But it and the other things are not needed for gameplay, I fully understand that people want all the new bling and it was something the BM community wanted. They can still get it for free if they wait for the free card, or buy it from someone else with ingame credits. Or they can throw money away in the hopes of getting one by buying packs.

I still have never paid for any cards, the vast majority of people don't but there are some people who do.

Originally posted by Gutboy

But it and the other things are not needed for gameplay, I fully understand that people want all the new bling and it was something the BM community wanted. They can still get it for free if they wait for the free card, or buy it from someone else with ingame credits. Or they can throw money away in the hopes of getting one by buying packs.

I still have never paid for any cards, the vast majority of people don't but there are some people who do.

 A scout pistol is not needed for gameplay either.  In fact, no specific item, combat related or not, is needed for play.

What happens when they create another TCG 'expansion' (TDC Expansion 2: The Quest for More Cash) and discontinue the Squad of Corellia packs for distribution via the free packs?  Then the only way a BM will be able to get the barn will be to buy old booster sets from Smed's store.

Originally posted by Beatnik59

Originally posted by Gutboy

But it and the other things are not needed for gameplay, I fully understand that people want all the new bling and it was something the BM community wanted. They can still get it for free if they wait for the free card, or buy it from someone else with ingame credits. Or they can throw money away in the hopes of getting one by buying packs.

I still have never paid for any cards, the vast majority of people don't but there are some people who do.

 A scout pistol is not needed for gameplay either.  In fact, no specific item, combat related or not, is needed for play.

What happens when they create another TCG 'expansion' (TDC Expansion 2: The Quest for More Cash) and discontinue the Squad of Corellia packs for distribution via the free packs?  Then the only way a BM will be able to get the barn will be to buy old booster sets from Smed's store.

Exactly what will happen.  This RMT is just ramping up.  I would be suprised if the next round or TCG exansion is not already being worked on.  This card game would not be viable without the game hooks(loot cards)...everyone knows it and now they are setting the hook and reeling in the fishies.

Originally posted by Gutboy

But it and the other things are not needed for gameplay, I fully understand that people want all the new bling and it was something the BM community wanted. They can still get it for free if they wait for the free card, or buy it from someone else with ingame credits. Or they can throw money away in the hopes of getting one by buying packs.

I still have never paid for any cards, the vast majority of people don't but there are some people who do.

I don't understand how someone can just 'shoo shoo' this issue under the carpet, people like yourself may not buy these cards/booster packs but RMT isn't the real issue here. It's the fact that the subscribers feel they aren't getting there moneys worth and it's starting to look like the subscription they are paying is going into the development of a bolt on mini game rather than the game they love...  they were told this would not happen and that development of the card game would not effect the development of SWG. It is affecting the development of SWG to the point of using Austins staff and resources to create the in-game models of  the so called prizes.

( Including ideas forwarded to the Austin developers from the player base meant for SWG not the card game )

The player base has spoken ,  they are not happy, they are not a vocal minority, they want change.

A great disturbance in the Force, as if thousands of voices cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced................again.

Why should anyone have expected anything but this out of SOE?  No player base in the history of gaming have been lied to, cheated, and outright stolen from than the SWG one.  The same management (Smed) who pulled off the "CU is here to stay" TOOW expansion, NGE bait and switch is still in charge.

When they added the Galactic Scavenger Hunt, ANYTHING new added ceased to be added, but required you to engage in collections.  People complained, SOE didn't listen.

Why should it surprise anyone that once they added RMT to the game, in the form of the TCG, that you'd start to see anything new and desirable to start coming in via that instead of even the boring scavenger hunts?

Seems that Smed's solution to the collapsed subscriber base of the NGE is to bleed those who are left white.

For the first time we are seeing widespread resistance to this.  What will SOE do?  I suspect they will do what they always do:  send complaints down the post deletion memory hole, mass bannings, etc, followed by "mass" (do they have enough subs left to be able to have a mass loss?) subscription loss, followed by a "we're sorry we failed at communication, we promise to communicate better in the future" post sometime after they realize this blunder cost them more money than they'd gain.

I mean, how many times have we seen the EXACT same reaction by SOE to any of their bonehead moves?

The lone exception was the undoing of the XP nerf in the late CU.  And they only did THAT, IMHO, because they needed us to all buy the expansion before kicking us out the door for the"target audience" when the NGE came.  Note that the exact group XP nerf was unapologetically put into the NGE system and remains there today...

I bet you half of the Squadrons over Corellia loot hasn't even been finished and ready for the game yet.  They'll just include the item cards when they get the stuff to work.

I understand the tiger analogy.  It's hard to watch the tiger say things (yes it's a talking tiger 0_o) like, "I've learned my lesson, I won't bite anyone anymore, come closer, I'm actually a lot of fun, that's it, reach out your hand...."  Then oops, there goes another arm.  You hope people have changed, learned their lessons etc., but if you trust them, and they haven't, yeah, you get bit.

I won't criticize other players.  Hey, I trusted SOE once too, and it took more than one kick in the groin to show me that my trust was misplaced.  If I remember correctly it took about 4 :P.

Actually dealing with SOE reminds me of the little gingerbread man story.  Anyone else remember that one?  I guess in this version your visa card is the gingerbread man, and Smed's the fox.

Oh dear, the playerbase asks for something and SOE finally puts it out only to want you to PAY for it? Sad. Looks like SOE is starting the conversion to RMT.

Originally posted by Gutboy

Why would the TCG cost the company sub's? You still get 5 free booster packs per month for a free shot at any new loot. The new loot does not give any advantage to a player over another, it's all bling.

For those who think the new beast master "barn" is an advantage, all it does is give the BM the ability to offload up to 40 pets and have them run around in the building. There is no advantage to crafting or mutation from the building.

For someone who want's the new bling "now" they can also trade ingame credits to someone selling a loot card.

I look at the loot card situation as the same as buying passage on a cruise ship, if you want to pay $999.00 for a inside cabin you can if you want to spend $3500.00 for a suite and get better room service, and other stuff then pay for it. You get what you pay for,

 

Bad analogy. Paying for a cabin guarantees something. Paying for a boosterpack doesnt guarantee a lootcard. It guarantees a CHANCE to obtain something, aka gambling.

Furthermore, the barn is a new gamefeature exclusively obtained through lootcards. It isnt an upgrade to something (relating to your crap analogy cruise cabins).

Paying with ingame credits for a lootcard simply means that someone else gambled to get it (lootcards from the free boosterpacks are not tradable).

The first TCG set lootcards only offered new options to already excisting gamefeatures (vendorskin, vehicleskin etc). The barn and diner are new gamefeatures exclusively available through TCG lootcards. This is the difference that the players are upset about.

First MMO Ive seen that promotes gambling. Buying boosterpacks to get lootcards is like buying scratchcards to win something.

Originally posted by someforumguy

Originally posted by Gutboy

Why would the TCG cost the company sub's? You still get 5 free booster packs per month for a free shot at any new loot. The new loot does not give any advantage to a player over another, it's all bling.

For those who think the new beast master "barn" is an advantage, all it does is give the BM the ability to offload up to 40 pets and have them run around in the building. There is no advantage to crafting or mutation from the building.

For someone who want's the new bling "now" they can also trade ingame credits to someone selling a loot card.

I look at the loot card situation as the same as buying passage on a cruise ship, if you want to pay $999.00 for a inside cabin you can if you want to spend $3500.00 for a suite and get better room service, and other stuff then pay for it. You get what you pay for,

 

 

Bad analogy. Paying for a cabin guarantees something. Paying for a boosterpack doesnt guarantee a lootcard. It guarantees a CHANCE to obtain something, aka gambling.

Furthermore, the barn is a new gamefeature exclusively obtained through lootcards. It isnt an upgrade to something (relating to your crap analogy cruise cabins).

Paying with ingame credits for a lootcard simply means that someone else gambled to get it (lootcards from the free boosterpacks are not tradable).

The first TCG set lootcards only offered new options to already excisting gamefeatures (vendorskin, vehicleskin etc). The barn and diner are new gamefeatures exclusively available through TCG lootcards. This is the difference that the players are upset about.

First MMO Ive seen that promotes gambling. Buying boosterpacks to get lootcards is like buying scratchcards to win something.

 

Like anything that's advertised as "free," it's important to read the fine print.  SWG is not free to play.  So, in order to get the "free" cards you have to pay a subscription.  If the cards were indeed "free," they would be given to players for "free" in a "free-to-play" game.  This just isn't the case in SWG.  Money must change hands for you to get a chance at the loot.  Even more money must change hands if you want to slightly increase your chance of getting the loot you want. 

The chances of getting the loot card you want as part of your subscription fee are slim, and not independently verified.  You'll never really know what the actual odds are, as the game stands now.  As time passes, and you pay your subscription hoping that something specific will drop, you will be more and more inclined to gamble real money to increase your chances of winning, and decrease your wait time.  Of course, you still don't know the odds, and they could be manipulated at any time outside of your awareness.

It's also been suggested that you can pay ingame currency for the loot items.  This is only the case if someone has already gambled for them and won.  The cards you get as part of your subscription cannot be bought or sold for ingame credits.  Yes, SOE has covered all the angles.

What's more disturbing is that it seems they've been listening to their current players for ideas on prizes for the gambling game.  Players thought that they were making suggestions for ingame content that they would receive as part of their subscription.  Remember, unlike most other games with an RMT component, SWG is not free-to-play.  Instead of getting enjoyable new content in line with their feedback, they get a random chance at loot cards, and they have to gamble to try to increase their chances of getting one any time soon. 

Originally posted by sookster54

Oh dear, the playerbase asks for something and SOE finally puts it out only to want you to PAY for it? Sad. Looks like SOE is starting the conversion to RMT.

Its even worse then RMT. RMT guarantees you the item. The TCG only lets you gamble for it.

Originally posted by raizzeen

if they realy wanna make some money the should just pull up there old swg files and make a classic server and theyl start making millions of millions dollars again simple as that i dont understand why a company wouldint want to make money

Where would SWG be if SOE stuck to the Pre-CU system, fixed the bugs, and added content / expansion packs?

Far better place than where the title stands now, IMO.  I'm not saying WoW numbers, but there'd be a pretty decent population still.  Even better if it retained the very tight knit player community of the Pre-NGE days.

Originally posted by Gutboy

Why would the TCG cost the company sub's? You still get 5 free booster packs per month for a free shot at any new loot. The new loot does not give any advantage to a player over another, it's all bling.

For those who think the new beast master "barn" is an advantage, all it does is give the BM the ability to offload up to 40 pets and have them run around in the building. There is no advantage to crafting or mutation from the building.

For someone who want's the new bling "now" they can also trade ingame credits to someone selling a loot card.

I look at the loot card situation as the same as buying passage on a cruise ship, if you want to pay $999.00 for a inside cabin you can if you want to spend $3500.00 for a suite and get better room service, and other stuff then pay for it. You get what you pay for,

 

Wow, just wow.  Is there nothing you can see for what it is?  I just knew some fan would come here saying how this wasn't a bad thing and cover it up with some terrible analogy.

This card scam isn't made to give premium service to 1st class passengers.  It is designed to introduce and ease players into paying additional and unrestricted amounts of money for additional content.  There is no other reason, there is no way to justify this.  The content that you once got for free through game updates is slowly being taken away and reintroduced to those who chose to pay extra money.  It doesn't make it any better if you buy it with credits, because someone still payed for it. 

Stop pretending this is not leading to something worse.  It will and we all know it will, including you.  As much as I hate putting words in others mouths, no one can be so blind as to not see it. 

SWG is the test bed, because Sony knows no matter what they do the game is effectively dead.  No one is coming back, no new players are going to swell the ranks, it is over and has been for years.   The SWG player is a non factor in the future of this company other than gaining some statistics and testing what the comany can get away with.

Imagine just for one second if they put a special card in the booster packs that gave you access to hoth and without it you could not get there.  Would it still be ok if they gave you 5 free packs for a chance to get it?

Just how much game content has to be taken from the free game updates and put into real money transaction cards before you people finally take notice?  When will enough be enough and you stand up against this kind of behavior instead of continually apologizing for SOE and make excuses?    Is there any justifyable reason SOE should do this after all the crap they have put the SWG player through?

If you ask me, they should put a message on the loging screen everyday kissing your ass and apologizing for what has happened to the game.  We all have differing standards though I guess.

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by Gutboy

Why would the TCG cost the company sub's? You still get 5 free booster packs per month for a free shot at any new loot. The new loot does not give any advantage to a player over another, it's all bling.

For those who think the new beast master "barn" is an advantage, all it does is give the BM the ability to offload up to 40 pets and have them run around in the building. There is no advantage to crafting or mutation from the building.

For someone who want's the new bling "now" they can also trade ingame credits to someone selling a loot card.

I look at the loot card situation as the same as buying passage on a cruise ship, if you want to pay $999.00 for a inside cabin you can if you want to spend $3500.00 for a suite and get better room service, and other stuff then pay for it. You get what you pay for,

 

Wow, just wow.  Is there nothing you can see for what it is?  I just knew some fan would come here saying how this wasn't a bad thing and cover it up with some terrible analogy.

 

This card scam isn't made to give premium service to 1st class passengers.  It is designed to introduce and ease players into paying additional and unrestricted amounts of money for additional content.  There is no other reason, there is no way to justify this.  The content that you once got for free through game updates is slowly being taken away and reintroduced to those who chose to pay extra money.  It doesn't make it any better if you buy it with credits, because someone still payed for it. 

 

Stop pretending this is not leading to something worse.  It will and we all know it will, including you.  As much as I hate putting words in others mouths, no one can be so blind as to not see it. 

 

SWG is the test bed, because Sony knows no matter what they do the game is effectively dead.  No one is coming back, no new players are going to swell the ranks, it is over and has been for years.   The SWG player is a non factor in the future of this company other than gaining some statistics and testing what the comany can get away with.

 

Imagine just for one second if they put a special card in the booster packs that gave you access to hoth and without it you could not get there.  Would it still be ok if they gave you 5 free packs for a chance to get it?

 

Just how much game content has to be taken from the free game updates and put into real money transaction cards before you people finally take notice?  When will enough be enough and you stand up against this kind of behavior instead of continually apologizing for SOE and make excuses?    Is there any justifyable reason SOE should do this after all the crap they have put the SWG player through?

 

If you ask me, they should put a message on the loging screen everyday kissing your ass and apologizing for what has happened to the game.  We all have differing standards though I guess.

 

 

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Here's Smed's inspiration for this hilarious turn of events for SWG.

SOE has ambitions elsewhere, just not in SWG.  SWG, IMO, is their "testbed" for the Free-To-Play model used in several MMOs, particularly those from Asia.

The key thing with the model is this.  Free to play the regular version, but the higher end stuff / areas can only be accessed with $$$.

So there you have it.  I'm not quite fond of the Free-To-Play model after seeing it for myself in Sword of the New World / Granado Espada.

Companies that chase profits first and run their business second always end up in decline. Greed has run deep in the Corporate world these days. There is one good example though that other CEO's of the world should sit up and take note.

  The CEO for Japanese airlines gave himself a pay cut of 90 thousand us dollars. His pilots get payed more than he does. He lines up in the cantina with all the other workers of the company for lunch. Would you ever see a CEO on an An American Cooperation taking such measures for their company and workers for the rough times we're in? No, they'll keep on stuffing their pockets with money unwilling to make sacrifices to their luxury lifestyle and would rather lay off worker who have a family to look after. Smed chases profits before good business and would rather layoff than sacrifice that's for sure.

"We are unhappy about everything in this game.  However we are too stupid to hit a cancel button."

They deserve what they get and I hope ALL new worthwhile items are TCG loot cause I like seeing dumb ppl suffer.

Originally posted by royalewit

"We are unhappy about everything in this game.  However we are too stupid to hit a cancel button."

They deserve what they get and I hope ALL new worthwhile items are TCG loot cause I like seeing dumb ppl suffer.

Quite frankly, I completely agree with you.  Given SOE's history, I don't understand why the current customers think what happened before won't happen to them.  It is the same from players of every SOE game, when the finally get screwed by SOE, they seem shocked and surprised.  A handful quit and the rest rationalize it, rinse, repeat.

Even mice eventually learn to avoid the electric shocks, SOE customers, not so much.

SOE WILL screw you over as a customer.  It's not a matter of if they will do it, it's a matter of WHEN.

SOE has probably churned through more MMO playing customers over the years than anyone but Blizzard and not kept 9/10ths of them because of their shady business.

Originally posted by royalewit

"We are unhappy about everything in this game.  However we are too stupid to hit a cancel button."

They deserve what they get and I hope ALL new worthwhile items are TCG loot cause I like seeing dumb ppl suffer.

Oh the delicious irony

If other former disgruntled players are anything to go by, they'll wake up in 18 months and spew forth a never ending mountain of complaints

Been saying this would happen since the start of tcg, only too pleased to see it happen.

oh to obk dont report me again please im sick of getting temp bans, due to you, lil snake.

Originally posted by ArcAngel3

Of course, you still don't know the odds, and they could be manipulated at any time outside of your awareness.

Bingo

Originally posted by Suvroc

If this kind of outrage continues Smed will have to step in to remind everyone that they're only the vocal minority.

Funny :)

Its like Deja Vu All Over Again...

Anyone who doesn't like the way the card game is being done should just stfu and leave.  Stop being so negative.  Its soe's game, they can do whatever they want.  Move on.  No one wants to here you complain.  Let the people who are playing the game enjoy it.  etc. etc. etc.

Does that sound familiar to anyone?  I hope every major new item is released as loot through the card game.

Originally posted by Ginaz

Anyone who doesn't like the way the card game is being done should just stfu and leave.  Stop being so negative.  Its soe's game, they can do whatever they want.  Move on.  No one wants to here you complain.  Let the people who are playing the game enjoy it.  etc. etc. etc.

Does that sound familiar to anyone?  I hope every major new item is released as loot through the card game.

 

 

the only one whining about the card game are the ones who spendt 200 dollars on them and didnt get a loot card and they come here to get attention and to whine cause simply there stupid