Originally posted by Sharajat

Originally posted by Timberwolf0

I have no objection to this limitation provided the monthly fees are reduced by some amount proportional to the time reduced.

Quick question - have you ever played 300 hours in one month?

 

Only thing this will do is discourage botters. 

BTW, done for Korean legal reasons.

Quick answer - it doesn't matter. 

Allowing companies to put limitations on things like this is the beginning of a slippery slope.  The whole "unhealthy to set in front of a computer" argument is crap.  Companies are in business to make money -- not play nursemaid to obsessive gamers.  And I seriously doubt anyone on these forums truely gives flying **** how much their fellow gamers play and whether or not they're "healthy."  Get real.

Today it's a limitation on play time, maybe tomorrow they'll just charge by the hour.  Who knows?  Will you all be licking their boots then?  It's funny how quickly people are willing to let a company think for them.

Originally posted by Deathstrike2

Originally posted by Sharajat

Originally posted by Timberwolf0

I have no objection to this limitation provided the monthly fees are reduced by some amount proportional to the time reduced.

Quick question - have you ever played 300 hours in one month?

 

Only thing this will do is discourage botters. 

BTW, done for Korean legal reasons.

 

Quick answer - it doesn't matter. 

Allowing companies to put limitations on things like this is the beginning of a slippery slope.  The whole "unhealthy to set in front of a computer" argument is crap.  Companies are in business to make money -- not play nursemaid to obsessive gamers.  And I seriously doubt anyone on these forums truely gives flying **** how much their fellow gamers play and whether or not they're "healthy."  Get real.

Today it's a limitation on play time, maybe tomorrow they'll just charge by the hour.  Who knows?  Will you all be licking their boots then?  It's funny how quickly people are willing to let a company think for them.

Well said. And let me chime in by saying "I'll worry about my own goddamn health, thank you very much."

Originally posted by Deathstrike2

Originally posted by Sharajat

Originally posted by Timberwolf0

I have no objection to this limitation provided the monthly fees are reduced by some amount proportional to the time reduced.

Quick question - have you ever played 300 hours in one month?

 

Only thing this will do is discourage botters. 

BTW, done for Korean legal reasons.

 

Quick answer - it doesn't matter. 

Allowing companies to put limitations on things like this is the beginning of a slippery slope.  The whole "unhealthy to set in front of a computer" argument is crap.  Companies are in business to make money -- not play nursemaid to obsessive gamers.  And I seriously doubt anyone on these forums truely gives flying **** how much their fellow gamers play and whether or not they're "healthy."  Get real.

Today it's a limitation on play time, maybe tomorrow they'll just charge by the hour.  Who knows?  Will you all be licking their boots then?  It's funny how quickly people are willing to let a company think for them.

"ALLOWING COMPANIES TO PUT LIMITATIONS"

ahahahahaha yea right, like there gonna go and screw themselfs over like that. for no good reason.

A company will and do anything to make money.

Go back and edit it to say this: "Allowing Goverments to put limitations"

BTW: I would not mind the 300 limit. Only god dam botters and gold farmers cry about that shit.

quoted the wrong post.

First off i apologise for not reading the entire thread.

I'd just like to say that why is a time limit of 300 hours a month such a big deal? i've just calculated that their are on average 364 hours a month going purely by the 12 daytime hours and not including the 12 night time hours.  so in effect the loss is only 64 hours a month..  anyone who is likely to play an MMO for a full 364 hours a month is off their heads in my opinion and without meaning offense...

This is exactly like bandwidth limits.  300 hours isn't bad, but I see a shitty future for online gaming if other companies decide to follow.  Just like how bandwidth limits are going to ruin F2P mmos, direct2drive, gametap, and many other online services.  Anyway, I think it's a bad idea and other mmos shouldn't impose this or anything similar to it.  Just imagine if F2P mmos got their hands on this idea.  They could limit your playtime to around 10 hours a month.  You could only play longer/month if you decide to purchase a cash shop upgrade.   I could just see companies taking advantage of this idea to squeeze more money out of players.  A P2P mmo could charge $15.00 a month for say, 150 hours/month play time.  They could charge you another $1.00/month to get an extra 10 hours/month per dollar.  Ewww  

if it is 10 hours a day i see no reason not to have it.  i'ds be lucky to get 2 hours a day.  Maybe if i found some sweet groups i may even play for 6 hours or so on a weekend.  that Limit will not affect anyone other than those people who need a life.

Originally posted by Death1942

if it is 10 hours a day i see no reason not to have it.  i'ds be lucky to get 2 hours a day.  Maybe if i found some sweet groups i may even play for 6 hours or so on a weekend.  that Limit will not affect anyone other than those people who need a life.

ere ere and well said..

Originally posted by Death1942

if it is 10 hours a day i see no reason not to have it.  i'ds be lucky to get 2 hours a day.  Maybe if i found some sweet groups i may even play for 6 hours or so on a weekend.  that Limit will not affect anyone other than those people who need a life.

Fail.

And it's this mentality that keeps leading the MMO genre down the slippery slope of becoming ever more simple, and "casual".

What exactly do you mean by "a life"? If you mean a good income, kids, a family, a house, a car, etc...been there, done that. And I still have a hell of a lot more time to game than 6 hours on the weekends.

Who the Hell are YOU to tell someone else they "need a life"?

I've lived long enough, and accomplished more than enough, to be able to play a fucking game for a long as I damn well please, and I'm willing to bet there are plenty of others on this site and off who feel the same way.

Sorry..but not much pisses me off more than people telling gamers they need to "get a life". 

Originally posted by nomadian

I read recently that Aion have imposed some limit on playtime to a maximum of 300 hours in a month. (This works out approx. at 10 hours/day.)

What are your thoughts on this being say applied to other mmos? Would it stop you playing it or do you think it could be a useful addition to curb excessive playing? I personally think that number could very easily be brought down to 250 and still allow 99% of people to play as much as they liked.

    The problem is that we are paying to play their game...If it is a f2p then yeah they can do that but since we are paying for it then they shouldnt be able to restrict play time.

the main reason i feel this SHOULD be done to all if not most MMO's is because it will possibly bring down the sub prices a little bit, but mainly after what happened to that kid a short time ago who ended up in hospital after playing WoW's new expansion for over 24 hours straight.. 

and don't start going on about it being his own fault, as much as i would agree with that their needs to be limits in place to stop that happening again...  parents aint doing nothing about it and currently neither is any health foundation or the like.. 

Originally posted by Antaran

the main reason i feel this SHOULD be done to all if not most MMO's is because it will possibly bring down the sub prices a little bit, but mainly after what happened to that kid a short time ago who ended up in hospital after playing WoW's new expansion for over 24 hours straight.. 

and don't start going on about it being his own fault, as much as i would agree with that their needs to be limits in place to stop that happening again...  parents aint doing nothing about it and currently neither is any health foundation or the like.. 

There's already child neglect laws that cover that, why do we need more laws?  If I decide to eat baked beans until I explode are you saying the supermarket should limit them to 1 can per person?  You can't have society creating laws everytime someone does something stupid otherwise we would have no freedom whatsoever.  Personal responsibility whatever happend to that concept?

Jesus

I dont think in all of my days getting sucked into MMO's have i ever played 10 hours a day

Maybe when WoW came out, at the peak.  But thats still overkill

The only thing 300 hours max would do is hamstring bots and farmers ( a little )

Originally posted by Blodpls

Originally posted by Antaran

the main reason i feel this SHOULD be done to all if not most MMO's is because it will possibly bring down the sub prices a little bit, but mainly after what happened to that kid a short time ago who ended up in hospital after playing WoW's new expansion for over 24 hours straight.. 

and don't start going on about it being his own fault, as much as i would agree with that their needs to be limits in place to stop that happening again...  parents aint doing nothing about it and currently neither is any health foundation or the like.. 

 

There's already child neglect laws that cover that, why do we need more laws?  If I decide to eat baked beans until I explode are you saying the supermarket should limit them to 1 can per person?  You can't have society creating laws everytime someone does something stupid otherwise we would have no freedom whatsoever.  Personal responsibility whatever happend to that concept?

Thats all well and good for adults who know thier limits but when adults don't limit things for kids then it's upto the laws to govern things..  if adults cared more about thier kids and limited their gaming hours then they're woul dbe no need for a new law each time, but it's not happening is it?

Originally posted by Antaran 

Thats all well and good for adults who know thier limits but when adults don't limit things for kids then it's upto the laws to govern things..  if adults cared more about thier kids and limited their gaming hours then they're woul dbe no need for a new law each time, but it's not happening is it?

The laws already govern it, let your child play wow for 24 hrs and you get prosecuted child neglect.  Hitting your child is illegal but it still happens, making a law about this would be waste of time. 

Originally posted by Blodpls

Originally posted by Antaran 

Thats all well and good for adults who know thier limits but when adults don't limit things for kids then it's upto the laws to govern things..  if adults cared more about thier kids and limited their gaming hours then they're woul dbe no need for a new law each time, but it's not happening is it?

The laws already govern it, let your child play wow for 24 hrs and you get prosecuted child neglect.  Hitting your child is illegal but it still happens, making a law about this would be waste of time. 

 

depends on if a security feature for age verification was implimented, anyone over a certain age was OK to play as long as they like, anyone under that age was limited to certain hours a day, week or month. this is of course relating to the topic of limiting game hours of course,  don't think anything other than whats already in place can improve the other things you just mentioned.

I am not too keen on those kinds of limitations, even though they wouldn't affect me at all.  (I just don't have a 300-hours-a-month attention span for gaming of any sort, even my favorite games.)

On the other hand I wish more games had built in parental controls to set allowed times and time limits in order to give some time structure to my own gaming. (EQ2 has those, IIRC.) That would just be a handy tool, not a limit imposed from the outside.

i am old enough to make my own desitions in life. good or bad there are mine to make. how many people would loose thier damn minds if such a limit was placed on tv...driving..calorie intake... "WHAT ABOUT MY RIGHTS?!?!?!" guess you shoulda spoke up sooner.

Drago

It is a korean law that you can only play on a subscribed MMO for 300 Hours a month Maximum.  This limitation will not be imposed on the Players of the USA/EU Version.. Jesus Christ. Aion isnt the first game that this has been placed on. Do a little reading and stop this stuipd Thread.

If you think 10 hours a day isn't enough then the life you live probably isn't productive. This is for KOREANS ONLY. Even if it wasn't, 10 hours a day is nothing to complain about. If you do ANYTHING for 10 hours a day without moving,unless it is to secure your survival, you have a problem.

Originally posted by Deathstrike2

Originally posted by Sharajat

Originally posted by Timberwolf0

I have no objection to this limitation provided the monthly fees are reduced by some amount proportional to the time reduced.

Quick question - have you ever played 300 hours in one month?

 

Only thing this will do is discourage botters. 

BTW, done for Korean legal reasons.

 

Quick answer - it doesn't matter. 

Allowing companies to put limitations on things like this is the beginning of a slippery slope.  The whole "unhealthy to set in front of a computer" argument is crap.  Companies are in business to make money -- not play nursemaid to obsessive gamers.  And I seriously doubt anyone on these forums truely gives flying **** how much their fellow gamers play and whether or not they're "healthy."  Get real.

Today it's a limitation on play time, maybe tomorrow they'll just charge by the hour.  Who knows?  Will you all be licking their boots then?  It's funny how quickly people are willing to let a company think for them.

The beginning of a slippery slope?  Wow.  You do realize this is a fallacy, known as the slippery slope fallacy, right?

As for the unhealthy thing, you do realized several Asian countries passed laws.  You know how much your amazing "Break the law" motif will work for companies?  Quick answer: Not at all.

Today it's a limit on playtime - 10 hours per day.  Get real.  That's obviously just to minimally comply with Korean law.

As for companies charging by the hour, I'm absolutely 100% fine with it.  I'm fine with charging by the hour, I'm fine with charging $500 a month to play their MMO, I'm fine with them making you only play it on a Macintosh, or Red Hat, or Windows 98. 

I will not be purchasing any game with those limits, and I think they know that.  Don't be stupid.

300 hours is obviously a non-limit, this is obviously a non-issue. 

Allowing companies to put limitations on things like this is the beginning of a slippery slope.  The whole "unhealthy to set in front of a computer" argument is crap.  Companies are in business to make money -- not play nursemaid to obsessive gamers.  And I seriously doubt anyone on these forums truely gives flying **** how much their fellow gamers play and whether or not they're "healthy."  Get real.

Today it's a limitation on play time, maybe tomorrow they'll just charge by the hour.  Who knows?  Will you all be licking their boots then?  It's funny how quickly people are willing to let a company think for them.

I tried to make this point in the Aion forum too.  People can't seem to see past the fact that it is a lot of time... for now.  Agreeing to time limits sets a bad precedent.  Once you open the flood gates on this it will be difficult if not impossible to go back to the ways things are now.

I guess my only question is.. Is this for a certain geographical area only due to a "local" law or for every market they intend to enter.

I work out of my home so I can be in a new game for over 10 hours a day.  I mean I would be afk at times setting up things.. but I could see depending on the game.  If there is a harvest/craft system I can spend untold hours doing that as I wait on renders etc...

They can as others have said do anything they want.  You as the consumer have the right to not pay for the choice they make.  If enough people don't pay.. well then you know what will happen.  NCSoft especially isn't exactly swimming in a sea or profit atm.

People talking about "what's next... pay by the hour..." or similar.

When I first got online in 1985 with my trusty 300 baud modem... you got 1 free hour a month on quantum link.  The service cost $9.95 a month and premium services (aka most anything) were 6 cents a minute.

I also had no local dial up at that point so there was the cost to "dial in" on top of that.  Since I was 16 at the time I didn't exactly spend to much time "online".

Been there .. done that.. if it came to that again I'd just drop the hobby.

Originally posted by enLS

Whoever plays MMORPG's for more than 10 hours a day is a hopeless loser

Think so?? Let me tell you something...in order to have 10 hours of free time in a day, you have to be doing something right.

Pfft. Whatever. You just wish you could take 3 days off from work and game with little or no sleep for 36 hours straight.

Pansies. 

Let me make this clear.  Everyone who is in favor of this seems to be saying that they don't use 10 hours a day so they don't care, that's not the issue for people who are against this.  It doesn't matter if it's 10 hours, 15 hours or 23 hours, it's the principle that we are not going to pay for a restricted service unless they charge less money. 

We do not want people to tell us what to do with our spare time, if it's not harming anyone else it's none of their business.  There is no way I would use 300 hrs in a month, I won't even use half of that, but if they want my money or my vote they aren't going to tell me what I can or can't do unless it's harming somebody else.