agree 100% darkfall world and environment graphics are as good as AoC, and far better than WOW or W:AR.

Darkfall's character models are not up to AoC standard, but they're not supposed to be, they're supposed to be lean and fast, for massive battles.

Darkfall's animations are its weakest point - we can already see that Darkfall AI is going to be great -- even the lowest & dumbest mob - the goblin - fights and acts believably and certainly is not the standard just stand still auto-attack crap that every other MMO has.

Originally posted by Signe

Originally posted by daarco

Good thread OP.

But at same time i wonder. We have seen the female running anamtion many other times. And none have cared. This time we see it and the whole world goes nuts : )

The animation did however look weitd. And i wonder what made it look weird? Lack of clothes, heavy weapon, poor animation, wounded or no armour?

 

It's the ass.  The legs move but the ass doesn't.  Having obviously just suffered a wedgie probably didn't help.

I think you've found the new slogan.

Darkfall. It's the ass!

Originally posted by dirtknap69

agree 100% darkfall world and environment graphics are as good as AoC, and far better than WOW or W:AR.

 

Darkfall's character models are not up to AoC standard, but they're not supposed to be, they're supposed to be lean and fast, for massive battles.

 

Darkfall's animations are its weakest point - we can already see that Darkfall AI is going to be great -- even the lowest & dumbest mob - the goblin - fights and acts believably and certainly is not the standard just stand still auto-attack crap that every other MMO has.

If you honestly can't tell the difference between the AoC environments and those of Darkfall then I suppose you're lucky, since you're far more likely to enjoy DF than most.

As for "...we can already see that Darkfall AI is going to be great..." I have to wonder where the hell you get that from. You've seen one minute of footage of a lone player chasing a lone goblin who is running away, and from this you infer a great AI?! Or maybe it's from all those suspiciously positive "legitimate beta reports from actual testers" that sounded like they were written by Aventurine's AI testing bots... reports that once again only seem to talk about goblins. Perhaps goblins are all they have?

Originally posted by Blodpls

Originally posted by Thunderous

Animations can impact frame-rate.  More than that I just believe that the mere difficutly and resources required to accomplish FPS combat with good animations is too much for a small company to accomplish.

A lot of major developers take the easy way out and use cheap animations to save time and resources. 

The Darkfall graphics are fine.  The animations are less than stellar.  All in all I think people will play this game for the freedom not the eyecandy.  I'm actually impressed that the graphics are as solid as they are.  I think I can live with the animations.  Won't know until we play it.

 

I think the animations could be more realistic but in a 100v100 battle imagine how much difference just having animated hair would make to the amount of calculations your graphics card is making.  Considering what benefit you get it would be an obscene waste imo.

Im a fanboi but the animations ARE BAD! ARE BAD! Adding more frames will cause lag, not editing the frames themselves.

If all the bugs are gone i would suggest to the devs to revamp the animations ground up, but yeah, the animations seem much more palatable than the 08 17min video, where the animations didn't just look funny, they were downright ugly.

EDIT: above poster you must be retarded to think DF won't have the best AI ever seen in an MMO

I think many people fail to realize that this game is not hyped. It is not hyped, whatsoever. The only 'hype' it receives are from interested fans discussing features of the game, then a troll or negative fanatic will come in and boast that nobody knows what they are talking about, thus the so-called hype is played out.

There has not been much interest in the graphics of this game, even since its conception way back when. Though personally I find the graphics/animation more than satisfactory. The 'big interest' if you will, is from the semi-revolutionary features Darkfall is going to bring to us.

I could give a crap if the animations don't stand up to Asheron's Call 2 or Age of Conan, I like neither of those games at all, and their animations are just fine. Which brings me to my next point.. I'll play the game regardless of the animation.

Originally posted by aeroplane22

I think many people fail to realize that this game is not hyped. It is not hyped, whatsoever. The only 'hype' it receives are from interested fans discussing features of the game, then a troll or negative fanatic will come in and boast that nobody knows what they are talking about, thus the so-called hype is played out.

There has not been much interest in the graphics of this game, even since its conception way back when. Though personally I find the graphics/animation more than satisfactory. The 'big interest' if you will, is from the semi-revolutionary features Darkfall is going to bring to us.

I could give a crap if the animations don't stand up to Asheron's Call 2 or Age of Conan, I like neither of those games at all, and their animations are just fine. Which brings me to my next point.. I'll play the game regardless of the animation.

same ive played worse

I tought we all already learned that it is game content and not graphics that make a game, AOC anyone?

Nothing in the Darkfall trailers or screenshots has made me freak out at how good they look.  I won't say AC2 had better graphics but comparable yes.  AC2's animations were great, the Tumerok's tail moving while he ran, the clothes moving as you ran, not to mention the environment.  However this is not about AC2 it is about Darkfall and from what I have seen for Darkfall it looks like it is optimized for mass battles, so I can understand the animations being a bit weak.  When it comes to the best graphics in an MMO I would have to say nothing has touched LOTRO as of yet.  Some have come close but sitting at max rez with dx10 looking down a path with trees over head that move and the shadows all move, or to watch the wind move the poppies in a field that your in, and my favorite just watching a lake to see the animation of the water.  Besides animations can be beefed up later if they want to when the tech allows for the scales they are looking for.

Only my 2 cents, either way I can't wait to try out Darkfall.

Originally posted by enLS

Originally posted by shadenis

the graphics of DFO are good people.

 

For the year 2000 maybe.

They are not good. They're mediocre crap at best.

Take a look at Asheron's Call 2. That game was released in 2002 and makes the graphics in that latest video of this game look like a fucking high schooler built it using Torque engine.

What's your point?

AC2 has undisputedly better graphic's than WAR, and frogger on my Atari 2600 has far better graphics than WOW.

Two of the best games I have ever played are UO and Tibia. The latter didn't even have sound or real animations - but IMO it had great gameplay, skill based progression, sandbox world, ffa and full loot... and I played it for 10 times longer than any 'next gen' MMO.

If graphics are your sole concern have fun playing AOC

What's your point?

AC2 has undisputedly better graphic's than WAR, and frogger on my Atari 2600 has far better graphics than WOW.

Two of the best games I have ever played are UO and Tibia. The latter didn't even have sound or real animations - but IMO it had great gameplay, skill based progression, sandbox world, ffa and full loot... and I played it for 10 times longer than any 'next gen' MMO.

If graphics are your sole concern have fun playing AOC

Hahah@ Frogger.

Too funny.

I agree the animations are pretty poor but I'll definitely try Darkfall. I think some of the art direction sucks, some of it is nice. The shading/foliage and some of the other things are definitely not dated. Please educate yourselves about lighting and then view one of the videos. It is far more modern than most  MMOs out there.

Ultimately, that's not what is going to make the game good. And also, it has not been released yet. Actually playing the game sort of helps when forming an opinion! The concepts interest me. See you guys there if/when it launches.

If you care so much about graphics, then go back to AoC and STFU.

well to tell you the truth I have to disagree with the creator of this thread.  I think the animations in darkfall do suck, but same with the graphics.  They are way behind compared to todays standards, even WoW looks 10x better then darkfall's.  But graphics and animations don't matter, at least at first, its all about the gameplay.  If it turns out to be amazing then I know i'm going to love the game.  Gameplay over graphics anyday.

Originally posted by aeroplane22

I think many people fail to realize that this game is not hyped. It is not hyped, whatsoever. The only 'hype' it receives are from interested fans discussing features of the game, then a troll or negative fanatic will come in and boast that nobody knows what they are talking about, thus the so-called hype is played out.

There has not been much interest in the graphics of this game, even since its conception way back when. Though personally I find the graphics/animation more than satisfactory. The 'big interest' if you will, is from the semi-revolutionary features Darkfall is going to bring to us.

I could give a crap if the animations don't stand up to Asheron's Call 2 or Age of Conan, I like neither of those games at all, and their animations are just fine. Which brings me to my next point.. I'll play the game regardless of the animation.

Amen,  I don't care what anyone says about the graphics as long as they are decent.  I'm looking for substance over eye candy. In the long run thats  what will keep me resubing.

Originally posted by Bombay1361

well to tell you the truth I have to disagree with the creator of this thread.  I think the animations in darkfall do suck, but same with the graphics.  They are way behind compared to todays standards, even WoW looks 10x better then darkfall's. WHAT THE F#CK ARE YOU SMOKING, it must be amazing, let me try some. But graphics and animations don't matter, at least at first, its all about the gameplay.  If it turns out to be amazing then I know i'm going to love the game.  Gameplay over graphics anyday. this on paper sounds like a good argument and thus is stated several million times, but graphics do matter in a game that marries graphics and gameplay like darkfall, for example there is no radar and thus you must rely on the graphics to find other players/enemies. However the non-animation graphics are more than fine so there's no problem in this category :P.

Originally posted by aeroplane22

I think many people fail to realize that this game is not hyped. It is not hyped, whatsoever. The only 'hype' it receives are from interested fans discussing features of the game, then a troll or negative fanatic will come in and boast that nobody knows what they are talking about, thus the so-called hype is played out.

There has not been much interest in the graphics of this game, even since its conception way back when. Though personally I find the graphics/animation more than satisfactory. The 'big interest' if you will, is from the semi-revolutionary features Darkfall is going to bring to us.

I could give a crap if the animations don't stand up to Asheron's Call 2 or Age of Conan, I like neither of those games at all, and their animations are just fine. Which brings me to my next point.. I'll play the game regardless of the animation.

Why does everyone think that the only possibility to "hype" a game is to put it in a million ads, put up ridiculous amounts of trailers and screens and whatnot and publish it through all media possible?

There are different ways to hype a game and Tasos has been Hyping up DF ever since they started developing it. What else do you call his Developer Journals where he decrees Darkfall the best of the best in every aspect possible? The largest world, the best AI, the most freedom to do what you want, thousands of skills/spells, superior performance etc. etc.?

Is that not "hyping"? Especially when the fans swallow it whole and present it as fact to their fellow gamers? Seriously people, just because DF did not invest in massive PR does not mean that the game is not hyped.

As for the rest. It's ridiculous how these threads crop up again and again. There's some people out there who would play DF even if it was a MUD. Other people won't. It's a matter of taste. And not caring about graphics does not make you a "better" gamer by the way, as many people seem to think. Nor does caring about graphics. Get a grip...sheesh.

Originally posted by singsofdeath 

 Is that not "hyping"?

I would say no as the only way you would be reading it is if you specially looked it up.

Originally posted by rvjones10 

   I'm looking for substance over eye candy. In the long run thats  what will keep me resubing.

did that last vid give you enough "substance"?

It looked like a fucking Alpha after 2 months of work.

Originally posted by enLS

did that last vid give you enough "substance"?

It looked like a fucking Alpha after 2 months of work.

Go die, please.

Originally posted by singsofdeath

Originally posted by aeroplane22

I think many people fail to realize that this game is not hyped. It is not hyped, whatsoever. The only 'hype' it receives are from interested fans discussing features of the game, then a troll or negative fanatic will come in and boast that nobody knows what they are talking about, thus the so-called hype is played out.

There has not been much interest in the graphics of this game, even since its conception way back when. Though personally I find the graphics/animation more than satisfactory. The 'big interest' if you will, is from the semi-revolutionary features Darkfall is going to bring to us.

I could give a crap if the animations don't stand up to Asheron's Call 2 or Age of Conan, I like neither of those games at all, and their animations are just fine. Which brings me to my next point.. I'll play the game regardless of the animation.

 

Why does everyone think that the only possibility to "hype" a game is to put it in a million ads, put up ridiculous amounts of trailers and screens and whatnot and publish it through all media possible?

 

There are different ways to hype a game and Tasos has been Hyping up DF ever since they started developing it. What else do you call his Developer Journals where he decrees Darkfall the best of the best in every aspect possible? The largest world, the best AI, the most freedom to do what you want, thousands of skills/spells, superior performance etc. etc.?

 

Is that not "hyping"? Especially when the fans swallow it whole and present it as fact to their fellow gamers? Seriously people, just because DF did not invest in massive PR does not mean that the game is not hyped.

 

As for the rest. It's ridiculous how these threads crop up again and again. There's some people out there who would play DF even if it was a MUD. Other people won't. It's a matter of taste. And not caring about graphics does not make you a "better" gamer by the way, as many people seem to think. Nor does caring about graphics. Get a grip...sheesh.

I don't think that anyone said that they haven't hyped it at all.

What we're saying is that it isn't overhyped. they've been working (ok, I'll give you the razorwax years too) for 7 years in public, 7 years. Do you really want to compare the interviews and other stuff that the developers of other MMOs have given over their own development cycles, which admitedly would be smaller than DFs one?

EDIT: Meh, sorry, just realised what you were quoting. Yup, DF has been hyped by Ave, not to the extend of other games though.

Originally posted by Greek_Matt

Originally posted by dirtknap69

agree 100% darkfall world and environment graphics are as good as AoC, and far better than WOW or W:AR.

 

Darkfall's character models are not up to AoC standard, but they're not supposed to be, they're supposed to be lean and fast, for massive battles.

 

Darkfall's animations are its weakest point - we can already see that Darkfall AI is going to be great -- even the lowest & dumbest mob - the goblin - fights and acts believably and certainly is not the standard just stand still auto-attack crap that every other MMO has.

If you honestly can't tell the difference between the AoC environments and those of Darkfall then I suppose you're lucky, since you're far more likely to enjoy DF than most.

As for "...we can already see that Darkfall AI is going to be great..." I have to wonder where the hell you get that from. You've seen one minute of footage of a lone player chasing a lone goblin who is running away, and from this you infer a great AI?! Or maybe it's from all those suspiciously positive "legitimate beta reports from actual testers" that sounded like they were written by Aventurine's AI testing bots... reports that once again only seem to talk about goblins. Perhaps goblins are all they have?

you should try watching some of the other vids that are out there so you don't come off so uninformed,

Originally posted by enLS

Originally posted by dirtknap69

Originally posted by Greek_Matt

Originally posted by dirtknap69

agree 100% darkfall world and environment graphics are as good as AoC, and far better than WOW or W:AR.

 

As good as Aoc?

This has to be the funniest, most delusional shit I've read all month.

Here's a little reality check for you.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/33900.html

 And no.. it doesn't look better than Warhammer or WoW either.

http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=XX4jLw5oM1c

That last video they showed looks like it was built by a bunch of amateurs just learning how to model and animate. It was horrible and no where near standard professional grade stuff.

I agree with you on most of this.

I agree that those think the enviroments are as good as AoC are  I mean anyone thats actualy seen the two can see that DF outshines AOC in that area.

Char models are not that much better than War and the animations are  mediocre.

Your WoW comment though one is only left with the assumtion you haven't seen the SS's and the other recent videos. I would recomend starting with the 17 min in game footage vid, downloaded version not yourube then watch the ADW Vid check the screenshots out and then try and make comparisons. It's obvious you haven't seen the other videos or screenshots, I mean if you had surely the 17min game footage vid would have been the one you used for comparison.

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

I agree with you on most of this.

I agree that those think the enviroments are as good as AoC are  I mean anyone thats actualy seen the two can see that DF outshines AOC in that area.

Char models are not that much better than War and the animations are  mediocre.

Your WoW comment though one is only left with the assumtion you haven't seen the SS's and the other recent videos. I would recomend starting with the 17 min in game footage vid, downloaded version not yourube then watch the ADW Vid check the screenshots out and then try and make comparisons. It's obvious you haven't seen the other videos or screenshots, I mean if you had surely the 17min game footage vid would have been the one you used for comparison.

you must be new here. the guy you replied to is a dedicated darkfall troll who gets banned every 2 weeks and comes back with a different nickname. hilarious but true, everyone who knows this forum just ignores/filters him out.

i agree with you that DF's environment graphics are generally as good as or better than AoC

How to; Create a nice environment.
Put a lot of work in it! DF has been worked on for 7 years, they've had plenty of time to make it beautiful, even with dated models. Every single detail just looks right. Just look at the grass/flowers, it's probably one of the first MMO's where I actually seen them doing it right. Guild wars came close, but didn't use it that much to keep the performance high. Lotro tried it, and failed at it. But it looks like Darkfall really nailed it. The trees look a bit off though, but they might've changed that already. 

As for the player models and animations, Guild Wars is still my favourite in that. The player models look awesome, and after 4 years, they're still my favourite. Just the fact that there aren't that many glowy items around gives the characters a good feel. And if you're able to get no-lifers horny by just running around like a naked female characters, the character models must look realistic... :D 

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Your WoW comment though one is only left with the assumtion you haven't seen the SS's and the other recent videos.

I've seen them all and they are not as good as WoW level design and graphics. Even though WoW uses low poly models the quality of work is much better... and animations.. and pretty much everything else.

I would recomend starting with the 17 min in game footage vid

I did and it's the same bullshit as this latest italian crappy video. Some models running around in an outdated game world with bad animations..

enLS, your avatar remembers me of "Anger Manegement" movie.

And by that I can understand why you act like this on these forums ;)