This thread is a bit pointless. WAR is a pvp game and as such the pve content is not difficult to say the least. If you find it to be otherwise...well...you may want to question your own skill as a gamer. Heck, I'm not sure what games out there are difficult. It's just about how much time you put into something. Nothing out there is all that terribly challenging especially with so much being geared to the solo player. But WAR pve is no where near the depth of WoW's at this point. At the same time WAR's pvp is probably more interesting for some than WoW's because that is the games focus. I didn't enjoy it but others might.

woah, so much anger in this thread.

And yes, Warhammer's PVE (not talking PQs here dummies, I mean endgame PVE after the bastion stair easy introductory raid wings and first 5 bosses) IS more challenging than WotLK's endgame PVE, it's harder, more rewarding and requires a fair bit of wiping to learn the bosses.

WoW PVE is just run in and collect epix from Naxx 25 and Sart 25 (even pug's are one-shotting Sart now)

of course Warhammer's PVP is better, it's a PVP game designed around a war campaign that changes the game map.

What I meant in this thread is that the PVE in Warhammer is also better than WotLK's easymode, boring PVE raids :)

Originally posted by Greyhooff

WoW PVE is just run in and collect epix from Naxx 25 and Sart 25 (even pug's are one-shotting Sart now)

of course Warhammer's PVP is better, it's a PVP game designed around a war campaign that changes the game map.

What I meant in this thread is that the PVE in Warhammer is also better than WotLK's easymode, boring PVE raids :)

Since Greyhooff admitted to me he didn't play WotLK, just push the ignore button for now on this guy.

No wonder he couldn't give any avatar or server name, because he's just spawning anti WotLK propaganda without even playing the game.

Like every day, he bumped up his own created  threads on the Wow forums, so I just reported him for obvious trolling and spawning false information. I whiped two times in the beginning dungeon of Azjul Nerub. I guess I am a moron.

As for PvP in Wow: the technical side is far stronger, because the control, speed and responsiveness is umatched in Wow and since LW open world PvP zone now gives account based gear...

... it's very clear where the real PvP actions will be in the coming months.

War is a disaster at the moment - design wise - and it shows in the number of empty servers.

I think ENOUGH people already have lost 50 Euroson on War, From now on I guess you're personal responsible for even more people having to loose money over that game.

My warrior on Kazzak is 78 and I'm also playing a guildie's rogue (that's how I'm raiding Naxx 25 and Sart 25) (Also, the new mutilate is easymode, but somehow less satisfying, combat is very lackluster atm without some boost to combat potency)

WotLK is a weak PVE game, nothing like the old WoW / TBC raiding.

Warhammer's PVE is entertaining me far more - the Lost Vale is around twice the size of the entirety of Naxx 25, and it's far prettier and more challenging :)

Originally posted by Greyhooff

My warrior on Kazzak is 78 and I'm also playing a guildie's rogue (that's how I'm raiding Naxx 25 and Sart 25) (Also, the new mutilate is easymode, but somehow less satisfying, combat is very lackluster atm without some boost to combat potency)

WotLK is a weak PVE game, nothing like the old WoW / TBC raiding.

Warhammer's PVE is entertaining me far more - the Lost Vale is around twice the size of the entirety of Naxx 25, and it's far prettier and more challenging :)

Describe each stage for fighting Malygos, or at least the last stage. GOGOGOGOGO 

Edit: NVM it's all on youtube and such  Sooo I guess screen shot of your toon taking down a boss in one of those raids or GTFO

Originally posted by Aeroangel

Originally posted by Greyhooff

My warrior on Kazzak is 78 and I'm also playing a guildie's rogue (that's how I'm raiding Naxx 25 and Sart 25) (Also, the new mutilate is easymode, but somehow less satisfying, combat is very lackluster atm without some boost to combat potency)

WotLK is a weak PVE game, nothing like the old WoW / TBC raiding.

Warhammer's PVE is entertaining me far more - the Lost Vale is around twice the size of the entirety of Naxx 25, and it's far prettier and more challenging :)

 

Describe each stage for fighting Malygos, or at least the last stage. GOGOGOGOGO 

Edit: NVM it's all on youtube and such  Sooo I guess screen shot of your toon taking down a boss in one of those raids or GTFO

HAHA LOL

What a joke this Greyhooff is ....

he says he has TWO U(yes 2 !) characters playing. One is from a "guildie". That's too easy far too easy man.

Like we always said : NAME, GUILD and SERVER and we will check YOUR characters in the armory and IN game of course. Picking out a random character is much too easy.

Because if you want to brag, show it off !

Let the laughs begin. How pathetic hate against a game can be.

Here is an easy one: how can you and in which way do you exit Azjul Nerub? That shouldn't be too "hard", is it.

Silence ...... :))))

OP, could you please show us a link to your T6 toon??? many ppl asked you many times already. LOLOL

Well since you ask for details, here's my opinion on some of the fights

Naxx 25 is very easy, most fights are pretty much one-shots and take 1 attempt to learn, the only remotely tricky fight is Patchwerk and that's only because of 25k hatefuls, but we just swap in some extra healing power and drop out a couple of melee and it's cake still. KT one-shotted leaves a bad taste in my mouth after having such nice tough wipenights against him in pre-TBC days.

Sart is wotlk's void reaver, easily one-shottable while half-asleep and free epix, might as well kill Sart with all 3 adds up to add to the challenge because right now it's a joke

Haven't done Malygos yet, I'll put my impressions of it when we kill it tonight

WotLK PVE is a joke, it's mindless, boring trash made for bad players to win easy epix :)

Originally posted by Greyhooff

Well since you ask for details, here's my opinion on some of the fights

Naxx 25 is very easy, loatheb maexxna grobb and gluth are pretty much one-shots, the only remotely tricky fight is Patchwerk and that's only because of 25k hatefuls, but we just swap in some extra healing power and drop out a couple of melee and it's cake still. KT one-shotted leaves a bad taste in my mouth after having such nice tough wipenights against him in pre-TBC days.

Sart is wotlk's void reaver, easily one-shottable while half-asleep and free epix, might as well kill Sart with all 3 adds up to add to the challenge because right now it's a joke

Haven't done Malygos yet, I'll put my impressions of it when we kill it tonight

WotLK PVE is a joke, it's mindless, boring trash made for bad players to win easy epix :)

All this info can be searched with a simple Google search.

I asked you a question. YOUR characters  , with name, guild and server and we will search it up on the armory AND in game.

And I asked you a simple question how and in which way do you leave the simple Azjul Nerub?

You had one hour and you replied without even giving an aswer, meaning you don't even know....

So you lost all credibility.

Btw On the War forums you said you had done RvR all night yesterday, so you leveled 3 levels with your "warrior" and downed PVE RAids in WotLK at the same time ....How much liar can one be ?

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 IF you would fall SO low as to pick some guild (which plays WotLK fanatically of course) that actually DO hi end Raids already, look into a mirror and ... think about how deep hate can run.

The OP is a joke.   He claims to hate WOW, yet leveled a character to 78 and play another character (lol) for raiding sinc wrath was released.

If you are such a warhammer fanboy, why would you waste so much time in WOW.

He was talking about his guild beating Nax when only one guild in the world had done it.. obvious liar is liar :)

The only joke around here is your constant WoW bashing.

Don't like it... good for you, go play something else but stop the constant whining about how bad it is.

I have blocked the OP some days ago, after understanding that his only contribution on these forums is to start flame threads. Like this one.

There is only one way to improve the quality of these forums, avoid the temptation to post on threads that their only contribution is to create unnecessary noise.

Originally posted by Azrile

The OP is a joke.   He claims to hate WOW, yet leveled a character to 78 and play another character (lol) for raiding sinc wrath was released.

If you are such a warhammer fanboy, why would you waste so much time in WOW.

He was talking about his guild beating Nax when only one guild in the world had done it.. obvious liar is liar :)

He's either: 1. a liar, or 2. a self-loathing idiot.  Oh, and did he really bring in the ole 'I'm playing on a friends account' excuse?

Originally posted by Ranek

Originally posted by Greyhooff

Well since you ask for details, here's my opinion on some of the fights

Naxx 25 is very easy, most fights are pretty much one-shots and take 1 attempt to learn, the only remotely tricky fight is Patchwerk and that's only because of 25k hatefuls, but we just swap in some extra healing power and drop out a couple of melee and it's cake still. KT one-shotted leaves a bad taste in my mouth after having such nice tough wipenights against him in pre-TBC days.

Sart is wotlk's void reaver, easily one-shottable while half-asleep and free epix, might as well kill Sart with all 3 adds up to add to the challenge because right now it's a joke

Haven't done Malygos yet, I'll put my impressions of it when we kill it tonight

WotLK PVE is a joke, it's mindless, boring trash made for bad players to win easy epix :)

There there Greyhoof, take your pills now and lets go to the happy place. Ofcourse your gonna kill Malygos, your a big boy after all. There that wasn't so bad was it?

 

Rofl.

Hah, my guild downed Arthas.  It took us one wipe, but then he was down.  Frostmorne didn't drop, maybe next week.

What, you say he's not in the game?  Sorry, we're just that good.

Originally posted by Sharajat

Hah, my guild downed Arthas.  It took us one wipe, but then he was down.  Frostmorne didn't drop, maybe next week.

 

What, you say he's not in the game?  Sorry, we're just that good.

Proof: how easy the content is.

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by Sharajat

Hah, my guild downed Arthas.  It took us one wipe, but then he was down.  Frostmorne didn't drop, maybe next week.

 

What, you say he's not in the game?  Sorry, we're just that good.

 

Proof: how easy the content is.

I know!  You think blizzard would have made it a challenge.  Honestly, every boss in Arthas' dungeon just lay down and gave us epics.

And you would not believe how OP the epics make us in PvP.  I mean I have no skillz whatsoever, but man, with those epics, I pwned.  We had tenacity in wintergrasp, so I just flew down on my epic proto-drake, dismounted over their offensive, and popped holy nova and levitate in midair.  It took out like 30 hordies, and procced blackout on most of the rest.  Thanks to tenacity, I easily took them all down with shadow word: death spam.  It was like "LOLZ, LRN2EPIX NOOBS"  

Originally posted by Greyhooff

My warrior on Kazzak is 78 and I'm also playing a guildie's rogue (that's how I'm raiding Naxx 25 and Sart 25) (Also, the new mutilate is easymode, but somehow less satisfying, combat is very lackluster atm without some boost to combat potency)

WotLK is a weak PVE game, nothing like the old WoW / TBC raiding.

Warhammer's PVE is entertaining me far more - the Lost Vale is around twice the size of the entirety of Naxx 25, and it's far prettier and more challenging :)

"Playing" huh?

So it sucks so bad but you still play...that makes total sense...NOT.

The reason WOW now is nothing like the old WOW/BC raiding is because 40 man raids almost destroyed the game. I was there and I saw the end-game as envisioned at launch. 40 man everything....you had to have massive amounts of population to do anything at the end game. It sucked and Blizzard realized this and soon went to 20 man raids and then 10 and 25 man raids (and other things like reset timers and such).

See for game that base their entire end-game on massive population, things start going downhill when the population leaves for one reason or another. Maybe people grow bored, wanna try a new game, sick of bugs, tired of standing around looking for people to play with etc.....whatever their reason, people leave a game. When the entire endgame is based on population and it leaves, it begins a progressive effect where people leave because people are leaving and it is hard to recover from this.

Oh wait....you play WAR so I guess you are witnessing what I am describing then. And don't tell me it isn't happening because I play with two guilds on two huge servers (Volkmar and REM) and see it happening with my own eyes. Both guilds have populations that were one time over 200 now not even 10% of that. Mythic, like Funcom, based their entire endgame on population and keeping a large, active population around to keep the endgame prosperous. It didn't happen and as a result, it now only magnifies the issues with the game.

WOW may not be perfect but at least I can do what I want and when I want with the people that I like to group with. Mythic has some serious issues to deal with and I believe they will - the question is will it be to little too late?.....a question Blizzard doesn't even have to consider.

Originally posted by Sharajat

Hah, my guild downed Arthas.  It took us one wipe, but then he was down.  Frostmorne didn't drop, maybe next week.

 

What, you say he's not in the game?  Sorry, we're just that good.

Since when could you fight arthas? I miss an update or something

Or are you playing on private servers? (lol)

Originally posted by Sharajat

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by Sharajat

Hah, my guild downed Arthas.  It took us one wipe, but then he was down.  Frostmorne didn't drop, maybe next week.

 

What, you say he's not in the game?  Sorry, we're just that good.

 

Proof: how easy the content is.

I know!  You think blizzard would have made it a challenge.  Honestly, every boss in Arthas' dungeon just lay down and gave us epics.

And you would not believe how OP the epics make us in PvP.  I mean I have no skillz whatsoever, but man, with those epics, I pwned.  We had tenacity in wintergrasp, so I just flew down on my epic proto-drake, dismounted over their offensive, and popped holy nova and levitate in midair.  It took out like 30 hordies, and procced blackout on most of the rest.  Thanks to tenacity, I easily took them all down with shadow word: death spam.  It was like "LOLZ, LRN2EPIX NOOBS"  

More /facepalm

I don't really have anything to say. 

I just wanted to comment on your hardcore member status after 15 days here and I'm only an apprentice after 6 years! 

Originally posted by Greyhooff

A video to show what good, challenging PVE should be like, instead of the easymode faceroll that WoW PVE has become:

http://www.warhammermovies.com/movieview.php?id=1389

Lost Vale is the tier 3 instance that drops the epic Darkpromise tier 3 set, there are harder instances and city raid instances (not the early raid introduction bastion stair raid which anyone can do at 40) to be unlocked by conquering the other faction's areas in the PVP campaign. But it's already harder than anything in WOTLK :)

A couple of notes about the video (which is a few weeks old):

- Kiting the small spiders on spider boss doesn't work any more

- The hero add on lizard boss gives better loot from main boss if killed before killing main boss

- Some of the boss abilities were changed to make the fight harder (usually) or more interesting/different (less often)

- Shamans and archmages can no longer instant ress in combat (which they do constantly in this video)

I play WAR, and I do not believe this. I may have quit WoW but I don't the PVE went down hill since. 

To me WoW is the king of instances. Hands down, but as far as PVE combat. All games are pretty much the same, no the roll you play and tank and spank. 

But no, WAR does not have better PVE, similiar maybe, but not better 

OP is playing you, here is a link to the wow armory.

http://kr.wowarmory.com/search.xml?searchQuery=Kazzak&searchType=all

Only 1 Kazzak and it is a level 22 Shaman. If people like WOW pve then let them

have at it without lying to them to bring them to your game.

Originally posted by zappah

OP is playing you, here is a link to the wow armory.

http://kr.wowarmory.com/search.xml?searchQuery=Kazzak&searchType=all

Only 1 Kazzak and it is a level 22 Shaman. If people like WOW pve then let them

have at it without lying to them to bring them to your game.

Kazzak is the server name :)

Originally posted by Greyhooff

Originally posted by zappah

OP is playing you, here is a link to the wow armory.

http://kr.wowarmory.com/search.xml?searchQuery=Kazzak&searchType=all

Only 1 Kazzak and it is a level 22 Shaman. If people like WOW pve then let them

have at it without lying to them to bring them to your game.

 

Kazzak is the server name :)

As I've posted already, OP has no credibility left.  Maybe if he'd responded within a reasonable time to the first post asking his toon and guild names he would... but now it's been long enough there's probably a good number of toons that fit his description, all he has to do is find one.  I for one do not believe a word he says.