Originally posted by ahsoooon

it's not from me, it's from wikipedia

Same thing really, a reference source that can be changed or modified by the viewer to suit the viewers needs.

Ok, I have to admit this: when a game really pissed me off, either by serious bugs or broken promises or other things I want to take my revenge on it for the wasted time and money. Its human, and I feel its justified when I payed for something to have a fews words in a discussion. Thats why opinion is free, everyone can have one and say it. I dont see where the problem is. You know, I am damn sure there are a lot more ranter who PLAY the games they criticise than there are blind fanbois who do!

The ranter usually is the disappointed lover, the ex. If we rant about games, it because we want them to become better, and I just feel MMOs can be a LOT better than what we got so far, so there is still a lot work to do and a lot to critizise. Sometimes its rational, sometimes a personal critique. I can understand that baseless moaning or personal attacs lead to nothing, but the process of improvement leads through critique, thats how things someday can get better. The only problem is, that its a very one-sided process usually, since Devs just dont listen and fall into endless litanis of justification.

Its a bit like in the cold war: they build the walls of fanboism higher and thicker and we have to attack them with a larger and stronger ram, and so it goes on. There are only two things you can do, get popcorn and enjoy the show or stay back and pray for better times.

Originally posted by Elikal

Ok, I have to admit this: when a game really pissed me off, either by serious bugs or broken promises or other things I want to take my revenge on it for the wasted time and money. Its human, and I feel its justified when I payed for something to have a fews words in a discussion. Thats why opinion is free, everyone can have one and say it. I dont see where the problem is. You know, I am damn sure there are a lot more ranter who PLAY the games they criticise than there are blind fanbois who do!

The ranter usually is the disappointed lover, the ex. If we rant about games, it because we want them to become better, and I just feel MMOs can be a LOT better than what we got so far, so there is still a lot work to do and a lot to critizise. Sometimes its rational, sometimes a personal critique. I can understand that baseless moaning or personal attacs lead to nothing, but the process of improvement leads through critique, thats how things someday can get better. The only problem is, that its a very one-sided process usually, since Devs just dont listen and fall into endless litanis of justification.

Its a bit like in the cold war: they build the walls of fanboism higher and thicker and we have to attack them with a larger and stronger ram, and so it goes on. There are only two things you can do, get popcorn and enjoy the show or stay back and pray for better times.

Very mature post Elikal, as always. :)

However (I know I use this word a lot) there is a difference between being objectively critical of a game (like I am of EVE for example) and simply making up or overblowing your points in order to make your point (and therefore yourself) superior.

Here's my EVE criticism:

Me: I love combat in EVE and PvP in general but those death penalties are too harsh.

EVE "fanboi": But you can get into a guild! They'll pay your repairs and ships and all!

Me: Sorry, but I really don't dig excessive guild play. I'm a casual, got RL responsibilites etc.. It's a pity I won't get to enjoy the game's finer moments but it really isn't for me.

See? I'm not making up crap here just to justify emotionally why some game isn't my thing. 80% of all the negative posters here would say "ZOMG EVE death penalties iz crap! The game is crap! All the people playing it and not seeing that it's crap are retards because I am the measure of all things forever and ever!".... and then they'll go on and invent and overblow BS how EVE is... dunno.. they'll invent something. It is a basic psychological compensation thing. People take games too seriously and invest too much ego in them, that's sure. These boards have deteriorated to the level of football fan shouting matches.

Originally posted by Elikal

Ok, I have to admit this: when a game really pissed me off, either by serious bugs or broken promises or other things I want to take my revenge on it for the wasted time and money. Its human, and I feel its justified when I payed for something to have a fews words in a discussion. Thats why opinion is free, everyone can have one and say it. I dont see where the problem is. You know, I am damn sure there are a lot more ranter who PLAY the games they criticise than there are blind fanbois who do!

The ranter usually is the disappointed lover, the ex. If we rant about games, it because we want them to become better, and I just feel MMOs can be a LOT better than what we got so far, so there is still a lot work to do and a lot to critizise. Sometimes its rational, sometimes a personal critique. I can understand that baseless moaning or personal attacs lead to nothing, but the process of improvement leads through critique, thats how things someday can get better. The only problem is, that its a very one-sided process usually, since Devs just dont listen and fall into endless litanis of justification.

Its a bit like in the cold war: they build the walls of fanboism higher and thicker and we have to attack them with a larger and stronger ram, and so it goes on. There are only two things you can do, get popcorn and enjoy the show or stay back and pray for better times.

So ..anyone who disagrees with you is full of fanboism?   That label right there would tend to make me pass your post by entirely.   Only because it represents an opinion that doesn't want to hear any other opinion but its own.  

There is no one-sided process with Mythic....do you use the feedback option?  If you do..then good on you.  If you don't that there is your option.

Mythic does listen, does take feedback from their paying subscribers seriously,  I do know that.   How well they listen or pay attention may be a factor that puts people off sometimes.

I think the bottom line with Mythic is they are striving to succeed and anything that puts them closer to that goal is going to be looked at.   I am pretty sure they are not out to make their project fail, nor rip folks off.

The process of improvement does indeed require criticisms and critique, it just depends on how its done and if it comes off as ...ranting and raving or if it comes off as measured, logical thought.

Most times on these and other forums, ..it just comes off as someone frothing at the mouth like a rabid dog. ( nor referring to you of course..let me say that.)

I would suggest too that in order to get Mythic's attention that you contact them more directly....here posts are likely to be buried forever in the massive litany of complaining and gnashing of teeth over real and imagined wrongs.

Cend

Lets face it if you had a legitimate complaint you wouldn't be posting it here.

People who come here to cry about these games are here to bitch and nothing more. Its all about how the game didn't  live up to their expectations and must therefore be garbage.

Bottom line is you cant please everyone. You people here complaining either have never actually played it or played it for a short time (its only been out a short time) and didn't like it. Thats your opinion and you are entitled to it however you have already expressed your dissatisfaction by canceling your account. I'm sure the game developers got the message that you didn't like THEIR game however coming here and making posts that say a game is trash simply because it doesn't work the way YOU want it to is just childish.

As for those of you who come here and read these posts believing that when some jaded troll says that the game "suxxors" it means you wont like it either and shouldn't try it for yourself?

You are a bunch of easily led cattle or sheep...... Lemmings even. You should all be neutered to insure that you don't breed more easily influenced mindless automatons like yourselves.

war's done, stick a fork in it. Everywhere is a ghost town. SC's popping once every half our. Nobody around anymore. It's become very boring. They lost 2 more accounts tonight. This is on Skull throne to!

Originally posted by xtwizx

war's done, stick a fork in it. Everywhere is a ghost town. SC's popping once every half our. Nobody around anymore. It's become very boring. They lost 2 more accounts tonight. This is on Skull throne to!

Huh... I'm on Vortex and we have Scenarios popping in under 6 minutes.  I even rerolled and saw people everywhere. The game is far from dead.

And just because the game is "done" in your mind doesn't mean that it is. But why am I arguing with a troll? *sigh*

Originally posted by VultureSkull

I look at the current topics on this fourm and see

War = AoC2
WAR is to repetitive.
I'm sadly disappointed
WAR is lacking in the gear department..
Bored Game
 

as topics, all complaining about one thing or another.

 

The simple answer to all these threads is

"If you dont like the game then move on"

There are over 39 released games listed on the left hand side of this site and a few more to boot, on the games drop down box.

If you dont like WAR go and try one of the others listed.

 

Ok you were expecting big things and were disappointed, so what, get over it, it is your own fault building up your expectations.

WAR has not been out very long and needs tweaking etc, just like any other MMO released. If you dont know this then you know nothing about MMOS.

 

To you think we really want to hear why "you" as an individual do not like the game?

WAR is what it is and if you dont like then tough, I wish you luck in find the ultimate MMO, i doubt you will ever find it, but good luck anyways.

 

 

Alright, enough of this.

You like the game so you post about why you like and discuss the aspects of the game yes?

So why can't someone who doesn't like it post why they don't and discuss the aspects of the game?

There are two sides to every story. I don't know about you but when I research something I try to find the Pros/Cons of it, and not just the Pros. If someone feels that it is repetitive, they should post it. Because if Johnny wants to get WAR, but doesn't like [mechanic] because it is repetitive, he would read that post, and then know it is not for him.

Not every MMO is for everyone, just because someone doesn't like your current doesn't mean that they are wrong and should be shunned from existence.

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Originally posted by VultureSkull

Originally posted by Zayne3145

Why should WAR be immune to negative comments? Every game has people who both love and hate it. They're called opinions, and that's what a forum is for.

You draw your own conclusions from what you read and if a game has a lot of negative press, then it is quite obvious that you should avoid it. This forum is the main reason I personally did not try WAR.

 

Well more fool you for listening to trolls on this forum to extent that you did not even try it ROFL!

You allow someone's impression of the game dictate what you do, that is sad. Do you not know what the majority of posters are like on these forums?

As to your comment about being immune from negative comments, ofc it is not, but the continous posts by narrow minded people, saying things like i am bored doing Scenario's over and over again, when they have choice not to do so are not negative comments about the game but negative comments about themselves!

 

 

Yes, but some player comments, both negative and positive are actually quite informative. If someone said they didn't like a game for this reason or that reason, it may be similar to what another person might not like it for. I personally was stoked for WARs release, a firm believer in Mythic because of how much I loved DAoC. Unfortunately, WAR was not DAoC 2 and in all actuality, wasn't even close. I'm not saying WAR is a bad game, just not up to par in terms of DAoC standards for RvR. This is of course my opinion. It just happens to be negative.

People like the OP often times thinks that negative posts from people are trolls who havent played the game. This is very saddening, there are people who legitimately played the game and give credible arguments and opinions as to why its not a game for them, but the fanbois are so blind that they just assume people are trolls for not liking the game.

Originally posted by JonMichael

VultureSkull,

While I totally agree with you... don't feed the trolls. 

If you notice, lately many of the troll posts go by with no replies and that's a good thing.  If the posts are ignored, they'll get bored and head to another game to trash. 

I've stopped replying to them myself and spend time looking for positive information about the game instead of getting angry about people posting things that are completely untrue.

You have to feel sorry for these people.  Instead of moving on to a game they like and being positive, they'd rather spend their time trash talking games that are successful that they don't want to be.

What a sad, sad life they have. ;)

 

"If you notice, lately many of the troll posts go by with no replies and that's a good thing"
 

so very true.

Originally posted by markoraos

Originally posted by Elikal

Ok, I have to admit this: when a game really pissed me off, either by serious bugs or broken promises or other things I want to take my revenge on it for the wasted time and money. Its human, and I feel its justified when I payed for something to have a fews words in a discussion. Thats why opinion is free, everyone can have one and say it. I dont see where the problem is. You know, I am damn sure there are a lot more ranter who PLAY the games they criticise than there are blind fanbois who do!

The ranter usually is the disappointed lover, the ex. If we rant about games, it because we want them to become better, and I just feel MMOs can be a LOT better than what we got so far, so there is still a lot work to do and a lot to critizise. Sometimes its rational, sometimes a personal critique. I can understand that baseless moaning or personal attacs lead to nothing, but the process of improvement leads through critique, thats how things someday can get better. The only problem is, that its a very one-sided process usually, since Devs just dont listen and fall into endless litanis of justification.

Its a bit like in the cold war: they build the walls of fanboism higher and thicker and we have to attack them with a larger and stronger ram, and so it goes on. There are only two things you can do, get popcorn and enjoy the show or stay back and pray for better times.

 

Very mature post Elikal, as always. :)

However (I know I use this word a lot) there is a difference between being objectively critical of a game (like I am of EVE for example) and simply making up or overblowing your points in order to make your point (and therefore yourself) superior.

Here's my EVE criticism:

Me: I love combat in EVE and PvP in general but those death penalties are too harsh.

EVE "fanboi": But you can get into a guild! They'll pay your repairs and ships and all!

Me: Sorry, but I really don't dig excessive guild play. I'm a casual, got RL responsibilites etc.. It's a pity I won't get to enjoy the game's finer moments but it really isn't for me.

See? I'm not making up crap here just to justify emotionally why some game isn't my thing. 80% of all the negative posters here would say "ZOMG EVE death penalties iz crap! The game is crap! All the people playing it and not seeing that it's crap are retards because I am the measure of all things forever and ever!".... and then they'll go on and invent and overblow BS how EVE is... dunno.. they'll invent something. It is a basic psychological compensation thing. People take games too seriously and invest too much ego in them, that's sure. These boards have deteriorated to the level of football fan shouting matches.

"there is a difference between being objectively critical of a game (like I am of EVE for example) and simply making up or overblowing your points"
 

alot of what is said by people who hate this game is simply not true.  Most of the people making up lies about WAR do not even play the game, nor have they ever.  They dont want WAR to succeed and will post negative lies and misinformation with their abundance of free time.

Originally posted by VultureSkull

I look at the current topics on this fourm and see

War = AoC2
WAR is to repetitive.
I'm sadly disappointed
WAR is lacking in the gear department..
Bored Game
 

as topics, all complaining about one thing or another.

 

The simple answer to all these threads is

"If you dont like the game then move on"

There are over 39 released games listed on the left hand side of this site and a few more to boot, on the games drop down box.

If you dont like WAR go and try one of the others listed.

 

Ok you were expecting big things and were disappointed, so what, get over it, it is your own fault building up your expectations.

WAR has not been out very long and needs tweaking etc, just like any other MMO released. If you dont know this then you know nothing about MMOS.

 

To you think we really want to hear why "you" as an individual do not like the game?

WAR is what it is and if you dont like then tough, I wish you luck in find the ultimate MMO, i doubt you will ever find it, but good luck anyways.

 

 

Originally posted by VultureSkull

I look at the current topics on this fourm and see

War = AoC2
WAR is to repetitive.
I'm sadly disappointed
WAR is lacking in the gear department..
Bored Game
 

as topics, all complaining about one thing or another.

 

The simple answer to all these threads is

"If you dont like the game then move on"

There are over 39 released games listed on the left hand side of this site and a few more to boot, on the games drop down box.

If you dont like WAR go and try one of the others listed.

 

Ok you were expecting big things and were disappointed, so what, get over it, it is your own fault building up your expectations.

WAR has not been out very long and needs tweaking etc, just like any other MMO released. If you dont know this then you know nothing about MMOS.

 

To you think we really want to hear why "you" as an individual do not like the game?

WAR is what it is and if you dont like then tough, I wish you luck in find the ultimate MMO, i doubt you will ever find it, but good luck anyways.

 

 

Nice post, but lets not blame the players for the outcome by assuming to know what everyones expectations were.  Saying things like this generalizes anyone with a complaint in an attempt to invalidate them. 

I enjoy reading your posts Vulture, but I don't see any justification in blaming the players.  I'm sure there are plenty of people who were not banking high hopes on this game and just wanted something to kick around for fun and it didn't deliver that.  There is a long list of problems in the game that can easily turn people away despite their expectations.  Most of the problems can be fixed, but they certainly contributed to peoples experiences regardless of their expectations.

Your whole post smells of "go away quietly, we only want to hear from the fans of the game". 

Originally posted by kishe

Originally posted by Zayne3145

Why should WAR be immune to negative comments? Every game has people who both love and hate it. They're called opinions, and that's what a forum is for.

You draw your own conclusions from what you read and if a game has a lot of negative press, then it is quite obvious that you should avoid it. This forum is the main reason I personally did not try WAR.

 

Negative comments are one thing...Bringing out same negative comments in a whole new thread 7 times a week like a broken record is not.

 

 

This happens in every highly discussed forum on this site. WAR is not the first and certainly won't be the last.

AoC prelaunch?  Post launch....

And Im a DF fanboy so you can only imagine what goes on in that forum.