in building them. I hate to say it but although Mythic has done well in terms of listening to its player base. The game, as far as I am concerned, was a complete failure."
What were the elements they were discussing? I'm merely curious... not calling into question what you said. Back in EvE. Started with BatMUD. Main MMOs have been EvE and DAoC. |
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12/10/08 2:52:35 PM#45
Originally posted by APRAurore
I can't think of too many specifics. I know tactics and morale was debated several times. Morale was a big one just because it was so overpowered early on. Linear gameplay elements were also hot topics, like the way each career progressed (it still is horribly linear). Some people complained about the "stuck on rails" the game took. Of course there were a whole lot of comparisons to World of Warcraft. The early beta forums were not nearly as structured as the the later ones (after that 2 month break). Personally I think that was a problem. It avoided problems that we see now. Beta was also extremely fun. I think it had to do with the fact that most beta tester spent most of their time taking keeps and battlefield objectives. ------------------- Brothers, we must rise. |
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12/10/08 2:56:34 PM#46
Still playing WAR in favor of other MMORPGs and enjoying the game. I also like the interaction Mythic is still providing with the community. I don't see any vast inaccuracies in what Mythic said they were trying to do during development and what they delivered. What I do see are people who did not research the game and were expecting something it was never meant to be ('PvP without limits!' etc) That's not to say there are features and mechanics that still need work or implementation. But I see Mythic putting out patches with stuff like dropped classes and features like player statues, so I'm still staying with the game. This game isn't for everyone, but I'm just glad I have more choices now.
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12/11/08 3:14:57 PM#47
Though I do like WAR, I also see where those people are coming from. I found that there was a strange sort of contradiction in WAR: the gameworld is entirely too huge but also too small at the same time: the actual surface area of the different zones is huge, but what is in them is small if you see what I mean. The game does lack a certain amount of content. Making the PvP and RvR linear is an even bigger problem in my view than making linear PvE. I enjoy the PvP and RvR to an extent but after a time it grows a bit boring, especially if I feel that I have to 'grind' for something. This was a negative experience I had in DAoC too. I guess I still hold the 'old fashioned' view that PvP should be just for PvP's sake: the desire to gain a challenge from playing against another player. I don't understand why there always has to be a carrot at the end of the stick for everything you do in more recent MMOs. Back in EvE. Started with BatMUD. Main MMOs have been EvE and DAoC. |
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Originally posted by SignusM
I agree, making the game solely for instant gratification content for lazy casual gamers is what ruined WAR.
WAR is proof of what marketing to a lazy impatient large subscriber base will get you.
Lazy impatient casual gamers need to leave MMO's alone.
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12/13/08 4:31:46 PM#49
wow...you guys crack me up
casual gamers = lame?
games are meant to be casual experiences....get a life "This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....." |
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Originally posted by Gestankfaust
They should start charging us by the hour if that is the case. |
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