Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by Consensus

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by Consensus

the recent gameplay video has proved the game is real. but even so, I don't see how anyone can believe alot of the crap DF has claimed. such as a seemless world that supports 10,000 simulatanous players.

no way is a 10, 000 player first person shooter possible even without the rest of the gameplay.

 

its called clustering with shared resources.

also 10k is the promised amount there hoping for 20k at same time dont ask for quote

 

and do you believe them?

 

No chance. All those Warcry interviews where they are like play our game we have everything we said in it.. they are just going to have to release and let us be the judge. The premise for promising "everything" is just a very bad road to be on. The darkfall delivery truck is running out of gas:

Waaaait wait wait wait.....

AmazingAvery....AoC superfan and correspondant....is trolling the DF forums talking about promises made by devs?  LOL omg and I thought this forum was slowing down.  You realllly dont need to be talking about devs telling fans that features are in the game.....DUCY?

I can understand if you are jealous that a game the AoC fans were bashing as vaporware pre-aoc release now has a chance to be better than AoC.  And also that it is going to be a superior PVP game to AoC if it releases well.

But cmon....you have no ground to claim the DF has broken any promises regarding what is in the game and isnt.  It hasnt released yet and then there is that whole AoC thing....

Originally posted by girlgeek 

Uhm, no.  WoW has about 13k per server. 

http://www.wowjutsu.com/us/lothar/

There ya go.  There's just a random server.  THAT one has 13,565 players.  Some have a bit more, some less.  I didn't notice any with only 3k, although...you said "4 years ago," and the statistics I quoted above are more up to date than that. :)

INCIDENTALLY....this site only tracks GUILDS.  Un-guilded players are not counted in the totals, therefore, I imagine the numbers are actually quite a bit higher than this.

 

We are talking about logged on and playing at the same time, not total characters per server.  You might be correct that it is more than 3k now though.

Here is the the same server you linked showing actual average number of characters logged on, it's just over 3k at it's peak:

www.warcraftrealms.com/activity.php

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by Consensus

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by Consensus

the recent gameplay video has proved the game is real. but even so, I don't see how anyone can believe alot of the crap DF has claimed. such as a seemless world that supports 10,000 simulatanous players.

no way is a 10, 000 player first person shooter possible even without the rest of the gameplay.

 

its called clustering with shared resources.

also 10k is the promised amount there hoping for 20k at same time dont ask for quote

 

and do you believe them?

 

No chance. All those Warcry interviews where they are like play our game we have everything we said in it.. they are just going to have to release and let us be the judge. The premise for promising "everything" is just a very bad road to be on. The darkfall delivery truck is running out of gas:

 

Waaaait wait wait wait.....

AmazingAvery....AoC superfan and correspondant....is trolling the DF forums talking about promises made by devs?  LOL omg and I thought this forum was slowing down.  You realllly dont need to be talking about devs telling fans that features are in the game.....DUCY?

I can understand if you are jealous that a game the AoC fans were bashing as vaporware pre-aoc release now has a chance to be better than AoC.  And also that it is going to be a superior PVP game to AoC if it releases well.

But cmon....you have no ground to claim the DF has broken any promises regarding what is in the game and isnt.  It hasnt released yet and then there is that whole AoC thing....

I didn't claim they have broken any promises, you might want to re-read what I put.

When release day comes there will be no where for DF to hide when the player is the judge. Promoting the game has "everything" and all the arrogance around DF's devs comments are setting them up for a big backfire. Grandious broad sweeping statements assumptions and prayers are least of worries here.

Like I said they are just going to have it released and let us be the judge, I've be in the queue a long time now with expectations and I summed up my opinion which is not bad with a couple of lines on current thoughts and an accurate picture - but c'mon you can say the picture is a troll or no accurate - there is nothing bad about it.

Just because I like AoC doesn't mean to say I don't have an interest in DF, I do, a long time one. Long time member of their official community and follower of news, it's good things are stepping up now and I am excited for release - my gripe is with the promising everything part, I'm sure you can understand that and reply on equal footing - about DF..

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

 I didn't claim they have broken any promises, you might want to re-read what I put.

When release day comes there will be no where for DF to hide when the player is the judge. Promoting the game has "everything" and all the arrogance around DF's devs comments are setting them up for a big backfire. Grandious broad sweeping statements assumptions and prayers are least of worries here.

Like I said they are just going to have it released and let us be the judge, I've be in the queue a long time now with expectations and I summed up my opinion which is not bad with a couple of lines on current thoughts and an accurate picture - but c'mon you can say the picture is a troll or no accurate - there is nothing bad about it.

Just because I like AoC doesn't mean to say I don't have an interest in DF, I do, a long time one. Long time member of their official community and follower of news, it's good things are stepping up now and I am excited for release - my gripe is with the promising everything part, I'm sure you can understand that and reply on equal footing - about DF..

You can't be serious with that comment. Lol, your posts get dumber every day. Arrogance? What arrogance? I haven't seen any of that. They have been very quit about what they are doing and hopefully they can deliver.

If you want to talk about arrogance why not talk about AoC and Gaute before launch. You know the one interview where he said WoW is a burger and AoC is a steak. Well, now as 90% of players have quit, Gaute got fired and is now flipping burgers at his new job at McDonalds so I guess no more steaks for him.

The fact that you came to troll on DF forums suggests you are getting really desperate. Scared that DF will steal half of the remaining AoC players? Well, you should be.

Originally posted by AmazingAvery 

I didn't claim they have broken any promises, you might want to re-read what I put.

When release day comes there will be no where for DF to hide when the player is the judge. Promoting the game has "everything" and all the arrogance around DF's devs comments are setting them up for a big backfire. Grandious broad sweeping statements assumptions and prayers are least of worries here.

Nobody is saying it has everything.

It has most things a sandbox mmo fan would probably like, that is it. 

It probably won't have raiding as good as wow, or navel combat as good as potbs, or crafting as good as eve ect.  I haven't seen anyone saying it will be the best in every field (except maybe one person who is blatently trolling the naysayers).

If it has wide range of activites built to an acceptable standard, doesn't have to be the best ever seen, then I for one will be more than happy.

Originally posted by Scaredgirl

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

 I didn't claim they have broken any promises, you might want to re-read what I put.

When release day comes there will be no where for DF to hide when the player is the judge. Promoting the game has "everything" and all the arrogance around DF's devs comments are setting them up for a big backfire. Grandious broad sweeping statements assumptions and prayers are least of worries here.

Like I said they are just going to have it released and let us be the judge, I've be in the queue a long time now with expectations and I summed up my opinion which is not bad with a couple of lines on current thoughts and an accurate picture - but c'mon you can say the picture is a troll or no accurate - there is nothing bad about it.

Just because I like AoC doesn't mean to say I don't have an interest in DF, I do, a long time one. Long time member of their official community and follower of news, it's good things are stepping up now and I am excited for release - my gripe is with the promising everything part, I'm sure you can understand that and reply on equal footing - about DF..

 

You can't be serious with that comment. Lol, your posts get dumber every day. Arrogance? What arrogance? I haven't seen any of that. They have been very quit about what they are doing and hopefully they can deliver.

If you want to talk about arrogance why not talk about AoC and Gaute before launch. You know the one interview where he said WoW is a burger and AoC is a steak. Well, now as 90% of players have quit, Gaute got fired and is now flipping burgers at his new job at McDonalds so I guess no more steaks for him.

The fact that you came to troll on DF forums suggests you are getting really desperate. Scared that DF will steal half of the remaining AoC players? Well, you should be.

Thanks for the insightful reply - now I know who you really are ;)

If anyone wants the source of my opinon then the Warcry dev journal / updates are a good place to start from which let me to the conclusion as previously pointed out - I am in no way saying DF is bad just that the premise for promtion is a bad road.

"We welcome the "too good to be true" or the "Darkfall promises everything" ranting about Darkfall because we're in a position to know that we'll offer more than we promise" ~ Article by Tasos Flambouras (Associate Producer, Darkfall)

There is confidence and there is arrogance, the later is unfortunately bred in large numbers on the official forum, promoted by the devs themselves. This is just how I see it overall.

Originally posted by Scaredgirl

 

If you want to talk about arrogance why not talk about AoC and Gaute before launch. You know the one interview where he said WoW is a burger and AoC is a steak. Well, now as 90% of players have quit, Gaute got fired and is now flipping burgers at his new job at McDonalds so I guess no more steaks for him.

and sorry avery you dont just get to keep AoC out of this because you are embarrased...

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by Scaredgirl

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

 I didn't claim they have broken any promises, you might want to re-read what I put.

When release day comes there will be no where for DF to hide when the player is the judge. Promoting the game has "everything" and all the arrogance around DF's devs comments are setting them up for a big backfire. Grandious broad sweeping statements assumptions and prayers are least of worries here.

Like I said they are just going to have it released and let us be the judge, I've be in the queue a long time now with expectations and I summed up my opinion which is not bad with a couple of lines on current thoughts and an accurate picture - but c'mon you can say the picture is a troll or no accurate - there is nothing bad about it.

Just because I like AoC doesn't mean to say I don't have an interest in DF, I do, a long time one. Long time member of their official community and follower of news, it's good things are stepping up now and I am excited for release - my gripe is with the promising everything part, I'm sure you can understand that and reply on equal footing - about DF..

 

You can't be serious with that comment. Lol, your posts get dumber every day. Arrogance? What arrogance? I haven't seen any of that. They have been very quit about what they are doing and hopefully they can deliver.

If you want to talk about arrogance why not talk about AoC and Gaute before launch. You know the one interview where he said WoW is a burger and AoC is a steak. Well, now as 90% of players have quit, Gaute got fired and is now flipping burgers at his new job at McDonalds so I guess no more steaks for him.

The fact that you came to troll on DF forums suggests you are getting really desperate. Scared that DF will steal half of the remaining AoC players? Well, you should be.

 

Thanks for the insightful reply - now I know who you really are ;)

If anyone wants the source of my opinon then the Warcry dev journal / updates are a good place to start from which let me to the conclusion as previously pointed out - I am in no way saying DF is bad just that the premise for promtion is a bad road.

"We welcome the "too good to be true" or the "Darkfall promises everything" ranting about Darkfall because we're in a position to know that we'll offer more than we promise" ~ Article by Tasos Flambouras (Associate Producer, Darkfall)

There is confidence and there is arrogance, the later is unfortunately bred in large numbers on the official forum, promoted by the devs themselves. This is just how I see it overall.

Amazingavery I agree with you 110%. I myself have had words put in my posts that I have not put there. As these staunch fanboys tend to do that to try to help their defence. I have never said 1 thing bad about the concepts in DF. It has all been directed at adventurine. But everyone interprets it as me bashing DF. Hell I like the idea of DF. The way it is being promoted is shady, deceptive, and arrogant.

Originally posted by toddze

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by Scaredgirl

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

 I didn't claim they have broken any promises, you might want to re-read what I put.

When release day comes there will be no where for DF to hide when the player is the judge. Promoting the game has "everything" and all the arrogance around DF's devs comments are setting them up for a big backfire. Grandious broad sweeping statements assumptions and prayers are least of worries here.

Like I said they are just going to have it released and let us be the judge, I've be in the queue a long time now with expectations and I summed up my opinion which is not bad with a couple of lines on current thoughts and an accurate picture - but c'mon you can say the picture is a troll or no accurate - there is nothing bad about it.

Just because I like AoC doesn't mean to say I don't have an interest in DF, I do, a long time one. Long time member of their official community and follower of news, it's good things are stepping up now and I am excited for release - my gripe is with the promising everything part, I'm sure you can understand that and reply on equal footing - about DF..

 

You can't be serious with that comment. Lol, your posts get dumber every day. Arrogance? What arrogance? I haven't seen any of that. They have been very quit about what they are doing and hopefully they can deliver.

If you want to talk about arrogance why not talk about AoC and Gaute before launch. You know the one interview where he said WoW is a burger and AoC is a steak. Well, now as 90% of players have quit, Gaute got fired and is now flipping burgers at his new job at McDonalds so I guess no more steaks for him.

The fact that you came to troll on DF forums suggests you are getting really desperate. Scared that DF will steal half of the remaining AoC players? Well, you should be.

 

Thanks for the insightful reply - now I know who you really are ;)

If anyone wants the source of my opinon then the Warcry dev journal / updates are a good place to start from which let me to the conclusion as previously pointed out - I am in no way saying DF is bad just that the premise for promtion is a bad road.

"We welcome the "too good to be true" or the "Darkfall promises everything" ranting about Darkfall because we're in a position to know that we'll offer more than we promise" ~ Article by Tasos Flambouras (Associate Producer, Darkfall)

There is confidence and there is arrogance, the later is unfortunately bred in large numbers on the official forum, promoted by the devs themselves. This is just how I see it overall.

 

Amazingavery I agree with you 110%. I myself have had words put in my posts that I have not put there. As these staunch fanboys tend to do that to try to help their defence. I have never said 1 thing bad about the concepts in DF. It has all been directed at adventurine. But everyone interprets it as me bashing DF. Hell I like the idea of DF. The way it is being promoted is shady, deceptive, and arrogant.

Exactly, I like what I see and hear about DF and I am keen to try it - I do think it will be half decent too. It's all to easy to gloss over important things like we are talking about when your on cloud nine with some new news released. Been there myself :) Shame some don't want to actually take in the evidence.

As for scaredgirl - actually been reported for multiple accounts (some 20 + created here) can't take anything he says seriously. I forwarded details through the right channels - just so your aware.

Originally posted by toddze

Amazingavery I agree with you 110%. I myself have had words put in my posts that I have not put there. As these staunch fanboys tend to do that to try to help their defence. I have never said 1 thing bad about the concepts in DF. It has all been directed at adventurine. But everyone interprets it as me bashing DF. Hell I like the idea of DF. The way it is being promoted is shady, deceptive, and arrogant.

This is a common sentiment heard around mmorpg.com and there will definately be no pleasing you when it comes to aventurine. They have no PR and make really dumb PR moves, if you've been following the game for any length of time you would know this. I agree kindof with the arrogant part that they say b/c they will deliver with no proof, but the shady/deceptive part...

I don't think you guys will be happy until Aventurine starts acting like a normal mmo developer, and it WON'T. You immediately shun any company that's not like a normal developer because its strange, forlorn, and different. Not because a company that handles itself that way is doomed to put out a crappy game. Deep in your heart you know that it has NOTHING to do with game quality, devs that act perfectly normal put out sh1t games (Asheron's Call 2), and devs that act perfectly abnormal put out great games (Half-life), there's no correlation of whether or not the dev matches your standards and whether or not they deliver a great game.

Originally posted by toddze

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by Scaredgirl

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

 I didn't claim they have broken any promises, you might want to re-read what I put.

When release day comes there will be no where for DF to hide when the player is the judge. Promoting the game has "everything" and all the arrogance around DF's devs comments are setting them up for a big backfire. Grandious broad sweeping statements assumptions and prayers are least of worries here.

Like I said they are just going to have it released and let us be the judge, I've be in the queue a long time now with expectations and I summed up my opinion which is not bad with a couple of lines on current thoughts and an accurate picture - but c'mon you can say the picture is a troll or no accurate - there is nothing bad about it.

Just because I like AoC doesn't mean to say I don't have an interest in DF, I do, a long time one. Long time member of their official community and follower of news, it's good things are stepping up now and I am excited for release - my gripe is with the promising everything part, I'm sure you can understand that and reply on equal footing - about DF..

 

You can't be serious with that comment. Lol, your posts get dumber every day. Arrogance? What arrogance? I haven't seen any of that. They have been very quit about what they are doing and hopefully they can deliver.

If you want to talk about arrogance why not talk about AoC and Gaute before launch. You know the one interview where he said WoW is a burger and AoC is a steak. Well, now as 90% of players have quit, Gaute got fired and is now flipping burgers at his new job at McDonalds so I guess no more steaks for him.

The fact that you came to troll on DF forums suggests you are getting really desperate. Scared that DF will steal half of the remaining AoC players? Well, you should be.

 

Thanks for the insightful reply - now I know who you really are ;)

If anyone wants the source of my opinon then the Warcry dev journal / updates are a good place to start from which let me to the conclusion as previously pointed out - I am in no way saying DF is bad just that the premise for promtion is a bad road.

"We welcome the "too good to be true" or the "Darkfall promises everything" ranting about Darkfall because we're in a position to know that we'll offer more than we promise" ~ Article by Tasos Flambouras (Associate Producer, Darkfall)

There is confidence and there is arrogance, the later is unfortunately bred in large numbers on the official forum, promoted by the devs themselves. This is just how I see it overall.

 

Amazingavery I agree with you 110%. I myself have had words put in my posts that I have not put there. As these staunch fanboys tend to do that to try to help their defence. I have never said 1 thing bad about the concepts in DF. It has all been directed at adventurine. But everyone interprets it as me bashing DF. Hell I like the idea of DF. The way it is being promoted is shady, deceptive, and arrogant.

Im in this same group, Id love to see Aventurine pull off all their promises for Darkfall. But Im highly skeptical of this game. A small company with no development experience promises the biggest leap ahead in game play that weve ever seen? Factor in I think its fishy its taken them 8+ years to get to where they are. I also highly doubt this whole 08 release.
 

The fanbois are gettin their leashes pulled now btw, notice how many of em lack stars now. My guess is theyre getting warnings for this type of behavior.

Off topic abit: but how does the stars work? I see ppl with 1000's of post with 1 star while ppl less than 100 with max. Just curious how it works

nice so with the latest update arcken is now backpeddling to trying to attack people cause of their star ratings?  awsome!

I had my stars removed when someone reported me for necro bumping a thread and a mod actually banned me.  Oh and the post in question was the second post in the thread.....and the thread was made within an hour of my post....yea there goes some stars.

Also lost some for letting arcken-esque trolls bait me into getting into an argument and then they reported me after they baited me.  my mistake though luckily stars mean absolutely nothing.

Originally posted by toddze

Off topic abit: but how does the stars work? I see ppl with 1000's of post with 1 star while ppl less than 100 with max. Just curious how it works

There is an explanation in the faq about it, but there are some "wtf" moments with how they are calculated sometimes.  I really wouldntn worry about it, will just frustrate you.

As we pointed out already, if you get a warning or ban or i think even quote someone's post who got removed, and therefor your post gets removed, you lose some points/stars.

I actually saw that tenspotting made a thread complaining about the star system and how his arent going up.  when he is sitting at like -2 and i dont think he quite understands how it goes.

Originally posted by rageagainst

Originally posted by toddze

Amazingavery I agree with you 110%. I myself have had words put in my posts that I have not put there. As these staunch fanboys tend to do that to try to help their defence. I have never said 1 thing bad about the concepts in DF. It has all been directed at adventurine. But everyone interprets it as me bashing DF. Hell I like the idea of DF. The way it is being promoted is shady, deceptive, and arrogant.

 

This is a common sentiment heard around mmorpg.com and there will definately be no pleasing you when it comes to aventurine. They have no PR and make really dumb PR moves, if you've been following the game for any length of time you would know this. I agree kindof with the arrogant part that they say b/c they will deliver with no proof, but the shady/deceptive part...

I don't think you guys will be happy until Aventurine starts acting like a normal mmo developer, and it WON'T. You immediately shun any company that's not like a normal developer because its strange, forlorn, and different. Not because a company that handles itself that way is doomed to put out a crappy game. Deep in your heart you know that it has NOTHING to do with game quality, devs that act perfectly normal put out sh1t games (Asheron's Call 2), and devs that act perfectly abnormal put out great games (Half-life), there's no correlation of whether or not the dev matches your standards and whether or not they deliver a great game.

Ok somewhat common ground on arrogant so I will leave that alone.

IMO and only my opinion, this is why I say shady and deceptive. First Adventurine gives out "video koolaid" in what, around august/september. Then virtually nothing since. The video showed virtually nothing important, in way of gameplay, UI etc. All it did was confirm that there is a game called Darkfall, and thats debatable amoung some people. to me thats is shady, even AoC gave us gameplay footage several months before release. I wont get into the vaporware discussion, as thats a sad discussion. If they think its vapor or not, its their opinion.

Now I think its highly deceptive to let just two people in CB with the NDA lifted. Why 2? why not more? Why not let all major game sites in and let them write what the feel? Like what someone said in an earlier post the CB reveiws are extremly generous to begin with. To me it smells like something is being hidden. Ok for 1 minute you have this small company, you may not be able to afford advertisements and your product is due out in 08. You have this great product works great, does what it says. Are you going to keep it hidden away until it hits the shelves in 08, or let major retaliers try it out and let them spread the word for you? Same senario this time, execpt this time you suposidly have this great product but some things in it just doesnt work like you intended on it doing. This just might ruin your entire product. Now are you going to run around showcasing your product or will you try to keep it low key while atempting to fixing it. Ok back on topic. I just have a gut feeling that they are hidding something, and that it wont be out in 08. This is why I say deceptive. I had this same feeling with AoC and they were hidding alot. I have been around the MMO market long enough to know if a company is confident about their work, they dont keep it hidden regaurdless of korean, japanese, EU, NA, devs. While on the other hand seeing a company hidding important "stuff" this close to their projected release is deceptive to me.

The above is my opinion you may not agree with it. You can debate me all you want but you can not provide me with enough evidence to change my mind at this point in time.  When/if adventurine say ok DF will be out in 4/12/09   and from feb.-Mar. they start showing what fans/sceptics want to see coupled with an CB NDA lift and an OB with reveiws a good month before release then I will say Adventurine is proud/confident of their work they want everyone to see what game they have made. Then I will say they have nothing to hide.

 

Originally posted by toddze

Originally posted by rageagainst

Originally posted by toddze

Amazingavery I agree with you 110%. I myself have had words put in my posts that I have not put there. As these staunch fanboys tend to do that to try to help their defence. I have never said 1 thing bad about the concepts in DF. It has all been directed at adventurine. But everyone interprets it as me bashing DF. Hell I like the idea of DF. The way it is being promoted is shady, deceptive, and arrogant.

 

This is a common sentiment heard around mmorpg.com and there will definately be no pleasing you when it comes to aventurine. They have no PR and make really dumb PR moves, if you've been following the game for any length of time you would know this. I agree kindof with the arrogant part that they say b/c they will deliver with no proof, but the shady/deceptive part...

I don't think you guys will be happy until Aventurine starts acting like a normal mmo developer, and it WON'T. You immediately shun any company that's not like a normal developer because its strange, forlorn, and different. Not because a company that handles itself that way is doomed to put out a crappy game. Deep in your heart you know that it has NOTHING to do with game quality, devs that act perfectly normal put out sh1t games (Asheron's Call 2), and devs that act perfectly abnormal put out great games (Half-life), there's no correlation of whether or not the dev matches your standards and whether or not they deliver a great game.

 

Ok somewhat common ground on arrogant so I will leave that alone.

IMO and only my opinion, this is why I say shady and deceptive. First Adventurine gives out "video koolaid" in what, around august/september. Then virtually nothing since. The video showed virtually nothing important, in way of gameplay, UI etc. All it did was confirm that there is a game called Darkfall, and thats debatable amoung some people. to me thats is shady, even AoC gave us gameplay footage several months before release. I wont get into the vaporware discussion, as thats a sad discussion. If they think its vapor or not, its their opinion.

Now I think its highly deceptive to let just two people in CB with the NDA lifted. Why 2? why not more? Why not let all major game sites in and let them write what the feel? Like what someone said in an earlier post the CB reveiws are extremly generous to begin with. To me it smells like something is being hidden. Ok for 1 minute you have this small company, you may not be able to afford advertisements and your product is due out in 08. You have this great product works great, does what it says. Are you going to keep it hidden away until it hits the shelves in 08, or let major retaliers try it out and let them spread the word for you? Same senario this time, execpt this time you suposidly have this great product but some things in it just doesnt work like you intended on it doing. This just might ruin your entire product. Now are you going to run around showcasing your product or will you try to keep it low key while atempting to fixing it. Ok back on topic. I just have a gut feeling that they are hidding something, and that it wont be out in 08. This is why I say deceptive. I had this same feeling with AoC and they were hidding alot. I have been around the MMO market long enough to know if a company is confident about their work, they dont keep it hidden regaurdless of korean, japanese, EU, NA, devs. While on the other hand seeing a company hidding important "stuff" this close to their projected release is deceptive to me.

The above is my opinion you may not agree with it. You can debate me all you want but you can not provide me with enough evidence to change my mind at this point in time.  When/if adventurine say ok DF will be out in 4/12/09   and from feb.-Mar. they start showing what fans/sceptics want to see coupled with an CB NDA lift and an OB with reveiws a good month before release then I will say Adventurine is proud/confident of their work they want everyone to see what game they have made. Then I will say they have nothing to hide.

 

 

the nda wasnt tech lifted it wa slike half lifted LOL

they cant answer things about gameplay or anything it was just for a review thats it.

if they wanted to get critisim they would. they know when they see a good game . granted its not goign ot be perfect in every aspect but i dont think they was looking for perfection they was looking for a game that actully works for once.  i hgihly doubt they said youc ant say nothing negative because if that was the case they woulda blew the coverd right then and there about it. thats why they went.

If the game wasnt even close to be finished nor having most of the features redy I'd think betaleaks would be a natural step from a tester.

Originally posted by Consensus

Does anyone actually believe everything DF has claimed?

Considering they have yet to prove that 90% of the games features even exist in any kind of functional manner 1 month before a release and have yet to even hold a public beta?

No.

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Exactly, I like what I see and hear about DF and I am keen to try it - I do think it will be half decent too. It's all to easy to gloss over important things like we are talking about when your on cloud nine with some new news released. Been there myself :) Shame some don't want to actually take in the evidence.

As for scaredgirl - actually been reported for multiple accounts (some 20 + created here) can't take anything he says seriously. I forwarded details through the right channels - just so your aware.

What a surprise. This is what you always do when you can't handle the discussion. It's a cowards way out. I really hoped you would stay at AoC forums. If you start posting regurlarly at DF forums, I'm deleting my MMORPG.com account and going to another gaming forum. I'm sick and tired of people who instead of joining the discussion just push the report button.

On topic.. I think Aventurine did the same mistake as most of the other devs have done in the past - they tried to implement too many features. However if they can deliver 50% of what they promised I will be happy. And unlike FC, they don't have a guy like Erling Ellingsen lying and hyping up the game with all these features.

Originally posted by Scaredgirl

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Exactly, I like what I see and hear about DF and I am keen to try it - I do think it will be half decent too. It's all to easy to gloss over important things like we are talking about when your on cloud nine with some new news released. Been there myself :) Shame some don't want to actually take in the evidence.

As for scaredgirl - actually been reported for multiple accounts (some 20 + created here) can't take anything he says seriously. I forwarded details through the right channels - just so your aware.

 

What a surprise. This is what you always do when you can't handle the discussion. It's a cowards way out. I really hoped you would stay at AoC forums. If you start posting regurlarly at DF forums, I'm deleting my MMORPG.com account and going to another gaming forum. I'm sick and tired of people who instead of joining the discussion just push the report button.

On topic.. I think Aventurine did the same mistake as most of the other devs have done in the past - they tried to implement too many features. However if they can deliver 50% of what they promised I will be happy. And unlike FC, they don't have a guy like Erling Ellingsen lying and hyping up the game with all these features.

umm it snot you with the alot accounts lol. actulyl aventurine has gotten the promise features in except for like 1, do you no why the other companys cant get ther efeatures in before release because they have publishrs breathing down there necks