AoC was a great game... after tortage lol... that place got really boring after my first character made it through.....got a dark templar to level 50 before quitting the game, would probly still go back at some point.

Loved the combat system, im so tired of being able to afk mid fight and come back to a dead mob, was nice actually having to do some work,...only real downside i had wasnt so much wiht the game but wiht the company lol, when they threw in the nerf bat at stuff it was a hard core beating, and they were doing that stuff instead of fixin classes that were still broken.

all in all was a good game and maybe when i get completely bored of warhammer i may reactivate and see what all good things they have done to it in my absence.

Originally posted by Hamrtime2

 

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Originally posted by Azrile

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Originally posted by Juudaspappi

 

.. as it is now, would you have stayed?

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I probably wouldn't.  But only because of Wrath.   AOC now is a better game than Warhammer ( if you play on the right servers).  The newest patches are adding endgame content (dungeons and zones), which is what the game was sorely lacking back in July.  They have mostly fixed the client.
If aoc had launched today, it would be stealing thousands of players from Warhammer.

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Warhammer is so far superior to AoC you cant compare the two. Even though I no longer play Warhammer, War is so much better its not funny. Azrile.....go back to your WoW forums and stay there. I take it when Darkfall is released you will do one of two things. Make a new acount and bash Darkfall and praise WoW, or use the same forum name and bash darkfall anyway hopeing no one sees you for what you are.

What does this have to do with WOW?   You are upset because I said AOC is better than Warhammer (right now).   AOC is currently losing less than 4% of it's players every week.  That means for the most part 96% are fairly happy with their gameplay.   Warhammer is losing about 20% of it's players per week.   There are a lot more very negative comments from current players on warhammer forums then there are here (from current players).  Most of the reasons I quit AOC have been fixed, client crashes, broken seiges, stats and itemization etc.  The only thing keeping me from trying AOC again is the reputation of Funcom and server pops.    Warhammer had a stable client and is backed by a decent company.. however the gameplay design is broken ( nobody does oRvR because of scenarios) and the combat was just slow, clunky and outdated.   AOC fixed most of it's issues, Warhammer isn't even going in the right direction.. they have made scenarios even easier to get into.

I'm not going to play Darkfall.  I don't consider it a viable product.  Its 95% vaporware at this point and it just a bunch of ideas written down on paper and a video.   If (big if) they ever do an open beta I will read more about it and might change my mind, but at this point, its not even on my radar.    The ideas sound nice on paper, but remember when everyone clamored about Warhammer being massive open pvp with a purpose and has since turned into scenariohammer and people don't even bother defending their cities because it doesn't matter if you lose them.    Great games are less about 'great ideas' and more about great execution of decent ideas. 

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Definitely not. I quit AoC before I even got out of tortage because I thought the combat was horrible, the instancing killed immersion, and the game was all around (TORTAGE was) boring. Don't think any of those have been fixed.

 

That explains a lot. Thanks for your admission. Many people such as yourself never got off "noob" island. Makes me want to shake my head and make a 'tutting' sound. Such a shame. Don't get me wrong to judge the game on tortage like many reviews was mentioned wrong, either way. How many loading screens did you come across in Tortage, remember? Tortage is a pain but also a mild introduction. There is a story to be told. Did you try any different classes? and definately no PvP :( 

I can appreciate that might all you might need to pass judgement, but really it does offer a lot more later on, the basis being GvG play.

I could not bear the thought of having to redo Tortage over and over and over just to try different classes. Don't take that wrong because Tortage was definitly did very very well in my opinion, just too bad it is the only newbie path and once through it is enough for me.

I am still mildly peeved at Turbine for not adding more lvl 15 to 30 content because in the past two years ( 6 months of beta and 18 months of release) I have done the Lone Lands and N Downs to where I have most of the quests to where I know them by heart. But at least in LoTRO I can craft my gear and grind mobs instead of doing quests to get though those levels.

Anyway I qut AoC in my mid levels for a variety of reasons, mostly due to the over strict pathing and instancing. PvP cannot carry a MMO. Even the RvR in DAoC got old after awhile and it was the best PvP I have ever played

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Definitely not. I quit AoC before I even got out of tortage because I thought the combat was horrible, the instancing killed immersion, and the game was all around (TORTAGE was) boring. Don't think any of those have been fixed.

 

That explains a lot. Thanks for your admission. Many people such as yourself never got off "noob" island. Makes me want to shake my head and make a 'tutting' sound. Such a shame. Don't get me wrong to judge the game on tortage like many reviews was mentioned wrong, either way. How many loading screens did you come across in Tortage, remember? Tortage is a pain but also a mild introduction. There is a story to be told. Did you try any different classes? and definately no PvP :( 

I can appreciate that might all you might need to pass judgement, but really it does offer a lot more later on, the basis being GvG play.

 

I could not bear the thought of having to redo Tortage over and over and over just to try different classes. Don't take that wrong because Tortage was definitly did very very well in my opinion, just too bad it is the only newbie path and once through it is enough for me.

I am still mildly peeved at Turbine for not adding more lvl 15 to 30 content because in the past two years ( 6 months of beta and 18 months of release) I have done the Lone Lands and N Downs to where I have most of the quests to where I know them by heart. But at least in LoTRO I can craft my gear and grind mobs instead of doing quests to get though those levels.

Anyway I qut AoC in my mid levels for a variety of reasons, mostly due to the over strict pathing and instancing. PvP cannot carry a MMO. Even the RvR in DAoC got old after awhile and it was the best PvP I have ever played

I agree on this one. Tortage is not as fun as the rest of the game. I liked post 20 best.

Originally posted by Transporter

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Definitely not. I quit AoC before I even got out of tortage because I thought the combat was horrible, the instancing killed immersion, and the game was all around (TORTAGE was) boring. Don't think any of those have been fixed.

 

That explains a lot. Thanks for your admission. Many people such as yourself never got off "noob" island. Makes me want to shake my head and make a 'tutting' sound. Such a shame. Don't get me wrong to judge the game on tortage like many reviews was mentioned wrong, either way. How many loading screens did you come across in Tortage, remember? Tortage is a pain but also a mild introduction. There is a story to be told. Did you try any different classes? and definately no PvP :( 

I can appreciate that might all you might need to pass judgement, but really it does offer a lot more later on, the basis being GvG play.

 

I could not bear the thought of having to redo Tortage over and over and over just to try different classes. Don't take that wrong because Tortage was definitly did very very well in my opinion, just too bad it is the only newbie path and once through it is enough for me.

I am still mildly peeved at Turbine for not adding more lvl 15 to 30 content because in the past two years ( 6 months of beta and 18 months of release) I have done the Lone Lands and N Downs to where I have most of the quests to where I know them by heart. But at least in LoTRO I can craft my gear and grind mobs instead of doing quests to get though those levels.

Anyway I qut AoC in my mid levels for a variety of reasons, mostly due to the over strict pathing and instancing. PvP cannot carry a MMO. Even the RvR in DAoC got old after awhile and it was the best PvP I have ever played

 

I agree on this one. Tortage is not as fun as the rest of the game. I liked post 20 best.

even post 20 it was paint by numbers leveling, hallway style areas and instancing, and no worthwhile crafting etc etc. The post 20 areas did not have as much atmosphere to me either. if the game had consisted of 20 or 30 areas did as well as Tortage I would still be playing maybe. Or maybe not, like I said paint by the numbers leveling and no real freedom of movement just sucked. Not to mention the still not itemized loot tables, no crafting, no item customization...sighh the list goes on and on. Definitly a B or C class MMO.

I got to level 50 in AoC before I just couldn't take the boredom anymore, I at least got some small degree of enjoyment out of tortage and the pre level 20 content. Of course that pre-content only lasted about a day, so a day's worth of enjoyment is hardly worth the price. I could get several months worth out of enjoyment of other mmo's so... why play AoC at all? No reason to, unless you are finding yourself not appreciating all the fun that other games have, and you need to lower the bar. Level 50 is over halfway through the game so you can't say i didn't give it a fair chance.

I know there are tons of features that I took for granted in other games, and having played AoC, I now see just how bad it is when they aren't around. So I guess I have that to be thankful for. Of course, 'AoC - so bad we make you appreciate what you had in other games' is probably not much of a compliment.

But alls well that end well. Dumped that game and switched to WAR, so much happier.

Originally posted by Grunties

I got to level 50 in AoC before I just couldn't take the boredom anymore, I at least got some small degree of enjoyment out of tortage and the pre level 20 content. Of course that pre-content only lasted about a day, so a day's worth of enjoyment is hardly worth the price. I could get several months worth out of enjoyment of other mmo's so... why play AoC at all? No reason to, unless you are finding yourself not appreciating all the fun that other games have, and you need to lower the bar. Level 50 is over halfway through the game so you can't say i didn't give it a fair chance.

I know there are tons of features that I took for granted in other games, and having played AoC, I now see just how bad it is when they aren't around. So I guess I have that to be thankful for. Of course, 'AoC - so bad we make you appreciate what you had in other games' is probably not much of a compliment.

But alls well that end well. Dumped that game and switched to WAR, so much happier.

 

Why did you get bored? AoC in terms of quest and PvP isn't much diffrent than any other game out there. WAR's horrible in both respects and even worst than most games out there. Mini game RvR grind which takes no skill = boring to me. if you like that then play war, just don't be suprised when you leave that game for WoW.

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by Grunties

I got to level 50 in AoC before I just couldn't take the boredom anymore, I at least got some small degree of enjoyment out of tortage and the pre level 20 content. Of course that pre-content only lasted about a day, so a day's worth of enjoyment is hardly worth the price. I could get several months worth out of enjoyment of other mmo's so... why play AoC at all? No reason to, unless you are finding yourself not appreciating all the fun that other games have, and you need to lower the bar. Level 50 is over halfway through the game so you can't say i didn't give it a fair chance.

I know there are tons of features that I took for granted in other games, and having played AoC, I now see just how bad it is when they aren't around. So I guess I have that to be thankful for. Of course, 'AoC - so bad we make you appreciate what you had in other games' is probably not much of a compliment.

But alls well that end well. Dumped that game and switched to WAR, so much happier.

 

 

Why did you get bored? AoC in terms of quest and PvP isn't much diffrent than any other game out there.

Exactly - It isn't different. It isn't new. Same thing ive done a million times before. Very good reason why it would be boring. Same reason why i wouldn't go back to WoW.

WAR's horrible in both respects and even worst than most games out there.

You speak like that is more than just your opinion. WAR is very good in both respects and even better than most games out there. The quests themselves may not have blown the top off of questing as we know it, but unlike other games out there, they serve a purpose besides just xp. Same goes for everything else in the game. All contributes toward faction control. People can choose to participate in what they want and know it still has an overall benefit to the faction.

Mini game RvR grind which takes no skill = boring to me. if you like that then play war, just don't be suprised when you leave that game for WoW.

I like epic rvr battles that require skill, tactics, and organization, so thats why I play WAR. It is nothing like what you described it as. Minigames and instancing is what AoC is all about, so if you like skillless button mashing minigame pvp that serves no purpose, play AoC, your choice. However, keep in mind that it is that crap that has caused AoC to have a low niche population and bottom of the barrel stock prices. No one except the most extremist of fanboys has interest in playing that, or supporting it. 

Originally posted by Grunties

Mini game RvR grind which takes no skill = boring to me. if you like that then play war, just don't be suprised when you leave that game for WoW.

I like epic rvr battles that require skill, tactics, and organization, so thats why I play WAR. It is nothing like what you described it as. Minigames and instancing is what AoC is all about, so if you like skillless button mashing minigame pvp that serves no purpose, play AoC, your choice. However, keep in mind that it is that crap that has caused AoC to have a low niche population and bottom of the barrel stock prices. No one except the most extremist of fanboys has interest in playing that, or supporting it. 

 

Its a zerg we all know it. No skill, no tactic's I pointed all this out a year ago - remember that thread?  It's all come true. And now your showing your true colours (which I knew back then too)

If AoC had been released as it is now it would of retained a lot more subs. Warhammer has gone down in history as losing the most subs in such a short space of time..

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Definitely not. I quit AoC before I even got out of tortage because I thought the combat was horrible, the instancing killed immersion, and the game was all around (TORTAGE was) boring. Don't think any of those have been fixed.

 

That explains a lot. Thanks for your admission. Many people such as yourself never got off "noob" island. Makes me want to shake my head and make a 'tutting' sound. Such a shame. Don't get me wrong to judge the game on tortage like many reviews was mentioned wrong, either way. How many loading screens did you come across in Tortage, remember? Tortage is a pain but also a mild introduction. There is a story to be told. Did you try any different classes? and definately no PvP :( 

I can appreciate that might all you might need to pass judgement, but really it does offer a lot more later on, the basis being GvG play.

The only problem with this line of thought Avery is you would be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks this game improves after you leave Tortage it is actually pretty universally accepted that if the rest of the game matched the polish of tortage this game would be acceptible (I only say acceptable because I still think it would be prett bad as Tortage doesn't address any of my problems with it.

Originally posted by Kilmar

Originally posted by Elsabolts

How are the hundreds of pvp battles at one time going in DX10.

 

hundreds of players arent possible even in the way worse warhammer graphics, stupid point

I thought it was a good point since I recall hearing FUNCOM say this was going to be possible.

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by Grunties

Mini game RvR grind which takes no skill = boring to me. if you like that then play war, just don't be suprised when you leave that game for WoW.

I like epic rvr battles that require skill, tactics, and organization, so thats why I play WAR. It is nothing like what you described it as. Minigames and instancing is what AoC is all about, so if you like skillless button mashing minigame pvp that serves no purpose, play AoC, your choice. However, keep in mind that it is that crap that has caused AoC to have a low niche population and bottom of the barrel stock prices. No one except the most extremist of fanboys has interest in playing that, or supporting it. 

 

 

Its a zerg we all know it. No skill, no tactic's I pointed all this out a year ago - remember that thread?  It's all come true. And now your showing your true colours (which I knew back then too)

If AoC had been released as it is now it would of retained a lot more subs. Warhammer has gone down in history as losing the most subs in such a short space of time..

1 difference though Avery is even if you somehow know that WAR lost more subs than AOC which I doubt you have any real basis for this point they didn't lie to alot of the customer base are people finding war isn't the game for them sure but there is nowhere near the polarizing mismanagement that FUNCOM subjected the MMO community to.

no, for the Conan World, its too small.  i think it needs MANY more zones before i come back.  The games appeal lies in following in/exploring Conans world.  its a bit hard when all you have is a tiny part of that world.

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by Grunties

Mini game RvR grind which takes no skill = boring to me. if you like that then play war, just don't be suprised when you leave that game for WoW.

I like epic rvr battles that require skill, tactics, and organization, so thats why I play WAR. It is nothing like what you described it as. Minigames and instancing is what AoC is all about, so if you like skillless button mashing minigame pvp that serves no purpose, play AoC, your choice. However, keep in mind that it is that crap that has caused AoC to have a low niche population and bottom of the barrel stock prices. No one except the most extremist of fanboys has interest in playing that, or supporting it. 

 

 

Its a zerg we all know it. No skill, no tactic's I pointed all this out a year ago - remember that thread?  It's all come true. And now your showing your true colours (which I knew back then too)

If AoC had been released as it is now it would of retained a lot more subs. Warhammer has gone down in history as losing the most subs in such a short space of time..

So what level is your WAR character Avery?? I hear you complaining all the time that people cannot dislike AoC unless they are currently playing AoC, so how about it?

If AoC were released today it would still be an epic failure. The truth is the game has too many core flaws that no amount of patching will ever fix. And with qaulity MMO's such as WoW, WAR, EQ1 and EQ2, EVE, GW's, and others, why would anyone want to pay for a failure such as AoC?

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Its a zerg we all know it. No skill, no tactic's I pointed all this out a year ago - remember that thread?  It's all come true. And now your showing your true colours (which I knew back then too)

If AoC had been released as it is now it would of retained a lot more subs. Warhammer has gone down in history as losing the most subs in such a short space of time..

Never understood the constant comparisons between the two.

  I vote they use that for Age of Conan's marketing slogan, "Sh!tty, but not as Sh!tty as Warhammer!"

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by Grunties

I got to level 50 in AoC before I just couldn't take the boredom anymore, I at least got some small degree of enjoyment out of tortage and the pre level 20 content. Of course that pre-content only lasted about a day, so a day's worth of enjoyment is hardly worth the price. I could get several months worth out of enjoyment of other mmo's so... why play AoC at all? No reason to, unless you are finding yourself not appreciating all the fun that other games have, and you need to lower the bar. Level 50 is over halfway through the game so you can't say i didn't give it a fair chance.

I know there are tons of features that I took for granted in other games, and having played AoC, I now see just how bad it is when they aren't around. So I guess I have that to be thankful for. Of course, 'AoC - so bad we make you appreciate what you had in other games' is probably not much of a compliment.

But alls well that end well. Dumped that game and switched to WAR, so much happier.

 

 

Why did you get bored? AoC in terms of quest and PvP isn't much diffrent than any other game out there. WAR's horrible in both respects and even worst than most games out there. Mini game RvR grind which takes no skill = boring to me. if you like that then play war, just don't be suprised when you leave that game for WoW.

Have you actually played WAR, Xpiher?  If so, can you please elaborate on WAR's horrible PVE, and perhaps contrast it with AoC's PVE?  What exactly is horrible about it?  What do you think about PQs?

Also, can you do the same regarding both games' PvP?

By the way, what are your thoughts on the Tome of Knowledge?

As an aside, having played both games, it's my opinion that AoC doesn't take any more or less skill than any other game out there, no matter how desparately AoC players need to feel it does, and are so insecure they need others to acknowledge it.

Same thing with PvP.  AoC players desparately want to believe their game is "PvP-centric", to further validate their internet tough-guy status.  Unfortunately, it's not - the game didn't even launch with a PvP system, and the one they tacked on to it two months ago is one of the weakest ones in the genre.

WAR, on the other hand, is a PvP game at its core - everything in the game revolves around it and RvR.

It's my opinion that WAR is better than AoC in both PvE (significantly) and PvP (greatly).

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by Grunties

Mini game RvR grind which takes no skill = boring to me. if you like that then play war, just don't be suprised when you leave that game for WoW.

I like epic rvr battles that require skill, tactics, and organization, so thats why I play WAR. It is nothing like what you described it as. Minigames and instancing is what AoC is all about, so if you like skillless button mashing minigame pvp that serves no purpose, play AoC, your choice. However, keep in mind that it is that crap that has caused AoC to have a low niche population and bottom of the barrel stock prices. No one except the most extremist of fanboys has interest in playing that, or supporting it. 

 

 

Its a zerg we all know it. No skill, no tactic's I pointed all this out a year ago - remember that thread?  It's all come true. And now your showing your true colours (which I knew back then too)

If AoC had been released as it is now it would of retained a lot more subs. Warhammer has gone down in history as losing the most subs in such a short space of time..

Oh boy, the AoC mouthpiece running down another game.  What a shocker!

So, how many subs exactly has WAR lost, Avery?  I sincerely doubt it's as many as AoC lost in its first two months, but please, dazzle us with your official knowledge of WAR subscriptions.

But let's do some geometry.  If I read Avery's point correctly, WAR sucks, and the proof is the loss of subscriptions.

Given the hundreds of thousands of subscriptions that AoC lost, does that also mean it sucks, too?

As another poster asked, I'd also like to know what level your WAR main is, Avery.

Or perhaps I should use your line of persuasion straight from the AoC propaganda handbook: if you haven't played WAR since beta, or since September, or at all, you don't know all the changes that have been made, and therefore your opinion is dated and worthless.  Maybe just like you try to sell everyone with AoC, WAR is a whole new, improved game with every patch....