Question speaks for itself really. Last night I noticed that all I did was hit the “join all” button. I know I am not forced to do this, but there is never any RvR and no PQS and the quests…well lets face it…the quests are shite. In a heart beat I would re roll on a server with no scenarios. Then you would actually have to fight for zone control in the open. The way the damn game was intended to be in the first place, until mythic decided to try and please everyone. 5 times in the last 3 months I have been involved in semi decent RvR. The Halloween event was a stroke of genius and the most fun I have had.

Please mythic, nip the rot in the bud. I love the game, but the future is bleak if the new scenario driven patch is anything to go by.
 

Personally I think most people prefer Scenarios over RVR..  The reasons are you don't have to organize a Scenario.  You can solo a Scenario.  You don't have to worry about uneven odds in a Scenario.  Unless you do something wrong, you won't be ganked while dealing with an unique mob.  Scenarios are available at any place in the world.  You can level/PQ in between Scenarios.  The is now death debuff for dying in a Scenario.  You have less time running back to the battle in a Scenario.

So what are the benefits of RVR?

i would rather server transfer then reroll but yeah, i think a scenario less server would feel a lot more alive then the servers we have now.

I have no problems with senarios, I play a senario once and awhile...nothing bad out them imho.

Originally posted by Ghist

Personally I think most people prefer Scenarios over RVR..  The reasons are you don't have to organize a Scenario.  You can solo a Scenario.  You don't have to worry about uneven odds in a Scenario.  Unless you do something wrong, you won't be ganked while dealing with an unique mob.  Scenarios are available at any place in the world.  You can level/PQ in between Scenarios.  The is now death debuff for dying in a Scenario.  You have less time running back to the battle in a Scenario.

 

So what are the benefits of RVR?

You hit the nail on the coffin

1) Yes no need to spend time looking for groups in scenarios its more or less evened out .

2) in scenarious my win /lose ratio has been constant at 50% .
Many a times we play without teamwork and lose ,Many a times I have seen the group starts working together and we managed to win in near death situation.
In RVR no guess Order is out numbered by destro most of the time and no use wasting time in RVR .Thast it its a waste of time .In an hour or 2 I can get better gear ,xp and renown points doing PQ and
scenarios.I even dont do quest these days .Just do quest till i get in a scenario or see people in PQ.

Blame Mythic completely for releasing the game without the 4 cut classes and creating imbalance therof.

3) No running back

4) Easy XP ,renown points

5) Its more fun , I feel I am making a difference I am either tanking or dishing out dps and killing people and its fun .In RVR yesteday we where a group of 15 approx trying to take a keep guarded by more than 30 destro We could not manage to break the door . The moment I would get close 6 of them would gank me.No fun in dying in 3 sec and 1 minute running back to the keep.

they should also make the RVR like scenarios in a bigger scale balance people out and instance it

6) I am in tier 2 and roaming freely everywhere rarely was i attacked by anyone .
Once a magus did try to gank me , rooted him and ran to the nearest order guards post that cant be found everywhere .

I think they should make an experiment server, a LIVE one, that has no scenarios. See how the pop hits it, see how the game does without scenarios and then make a decision based off of that. Anything that can help the game get better can't be a bad thing.

I would reroll in a heartbeat

Scenarios kill world RvR.

I definitely would.

Sure I would.

I dont think the scenarios are a bad thing necessarily however I would like to try it without them just as an experiment. I wonder if they ever tested it that way before and what the results were. Assuming the beta testers tried it both ways and scenarios ended up winning out over not having them maybe the game wasnt fast paced enough without them to hold the attention of the current  A.D.H.D gamer demographic.

If folks dont want to do scs..don't queue for them. No, I find them generally enjoyable asside from the bugs associated with the foolish attempt at forced delays rather than true forced round robin. But thats me.

I do oRvR when available, otherwise I do scenarios... mostly because of time constraints.

Obviously a LOT of people like scenarios.  Mythic needs to be real careful with how they deal with them... otherwise they could lose a lot of the playerbase if they're changed too much.

Originally posted by JonMichael

I do oRvR when available, otherwise I do scenarios... mostly because of time constraints.

Obviously a LOT of people like scenarios.  Mythic needs to be real careful with how they deal with them... otherwise they could lose a lot of the playerbase if they're changed too much.

 

Same here.

If there is some RvR going on I vwill help, otherwise I will just queue up for some scenarios and grind some PQ influence in the meantime.

the population is soo split in this game...

They cannot please everyone.. And they are gonna fail for trying, they should have just said FUCK scenarios in the beginning and just stuck with the meat of the game, Keeps and RvR lakes...

I would hate to re-roll and another server would prolly get no love as people would not wanna re-roll.. But I probably would if they make one of these servers after the 1.1 patch that is supposed to make RvR better...

No because ORvR is still implemented in an overall poor way.  The campaign is retarded and the way things are rewarded is poor or in some cases counter productive.

Scenarios are just a symptom of a largely problem.

If they reworked ORVR and released a no-scenerio server, I'd resub.

I would transfer a character or two to one, but I like scenerios.  I don't see any laval filled RvR lakes where I can punt the enemy to their doom.  I don't see a Khaine's embrace style RvR lake with massive nukes going off etc.  The scenerios are just setup way too well.  They are friggin cool. 

The world RvR is all the same with a different skin.  Take 2 obective, bash on the keep wall, take the keep.  No envionment challenges or delays.  No specialty objectives in the RvR lakes like holding a Bauble for more damage on the keep etc.

Instead of a scenerioless server, make it a no gains by scenerio server.  Basically you get no bonus exp, no victory points, and no bonus renown for doing the scenerio.

Better yet, make tier 4 scenerios be a no gains by scenerio on all the servers.  Once you hit teir 4 you gotta do the REAL RvR if you want to gain those massive ranks etc.  That's what they did in DAOC.  You had battlegrounds up to level 40, then after that your last 10 levels were strictly open RvR.

Originally posted by Ghist

Personally I think most people prefer Scenarios over RVR..  The reasons are you don't have to organize a Scenario.  You can solo a Scenario.  You don't have to worry about uneven odds in a Scenario.  Unless you do something wrong, you won't be ganked while dealing with an unique mob.  Scenarios are available at any place in the world.  You can level/PQ in between Scenarios.  The is now death debuff for dying in a Scenario.  You have less time running back to the battle in a Scenario.

 

So what are the benefits of RVR?

Go back to wow

  I would love it if they took out  of scenario's, BUT i would  like them to be worked  into the open world RvR in some way. My wife and i would resub in a heart beat , but we just got sick of it being all about scenario's , same reason we quit wow pretty much.

Originally posted by Urrelles

 

Better yet, make tier 4 scenerios be a no gains by scenerio on all the servers.  Once you hit teir 4 you gotta do the REAL RvR if you want to gain those massive ranks etc.  That's what they did in DAOC.  You had battlegrounds up to level 40, then after that your last 10 levels were strictly open RvR.

 

I think having LvL 35-40 or even 38-40 only gains Pts in oRvR. Like in DAoC LvL cap could not remain in a BG. Also, I think everyone needs to let the casual gamers get to end game. I played DAoC for several years. It took 6months to a year before RvR was in full swing.

I'd resub if there were no scenarions probably. I would rather have the BG system in daoc though. No queue, for various level brackets. Basically it would be the open rvr, but just restricting levels for lower end probably. So like 1-10, 11-20 etc. or even smaller differences like daoc had of 5 levels.

I loved the BGs in daoc, and the frontiers for higher end rvr. I had some fun in WAR, but it got old fast. I think they just kind of messed up the whole point of the game with scenarios. I rather be able to kill the enemy all day long in rvr in form of open or daoc BG and level that way than have to wait in a longer queue than the battle takes. Considering i found the pve mostly boring, and the rvr fun when I got to do some, I really don't want to pve more than rvr as I wait in a queue.