Originally posted by siftified

Either way, creating completely safe zones would destory the immersion of this game.

there are safe zones. dock up =D

yup stations ar e safe, and if you got his herad on shoulders you can earn a lot of cash without undocking ( my friend is doing it, i dont have the merchant gene in me <_< ) . And its is untrue that you can do only pew pew in expensive ships. WIth factional warfare and FW plexes you can get a pew pew in t1 frigate ( greetings fpor people that dont run away from me ^^, it always foun to pew pew in friggy^^, even 1 vs 3). If you dont like pvp stay in hiosec and do missions, with world domination coming to horison and epic misions arcs, there be lots of new stuff. if you go lowsec be prepared to fight, or watch local and check scanner. and honestly, as a 0.0 polayer ill tell you one thing. The lowsec  and hisec are scarry. all that non blue persons flying around <_<. and 0.0 is ironicaly safer than low

 New Players;

When you Die you will lose your items and a random number of those items will be lootable

(fan[kidz] will say "Dont fly what you cant afford" So you end up doing level 1 missions over and over again, fun eh?)

Eve Community is full of e-peen rambo wanna-be's, by this you will quickly find your self killed by x10 number of players against your 1 shuttle, and then to make matters even more funny, they will actually claim a victory and think they did something UBER l33tz0r cause their kill mail increased.

Yes, Eve is full of PvP griefers, and no matter how you play you will die and lose all your stuff. I suggest you pass on Eve and try something else.

Eve has a small subscription player base, lets keep it that way.

Originally posted by sabutai33

 New Players;

 

When you Die you will lose your items and a random number of those items will be lootable

(fan[kidz] will say "Dont fly what you cant afford" So you end up doing level 1 missions over and over again, fun eh?)

 

Eve Community is full of e-peen rambo wanna-be's, by this you will quickly find your self killed by x10 number of players against your 1 shuttle, and then to make matters even more funny, they will actually claim a victory and think they did something UBER l33tz0r cause their kill mail increased.

 

Yes, Eve is full of PvP griefers, and no matter how you play you will die and lose all your stuff. I suggest you pass on Eve and try something else.

Eve has a small subscription player base, lets keep it that way.

 

when proven wrong you just repeat your arguments. you tried eve, eve kicked your ass so you come to the forums to cry about it.

players like you will never get into EVE, and thats a good thing. you know that this thread has brought several people out of the woodwork and made them think "this guy whines too much, im sure i could do well". so your crying is actually an advert for eve. anyone turned away by your constant bellyaching would have never lasted through the tutorial anyhow.

Originally posted by sabutai33

 New Players;

 

When you Die you will lose your items and a random number of those items will be lootable

(fan[kidz] will say "Dont fly what you cant afford" So you end up doing level 1 missions over and over again, fun eh?)

 

Eve Community is full of e-peen rambo wanna-be's, by this you will quickly find your self killed by x10 number of players against your 1 shuttle, and then to make matters even more funny, they will actually claim a victory and think they did something UBER l33tz0r cause their kill mail increased.

 

Yes, Eve is full of PvP griefers, and no matter how you play you will die and lose all your stuff. I suggest you pass on Eve and try something else.

Eve has a small subscription player base, lets keep it that way.

 

My biggest gripe with EVE was that skills are learnt in real time and as I joined a year and a half after launch, I would and always be behind others - as I'm a competitive player it only took 6 months before I gave up because of this.

However you sir have no idea.

You must have gone into low sec space to have gotten ganked, you also probably didnt have any counter measure equipment, like warp core stabilisers? and possibly a micro warp drive to counter a web?

Yea you do lose your ship and gear in this game, quite possibly one of the games best features! PvP and death actually matter - although as long as you fit your ship with junk loot, and make sure you insure it - you have practically nothing to lose.

However if you do splash out and spend iskies on good gear, and then go solo unprepared as a noobie into low sec space - what exactly do you expect?

Not so long ago I made a trial account and spent all 14 days pvping with other noob corp members for giggles - we went can tipping..lost a hell of alot of gear, also stole a crap load of ore. The games about risk, if you try to go solo you'll get pasted, if you fly with others - potential is limitless.

Also presumably you read up on the game before playing it? you knew exactly what you were getting into. Go take a cold shower and chill out for a bit, you probably only lost 10ks isk worth of stuff - not that much in the long run ^^

Now if they were to Open up a brand spanking new EVE server for those of us that hate being behind - I'd be on it before you could say ' Waffle'

Originally posted by Synika

Now if they were to Open up a brand spanking new EVE server for those of us that hate being behind - I'd be on it before you could say ' Waffle'

this will never happen, the entire premise of the game is that there is one server, its like WoW removing all gear.

incidently, i find it sad that you quit at the 6 month boundary, this is when you are easily able to fly a tech 2 ship or bs. you had caught up. :(

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

This game has been around for the better part of 5 years now. Basically, what should be considered safe areas are indeed not safe. Eve Online is by far one of the worst gankfest games ever made, which can be fun or frustrating. It's fun for those who are established, financially stable and well equipped. It's frustrating for anyone who's just starting out since theres players who have nothing better to do than blow your ships up any way they can.

I like PvP, but this game promotes severe ganking of new players by veteran players who have worse potty mouths than the Barren Chat in WoW. Eve is a great game, atleast the concept is, but with no safety net for new players, it already hit its subscription cap years ago.

By all means, feel free to give it a try on a trial account, but the game is full of gankers, scammers and anything you can think of to basically ruin your day. Since Eve is all about high risk vs. reward, it's next to impossible to even get anywhere as a new player.

All I'm saying is, play at your own risk, but from a veteran MMO player and PvP fan, this game is ridiculous and don't say I didn't warn you.

And this is coming from a guy who has been playing this game for 66 hours in the past 7 days -_-; if your enjoying it dont bother to mock it to others , let them see for themselfs , this is why the subs dont go up because of people like u.

Originally posted by xersent

this is why the subs dont go up because of people like u.

eve subs go up steadily year on year. setting concurent user records regularly.

Originally posted by Synika

Originally posted by sabutai33

 New Players;

 

When you Die you will lose your items and a random number of those items will be lootable

(fan[kidz] will say "Dont fly what you cant afford" So you end up doing level 1 missions over and over again, fun eh?)

 

Eve Community is full of e-peen rambo wanna-be's, by this you will quickly find your self killed by x10 number of players against your 1 shuttle, and then to make matters even more funny, they will actually claim a victory and think they did something UBER l33tz0r cause their kill mail increased.

 

Yes, Eve is full of PvP griefers, and no matter how you play you will die and lose all your stuff. I suggest you pass on Eve and try something else.

Eve has a small subscription player base, lets keep it that way.

 

 

My biggest gripe with EVE was that skills are learnt in real time and as I joined a year and a half after launch, I would and always be behind others - as I'm a competitive player it only took 6 months before I gave up because of this.

However you sir have no idea.

You must have gone into low sec space to have gotten ganked, you also probably didnt have any counter measure equipment, like warp core stabilisers? and possibly a micro warp drive to counter a web?

Yea you do lose your ship and gear in this game, quite possibly one of the games best features! PvP and death actually matter - although as long as you fit your ship with junk loot, and make sure you insure it - you have practically nothing to lose.

However if you do splash out and spend iskies on good gear, and then go solo unprepared as a noobie into low sec space - what exactly do you expect?

Not so long ago I made a trial account and spent all 14 days pvping with other noob corp members for giggles - we went can tipping..lost a hell of alot of gear, also stole a crap load of ore. The games about risk, if you try to go solo you'll get pasted, if you fly with others - potential is limitless.

Also presumably you read up on the game before playing it? you knew exactly what you were getting into. Go take a cold shower and chill out for a bit, you probably only lost 10ks isk worth of stuff - not that much in the long run ^^

Now if they were to Open up a brand spanking new EVE server for those of us that hate being behind - I'd be on it before you could say ' Waffle'

Even if they opened a new server you would be behind. Regardless of whether or not the little spcount ticker says so or not. Old players on a new server WOULD quickly outpace you on a new server in terms of Isk, Alliances would have POS's being put up within months of the server opening and there would be no way for anyone to take them down until roughly 8-10 months after the server launched because no-one would be able to fly dread to take them out. Not to mention the fact that the thousands of players that are currently fighting over 0.0 space would have nothing to do because there are no outposts to fight over and they cannot take out POS's. That would pretty much just leave patrolling low-sec for kills.

Trust me you really wouldn't want them to open a new server. It would make the current server look like Hello Kitty in comparison.

It's pointless as a new character to compare yourself to 5 year vets. Of course they have more total SP and of course they are more versatile, but that doesn't mean you can't compete, it really doesn't. It's been said time and time again and it still holds true. You can only use at MAX about 10 million SP in any ship at any one time so anyone who gets past that point is on even footing with a vet in that particual ship or races ships, they just lack the versatility which IMO is the way it should be. I can't level a char up to 70-80 in WoW and then suddenly decide I want to play another class and be at the same level as someone who's subbed to WoW for 3 years and has 5-8 level 70's with full gear.

CBA to read every damn page, so Il just reply to the OP...

There are safer areas in eve, and alot is down to your own judgement, treat eve more like you would in real life... would you really walk down a high street flashing a million dolllar /pound gadget, and expect nothing to happen when you walk down a dark alley moments later?

Yes eve has got gankers, scammers etc, but most if you use your head can be avoided, I hate people who judge a game simply because they can't cope with it not being easy enough....

Eve is a sandbox, in a sandbox, the game is what you make it.....

use your brain and you'll do well, make stupid mistakes you will get ya head biten off and more maybe...

but just as there are those who would gank you or scam you there are just as many who would help you.... heck there are many teaching corps who do nothing but help and ask for nothing in return!!!

In short a simple stfu to the OP

wow i played this game it was kinda boring soo maybe its cuz i played the trial but it got boring fast just flying around u know wht i mean?

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Well, atleast what I said about the Eve community being worse than WoW is correct simply by the amount and types of replies my thread recieved. Yes, I was mining and yes, it was some punk trying to bait me into attacking. However, if Eve is nothing more than people trying to frustrate new players than what did I say that was incorrect or inaccurate?

Anyways, Eve is still a gankfest of a game, regardless of what you elite veterans might add. Sure, in combat situations it can pan out differently, but those who travel down the mining road will always tell a different story.

I'm not saying Eve isn't fun, obviously as a veteran, it's easy to take advantage of new players. That is pretty much what Eve consists of, gankers, scammers and the like. I like PvP, but I don't think Eve is geared towards welcoming new players into their community, which is what my post points out.

So, get over yourselves, stop lying about what Eve is and let someone speak their mind about their experiences in the game.

what experiences were you speaking of in the op?  it was just a lot of whine, no stories of "stuff" that happened.

exactly what pvp games are you a veteran of?  dread lord days of UO?  shadowbane?  please don't say a wow pvp server, that's not pvp.

Originally posted by Netspook

Originally posted by Soraellion

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

This game has been around for the better part of 5 years now. Basically, what should be considered safe areas are indeed not safe. Eve Online is by far one of the worst gankfest games ever made, which can be fun or frustrating. It's fun for those who are established, financially stable and well equipped. It's frustrating for anyone who's just starting out since theres players who have nothing better to do than blow your ships up any way they can.

I like PvP, but this game promotes severe ganking of new players by veteran players who have worse potty mouths than the Barren Chat in WoW. Eve is a great game, atleast the concept is, but with no safety net for new players, it already hit its subscription cap years ago.

By all means, feel free to give it a try on a trial account, but the game is full of gankers, scammers and anything you can think of to basically ruin your day. Since Eve is all about high risk vs. reward, it's next to impossible to even get anywhere as a new player.

All I'm saying is, play at your own risk, but from a veteran MMO player and PvP fan, this game is ridiculous and don't say I didn't warn you.

 

I'm sorry EVE takes slightly more braincells than WARhammer and doesn't follow the "I'm higher lvl/have better gear therefore i win" idea, it follows the "I'm smarter and therefore I win".  I can understand people from other MMO's having difficulty with that concept but there are indeed people who ARE capable of higher brain functions who do quite well, even at young age.

Bye now.

 

P.S. Bato's kill is funny but certainly not impossible or anything, all he had to do is keep that BS scrambled, not have the drones kill him and make sure the BS wasn't going to try and make it to the gate (if he stopped firing that is). Just smart use of game mechanics, that BS was NOT setup to be solo and certainly not to go against smaller targets.

 

Thank you for proving the OP's point about the "potty mouth community". Doesn't make it tempting to try EVE, if this is the sort of community that awaits.

to be quite honest, if the quoted is potty mouth and unattractive to you; then, the only mmo type games you MIGHT find attractive are hello kitty online and toontown.

and if we're talking truth; then, yeah, stupid people won't last very long solo in eve, and will probably only be fodder on a team.

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Ok, apparently you guys don't have a clue how Eve Online operates. You can't jump in a battleship when your only 1 million skill points into the game and expect to outgun someone who's been in for 2 years. As much as Eve players like to spit out that skill points don't determine the outcome of a battle are extremely misleading.

Skill Points = Better Ships, Better Equipment and that means easier for them to kill someone.

Also, the more you indulge me with your negativity about my skills, the more you prove to everyone that reads this just how friggin kiddy the Eve community is. I don't care if you believe what Im saying, cause this post is for new players to not purchase Eve, but rather give the trial account a shot if they really must know.

I never said Eve was a bad game, but the community is beyond annoying. I quit playing Eve a year ago and the same person that was stealing my ore than is actually stealing my ore again now. So what if I lost a ship, I could care less, but the fact he constantly annoys the hell outta me makes me wonder what the purpose of Eve is.

Oh joy, let's frustrate new players for years and years. This guys doesn't just do it once in a while, he actually does nothing but frustrate new players. Yes, this game IS a gankfest, it IS full of scammers and CCP can't define their own game rules when it comes to cheaters.

Sorry, I'm not about to backdown because 10 people who play Eve want to call me a punk who can't handle his pudding. Eve is not friendly to new players and thats the point of my post and thats why I titled it the way I did.

Anyways, feel free to continue your badgering cause I really don't care what any of you think. I'm telling it like it is and your arguing from the other side of the table 2 billion skill points into the game.

so, this guy that is stealing your ore... he follows you from system to system?  everywhere you go, he's there?  or, are you staying in the single system in which he lurks and mining there?

did you join a "training" player corp, such as eve university?

have you made use of the rookie help channel?  did you bring up any of the problems you were having?

by the by, some guy stealing your ore does not allow him to gank you in any fashion.  if you're solo jet canning in a crowded system; then, you should expect someone, or many someones, to gank your ore, simply due to statistics.

as far as understanding how eve operates, if you are completely frustrated with something like mining, then you should not be flying a battleship.  there are simply too many configurations for too many encounters, in which you would need to be familiar (and which you would become familiar via progressing from frig/dessie/cruiser/bc/bs and all the advanced/t2 variants of said ship classes).

you should expect to be badgered for just flaming without having put effort into your endeavors in eve.  if you put efforts into this endeavor, then one of your posts should've already elaborated on said efforts.

Originally posted by slask777

hehe, Eve is a shitty game with a screwed up, elitist community. Just let it pass and move on to the next mmo on the list. These people even prove what and who they are by the posts in this thread. Eve is a gankfest, with one of the most boring pve's you'll ever find in any mmo's out there, bloody boring grind and its very unfriendly to the newbie. In fact, Eve kick you in the nuts if you try anything funny in it. Even the way to progress in the game is screwed up. It rewards the time you been subscribing to it, not the effort you put into your Eve persona.

The only good thing Eve got going for itself is the player-driven economy, but then again, most people don't try Eve cause of the economy, they try Eve cause they wanna fly in space and pewpew stuff. Eve even managed to make the final frontier boring. GG CCP

 I seldom agree with this guy, allthough his reviews are funny and quite clever at times, but with this review, he is spot on, www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/208-Eve-Online

goonswarm  is elitist?

eve isn't a pve game.  why are you harping on pve?

if you try what that is funny?  seriously, what is the funny comment about?

eve rewards you for the time sub'd?  so, what game are you playing and exactly how long does it take you to get the absolute best stuff in that game?  because, say... WoW, don't you kinda need the best gear in order to win in the so-called pvp/arena/BGs?  soooo, until you have whatever the current best gear is, you're not really full-up, are you?

so for WoW, every three months or so, you HAVE to start your grind to the next highest gear (assuming you stay equipped with the current best gear); versus eve and once you hit your racial battleship to level 5; then, you're pretty set for quite a while.  assuming of course, you've had the good sense to train up all your support skills as you progressed thru ship classes.

lol on the BS and the "mommy they said bad words on the internet" is a bad argument in my oppinon and i found that the eve communitty is kind and help full you just need to give respect  to gain it.

Huh... EVE is one of the most easy games to understand, on a sense of course. You die for your stupidity. And taking EVE with a pinch of humor might be necessary. I once got podded in low-sec (does any one type a x when typing low-sec besides me) in front of a star-gate. Not only was I laughing on my second monitor I looking on the internet for ore prices because I was going back to mining for a while. What's strange to me is that people say EVE is a mature game but I'm going on 13 years in two months. Anyway I have to go and check corpmail.

Maturity isn't and age. It's a mindset.

Eve will chew up and spit out most immature people although some do sneak by here and there.

Wait... are you with me or against me. If not, okay. If so, okay. I don't see why people can get pissed at a game or people on the internet (but that has nothing to do with what I'm going to say). Games mimic the world to a extent. If game developers made a game that was unlike the world then people's instinctive xenophobia would make them stay away from it. Also it would be pretty hard to develop something like that.

Originally posted by Elsabolts

The above statements are an excellent reason new players do not stay longer in the game. I for one would like to see a choice for playing on a pvp or new pve server. I bet CCP would make a hefty some of isk if they gave folks a choice. I also think the pve server would have more folks then a pvp server.

the pve server would fail within a month's time.

industrialists make money because wars require a steady supply of ships and mods,  running missions do not (except for people that suck majorly at said missions).

miners make money because industrialists need the mined goodies.

ratters rat to pay for replacement ships/mods and/or to get good drops to sale, so that they can get replacement ships/mods.

eve's pve sucks.

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Originally posted by clamsd101
I don't see why people can get pissed at a game

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Internet Spaceships are serious bussines.

To the OP - this is one of the most boring MMOs on the market with one of the most condescending, arrogant and elitist communities that there are. You're better off out of it.

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

This game has been around for the better part of 5 years now. Basically, what should be considered safe areas are indeed not safe. Eve Online is by far one of the worst gankfest games ever made, which can be fun or frustrating. It's fun for those who are established, financially stable and well equipped. It's frustrating for anyone who's just starting out since theres players who have nothing better to do than blow your ships up any way they can.

I like PvP, but this game promotes severe ganking of new players by veteran players who have worse potty mouths than the Barren Chat in WoW. Eve is a great game, atleast the concept is, but with no safety net for new players, it already hit its subscription cap years ago.

By all means, feel free to give it a try on a trial account, but the game is full of gankers, scammers and anything you can think of to basically ruin your day. Since Eve is all about high risk vs. reward, it's next to impossible to even get anywhere as a new player.

All I'm saying is, play at your own risk, but from a veteran MMO player and PvP fan, this game is ridiculous and don't say I didn't warn you.

Lol @ your Xfire stats after that post.

Originally posted by Lydon

Originally posted by Rhoklaw
Stuff

Lol @ your Xfire stats after that post.

Eve is terrible! oh shi-

Originally posted by gracefield

To the OP - this is one of the most boring MMOs on the market with one of the most condescending, arrogant and elitist communities that there are. You're better off out of it.

I dunno, seems like we avoided the pleasure of your company, and are better off for it.

EVE is one of the most interesting MMO's on the market with one one of the most mature, helpful and intelligent commmunities that there are.  You are poorer for not being part of it.

Fixed that for you.