A video to show what good, challenging PVE should be like, instead of the easymode faceroll that WoW PVE has become:

http://www.warhammermovies.com/movieview.php?id=1389

Lost Vale is the tier 3 instance that drops the epic Darkpromise tier 3 set, there are harder instances and city raid instances (not the early raid introduction bastion stair raid which anyone can do at 40) to be unlocked by conquering the other faction's areas in the PVP campaign. But it's already harder than anything in WOTLK :)

A couple of notes about the video (which is a few weeks old):

- Kiting the small spiders on spider boss doesn't work any more

- The hero add on lizard boss gives better loot from main boss if killed before killing main boss

- Some of the boss abilities were changed to make the fight harder (usually) or more interesting/different (less often)

- Shamans and archmages can no longer instant ress in combat (which they do constantly in this video)

Still, WARs AI isn't that impressing. Even if it is a litle harder than WOTLK, it is still kinda easy.

Difficult level have never been Wows salespoint anyways, Wow have many other good points instead. People who want's hard games play something else.

And if you want good mob AI you should try Spellborn, yeah it have other issues but bosses are really smart there compare to most games.

Sorry but WAR have what? 5 dungeons? No way that measure up to wow.

In PvP however I like WAR even if it feels a bit slow sometimes, but PvE just isn't WARs thing.

I'm trying to think of what "easymode faceroll" PvE content that you have been playing in WoW, but all I can think of are regular dungeons perhaps like deadmines or something. Have you even done any end game raiding? Most of those fights in the video looked like easier versions of fights from WoW, there are plenty of gimmick fights in WoW just like those, and more fights in WoW IMO that are much more difficult than what I saw in that video.

It seemed like the majority of that was /yawn tank-spank-n-heal, and then watch out for the one or two gimmicks that the boss has. In WoW you are usually dealing with multiple gimmicks at once that everyone has to pay attention to constantly, every player having to play strategicly for each phase of the fight on top ofeach player using basic cooperation, or else it could lead to a wipe.

Originally posted by Aeroangel

I'm trying to think of what "easymode faceroll" PvE content that you have been playing in WoW, but all I can think of are regular dungeons perhaps like deadmines or something. Have you even done any end game raiding? Most of those fights in the video looked like easier versions of fights from WoW, there are plenty of gimmick fights in WoW just like those, and more fights in WoW IMO that are much more difficult than what I saw in that video.

It seemed like the majority of that was /yawn tank-spank-n-heal, and then watch out for the one or two gimmicks that the boss has. In WoW you are usually dealing with multiple gimmicks at once that everyone has to pay attention to constantly, every player having to play strategicly for each phase of the fight on top ofeach player using basic cooperation, or else it could lead to a wipe.

I cleared BT when lolglaives were still rare, and Sunwell including KJ when it was hard, after the first M'uru nerf on pushback though :) Sunwell was good, hard PVE.

WotLK is a joke, it's a very poor PVE game made for people who can't play their classes properly but can still get all the epix and bosskills good players get. Lost Vale is much harder, more exciting and more rewarding than any of the raid content in WoW now.

That was challenging?  Maybe I missed something. /shrug

Ow, the WAR fanboi planned his next assault! 

Rofl, best PvP WAR will ever provide it seems, forum WAR :p

Edit: Anyone who believes this guy actually played Wotlk and knows what he's talking about, please... lol, supposedly his guild cleared all the raid content in a week or so yet he won't name them nor his characters. He's been condemning Wotlk PvP mechanics from the start yet doesn't seem to realize his 74 character (last time he did that) isn't even *able* to experience the new PvP Wotlk offers ... rofl.

At least he's trying though :p

Originally posted by Greyhooff

A video to show what good, challenging PVE should be like, instead of the easymode faceroll that WoW PVE has become:

http://www.warhammermovies.com/movieview.php?id=1389

Lost Vale is the tier 3 instance that drops the epic Darkpromise tier 3 set, there are harder instances and city raid instances (not the early raid introduction bastion stair raid which anyone can do at 40) to be unlocked by conquering the other faction's areas in the PVP campaign. But it's already harder than anything in WOTLK :)

A couple of notes about the video (which is a few weeks old):

- Kiting the small spiders on spider boss doesn't work any more

- The hero add on lizard boss gives better loot from main boss if killed before killing main boss

- Some of the boss abilities were changed to make the fight harder (usually) or more interesting/different (less often)

- Shamans and archmages can no longer instant ress in combat (which they do constantly in this video)

Hey greyhooff, how are those server mergers working out in Warhammer.  If the gameplay is so much fun, why are players abandoning the game?   How many of Warhammer serverss now give you a 'warning' when you log in telling you to transfer off your server because it is dead.   Last count was like 60% of servers are offering the life raft?

WOW launched another 4 servers this weekend.  That brings the total to about 26 NEW servers in the last two weeks.   This terrible game sold 2.8M copies in the first 24hrs, and remains on the bestseller lists.  How is Warhammer doing?  Oh yeah.. it's down to number 498 on the selling charts.

You can post your opinions here all you want.  But the mass exodus from Warhammer and the huge growth of WOW (a 4 year old game) clearly shows which game players find more fun.

How long was Tabula Rosa out?  Lets see if warhammer can survive that long.  EA already pulled the plug on 4 MMORPGs for underperforming.. i'm sure they are watching those ' life raft' servers closely.

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by Greyhooff

A video to show what good, challenging PVE should be like, instead of the easymode faceroll that WoW PVE has become:

http://www.warhammermovies.com/movieview.php?id=1389

Lost Vale is the tier 3 instance that drops the epic Darkpromise tier 3 set, there are harder instances and city raid instances (not the early raid introduction bastion stair raid which anyone can do at 40) to be unlocked by conquering the other faction's areas in the PVP campaign. But it's already harder than anything in WOTLK :)

A couple of notes about the video (which is a few weeks old):

- Kiting the small spiders on spider boss doesn't work any more

- The hero add on lizard boss gives better loot from main boss if killed before killing main boss

- Some of the boss abilities were changed to make the fight harder (usually) or more interesting/different (less often)

- Shamans and archmages can no longer instant ress in combat (which they do constantly in this video)

 

Hey greyhooff, how are those server mergers working out in Warhammer.  If the gameplay is so much fun, why are players abandoning the game?   How many of Warhammer serverss now give you a 'warning' when you log in telling you to transfer off your server because it is dead.   Last count was like 60% of servers are offering the life raft?

WOW launched another 4 servers this weekend.  That brings the total to about 26 NEW servers in the last two weeks.   This terrible game sold 2.8M copies in the first 24hrs, and remains on the bestseller lists.  How is Warhammer doing?  Oh yeah.. it's down to number 498 on the selling charts.

You can post your opinions here all you want.  But the mass exodus from Warhammer and the huge growth of WOW (a 4 year old game) clearly shows which game players find more fun.

How long was Tabula Rosa out?  Lets see if warhammer can survive that long.  EA already pulled the plug on 4 MMORPGs for underperforming.. i'm sure they are watching those ' life raft' servers closely.

I hope they do pull the plug, then they can concentrate on their real game DAOC. Just update that game from it s first 3 years and you ll see a huge pop increase.

Why would you resort to bragging about PvE in a game that was supposedly so PvP-oriented? Especially in a game that encourages people to skip the PvE content by PvPing for experience?

Been playing Warhammer since it released.  It was fun for about a week until I realized it's nothing more than doing Scenarios until you level out of the zone.  I will occasionally do PQ's for fast good loot.  Now understand I'm not finishing the PQ, I'm grinding the first part because the zone is DEAD and there is NOBODY to group with.

They didn't give us Slayers, they hosed the Lore to the point you have to forget most of what you've read over the last 25 years.

I resubbed to WoW a week ago and I forgot how much fun it was.  I haven't logged onto WAR since I logged back into WoW.

If they bring slayers I might play again.  That is the ONLY thing that would bring me back. 

It's so boring I'm not sure even that would keep me in the game long.

I seriously cant believe this tool (Greyhooff) is still at it......... How many WoW hating topics will you post? How many WaR is better than WoW will you post? One person I recall asked for your toons's name, guild and server so he could see your BS'ing and you just ignore it and go about you hate filled ways. Let me sum this up for you. All of us here know what WaR is, so we dont need you to tell us. Coming into the WoW forums and spreading your garbage does not make me want to play WaR again. So please stop wasting everyones time. No one cares what you have to say. Go play WaR with your little buddies and pray it lasts another couple months before it goes the way of TR and is canned.  And when it does please stay away from WoW, for most of us enjoy our game and do not need the likes of you.

Originally posted by Deto123 

I hope they do pull the plug, then they can concentrate on their real game DAOC. Just update that game from it s first 3 years and you ll see a huge pop increase.

This ... One of my primary issues with WAR was why EA didn't simply build on DAoC.  Instead we got some half-baked game that somehow punted on what made Mythic so successful: RvR. 

Originally posted by Pheace

Ow, the WAR fanboi planned his next assault! 

 

Rofl, best PvP WAR will ever provide it seems, forum WAR :p

 

 

Edit: Anyone who believes this guy actually played Wotlk and knows what he's talking about, please... lol, supposedly his guild cleared all the raid content in a week or so yet he won't name them nor his characters. He's been condemning Wotlk PvP mechanics from the start yet doesn't seem to realize his 74 character (last time he did that) isn't even *able* to experience the new PvP Wotlk offers ... rofl.

 

At least he's trying though :p

Haha awesome!  =)

Honestly Greyhoff is a WAR fanboi spindoctor.

He hasn't seen anything and the fact, when he talked about challenges, saying "his guild did this and that, when it was hard", just shows how easier it makes us to know what we already knew, that he was talking crap out of his bloody arse.

Seriously, when it comes to tough as hell encounters, it's got to be, good old MC, BWL, AQ40, and old naxx.

I am sure Blizzard will up the challenge margin according to those a little but then again, blizzard wants most, if not everyone, to experience end game, so sadly it has to be by cutting off our "hardcore" limb.

The best pve guilds are still up there so really, those who got the team coordination will still be ahead of the others, though Mr. spindoctor Greyhoof might tell us he's a true genius, we'll most likely laugh at that claim.

I, myself am playing WotLK and love it, hard to think of it's been 8 months since i last played the game but it feels new at many points, and yet familiar, the most important thing being, still quality entertainment above all.  No other mmorpgs can, nor ever will, reach Wotlk, unless they really pull themselves together, and lets face it, Mythic didn't pull them selves together, else they wouldn't have released already, they would have waited till they had more of the the content.

But they just thought of something old, and now useless, claim, blizzard did the same thing, 4 years ago, yes perhaps they did but their game at the time had the most polished mmorpg in history and had loads of content, 4 years later they were a massive hulk of content and pretty much getting there to have put all what once was on the "to do list".  They pull off, what was okay 4 years ago, their game would have challenged wow, 4 years ago but not today.....

Today WoW stands victorious once again, because none of it's enemies comes prepared, they all RUSH... when they should be patient and grow some wisdom before attacked the slumbering titan.

WAR is dead,  you never get a second chance for first impressions, thus AoC is dead as well, even though it has improved but it should first have been released now, but they failed to listen at wisdom, they were too eager and now lie dead at the feet of the mountain.

Conan faced off with Cromm and died a horrible death.  Order and Chaos got iced by the massive Blizzard, the massive twillight zone, the undying legion.

Only left contestant, Aion, who didn't rush, who watched as AoC and WAR, eagerly tried to face off with the impossible as none of them knew how to fight their enemy.

Lets see how it all fairs.... boy did i write much, too much. 

Originally posted by Qmire 

Seriously, when it comes to tough as hell encounters, it's got to be, good old MC, BWL, AQ40, and old naxx.

Vael ... speak not it's name! 

Originally posted by dsebutchr

Been playing Warhammer since it released.  It was fun for about a week until I realized it's nothing more than doing Scenarios until you level out of the zone.  I will occasionally do PQ's for fast good loot.  Now understand I'm not finishing the PQ, I'm grinding the first part because the zone is DEAD and there is NOBODY to group with.

They didn't give us Slayers, they hosed the Lore to the point you have to forget most of what you've read over the last 25 years.

I resubbed to WoW a week ago and I forgot how much fun it was.  I haven't logged onto WAR since I logged back into WoW.

If they bring slayers I might play again.  That is the ONLY thing that would bring me back. 

It's so boring I'm not sure even that would keep me in the game long.

I need to pick at something and your post happens to be it this morning.

RED

What YOU'VE read over the past 25 years is likely very different from what many people have read... some probably have no reason to get pissed off at the lore like you do. Many probably don't know anything about the slayers. At the moment you sound very akin to the Lord of the Rings, Sword of Truth, Wacraft purists who love to keep things as they envision them... and anyone else who modifies their love be damned.

Don't worry, I was the same way with the Warcraft Lore... it's a basic human failing to dislike the different, the change, and protect what they believe.... even against all reason.

Pink/Purple/Color

I resubbed to WoW because friends of mine felt it would help me feel better about a hard time i'm going through right now.

I really envisioned a line of cocaine on a glass table when they said that...

It was fun... i've killed upwards of 30 death knights on my warlock since subbing.

but the PvP frustrates me to no end.

Players who believe they are heroes, and yet don't have the mental or reflex capacity to do things on their own, are running amok and just asking to be killed. They are crappy players... easy pickings for anyone with a decent amount of gaming skill. But you can only take on so much crap with a shovel before it overwhelms you.

WoW is definately the place I go to when I really just need to kill anyone, for any reason, at any time... without little effort on my part.

I recommend anyone who is serious about WoW PvP go play WAR for a bit to understand group tactics and organization. That doesn't mean you will see any of that, but WAR gives me characters that I can't kill with 5-6 buttons... where I think about where i'm standing and what terrain I can take advantage of.

I hope Blizzard's next MMO is a change of pace from all this... as fun as WoW can be at times, it feels like i'm picking on people who just can't compete with me.

Originally posted by LiquidWolf 

I recommend anyone who is serious about WoW PvP go play WAR for a bit to understand group tactics and organization. That doesn't mean you will see any of that, but WAR gives me characters that I can't kill with 5-6 buttons... where I think about where i'm standing and what terrain I can take advantage of.

By group tactics you mean zerging?  Because, that's ALL I saw any time I played in any scenario.  I had to practically beg pugs to at least consider targeting the healers.

Originally posted by IcoGames

Originally posted by LiquidWolf 

I recommend anyone who is serious about WoW PvP go play WAR for a bit to understand group tactics and organization. That doesn't mean you will see any of that, but WAR gives me characters that I can't kill with 5-6 buttons... where I think about where i'm standing and what terrain I can take advantage of.

 

By group tactics you mean zerging?  Because, that's ALL I saw any time I played in any scenario.  I had to practically beg pugs to at least consider targeting the healers.

I remeber while i was playing WAR, everytime in a scenario or ORVR, i would say need 2 dps to follow me. We would flank the enemies and take out theuir healers. I couldn t beleive how many people didn t ever try this. I would get damn that worked great lets do it again. Never realized how many people just ran around completely lost with no idea what to do until i played WAR.

Today WoW stands victorious once again, because none of it's enemies comes prepared, they all RUSH... when they should be patient and grow some wisdom before attacked the slumbering titan.

WAR is dead,  you never get a second chance for first impressions, thus AoC is dead as well, even though it has improved but it should first have been released now, but they failed to listen at wisdom, they were too eager and now lie dead at the feet of the mountain.

Conan faced off with Cromm and died a horrible death.  Order and Chaos got iced by the massive Blizzard, the massive twillight zone, the undying legion.

Only left contestant, Aion, who didn't rush, who watched as AoC and WAR, eagerly tried to face off with the impossible as none of them knew how to fight their enemy.

Lets see how it all fairs.... boy did i write much, too much. 

Nice write up and I couldn't agree more.

I'm really enjoying wotlk (a lot more than I enjoyed BC) and I'm still eagerly awaiting Aion, as it seems NCSoft has understood that releasing half-finished games like WAR and AoC is a stupid thing to do, and only hardcore fanbois will like the game.

Aion is also the only game of those to agree WoW is a good game, they know what to build on and improve, 2009 will be exciting :)

Originally posted by Greyhooff

A video to show what good, challenging PVE should be like, instead of the easymode faceroll that WoW PVE has become:

http://www.warhammermovies.com/movieview.php?id=1389

Lost Vale is the tier 3 instance that drops the epic Darkpromise tier 3 set, there are harder instances and city raid instances (not the early raid introduction bastion stair raid which anyone can do at 40) to be unlocked by conquering the other faction's areas in the PVP campaign. But it's already harder than anything in WOTLK :)

A couple of notes about the video (which is a few weeks old):

- Kiting the small spiders on spider boss doesn't work any more

- The hero add on lizard boss gives better loot from main boss if killed before killing main boss

- Some of the boss abilities were changed to make the fight harder (usually) or more interesting/different (less often)

- Shamans and archmages can no longer instant ress in combat (which they do constantly in this video)

Right, Warhammer T3 raids are the most awesome fun challenging encounters in MMOs!

Of course this is the game that is struggling to keep people entertained in their first 30 free days.

A game where you can walk past just about any NPC without them noticing you, because the AI and pathing are stupid beyond measure.   Just look at the benny hill routine the NPCs inside a keep during a raid for an example of the AI/Pathing horror of the game.

A game where the pinnacle of PvE encounters consists of 3 stages:

Kill 100 minions (don't kill them to fast or you will have a lot of boring time waiting for the to respawn)

Then kill 10 tougher mobs (You MIGHT actually need a healer for this part, but don't expect to much difficulty)

Then kill the boss (Put your tank on the boss, heal the tank and have the melee classes move away, because the boss will have some lame area affect damage spell in place of real abilities that might make the fight difficult)

Forgive me if I just don't see Mythic as being creators of better PvE content than PvE based games.  I knew before even playing Warhammer not to expect to much and even then I was let down.

I am the quinessential definition of PVE'er. If you looked up PVE player in the dictionary, it would have a picture of me. I hate PVP (except for DAOC and moments in WAR) and 90% of the games I play are for the PVE content.

To say WAR's PVE content outweighs WOW, its stupid and moronic and borders on trolling. Period. WOW has excellent PVE content. It is funny.... you show one movie of a Tier 3 instance to prove it has better PVE? Seriously? There is SO much more to PVE than instanced content. There are quests, story;ines, fun things, moments that make you go whoa...that is all PVE content to me. WAR did little of that for me.

And no, I am not a WOW fanboi either. If you asked my opinion of PVE content, my number 1 game would be Vanguard. It has the best PVE content in my opinion and if the game was better, less buggy and more population, I would play it over WOW.
 

And if I canceled WAR in the first 30 days (which I did) and had little desire to play again (as I said I would play Vanguard), then the PVE content definately is not its strong suit. It's funny to me....WAR players are getting so desperate that they are now trying to get players to come play WAR because PVE content is better. Everyone knows and Mythic admitted that PVE content in WAR was an afterthought and not all that great. Seriously, if you want players to come play WAR advertise the PVP content. Oh wait.....you cannot do that either because what woule you say: "Come play WAR...er, wait, come stand in queues for scenarios and wait for the to spawn and then you can play for 10 minutes and then repeat it". I guess that doesn't work well either.