Originally posted by Zayne3145

Originally posted by Deathstrike2

I gotta say there's no way I'd run out and buy this game or any other without a handfull of credible reviews from established gaming magizines/sites or a free trial.  I've been burned too many times by buying into the hype and believing a dev or MMO company (AoC, VG, WAR, etc.).  No more.

Agree.

My days of impulse-buying MMO's is over after the AoC debacle. I just don't trust publishers or developers as far as I can throw them now. I don't even trust the reviews anymore. You just can't judge an MMO from a few hours play.

I shall wait patiently post-launch of DF and see what people's responses are after a few weeks of play. I did the same with WAR and am happy with my decision not to buy it.

I'd recommend a different approach - wait for a free trial and then form your own opinion.  I find that relying on the "responses" of others means absolutely nothing... it's simply their opinions, and more often than not very jaded opinions at that.

Originally posted by NeroScuro

Originally posted by zaxtor99

 

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Originally posted by 0muffins0

 

Ahh, now EA, Turbine and Blizzard entertainment make coal, but the mighty Aventurine company is producing "fusion power". Quite a stunning contrast there. No wonder some people might call you a "fanboy".

He didn't say Aventurine make fusion power, did he? No, he didn't, he said EA, Turbine and Blizzard don't innovate. Which they don't. No wonder some people might call you a "troll".

To be honest Aventurine does not innovate anything, old engine, old concepts from UO no innovation there.

Oh yes, sorry for mis-spelling the name of this mighty house-hold company name. I mean "Aventurine", wow. House hold name there. "EA games".. who's ever heard of "EA games". - Shame on me for misspelling your heroic company.

His point was - if you don't even know the name of the company, chances are you don't know the first thing about the game.

It was a stupid point on his part though. You only need to read your posts to know you don't know anything about Aventurine.

But I envy you. I wish I had never heard about EA, everything they've ever made is a disappointment.

There is definetly something wrong when you have to resort to fanbois to know anything about the company there is no information about that company ANYWHERE.

This was your response to how Aventurine is going to launch such a feature-rich mmo without ever releasing any other single player game before. You are WRONG. The people who programmed Eve Online had infact produced other games before working on Eve online. Not as the company behind eve, but before they were associated with Eve, yes. Eve online was not programmed by a bunch of people who had never before programmed before.

See my above post - you think Aventurine are made of rookie programmers just out of uni? That none of them have ever worked on a game before!? HAHAHAHAHA!!! Just shows how very little you know about Aventurine!

That "HAHAHAHA" really proved there are professional programmers that worked on a "AAA" title before working in ,DF can you name 5 programmers working on DF and their previous company's/known projects?

Yes, missing a feature or two with a few bugs ofcourse. But I think you'll have to agree that there is a HUGE difference between the launch of Lord of the Rings Online and the launch of Dark and Light. So with that, I think you are I are talking about completely different things.

Yes, and until Darkfall releases we won't know if it's a LoTR or a DnL, so let's not baselessly assume things before then, eh?

Baselessly?!?! 1 Month from release on a game that has been confirmed by the all mighty Tasos himself aswell as by many fanbois as "FEATURE COMPLETE" and people are still questioning if its real/there is any beta. This is enough I would think to assume alot of things really, just not what you want to hear.

Although hopefully it'll be like neither. They were both terrible.

I'd say I trust them and their opinions much more then "The Itialian Duo" and "Women Gamers" or whoever. I think PCGamer gave "AoC" a grade of like an 84% or something. I'd LOVE to see the grade that "Darkfall would get in contrast right now with its feature complete and running servers. {winks sarcastically}

It is feature complete and has running servers. What do you think the beta testers are playing on? Or are you another tin foiler? Hehehe.

What beta testers?! the friend of your friend who knows a guy? I like the "conspiracy theory remark" you made there, its a good way to put a shadow of doubt on the statement from OP very clever fanboi spinning, there is no conspiracy theory, simply no hard evidence everything I have seen/read could be easily fabricated or was conditioned to the company's supervision some would call that "biased" and unreliable.

Again, I make my point about reputable people and heard of reviewers with some kind of history and reputation.

I'd think the reputation of most 'reviewers' from gamespot and PCGamer would be reason enough not to go to them. Gamespot have been proven to change reviews based on bribes (amount of advertisement bought by companies on their site) and PCGamer are no better.

Also - MMORPG.it has a history. It's an Italian site, why is it so hard for you to comprehend that there are websites for other languages that you haven't heard of? Are you that small-minded?

No matter how hard you wish that to be true it does not hold in the real world, if you want credibility you go to a credible source that is how it works, it also has been mentioned and quoted that the 2 admins were under alot of restrictions to what they could post and not (note the DF logo on the Screens as well) some would call that "biased".

You know darn well what I'm talking about. But speaking of space aliens.. I'd fully expect you to be pointing at a new review of the game from space aliens as proof that Darkfall exists and is great if the thread was put up on the Darkfall forums by the mighty Tasos. You wouldn't even stop to ask yourself "Space Aliens". ;-)

You got owned.

Had no counter to ownage.

Weak attempt at trolling.

Fail.

I have seen this before on your "HAHAHA DF has professional programmers" 

Honestly, I'd trust anyone from ANY other website or gaming magazine concerning Darkfall then I would Tasos. Don't you think he might just be a little BIASED?? Oh no. Not him. Never! :-P

No you wouldn't, you've already proven you don't trust websites not in English OR the Greek news media.

Yep greek news and mmorpg.it that pretty much excludes all credible sources of information about gaming out there.

I come here once every few months or years to check in on the status. My question is why do you care so much about it and believe everything positive with such excitement with out asking yourself any logical questions or without any skepticism at all??

You got owned.

Had no counter to ownage.

Weak attempt at trolling by assuming the person you were quoting had no skepticism about Darkfall.

Fail.

Again nothing to say some gibberish and calling people trolls as a defense as usual

Nothing at all is innovation or the ideas of Darkfall. I love them actually. But sorry, I do ask questions. Especially after 6 years or 8 years or however many years we've been hearing this same hype over and over and over.

5 years. About the same amount of time we had to put up with hype about WoW, only for it to rescind countless ideas in favour of common denominatory favouring, idiot friendly crap.

Wow you really dont know the game has been in development and hyped for 7 years damn guess you dont know anything about DF after all.

"If something sounds too good to be true, it probably is" makes a helluva lot more sense then believing in all the Darkfall hype, trust me.
 

You could say that about every game currently about to be released. Here, let's take an example;

OMG Dawn of War 2 looks too good to be true! I'm really excited about it! But wait... if it's too good to be true, it probably is! OMFG!!! I must let others know the truth, in the only way I know how - by trolling every DoW2 forum available!!!

Imbecile.

Doesnt reallly matter how I round this up you wont understand the difference between a credible game company and a shady one and whats likely to be release and whats not. But hey lemme know how DUKE NUKEM FOREVER turns out to be.

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- Zaxx

 

 

CD Projekt > EA

I rest my case.

Darkfall troll wars, mroe fun to watch than the superball, anyone wants some popcorn?

Originally posted by beaverz

Darkfall troll wars, mroe fun to watch than the superball, anyone wants some popcorn?

Me!!!

Greetings all. I havn't read any posts in a while. Could somebody update me on this game? It's been about a month since I last read up on it. What is the status with the beta? Is it really open yet? Does anyone know anyone who has played it? Etc....

Originally posted by rav3n2

Originally posted by NeroScuro

Originally posted by zaxtor99

 

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Originally posted by 0muffins0

He didn't say Aventurine make fusion power, did he? No, he didn't, he said EA, Turbine and Blizzard don't innovate. Which they don't. No wonder some people might call you a "troll".

To be honest Aventurine does not innovate anything, old engine, old concepts from UO no innovation there.

And again, never said Aventurine innovate. I said EA, etc, don't.

Also, Aventurine made their own engine. How is that proof of their lack of innovation?

His point was - if you don't even know the name of the company, chances are you don't know the first thing about the game.

It was a stupid point on his part though. You only need to read your posts to know you don't know anything about Aventurine.

But I envy you. I wish I had never heard about EA, everything they've ever made is a disappointment.

There is definetly something wrong when you have to resort to fanbois to know anything about the company there is no information about that company ANYWHERE.

Because the company formed to create Darkfall..? Of course there isn't any info about the company, it hasn't done anything asides Darkfall!

See my above post - you think Aventurine are made of rookie programmers just out of uni? That none of them have ever worked on a game before!? HAHAHAHAHA!!! Just shows how very little you know about Aventurine!

That "HAHAHAHA" really proved there are professional programmers that worked on a "AAA" title before working in ,DF can you name 5 programmers working on DF and their previous company's/known projects?

You want me to trudge around the internet looking for CVs posted in Greek/Norwegian, assuming they've posted them online at all? No. Besides, there was a post on here not long ago detailing some of Tasos' work history that was immediately denounced by trolls as being 'unverifiably and therefore undoubtably wrong'.

Just for laughs, go get me the CVs of 5 of CCP's (of EVE fame) programmers. Go on, if finding 5 Greek/Norwegian CVs on the internet is as easy as you make it out to be, I'm sure you can find me 5 CVs written in Icelandic?

Yes, and until Darkfall releases we won't know if it's a LoTR or a DnL, so let's not baselessly assume things before then, eh?

Baselessly?!?! 1 Month from release on a game that has been confirmed by the all mighty Tasos himself aswell as by many fanbois as "FEATURE COMPLETE" and people are still questioning if its real/there is any beta. This is enough I would think to assume alot of things really, just not what you want to hear.

No, people are not questioning if it's real. Trolls were questioning that it was real. The game has been played in front of live audiences and there have been beta-leaks.

But not even the trolls are waving the 'g4m3 isnt r3al ti11 i haev it lol!!!1' card anymore, in face of the overwhelming evidence.

It is feature complete and has running servers. What do you think the beta testers are playing on? Or are you another tin foiler? Hehehe.

What beta testers?! the friend of your friend who knows a guy? I like the "conspiracy theory remark" you made there, its a good way to put a shadow of doubt on the statement from OP very clever fanboi spinning, there is no conspiracy theory, simply no hard evidence everything I have seen/read could be easily fabricated or was conditioned to the company's supervision some would call that "biased" and unreliable.

Greek news media reported on game.

Game played in front of live audience.

NDA -breaking leaks about the games.

Biggest MMO site in eastern europe reviews the game.

Greek government gives 10mil euros in funds.

 

But you're right, it could all be a conspiracy! All the people at the Athen's event, MMORPG.IT, the 'supposed' beta-leakers, and it goes all the way up to the GREEK GOVERNMENT! PUT YOUR TIN FOIL HATS ON BEFORE THEY GET YOU!!

I'd think the reputation of most 'reviewers' from gamespot and PCGamer would be reason enough not to go to them. Gamespot have been proven to change reviews based on bribes (amount of advertisement bought by companies on their site) and PCGamer are no better.

Also - MMORPG.it has a history. It's an Italian site, why is it so hard for you to comprehend that there are websites for other languages that you haven't heard of? Are you that small-minded?

No matter how hard you wish that to be true it does not hold in the real world, if you want credibility you go to a credible source that is how it works, it also has been mentioned and quoted that the 2 admins were under alot of restrictions to what they could post and not (note the DF logo on the Screens as well) some would call that "biased".

No, some would call it 'sensible' or, 'what every other MMO company ever has done'. Seriously, Blizzard/EA/whoever have never let reviewers have beta copies of their game then given them free reign to report on whatever they saw. Never.

You got owned.

Had no counter to ownage.

Weak attempt at trolling.

Fail.

I have seen this before on your "HAHAHA DF has professional programmers" 

You got owned.

Had no counter to ownage.

Nonsensical ranting about some previous owning I had delivered.

Fail.

No you wouldn't, you've already proven you don't trust websites not in English OR the Greek news media.

Yep greek news and mmorpg.it that pretty much excludes all credible sources of information about gaming out there.

Yep, the English-speaking world is the only credible source of gaming news. Sorry, hundreds of thousands of eastern-europeans, MMORPG.IT isn't credible because some random troll denounces it so!

You got owned.

Had no counter to ownage.

Weak attempt at trolling by assuming the person you were quoting had no skepticism about Darkfall.

Fail.

Again nothing to say some gibberish and calling people trolls as a defense as usual

I can't use the truth as a defense anymore!? Oh god, I'll have to resort to the same tactics as the trolls if I can't use truth or logic anymore!

5 years. About the same amount of time we had to put up with hype about WoW, only for it to rescind countless ideas in favour of common denominatory favouring, idiot friendly crap.

Wow you really dont know the game has been in development and hyped for 7 years damn guess you dont know anything about DF after all.

It's been in development for 5 years. Aventurine have worked on it for 5 years. They started from scratch. Ergo, development time = 5 years.

It's really not complicated.

You could say that about every game currently about to be released. Here, let's take an example;

OMG Dawn of War 2 looks too good to be true! I'm really excited about it! But wait... if it's too good to be true, it probably is! OMFG!!! I must let others know the truth, in the only way I know how - by trolling every DoW2 forum available!!!

Imbecile.

Doesnt reallly matter how I round this up you wont understand the difference between a credible game company and a shady one and whats likely to be release and whats not. But hey lemme know how DUKE NUKEM FOREVER turns out to be.

Shady? You pick that word up from TenSpotting? I thought that was a favourite of his... wouldn't surprise me if he emailed all you trolls-in-training to say 'toally use teh word shday shady it is plerfect becuz its ambu ambigio vogue enuf thta it cna mean anyfing!!1 also slim shady is my fav raper lol!!!1one'.

Haha, you trolls crack me up!

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- Zaxx

 

 

 

Originally posted by originalegg 

 

 

I chuckle a little everytime someone tries to bring up company experience as a negative thing against Aventurine's chances of releasing a kick ass game.  Very happy that that is what the naysayers are resorting to these days though.

i chuckle even more seeing all the frustration , the bickering, the hate towards the products of the so called "experienced developers" ...

Those experienct deveopers have brought us so many enjoyable and fun to play games as of lately ..we can't hide the pleasure playing them ...

"No, people are not questioning if it's real. Trolls were questioning that it was real. The game has been played in front of live audiences and there have been beta-leaks."

Didnt have to read any further than this, anyone questioning DF is a troll, this is the type of lunatics that are gonna make DF fall harder than it would otherwise if it ever releases...but what do I know its "FEATURE COMPLETE" and just needs stress testing so im patiently waiting for december to test it out.

Seeing as you've been wrong (and admitted it) about Darkfall on several occasions now, isn't time you kept quiet so as not to embarrass yourself?

Ok. So I got myself caught up. If I'm not mistaken the following are true. I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong. Probably in a very angry, accusatory fashion.

1. The Beta is still closed, or so limited as to be closed.

2. MMORPG.com does not have a copy of the NDA

3. The clamor between people who think the game is vapor or even complete myth vs those who think it's open beta and release are imminent has reached  a fevor pitch not seen since WWII.

Is this some kind of retarded joke?

Hundreds of games a year are released by dev companies as their debut product.  You would have to be stupid to not know that.

Look at that big list to the left of your screen and you will find many examples in the mmorpg genre.

Too good to be true would be "This is the best mmorpg ever and we will pay you $100 an hour to play it, and it doesn't have ads"

Originally posted by Lanmoragon

Originally posted by SignusM

Originally posted by zaxtor99

Come on. Let's look closely at all the current mmo games. Let's look at the powerhouse companies like Sony, Turbine, Blizzard, EA, and all the rest. Companies that have infinitely more resources and credentials in making mmo games then does this never before heralded "Adventurine" company.

Now let's take a close look at their list of features and some of the things that they promise will be included in this game. Things never before pulled off in an mmo.. and ummm Adventurine is going to pull all of this off?? ..Really?

Okay wait. Let's be fair here. Let's take a look at a simple game or two that someone that's producing Darkfall has released. You know. A single player game that shows their ability to produce and program sophisticated AI for example. Anything. What's that?? No previous video games ever released from anyone working for Adventurine?!? Not even a simple "snake" or "Brick Wall" game?? Ah come on. Surely there is something to give us at least a small shred of hope out there!

Supposedly a month before the promised retail launch to the public now and we still haven't got any CREDIBLE sources giving any accounts of their said game that they say is 'feature complete' and running without bugs. Not one gaming site like gamespot or PCGamer magazine huh? Nobody with any repuatation or serious credentials has given us an account of this amazing break-thru mmo yet huh?

Doesn't this all put any shred of doubt into any of you fans heads? I mean come on. I know that I am not the great and mighty "Tasos" speaking here, but try and give me even a small fraction of the respect and trust you give to him here and apply just a little rational thought. How can some of you seriously not have any doubts at all?

I don't know. Even with everything else not looked at or even considered... I have to take a look at their feature list and their promises and apply that age-old saying.. "If it sounds too good to be true, then more then likely it is". And call me crazy, but I trust that old adage way more then anything the mighty Tasos ever tells us.

Silly me I guess.

- Zaxx

Almost all of the features in Darkfall were in very early MMOs, but they haven't been put into more modern ones. You know why? Because WoW proved all you need is a very simple and easy game to make billions, so no one bothers.

That's why all the REAL MMO players are dying for Darkfall, because we haven't had someone try to make a quality, and different MMO since 1999

 

So the millions of people playing WoW, EQ2, LoTRO, WAR, AOC, DDO, etc. are not REAL MMO players?  Are they fake?  I guess I am a fake MMO player.  I guess I can only be real if I hop on the Darfall band wagon because of its proposed hardcore features.  /cry

Nope, you are not a fake MMO player. You are a 2nd generation/new school/post-WoW/whatever you want to tag it MMO player.

To put the post you replied to in a better light. There are many of us who want an old school, retro 1st gen MMO done with modern tech, albeit, there are many less of us left than there are new MMO players. What WoW did was popularize MMOs to a level that is just amazing, but, by doing so, they've crippled the genre of MMO that some of us enjoy because they showed that there are BILLIONS waiting to be made and everyone wants to make the next WoW.

For the new WoW generation (not all are WoW players, it's just that without WoW there wouldn't be LoTRO, WAR, AoC, DDO, at least not in current form) there are plenty of games to choose from currently and lots more coming out. For us older MMO players we have the old games to throw back to or to wait on DF or Mortal.

I think they'll deliver...the issue will be keeping them from selling out to carebears and starting to soften the game.

Originally posted by Blodpls

Is this some kind of retarded joke?

Hundreds of games a year are released by dev companies as their debut product.  You would have to be stupid to not know that.

Look at that big list to the left of your screen and you will find many examples in the mmorpg genre.

Too good to be true would be "This is the best mmorpg ever and we will pay $100 you an hour to play it, and it doesn't have ads"

 

Hell, too good to be true would be it's the best MMO ever and they pay you $100 an hour to play with ads.

Originally posted by NeroScuro

Originally posted by rav3n2

Originally posted by NeroScuro

Originally posted by zaxtor99

 

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Originally posted by 0muffins0

He didn't say Aventurine make fusion power, did he? No, he didn't, he said EA, Turbine and Blizzard don't innovate. Which they don't. No wonder some people might call you a "troll".

To be honest Aventurine does not innovate anything, old engine, old concepts from UO no innovation there.

And again, never said Aventurine innovate. I said EA, etc, don't.

Also, Aventurine made their own engine. How is that proof of their lack of innovation?

His point was - if you don't even know the name of the company, chances are you don't know the first thing about the game.

It was a stupid point on his part though. You only need to read your posts to know you don't know anything about Aventurine.

But I envy you. I wish I had never heard about EA, everything they've ever made is a disappointment.

There is definetly something wrong when you have to resort to fanbois to know anything about the company there is no information about that company ANYWHERE.

Because the company formed to create Darkfall..? Of course there isn't any info about the company, it hasn't done anything asides Darkfall!

See my above post - you think Aventurine are made of rookie programmers just out of uni? That none of them have ever worked on a game before!? HAHAHAHAHA!!! Just shows how very little you know about Aventurine!

That "HAHAHAHA" really proved there are professional programmers that worked on a "AAA" title before working in ,DF can you name 5 programmers working on DF and their previous company's/known projects?

You want me to trudge around the internet looking for CVs posted in Greek/Norwegian, assuming they've posted them online at all? No. Besides, there was a post on here not long ago detailing some of Tasos' work history that was immediately denounced by trolls as being 'unverifiably and therefore undoubtably wrong'.

Just for laughs, go get me the CVs of 5 of CCP's (of EVE fame) programmers. Go on, if finding 5 Greek/Norwegian CVs on the internet is as easy as you make it out to be, I'm sure you can find me 5 CVs written in Icelandic?

Yes, and until Darkfall releases we won't know if it's a LoTR or a DnL, so let's not baselessly assume things before then, eh?

Baselessly?!?! 1 Month from release on a game that has been confirmed by the all mighty Tasos himself aswell as by many fanbois as "FEATURE COMPLETE" and people are still questioning if its real/there is any beta. This is enough I would think to assume alot of things really, just not what you want to hear.

No, people are not questioning if it's real. Trolls were questioning that it was real. The game has been played in front of live audiences and there have been beta-leaks.

But not even the trolls are waving the 'g4m3 isnt r3al ti11 i haev it lol!!!1' card anymore, in face of the overwhelming evidence.

It is feature complete and has running servers. What do you think the beta testers are playing on? Or are you another tin foiler? Hehehe.

What beta testers?! the friend of your friend who knows a guy? I like the "conspiracy theory remark" you made there, its a good way to put a shadow of doubt on the statement from OP very clever fanboi spinning, there is no conspiracy theory, simply no hard evidence everything I have seen/read could be easily fabricated or was conditioned to the company's supervision some would call that "biased" and unreliable.

Greek news media reported on game.

Game played in front of live audience.

NDA -breaking leaks about the games.

Biggest MMO site in eastern europe reviews the game.

Greek government gives 10mil euros in funds.

 

But you're right, it could all be a conspiracy! All the people at the Athen's event, MMORPG.IT, the 'supposed' beta-leakers, and it goes all the way up to the GREEK GOVERNMENT! PUT YOUR TIN FOIL HATS ON BEFORE THEY GET YOU!!

I'd think the reputation of most 'reviewers' from gamespot and PCGamer would be reason enough not to go to them. Gamespot have been proven to change reviews based on bribes (amount of advertisement bought by companies on their site) and PCGamer are no better.

Also - MMORPG.it has a history. It's an Italian site, why is it so hard for you to comprehend that there are websites for other languages that you haven't heard of? Are you that small-minded?

No matter how hard you wish that to be true it does not hold in the real world, if you want credibility you go to a credible source that is how it works, it also has been mentioned and quoted that the 2 admins were under alot of restrictions to what they could post and not (note the DF logo on the Screens as well) some would call that "biased".

No, some would call it 'sensible' or, 'what every other MMO company ever has done'. Seriously, Blizzard/EA/whoever have never let reviewers have beta copies of their game then given them free reign to report on whatever they saw. Never.

You got owned.

Had no counter to ownage.

Weak attempt at trolling.

Fail.

I have seen this before on your "HAHAHA DF has professional programmers" 

You got owned.

Had no counter to ownage.

Nonsensical ranting about some previous owning I had delivered.

Fail.

No you wouldn't, you've already proven you don't trust websites not in English OR the Greek news media.

Yep greek news and mmorpg.it that pretty much excludes all credible sources of information about gaming out there.

Yep, the English-speaking world is the only credible source of gaming news. Sorry, hundreds of thousands of eastern-europeans, MMORPG.IT isn't credible because some random troll denounces it so!

You got owned.

Had no counter to ownage.

Weak attempt at trolling by assuming the person you were quoting had no skepticism about Darkfall.

Fail.

Again nothing to say some gibberish and calling people trolls as a defense as usual

I can't use the truth as a defense anymore!? Oh god, I'll have to resort to the same tactics as the trolls if I can't use truth or logic anymore!

5 years. About the same amount of time we had to put up with hype about WoW, only for it to rescind countless ideas in favour of common denominatory favouring, idiot friendly crap.

Wow you really dont know the game has been in development and hyped for 7 years damn guess you dont know anything about DF after all.

It's been in development for 5 years. Aventurine have worked on it for 5 years. They started from scratch. Ergo, development time = 5 years.

It's really not complicated.

You could say that about every game currently about to be released. Here, let's take an example;

OMG Dawn of War 2 looks too good to be true! I'm really excited about it! But wait... if it's too good to be true, it probably is! OMFG!!! I must let others know the truth, in the only way I know how - by trolling every DoW2 forum available!!!

Imbecile.

Doesnt reallly matter how I round this up you wont understand the difference between a credible game company and a shady one and whats likely to be release and whats not. But hey lemme know how DUKE NUKEM FOREVER turns out to be.

Shady? You pick that word up from TenSpotting? I thought that was a favourite of his... wouldn't surprise me if he emailed all you trolls-in-training to say 'toally use teh word shday shady it is plerfect becuz its ambu ambigio vogue enuf thta it cna mean anyfing!!1 also slim shady is my fav raper lol!!!1one'.

Haha, you trolls crack me up!

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- Zaxx

 

 

 

 

 

(pretty mutch ur the man Necro)

Darkfall aside, I can't believe there's still someone so fucking stupid that thinks that having a long history in game development is somekind of assurance of quality. See that list on the left? Most of those are either failures or just copies of each other (with a different skin), and many of those tittles are from big, experienced companies. With EVE online as a shining star, developed by a newb company that prior to EVE had only made one board game (with a staff that had very little experience about computer games).

Fuck big game companies, what we need is more indies. If Aventurine fails, have fun sucking those WoW tits for the next 10 years.

Originally posted by skeaser

 Nope, you are not a fake MMO player. You are a 2nd generation/new school/post-WoW/whatever you want to tag it MMO player.

To put the post you replied to in a better light. There are many of us who want an old school, retro 1st gen MMO done with modern tech, albeit, there are many less of us left than there are new MMO players. What WoW did was popularize MMOs to a level that is just amazing, but, by doing so, they've crippled the genre of MMO that some of us enjoy because they showed that there are BILLIONS waiting to be made and everyone wants to make the next WoW.

For the new WoW generation (not all are WoW players, it's just that without WoW there wouldn't be LoTRO, WAR, AoC, DDO, at least not in current form) there are plenty of games to choose from currently and lots more coming out. For us older MMO players we have the old games to throw back to or to wait on DF or Mortal.

I agree with most of your points, Except the DDO point.. I don't think DDO falls into the WoW catagory. I believe it lies more at the roots of MMORPGs.. the RPG part.. where you actually QUEST.. If the quests are only instanced.. it's a kin to REAL dungeons and dragons.. VS the virtual Epeen that most games equate to.

Wow lowered the bar for players.. sadly.. the root most people take is the easiest one..

Originally posted by Moosejooce

I think they'll deliver...the issue will be keeping them from selling out to carebears and starting to soften the game.

Probably the most accurate post in the thread.

Will DF have some disappointments? Probably. Especially people expecting anything like WOW.

Will DF have some amazing, awe-inspiring moments? Probably. I think the 'environmental' stuff in Darkfall (wind/weather/shadows/sunsets/sunrises) is pretty underrated and will blow people away in-game.

Regardless, the MMO industry *needs* more variety and more innovation, and DF is going where the 'big' companies are too scared to go.

if DF delivers decent gameplay, it will be a hit, no doubt about it. it's biggest limitation -- subscriber number-wise -- will come from the full-loot, friendly-fire aspect.

Will they have to soften up the game somewhat? eg: more roaming NPC guards around towns? yeah maybe, and i'm ok with it; the fundamentals of the game are strong and a working, living game with a few adjustments is better than a hardcore game with noone playing.

 Some of the dumbest trolls I've ever seen.

Aventurine is not credible?

OH SO WE SHOULD TRUST SOE, EA, FUNCOM, ETC....