Lol those are big numbers...I wonder what will happen when blizzard will close WoW...in 4-5 years ( or more) from now...there will be a wave of collective suicide...in china mainly

but blizzard alrdy told they will have another expansion...but the graphic engine will be so outdated since then I can believe someone will want to play with these graphics because they will have much better PC in 2 years

Originally posted by tastethegold

thats alot of retards buying a game in a 24 hour clip, wonder if there were any nervous breakdowns over people not getting their pre-orders.

pathetic.

yeah because it's somehow strange to not want to play through tons of beautifully designed content, instances which capture the feel of vanilla wow, while retaining the well designed aspect of tbc instances?

New battlegrounds, etc etc.

Is normal?

Standing around in the old content waiting a week to go pick up a copy, just for the sake of waiting?  That's not normal.

It's being lazy.

All you haters can go shove it up your ear.(censored).  WoW is the best mmorpg out there, and it proves it.

You may want a sandbox, you may want a different type of game, you may not like wow.  That's all perfectly fine.  But just because you have your own idea for the perfect mmo game, doesn't mean it's right. So stop acting like you do.

The McDonalds comments don't work either.  Goldselling is practically NON-EXISTANT.  And is now mainly through keyloggers and hacked accounts.

less then 5% of the playerbase has multiple accounts less then .000001% of the playerbase has more then 2 accounts.

They don't count trials, they don't count canceled subscriptions.

Come back when you aren't clueless.

Originally posted by thark

 

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Originally posted by Khrymson
Well that 2.8mil + is the hardcore OMG I gotta have this and get to lvl 80 and see everything before anyone else first crowd.  There are millions of casuals that aren't ready to jump into Lich King right away. 
I'm kinda in that crowd as a more hardcore/casual, meaning I can put a ton of time into the game but I don't have to be first to see stuff and would rather wait on the mad rush to spread out so I'm not fighting over mobs in the first quest areas...if ya know what I mean!

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Hmm..Millions of people that hasn't reached the endgame !! In a game that is now 4+ years old , unless these are somewhat new players then I do not buy this statement at all...

Most people that plays a game and likes it also buys the expansion heads on, atleast in the guilds I have been in there has ALWAYS been a 99% ratio..

As the above poster states, the figures should be very close to the 11 million mark or there simply isn't that many subscribers..

Atleast 8-9 mil should have bought the expansion the first 24 hours..

All my friends that still play and enjoys WoW has bought the expansion on release, this is a 100 % ratio, althou this is a small fraction of the game it still tells me something..

I know many ppl who didint bought it yet , my bud at work still dont  have it cause he just started playing wow and he dont have enough money , Bunch of ppl in his noob guild dont have expension yet . You are totaly wrong if you thing that 9 milion out of 11 mil bought the expension in the first 24 hours .

Originally posted by thark

 

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Originally posted by Khrymson
Well that 2.8mil + is the hardcore OMG I gotta have this and get to lvl 80 and see everything before anyone else first crowd.  There are millions of casuals that aren't ready to jump into Lich King right away. 
I'm kinda in that crowd as a more hardcore/casual, meaning I can put a ton of time into the game but I don't have to be first to see stuff and would rather wait on the mad rush to spread out so I'm not fighting over mobs in the first quest areas...if ya know what I mean!

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Hmm..Millions of people that hasn't reached the endgame !! In a game that is now 4+ years old , unless these are somewhat new players then I do not buy this statement at all...

Most people that plays a game and likes it also buys the expansion heads on, atleast in the guilds I have been in there has ALWAYS been a 99% ratio..

As the above poster states, the figures should be very close to the 11 million mark or there simply isn't that many subscribers..

Atleast 8-9 mil should have bought the expansion the first 24 hours..

All my friends that still play and enjoys WoW has bought the expansion on release, this is a 100 % ratio, althou this is a small fraction of the game it still tells me something..

I played WoW for 4 years and my highest character is only 52, what is your point? I only have the first expansion for the game and didn't get that till I needed it. There are many more like me. Your just generalizing people on how you perceive things to be.

Originally posted by Azrile

 

people like this crack me up.   You do realize the 2.8M copies it sold is only for NA and EU.   So 2.8M out of about 6M.    That means 50% of players bought the expansion..... wait for it..... ON THE FIRST DAY!!!.    Yes, if in 3 months,   only 50% of players have bought the expansion.. that might not be so good.  But we are talking about 'fanatic' people here.  We are talking about people who went out and bought the expansion as soon as it was available.

Another thing to remember.. In the 3 months before the expansion..  WOW vanilla was still on the best selling list.  Which means there are probably a substantial number of players who aren't even ready for Wrath yet.

So tell me about your game?  is it Warhammer with it's merging servers and box sales ranked at number 468 on sales charts?  Or is it AOC? (lol).   If WOW's sales are so abysmal, what game is doing good?

WoW has 2.5m NA and 2 m European subscribers - according to Blizzard itself. I wonder, when will you ever learn the fact that WoW does NOT have 6m NA+European customers. Seriously...

Originally posted by ronan32

Originally posted by Zayne3145

LMAO @ the never relenting WoW-haters.

Imagine if an expansion for <insert-so-much-superior-than-WoW-MMO-here> expansion hit 2.8 million in 24 hours. We'd never heard the end of it. And of course, none of the arguments that apply here would be valid.

Gotta love WoW-hater hypocrisy.

 

gotta love the wow fanboi when all he can say about wow is how many people play it. I think most of you just play it because its popular.

More fun than not playing it for the same reason.

When will the WoW marketing experts in these forums realize that number of boxes sold don't mean sh*t for tons of people?

I mean, I never cared for some multimedia product's popularity, ever.

When Michael Jackson was selling like newspapers in the 80s, I was not listening to him. Same with the hip hop stuff today. I never owned a pop album, ever.

I don't eat at McDonalds when there are hundreds of millions of people in the world visiting McDonalds every day. It's not that I care about my health or anything, but just because people go there does NOT make me try those.

Same with the most popular movies. I never went to theatres for Titanic for example. Instead I want to go to a movie which I would enjoy, not to the movies people go in the opening weekend.

So what's the deal here, seriously? If more than 100k people are playing an MMO it's more than enough. It only depends on the server management of the producer. If they open too many servers and the population is spread out, it's not fun. Therefore, I am all for the server merges, if it's needed for a game.

Have fun playing with 11 million other people, where there are 5.5 million Asian players and a few million gold farmers and multi account owners. If you are having fun, that's great! But please, do not come to forums and brag about it.

Originally posted by Xtort

When will the WoW marketing experts in these forums realize that number of boxes sold don't mean sh*t for tons of people?

I mean, I never cared for some multimedia product's popularity, ever.

When Michael Jackson was selling like newspapers in the 80s, I was not listening to him. Same with the hip hop stuff today. I never owned a pop album, ever.

I don't eat at McDonalds when there are hundreds of millions of people in the world visiting McDonalds every day. It's not that I care about my health or anything, but just because people go there does NOT make me try those.

Same with the most popular movies. I never went to theatres for Titanic for example. Instead I want to go to a movie which I would enjoy, not to the movies people go in the opening weekend.

So what's the deal here, seriously? If more than 100k people are playing an MMO it's more than enough. It only depends on the server management of the producer. If they open too many servers and the population is spread out, it's not fun. Therefore, I am all for the server merges, if it's needed for a game.

Have fun playing with 11 million other people, where there are 5.5 million Asian players and a few million gold farmers and multi account owners. If you are having fun, that's great! But please, do not come to forums and brag about it.

Well that's great.

However, there are people who ARE listening to this music, like these movies and like WoW.

So just because there are a lot of boxes being sold it doesn't discount that they are being sold to people who are excited and interested in the product.

the reverse is true to you know.

Tell me how much you listen to 12 tone music each day and how much you love it.

I think it's perfectly ok for people to be excited and want to shout to the rafters that something they like/love is doing well. I don't see why it is necessary to tear that down.

(oh... for your listening pleasure http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8LXYm0QO1c )

Originally posted by Sovrath

 

Well that's great.

However, there are people who ARE listening to this music, like these movies and like WoW.

So just because there are a lot of boxes being sold it doesn't discount that they are being sold to people who are excited and interested in the product.

the reverse is true to you know.

Tell me how much you listen to 12 tone music each day and how much you love it.

I think it's perfectly ok for people to be excited and want to shout to the rafters that something they like/love is doing well. I don't see why it is necessary to tear that down.

WoW feels like the MTV of the MMO world. Too popular, yet nothing worthy. But that's just a personal opinion of course.

I was never the MTV person, but I respect the people who enjoy popular things. Just don't make a fuzz about it :) 

Originally posted by Bladin Come back when you aren't clueless.

less then 5% of the playerbase has multiple accounts less then .000001% of the playerbase has more then 2 accounts.

I hope those aren't actual results, by those numbers "..000001%" means with a player base of say 12 million, less than 1/8th of a player has a multiple account.  (that's not even 1 whole member) so it would take 7/8ths more of a person for someone to have a multiple account.

Well if we start splitting people into fractions that would be murder, I personally do not volunteer to be a member of your absurd statistic as I do not want to be chopping into 8 pieces...

Also if less than 5% of the player base has multiple accounts and only .000001% of those players has than two accounts, we can safely say that you have violated the laws of  "statistic over exaggeration" and you will probably (if you haven't already) fail your statistics class if you have or ever plan on taking one.

I hope someone found this as entertaining to read as I found it to write,  no offense intended I am just playing with your words.

Originally posted by barshems

i duno about diablo 2 cuz i lost my cd's thus my cd key so i haven't bothered but i checked the origional diablo not but a week ago shortly after checking on the status of daiblo 3. I can say for sure that the player base of the origional diablo game on b.net is down to around 3-5 players, of course maybe with the addition of the gold sellers on diablo 2 plus the player base you may still be right.

Ever notice when someone wants to discount subscriber numbers, they always say " everyone is a gold-seller or a multi-boxer". I read a post somewhere and some guy honestly said that 4-5M of wow's subscribers are gold-sellers.

Okay I am a newbie at forums I think that is obvious.  Anyhow I would like to clearly state, so that there is no confusion, that I in no way was intending to discredit diablo 2 by my comment of gold sellers on the game...

I am done.

Originally posted by Xtort

Originally posted by Sovrath

 

Well that's great.

However, there are people who ARE listening to this music, like these movies and like WoW.

So just because there are a lot of boxes being sold it doesn't discount that they are being sold to people who are excited and interested in the product.

the reverse is true to you know.

Tell me how much you listen to 12 tone music each day and how much you love it.

I think it's perfectly ok for people to be excited and want to shout to the rafters that something they like/love is doing well. I don't see why it is necessary to tear that down.

 

WoW feels like the MTV of the MMO world. Too popular, yet nothing worthy. But that's just a personal opinion of course.

I was never the MTV person, but I respect the people who enjoy popular things. Just don't make a fuzz about it :) 

I think you sort of have it.

the problem here (which I think is hilarious) is that Video games seem to have a "classical" or more serious era. Suddenly there is a popularity and a lot of concepts that we find in popular movies/music find themselves now in video games.

There is absolutely nothing different here that hasn't gone before regarding how people react to something that takes hold in hte public's conscious. I know that many of you probably listen to some sort of rock, even if it's not "pop". Well, remember, when rock was first introduced there were many people who absolutely hated it and thought it  would never last. Heck, my mother thought it was a joke album the very first time she heard a rock record.

People... this is why we study history. so we understand the cycles of how humanity works. This is all old hat and nothing unexpected.

But see my Schoenberg example in my post above for all those who want to wrap themselves around something that's NOT popular ; )

Originally posted by Xtort

When Michael Jackson was selling like newspapers in the 80s, I was not listening to him. Same with the hip hop stuff today. I never owned a pop album, ever.

I don't eat at McDonalds when there are hundreds of millions of people in the world visiting McDonalds every day. It's not that I care about my health or anything, but just because people go there does NOT make me try those.

Same with the most popular movies. I never went to theatres for Titanic for example. Instead I want to go to a movie which I would enjoy, not to the movies people go in the opening weekend.

So let me get this straight.  You won't try some things just because they are popular?  Some times there are good reasons that something is popular.  Sure, there are some stupid fads that come and go and for awhile they are popular, but WoW isn't one of them.  WoW has been popular for 4 straight years now.  It's not some fad.  Now that doesn't mean that YOU will like it.  You may not.  But to avoid something JUST because it's popular is pretty narrow minded if you ask me.

Originally posted by Pappy13

Originally posted by Xtort

When Michael Jackson was selling like newspapers in the 80s, I was not listening to him. Same with the hip hop stuff today. I never owned a pop album, ever.

I don't eat at McDonalds when there are hundreds of millions of people in the world visiting McDonalds every day. It's not that I care about my health or anything, but just because people go there does NOT make me try those.

Same with the most popular movies. I never went to theatres for Titanic for example. Instead I want to go to a movie which I would enjoy, not to the movies people go in the opening weekend.

 

So let me get this straight.  You won't try some things just because they are popular?  Some times there are good reasons that something is popular.  Sure, there are some stupid fads that come and go and for awhile they are popular, but WoW isn't one of them.  WoW has been popular for 4 straight years now.  It's not some fad.  Now that doesn't mean that YOU will like it.  You may not.  But to avoid something JUST because it's popular is pretty narrow minded if you ask me.

Let it be Pappy13. these are youngsters, struggling with their attitude. No use discussing this.
 

I guess the man missed about every top 20 film ever produced, from the Godfather to Lord of the Ring trilogy etc....

In the meantime I met a fellow at the launching night of WotLK who complained to me he had lost 3 years in MMORPG gaming because he deliberatly refused to play Wow -  he found it too popular -.

I asked him ONE question: if he visited mmorpg.com.

Of course he answered yes. He was so thankful to the shopkeeper ( an avid Wow player) who advised him to give Wow a try. The guy was so sad to have begun with the game only a while ago. He now has a Death Knight made out of his main character. He doesn't stop talking about the bullshit being spread on mmorpg.com forums.

It shows just how sad this public is becoming.

Blizzard produces jewelry for pigs. I know this is harsh to say, but a lot of people deserve products like XXX and XXX.

Haven't see it on TV, but damn ozzy cracks me up. I watched it like 6 times, and laughed may ass off each time.

Classic!!!

Originally posted by bodypass

Let it be Pappy13. these are youngsters, struggling with their attitude. No use discussing this.
 

I guess the man missed about every top 20 film ever produced, from the Godfather to Lord of the Ring trilogy etc....

In the meantime I met a fellow at the launching night of WotLK who complained to me he had lost 3 years in MMORPG gaming because he deliberatly refused to play Wow -  he found it too popular -.

I asked him ONE question: if he visited mmorpg.com.

Of course he answered yes. He was so thankful to the shopkeeper ( an avid Wow player) who advised him to give Wow a try. The guy was so sad to have begun with the game only a while ago. He now has a Death Knight made out of his main character. He doesn't stop talking about the bullshit being spread on mmorpg.com forums.

It shows just how sad this public is becoming.

Blizzard produces jewelry for pigs. I know this is harsh to say, but a lot of people deserve products like XXX and XXX.

I have a collection of 500 DVDs which includes LOTR, Godfather (one of my favorite movies of all times) and Matrix. Yes, these were also popular but I enjoyed them. How would you explain this?

I am 32 years old, so I am not a youngster. Even my signature is from a movie, which you will fail to recognize. Go ahead and search it in the interwebs, because it DESCRIBES people like you!!!

Too bad Blizzard is not paying me a salary to put positive crap stuff in the forums. I would be a real fanatic if they did :) 

Xtort is full of fail

2.8mil in 24hrs is great for wow! Most should be pre-ordered.

Wow is going to sell like hot cakes for the next 2 months

Originally posted by Tridian

Originally posted by metalhead980

Originally posted by weaseltje

Originally posted by metalhead980

thats all? with 12 million players they only sold 2.8 million?

seriously I think that 12 million sub statement by blizzard is bullshit.

Think about it who the hell plays wow without all the Xpacs?

Anyway grats to blizzard on the Xpac, but i still think the sub number is fabricated to make them look good.

 

2.8 million during the first 24 hours, they don't say how much they sold so far.

This is verry good.

 

We will see, If WotLK doesnt equal the WoW playerbase in sales i call the sub number every fanboi waves in front of a non-WoW players face bullshit.

I actually have a few friends who are playing without the recent xpac. They dont have a high enough character to benefit from anything in the xpac so why  get it when you dont need it?

Actualy they only have to reach level 55 in the original game before they can roll a death knight. Also profession advancement is not character level specific.. The statment that there is nothing in the expansions for players below a certain level is completely false.
 

Originally posted by Xtort

Originally posted by Azrile

 

people like this crack me up.   You do realize the 2.8M copies it sold is only for NA and EU.   So 2.8M out of about 6M.    That means 50% of players bought the expansion..... wait for it..... ON THE FIRST DAY!!!.    Yes, if in 3 months,   only 50% of players have bought the expansion.. that might not be so good.  But we are talking about 'fanatic' people here.  We are talking about people who went out and bought the expansion as soon as it was available.

Another thing to remember.. In the 3 months before the expansion..  WOW vanilla was still on the best selling list.  Which means there are probably a substantial number of players who aren't even ready for Wrath yet.

So tell me about your game?  is it Warhammer with it's merging servers and box sales ranked at number 468 on sales charts?  Or is it AOC? (lol).   If WOW's sales are so abysmal, what game is doing good?

 

WoW has 2.5m NA and 2 m European subscribers - according to Blizzard itself. I wonder, when will you ever learn the fact that WoW does NOT have 6m NA+European customers. Seriously...

That information was from a year ago when there were only 10 million subscribers as well.  Since the subscribers has gone up to 11 million, it's a fair bet that these numbers have gone up too.  And with the release of WoTLK it's a fair bet that the subscribers number are now up even over 11 million, so it's pretty safe to assume the number of NA and EU subscribers is nearing the 5 million mark if not over it.

And you failed to even address his point which was that over 50% of the subscribers bought the expansion on the FIRST day.  That's pretty impressive no matter how you slice it.

Originally posted by Xtort

I have a collection of 500 DVDs which includes LOTR, Godfather (one of my favorite movies of all times) and Matrix. Yes, these were also popular but I enjoyed them. How would you explain this?

So then you concede that sometimes popular movies are indeed good movies?  In fact below is a list of the most popular movies of all time (based on box office).  How many of these movies would you say are good movies?

1. Titanic (1997) $600,779,824
2. The Dark Knight (2008) $529,696,290
3. Star Wars (1977) $460,935,665
4. Shrek 2 (2004) $436,471,036
5. E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial (1982) $434,949,459
6. Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999) $431,065,444
7. Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest (2006) $423,032,628
8. Spider-Man (2002) $403,706,375
9. Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005) $380,262,555
10. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003) $377,019,252
 

I'd say they are all good movies.  There's a couple that I don't personally like, but they are still good movies.  Isn't it possible that WoW is a good game that you just don't personally like?  That's not possible?