I was just wondering why there is so much players that dont actually play the game complaining, i m having a great time playing WAR. I m not hardcore, far from it, i work and actually have a life and WAR is just great in the way that i dont have to do a 7-8 hour raid to win nothing to play it.

That's why scenarios are so populares, people in the boards dont think about it because most are way too hardcore, but for us, normal players, it's a lot easier to get a quick pvp fix by joining a scenario, doing one or two, feeling we have achieve something (xp/rp and loot) and just leave after a bit.

I understand WAR has it's problem but for me, it's the only MMO i can actually play... and have fun

Scenarios are popular becaus they reward both sides unlike RVR lakes which only rewards attackers who are successful.    it doesn't take 7 - 8 hours to go after any of the Open World objectives unless there's a steady stream of defenders / attackers and thats incredibly rare.  People play Scenarios because they're techincally still more 'rewarding' on an equal level than Open RVR.  THe game is designed to work around the Open RVR...those of us that ARE players that ARE complaining complain because Scenarios took away from the main reason we got into the game its also destroying any chance of reaching End Game since not enough people ever show up to do anything.

Scenarios were meant to be something to do during non prime time hours and for casuals it was NOT meant to be the heavy focus  of the entire populace.  As it stands now when my subs runs out in december I will not be resubscribing until they fix the issues between Open RVR & Scenarios and if that means making a server thats Scenario less then I'll take it.  I'm essentially staying long enough to see what they do with Patch 1.1.   

 I think Scenarios are fun but I hate that if i want to PVP I have to essentially play the same couple of Scenarios over and over and over again.  I'm not paying 15 dollars a month to play a game style i can play for free with an FPS game.

btw the fact that you say Open RvR raids take 7- 8 hours shows you've never even attempted any of it which is a shame.  I'm a casual player myself with only 2 or 3 hours a night to play and before things went completely crap I was able to take several keeps sometimes even with defenders holding us off and tons of OB's with it taking us a max of 2 to 3 hours sometimes 4 if it was a huge skirmish.

Originally posted by banthis

Scenarios are popular becaus they reward both sides unlike RVR lakes which only rewards attackers who are successful.    it doesn't take 7 - 8 hours to go after any of the Open World objectives unless there's a steady stream of defenders / attackers and thats incredibly rare.  People play Scenarios because they're techincally still more 'rewarding' on an equal level than Open RVR.  THe game is designed to work around the Open RVR...those of us that ARE players that ARE complaining complain because Scenarios took away from the main reason we got into the game its also destroying any chance of reaching End Game since not enough people ever show up to do anything.

Scenarios were meant to be something to do during non prime time hours and for casuals it was NOT meant to be the heavy focus  of the entire populace.  As it stands now when my subs runs out in december I will not be resubscribing until they fix the issues between Open RVR & Scenarios and if that means making a server thats Scenario less then I'll take it.  I'm essentially staying long enough to see what they do with Patch 1.1.   

 I think Scenarios are fun but I hate that if i want to PVP I have to essentially play the same couple of Scenarios over and over and over again.  I'm not paying 15 dollars a month to play a game style i can play for free with an FPS game.

btw the fact that you say Open RvR raids take 7- 8 hours shows you've never even attempted any of it which is a shame.  I'm a casual player myself with only 2 or 3 hours a night to play and before things went completely crap I was able to take several keeps sometimes even with defenders holding us off and tons of OB's with it taking us a max of 2 to 3 hours sometimes 4 if it was a huge skirmish.

Please reread my post, has i never even talked about oRVR, i was just comparing to other mmo, where you have to do 7-8 hour raids to get gear in PVE... In  WAR i dont have to waste time in PvE and having a chance to win nothing in return...

I have done oRVR raids that took one or two hours, and i never complained about the oRvR, i was just talking about the way people complain too much about Scenarios and that for casual players, it's better to do scenarios than being gimped for not doing 7-8 hours instances.... (please check that i didnt edit the original post and i didnt talk about oRVR)

(hell i know my english sucks, but is it that bad :D )

Title should read: Why is there so many people who don't play the game complaining, but thats neither here nor there. The problem is because they were playing and people like you respond to them when they complain. Why won't people get that. If you give a complainer ammo he/she is going to keep using it and keep talking. But if you IGNORE a complainer you will stop seeing complaints. Im a complainer but thats my right i purchased the game and i feel the game isn't up to par. Whats worse then a complainer though is a person complaining about a complainer. Kinda hypocritical ya think?

Title should read: Why are there so many people who don't play the game complaining, but that's neither here nor there.

I am told that since they have paid for the game they are entitled to complain.

It all depends on the individual, i have bought many a game (MMO) that i dont like and am not on their section of the forum complaining.

People expected too much and then got dissappointed. Some can take that and move on, some post their opinion and then move on and then some keep slagging the game off and are ultimately prelonging their own agony lol before they move on.

Originally posted by naldric

Originally posted by banthis

Scenarios are popular becaus they reward both sides unlike RVR lakes which only rewards attackers who are successful.    it doesn't take 7 - 8 hours to go after any of the Open World objectives unless there's a steady stream of defenders / attackers and thats incredibly rare.  People play Scenarios because they're techincally still more 'rewarding' on an equal level than Open RVR.  THe game is designed to work around the Open RVR...those of us that ARE players that ARE complaining complain because Scenarios took away from the main reason we got into the game its also destroying any chance of reaching End Game since not enough people ever show up to do anything.

Scenarios were meant to be something to do during non prime time hours and for casuals it was NOT meant to be the heavy focus  of the entire populace.  As it stands now when my subs runs out in december I will not be resubscribing until they fix the issues between Open RVR & Scenarios and if that means making a server thats Scenario less then I'll take it.  I'm essentially staying long enough to see what they do with Patch 1.1.   

 I think Scenarios are fun but I hate that if i want to PVP I have to essentially play the same couple of Scenarios over and over and over again.  I'm not paying 15 dollars a month to play a game style i can play for free with an FPS game.

btw the fact that you say Open RvR raids take 7- 8 hours shows you've never even attempted any of it which is a shame.  I'm a casual player myself with only 2 or 3 hours a night to play and before things went completely crap I was able to take several keeps sometimes even with defenders holding us off and tons of OB's with it taking us a max of 2 to 3 hours sometimes 4 if it was a huge skirmish.

 

Please reread my post, has i never even talked about oRVR, i was just comparing to other mmo, where you have to do 7-8 hour raids to get gear in PVE... In  WAR i dont have to waste time in PvE and having a chance to win nothing in return...

I have done oRVR raids that took one or two hours, and i never complained about the oRvR, i was just talking about the way people complain too much about Scenarios and that for casual players, it's better to do scenarios than being gimped for not doing 7-8 hours instances.... (please check that i didnt edit the original post and i didnt talk about oRVR)

(hell i know my english sucks, but is it that bad :D )

If you mean WoW by that you're about 4 years behind the times.

Originally posted by naldric

I was just wondering why there is so much players that dont actually play the game complaining, i m having a great time playing WAR. I m not hardcore, far from it, i work and actually have a life and WAR is just great in the way that i dont have to do a 7-8 hour raid to win nothing to play it.

That's why scenarios are so populares, people in the boards dont think about it because most are way too hardcore, but for us, normal players, it's a lot easier to get a quick pvp fix by joining a scenario, doing one or two, feeling we have achieve something (xp/rp and loot) and just leave after a bit.

I understand WAR has it's problem but for me, it's the only MMO i can actually play... and have fun

Most of us bought Warhammer because we were expecting a game like DAoC with large scale oRvR.   I'm glad you enjoy scenarios, but for most of us, that is not why we laid down $50.

And just a note.  If you like to do small, pvp skirmishes, why not pick up a game like CoD or Guildwars where they are done better and you don't have to pay $15/month.

Warhammer is in a tough spot right now.   Scenarios are the same as battlegrounds in WOW, yet WOW offers a ton of other things to do to merit the $15/month.    Scenarios are also done in a host of other games that are free to play after the box sale.

A scenario based game is not compatible with a subscription based model, which is why you see so many people quitting and complaining.

Ask yourself this.. how many months are you going to pay $15/month to do SP over and over again?

Simple, it s nothing like alot of people were expecting. Design flaw of giving better exp/renown for scenarios, oh hell even having those stupid instanced FPS type things in a game thats meant to be ORVR. I was in beta and ORVR was all over and i thought wow this is what i remember of DAOC, well it could have been like that but Mythic screwed it up by putting those damn things in this game. I won t return till either they remove them or make servers without them. Also some other fixes but no need to go into that since scenarios are my main beef.

Originally posted by Deto123

Simple, it s nothing like alot of people were expecting. Design flaw of giving better exp/renown for scenarios, oh hell even having those stupid instanced FPS type things in a game thats meant to be ORVR. I was in beta and ORVR was all over and i thought wow this is what i remember of DAOC, well it could have been like that but Mythic screwed it up by putting those damn things in this game. I won t return till either they remove them or make servers without them. Also some other fixes but no need to go into that since scenarios are my main beef.

That is something that is wrong with betas nowadays.   When people are in beta, they mostly play just to have fun 'in the moment'.  They don't think as much about long-term progression for their characters.   You don't go into a beta and 'grind' scenarios to max out your renown/hour.    You flock into the RvR lakes and have fun, without a care in the world as to how fast your character is progressing.

Because the RvR lakes in beta were full of players, and the scenarios weren't really played much, it gave mythic the idea to increase the renown in scenarios even more.

You mentioned scenarios and that they're good fun and popular...totally glossing over the fact scenarios are the reasong people are LEAVING the game.

Originally posted by Pheace

Originally posted by naldric

Originally posted by banthis

Scenarios are popular becaus they reward both sides unlike RVR lakes which only rewards attackers who are successful.    it doesn't take 7 - 8 hours to go after any of the Open World objectives unless there's a steady stream of defenders / attackers and thats incredibly rare.  People play Scenarios because they're techincally still more 'rewarding' on an equal level than Open RVR.  THe game is designed to work around the Open RVR...those of us that ARE players that ARE complaining complain because Scenarios took away from the main reason we got into the game its also destroying any chance of reaching End Game since not enough people ever show up to do anything.

Scenarios were meant to be something to do during non prime time hours and for casuals it was NOT meant to be the heavy focus  of the entire populace.  As it stands now when my subs runs out in december I will not be resubscribing until they fix the issues between Open RVR & Scenarios and if that means making a server thats Scenario less then I'll take it.  I'm essentially staying long enough to see what they do with Patch 1.1.   

 I think Scenarios are fun but I hate that if i want to PVP I have to essentially play the same couple of Scenarios over and over and over again.  I'm not paying 15 dollars a month to play a game style i can play for free with an FPS game.

btw the fact that you say Open RvR raids take 7- 8 hours shows you've never even attempted any of it which is a shame.  I'm a casual player myself with only 2 or 3 hours a night to play and before things went completely crap I was able to take several keeps sometimes even with defenders holding us off and tons of OB's with it taking us a max of 2 to 3 hours sometimes 4 if it was a huge skirmish.

 

Please reread my post, has i never even talked about oRVR, i was just comparing to other mmo, where you have to do 7-8 hour raids to get gear in PVE... In  WAR i dont have to waste time in PvE and having a chance to win nothing in return...

I have done oRVR raids that took one or two hours, and i never complained about the oRvR, i was just talking about the way people complain too much about Scenarios and that for casual players, it's better to do scenarios than being gimped for not doing 7-8 hours instances.... (please check that i didnt edit the original post and i didnt talk about oRVR)

(hell i know my english sucks, but is it that bad :D )

 

If you mean WoW by that you're about 4 years behind the times.

Nah, as he mentioning 7-8 hour raids I think he's talking about EQ, so he's 7 years behind the times.

OP.

They hate the game and don't want it to succeed. Maybe they're hoping that by sh*tting in Mythic's yard, they might be able to get people to leave or decide not to play.

Obviously, they aren't interested in improving the game. If they were they'd just bug it or write Mythic and leave it at that.

op:

They are a bunch of ppl that got left behind in there old game and fear change for change sake. Their minds are closed to a new experiances, prefering the 'known' to the scary unknown world of another game. That and the mommies didn't cough up $50 for them to play it and are now resentful of people with money.

Or maybe they are seeing the two biggest releases for MMOs take a swan dive and want to advise the developers of new MMOs what went wrong.

How can a 4 year old game dominate the market the way WoW has?  Simply they are ahead of the trend.  Or at least have a good response to anyone who has an idea.

It seems there's certain types who complain about a game who have never even played it. They're usually easy to spot as they won't have anything bad said about their chosen game and can't help talking about this chosen game even when the subject has nothing to do it. So what's the point of arguing or debating with them? Complaining is good, there isn't a perfect game out there. If you don't complain or criticise you deserve the shit you'll be served.

I really enjoy the game, but I must admit it feels rather empty. Which sucks because I can tell that if the game had a big community things would be a lot of fun. Especially all those RvR zones that I never see anyone in. I think its time they cut the servers to half, so the game will feel massive instead of massively empty. Just my 2 cents.