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11/23/08 5:21:41 AM#41
No, I don't think Df will have all the promised features. Partially this is due to the fact that nobody knows which exactly are the "promised" features. The information about the game is ranging wildly from somewhere 2003 until only recently, with alot of old stuff never chagend, taken out or corrected. This leads to a state where people are trying to make their own individual "gem" out of this game...just look at discussions on the game's own forum. In that light, DF will be unable to fulfill all that, no way around it. Along with that, it will always provide enough rough edges for the professional forum fighters to attach to. But, - if it only manages to deliver on the very core statements, this will be more than worth a try on my end, as it will stll make the game unique in the genre as far as released games go. Be it so, there's room for everybody's preference. If grumpiness is fun, go for it. I prefer happyness and I really hope to see DF to at least check it out before I do my own judgement. |
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11/23/08 5:46:05 AM#42
i think Tasos spins everything in a positive light, but he doesn't grossly exaggerate. A lot of people do over-read however...
yes i believe the game will have all the major features that have been specifically described as being in the game.
yes if they have invested as much time and effort into the server code and with the appropriate server hardware then yes i believe they should be able to manage their 10K+ players in a server instance.
EVE regularly manages 35K+ in a single server instance but there are many things to consider: 1) EVE server cluster hardware is pretty high end, we don't know how big DF's clusters will be, i'm sure they will be testing that in the public beta. 2) EVE's server code is written in python (a fairly slow scripting language); DF's backend is written in much much faster (and scalable/tweakable) java/c++. 3) DF's server code is more advanced than EVE's -- EVE's zones are restricted to a single node in the cluster; DF's aren't. 4) EVE's combat system is not real-time. the demands of a real-time combat system are much higher.
that said, it's clear that 10K+ simultaneously connected clients is well possible, the real question is at what point does the combat performance degrade? then you just set the max number of clients just below that number and everything's sweet.
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11/23/08 1:19:21 PM#43
Originally posted by AnsgarIsen
if u go http://darkfallonline.com/features/ and click on each one of those big blocks of text those are whats considered promised features, i know there vague but there just selling points and if those selling points are true and implemented correctly then id be very happy 3 stars and only 40 posts OH RIGHT 
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Briansho
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11/23/08 1:29:16 PM#44
So far we have Darkfall running on : 1. Hype 2. Assumptions 3. Potential 4. Screenshots 5. Videos So beta starts or ends in what 7 days? Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL! |
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11/23/08 1:55:47 PM#45
Originally posted by razerblade29
3 stars and less than half that :P Anyway, according to beta statements the core promised features (like being able to craft everything, open pvp, player skill in pvp, everything other than the depth of pvp b/c they haven't tested it yet) are true. We don't know how they will do with 10k+ people and how they are balanced, and we definitely won't know till release/open beta (my estimate is that if DF will release this year, this date will be December 10thish with a weeklong open beta for stress tests) but the final implimentation of the game's features is a mystery in EVERY upcoming game, not just DF. And YES BETA IZ REALz! There was a leak in this and many other forums before the big Tasos update, that said beta has better than expected graphics, runs smoothly with no bugs, and has godaweful UI. No one believed (including me) because he had no proof. When Tasos' super update came by, they mirrored what the leaker said basically, the main sentiment from graphics was that it was better than expected, everyone lauded the performance of the client, and the biggest criticism of the beta was the UI. Also, according to the player testimonies posted by Tasos, the DF community identified some of the people from their speech oddities (like awesomesauce :P ) Sure this may be all a hoax created by Tasos but there's a thin line between skepticism and stupidity. When I'm energetic I'm: When I'm at default I'm:
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11/23/08 1:59:39 PM#46
Originally posted by rageagainst
3 stars and less than half that :P Anyway, according to beta statements the core promised features (like being able to craft everything, open pvp, player skill in pvp, everything other than the depth of pvp b/c they haven't tested it yet) are true. We don't know how they will do with 10k+ people and how they are balanced, and we definitely won't know till release/open beta (my estimate is that if DF will release this year, this date will be December 10thish with a weeklong open beta for stress tests) but the final implimentation of the game's features is a mystery in EVERY upcoming game, not just DF. And YES BETA IZ REALz! There was a leak in this and many other forums before the big Tasos update, that said beta has better than expected graphics, runs smoothly with no bugs, and has godaweful UI. No one believed (including me) because he had no proof. When Tasos' super update came by, they mirrored what the leaker said basically, the main sentiment from graphics was that it was better than expected, everyone lauded the performance of the client, and the biggest criticism of the beta was the UI. Also, according to the player testimonies posted by Tasos, the DF community identified some of the people from their speech oddities (like awesomesauce :P ) Sure this may be all a hoax created by Tasos but there's a thin line between fixed that for you. No need to thank me! |
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11/23/08 2:07:33 PM#47
so you honestly don't think closed beta is real? When I'm energetic I'm: When I'm at default I'm:
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11/23/08 2:12:23 PM#48
Originally posted by rageagainst When did I say that?? I hope this game is released soon and is as awesome as it sounds. I'll play it for sure if it is, but I havent seen proof of anything yet so Im still skeptical. And that last review with the Italian guys gave Adventurine a very shady image IMO. |
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11/23/08 2:14:46 PM#49
Originally posted by Consensus
Since they've given me no reason to be skeptical of what they say I do believe them and that they will do what they say. I might add I expect bumps in the road as with all mmos but they have yet to earn my distrust. |
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11/23/08 2:20:17 PM#50
Originally posted by ganton When did I say that?? I hope this game is released soon and is as awesome as it sounds. I'll play it for sure if it is, but I havent seen proof of anything yet so Im still skeptical. And that last review with the Italian guys gave Adventurine a very shady image IMO.
Though mmorpg.it IS the biggest freaking mmo site in italy, I'll only agree with you for ONE reason, because all the screens had "Darkfall" on it, yeah this is probably due to some copyright but it would also mean that DF was kindof monitering everything that those guys were putting out. I don't know for sure though, its shady nonetheless. (not due to the lack of detail though, I mean it was a freaking closed beta review and many of the closed beta reports said that a lot of stuff isn't activiated yet.) but what i put in my post from the last page is the reason I'm almost 100% sure closed beta isn't just something Tasos made up, it may be small but it exists. When I'm energetic I'm: When I'm at default I'm:
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11/23/08 2:31:22 PM#51
I think this game will come out perfect. You know why? Because these guys dont say nothing about there game ever . They want everyone to wonder and think. And they know what ppl are saying and they wont to make all ppl that say neg. things about this to eat it up.
They are so quit with this game that it has to be good. Every othere mmo talks from the time they start to finish. Darkfall dont talk they produce! WWIIOnline The Real War! |
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11/23/08 2:34:40 PM#52
in the time its taking them to build this frigon game id say anything is possable Ten people who speak make more noise than ten thousand who are silent. |
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11/23/08 2:36:48 PM#53
"Darkfall dont talk they produce!"
I am not so sure I believe this game will release with all features...heck, if it releases at all.
But I sit with crossed-fingers hoping that the game DOES release. That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming! |
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11/23/08 2:37:01 PM#54
Let's face it, both sides of the fence are defensable: fanboyism and extreme skepticism. In defense of fanboys: All evidence produced thus far does in fact indicate that Darkfall exists and that the devs have followed through on their intentions (i.e. all the features so far confirmed by releases line up with features they had promised--that doesn't mean that all features they had promised have been confirmed). Middle ground: It is quite sensible to believe the closed beta is limited to a relatively small tester population, as lack of any substantial beta leaking activity might lead one to believe. Similarly, it's increasingly difficult to believe we will see an open beta that ends in early December, as all indications point to a closed beta pool that is hardly growing if at all and much more playtesting left to go (e.g. locked content). Extreme skepticism: I should remind you (as I believe someone else did recently) that the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Sometimes it's difficult to take promises in the MMO world without a grain of salt because you're afraid of letting the devs in and having them break your heart. There are those who would tell you it's better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all, but you are welcome to disagree with that sentiment to your heart's content. Either way, those on this side of the fence will never be able to prove anything except that some things have yet to be proven, and that is not what I would call a fruitful activity. If anyone wants my personal opinion so as to have grounds to attack me on, I suspect the closed beta is indeed relatively small, that closed testing will continue longer than "scheduled," and that open beta/release will be pushed back at least to Q1 '09. I still hope otherwise, though. No reason not to. |
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11/23/08 3:06:28 PM#55
Originally posted by weg886 Lol Im guessing you werent around for Dark and Light. edit/ Actually now that I think about it even Dark and Light had beta leaks. If they are doing any closed beta testing it would have to be through all in house to have no leaks and then I believe it would be considered alpha testing so, who know were there at right now with testing. |
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originalegg
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Joined: 10/09/06
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11/23/08 4:09:17 PM#56
Originally posted by ganton Lol Im guessing you werent around for Dark and Light. edit/ Actually now that I think about it even Dark and Light had beta leaks. If they are doing any closed beta testing it would have to be through all in house to have no leaks and then I believe it would be considered alpha testing so, who know were there at right now with testing.
They have been in closed beta testing for awhile and are allowing more and more fans who normally just want a chance at a free game to come in now. Open beta around the corner. Though if you stock up on tinfoil to block out the aventurine brain waves...none of this wll actually matter to you. One of the reasons so many people trust Aventurine is that they aren't hyping their game like mad. Not asking or preorders, letting the game speak for itself. Everyone is saying "lol why dont they do it like a real company....they are shady" Well if you want them to act like AoC, Vanguard, WAR etc then you may need to get to the doctor. ---sig---
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Hashbrick
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11/23/08 4:18:10 PM#57
You are missing a key point, AoC was built by a AAA studio while Darkfall is being developed by some scrubs. I'd predict a complete turnover to AoC before even acknowledging Darkfall launch feature complete or without a lot of issues. Love the numbers too since you know the beta/alpha tests were no way near the thousands so how the hell would they even know what they support. Oh wait... they don't. 99.9% of all statistics are made up.
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originalegg
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11/23/08 4:21:54 PM#58
Originally posted by Hashbrick
Hmm i dont think it is me that is missing the point here.... Aventurine > Funcom when it comes to credibility and skill in development of MMOs right now. That can change of course if DF flops on release....but the whole point is that this "AAA" company produced a terrible game and lied to the community for profits. Darkfall hasn't done that so Aventurine > DF, even in many of the most skeptical DF fan minds.
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11/23/08 4:25:13 PM#59
Originally posted by originalegg
They have been in closed beta testing for awhile and are allowing more and more fans who normally just want a chance at a free game to come in now. Open beta around the corner. Though if you stock up on tinfoil to block out the aventurine brain waves...none of this wll actually matter to you. One of the reasons so many people trust Aventurine is that they aren't hyping their game like mad. Not asking or preorders, letting the game speak for itself. Everyone is saying "lol why dont they do it like a real company....they are shady" Well if you want them to act like AoC, Vanguard, WAR etc then you may need to get to the doctor. You know what Ive noticed about you. Instead of actually refuting anyones evidence or opinions with your own you try to dehumanize them with comments like the one above so other just wont pay attention to them. This is a very low and pitiful way to debate. You also make claims that you have no evidence of and act as if what you say is fact. In this response being that: "They have been in closed beta testing for awhile and are allowing more and more fans who normally just want a chance at a free game to come in now" Weres your evidence of this?? If it was true they were in closed beta there would be beta leaks. period. List any game ever that didnt have beta leaks in closed beta and i'll prove you wrong. I think you need to get a reality check and get off your high horse, realize that your not infalliable, your not always correct, you dont know everything, and other peoples opinions have just as much weight in a matter as yours!
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11/23/08 4:29:45 PM#60
Originally posted by originalegg
Hmm i dont think it is me that is missing the point here.... Aventurine > Funcom when it comes to credibility and skill in development of MMOs right now. That can change of course if DF flops on release....but the whole point is that this "AAA" company produced a terrible game and lied to the community for profits. Darkfall hasn't done that so Aventurine > DF, even in many of the most skeptical DF fan minds.
Your entire statement is opinion, you dont list one fact. you say AOC produced a terrible game and lied about it, the prove it- What did they lie about hmm? What makes the game terrible hmm?? Dont post your extremely biased views as if they were facts. |
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