Originally posted by daylight01

Originally posted by Vespers

I have to agree with the overwhelming majority of the posters in thread in that Mythic did indeed give enough warning through the email.
I have been playing MMOs for about 15 years now and pretty much every single company has the automatic monthly payment system in place. In fact, the Charge 1 Month ONLY option is either very new or very rare. Most every other P2P MMO on the market will ask for your credit card info and then once you get your account set up for the month, the player will just cancel their account after being billed. That way their account is paid up for 1 month only. After the month is up the account will ask you to select payment again if you wish to continue playing.
The OP is over reacting or is simply new to playing MMOs and doesnt know how the industry standard works.

However, it was good that he did post the information, only next time he should just copy/post the email he received and forego the dramatics.

 

Sorry I am calling BS here.

A mmo company that doesnt give 1 month playtime?

Almost every mmo comes with 1 month free playtime and even after that you can sub for 1/3/6 month time at reduced rate for the longer you sub.

Even the likes of WoW you can sub for 1 month as with VG and etc etc so this is BS.

You misunderstood him. You see he has the word ONLY in cap after the 2 words 1 month. You see? He meant, the option to only subscribe for 1 month and that's it.

I am not even aware that the option to subscribe for 1 month only non-recuring was actually available because this is actually the first time I have heard of that option. I played every commercial MMORPG ever published in NA since UO and not once did I ever heard of that option.

Remember, the first month free does not count as regular subscription. It's a pre-paid, you already paid for it in the box price. When I created my account for WAR I did not have to enter any credit card number or pre-paid card and still be able to pay one month for free.

Now, beside that one month free, show me one commercial MMORPG in NA gives you the option to pay for 1 month non-recuring. I only need 1, give me one name.

PS: Actually, I take that back. You have the option for one month subscription non-recuring. It called pre-paid card. So, go buy a pre-paid card and you are set. What are you complaining about?

ok in that sense i do agree..... they should give a couple months notice that its gonna happen, to cover if somebody is away or what not.

Originally posted by Thachsanh

Originally posted by daylight01

Originally posted by Vespers

I have to agree with the overwhelming majority of the posters in thread in that Mythic did indeed give enough warning through the email.
I have been playing MMOs for about 15 years now and pretty much every single company has the automatic monthly payment system in place. In fact, the Charge 1 Month ONLY option is either very new or very rare. Most every other P2P MMO on the market will ask for your credit card info and then once you get your account set up for the month, the player will just cancel their account after being billed. That way their account is paid up for 1 month only. After the month is up the account will ask you to select payment again if you wish to continue playing.
The OP is over reacting or is simply new to playing MMOs and doesnt know how the industry standard works.

However, it was good that he did post the information, only next time he should just copy/post the email he received and forego the dramatics.

 

Sorry I am calling BS here.

A mmo company that doesnt give 1 month playtime?

Almost every mmo comes with 1 month free playtime and even after that you can sub for 1/3/6 month time at reduced rate for the longer you sub.

Even the likes of WoW you can sub for 1 month as with VG and etc etc so this is BS.

 

You misunderstood him. You see he has the word ONLY in cap after the 2 words 1 month. You see? He meant, the option to only subscribe for 1 month and that's it.

I am not even aware that the option to subscribe for 1 month only non-recuring was actually available because this is actually the first time I have heard of that option. I played every commercial MMORPG ever published in NA since UO and not once did I ever heard of that option.

Remember, the first month free does not count as regular subscription. It's a pre-paid, you already paid for it in the box price. When I created my account for WAR I did not have to enter any credit card number or pre-paid card and still be able to pay one month for free.

Now, beside that one month free, show me one commercial MMORPG in NA gives you the option to pay for 1 month non-recuring. I only need 1, give me one name.

You are kidding me right?

Almost every mmo gives you the choice of 1/3/6 month sub,I am sorry but I find it hard to believe you are being serious here.

Do some homework then ask again.1

Ok just to give you something to look into WoW gves a 1 month sub as does VG as does WAR as does..well you get the idea....

Originally posted by Thachsanh

Originally posted by daylight01

Originally posted by Vespers

I have to agree with the overwhelming majority of the posters in thread in that Mythic did indeed give enough warning through the email.
I have been playing MMOs for about 15 years now and pretty much every single company has the automatic monthly payment system in place. In fact, the Charge 1 Month ONLY option is either very new or very rare. Most every other P2P MMO on the market will ask for your credit card info and then once you get your account set up for the month, the player will just cancel their account after being billed. That way their account is paid up for 1 month only. After the month is up the account will ask you to select payment again if you wish to continue playing.
The OP is over reacting or is simply new to playing MMOs and doesnt know how the industry standard works.

However, it was good that he did post the information, only next time he should just copy/post the email he received and forego the dramatics.

 

Sorry I am calling BS here.

A mmo company that doesnt give 1 month playtime?

Almost every mmo comes with 1 month free playtime and even after that you can sub for 1/3/6 month time at reduced rate for the longer you sub.

Even the likes of WoW you can sub for 1 month as with VG and etc etc so this is BS.

 

You misunderstood him. You see he has the word ONLY in cap after the 2 words 1 month. You see? He meant, the option to only subscribe for 1 month and that's it.

I am not even aware that the option to subscribe for 1 month only non-recuring was actually available because this is actually the first time I have heard of that option. I played every commercial MMORPG ever published in NA since UO and not once did I ever heard of that option.

Remember, the first month free does not count as regular subscription. It's a pre-paid, you already paid for it in the box price. When I created my account for WAR I did not have to enter any credit card number or pre-paid card and still be able to pay one month for free.

Now, beside that one month free, show me one commercial MMORPG in NA gives you the option to pay for 1 month non-recuring. I only need 1, give me one name.

Im sorry but...Warhammer had an option on the 18th of october to pay for ONE MONTH ONLY and then you could click an option that made SURE (or so I thought) that you would NOT be automaticly charged for next month. 

Now - I would not be making any fuss about this if not for the fact that is stated clearly I would NOT be charged automaticly in the future. 

And like daylight said.  If you at SOME point in the last month (18th of oct to yesterday) desided to chancel your sub then you did not have to (or were not able to) cause you had ALREADY said you would not liked to be charged automaticly...

Now they changed that.   Im sorry but I dont care if ppl get sent 10000 emails.  This is NOT how to do things - no matter what other games or sex websites or whatever is doing.  This is a cheap trick to steal money of ppl instead of beeing honest and actually honor the custimors.

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Originally posted by daylight01

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Originally posted by Vespers

I have to agree with the overwhelming majority of the posters in thread in that Mythic did indeed give enough warning through the email.
I have been playing MMOs for about 15 years now and pretty much every single company has the automatic monthly payment system in place. In fact, the Charge 1 Month ONLY option is either very new or very rare. Most every other P2P MMO on the market will ask for your credit card info and then once you get your account set up for the month, the player will just cancel their account after being billed. That way their account is paid up for 1 month only. After the month is up the account will ask you to select payment again if you wish to continue playing.
The OP is over reacting or is simply new to playing MMOs and doesnt know how the industry standard works.
However, it was good that he did post the information, only next time he should just copy/post the email he received and forego the dramatics.

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Sorry I am calling BS here.
A mmo company that doesnt give 1 month playtime?
Almost every mmo comes with 1 month free playtime and even after that you can sub for 1/3/6 month time at reduced rate for the longer you sub.
Even the likes of WoW you can sub for 1 month as with VG and etc etc so this is BS.

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I can only assume that either you misread or misunderstood what I wrote.
Either way, I am correct in my facts whether you wish to believe me or not.
In the future I suggest that you get your own facts straight before you call BS on what other players post. It will make you look less foolish, I promise

Originally posted by daylight01

Originally posted by Thachsanh

Originally posted by daylight01

Originally posted by Vespers

I have to agree with the overwhelming majority of the posters in thread in that Mythic did indeed give enough warning through the email.
I have been playing MMOs for about 15 years now and pretty much every single company has the automatic monthly payment system in place. In fact, the Charge 1 Month ONLY option is either very new or very rare. Most every other P2P MMO on the market will ask for your credit card info and then once you get your account set up for the month, the player will just cancel their account after being billed. That way their account is paid up for 1 month only. After the month is up the account will ask you to select payment again if you wish to continue playing.
The OP is over reacting or is simply new to playing MMOs and doesnt know how the industry standard works.

However, it was good that he did post the information, only next time he should just copy/post the email he received and forego the dramatics.

 

Sorry I am calling BS here.

A mmo company that doesnt give 1 month playtime?

Almost every mmo comes with 1 month free playtime and even after that you can sub for 1/3/6 month time at reduced rate for the longer you sub.

Even the likes of WoW you can sub for 1 month as with VG and etc etc so this is BS.

 

You misunderstood him. You see he has the word ONLY in cap after the 2 words 1 month. You see? He meant, the option to only subscribe for 1 month and that's it.

I am not even aware that the option to subscribe for 1 month only non-recuring was actually available because this is actually the first time I have heard of that option. I played every commercial MMORPG ever published in NA since UO and not once did I ever heard of that option.

Remember, the first month free does not count as regular subscription. It's a pre-paid, you already paid for it in the box price. When I created my account for WAR I did not have to enter any credit card number or pre-paid card and still be able to pay one month for free.

Now, beside that one month free, show me one commercial MMORPG in NA gives you the option to pay for 1 month non-recuring. I only need 1, give me one name.

 

You are kidding me right?

Almost every mmo gives you the choice of 1/3/6 month sub,I am sorry but I find it hard to believe you are being serious here.

Do some homework then ask again.1

Ok just to give you something to look into WoW gves a 1 month sub as does VG as does WAR as does..well you get the idea....

Actually, I am serious. Aside from the pre-paid card idea, give me one name that only charge you 1/3/6 month and not automatically renew that subscription when it run out.

Have you ever try to subscribe to WoW? If you chose 1 month subscription, it will bill you every month until you hit the cancel button. Is this what you call 1 month sub? It will bill you once a month but it's hardly a 1 month sub. Hell, if you don't cancel, it will bill you til the day it got shutdown.

Originally posted by Thachsanh

Originally posted by daylight01

Originally posted by Thachsanh

Originally posted by daylight01

Originally posted by Vespers

I have to agree with the overwhelming majority of the posters in thread in that Mythic did indeed give enough warning through the email.
I have been playing MMOs for about 15 years now and pretty much every single company has the automatic monthly payment system in place. In fact, the Charge 1 Month ONLY option is either very new or very rare. Most every other P2P MMO on the market will ask for your credit card info and then once you get your account set up for the month, the player will just cancel their account after being billed. That way their account is paid up for 1 month only. After the month is up the account will ask you to select payment again if you wish to continue playing.
The OP is over reacting or is simply new to playing MMOs and doesnt know how the industry standard works.

However, it was good that he did post the information, only next time he should just copy/post the email he received and forego the dramatics.

 

Sorry I am calling BS here.

A mmo company that doesnt give 1 month playtime?

Almost every mmo comes with 1 month free playtime and even after that you can sub for 1/3/6 month time at reduced rate for the longer you sub.

Even the likes of WoW you can sub for 1 month as with VG and etc etc so this is BS.

 

You misunderstood him. You see he has the word ONLY in cap after the 2 words 1 month. You see? He meant, the option to only subscribe for 1 month and that's it.

I am not even aware that the option to subscribe for 1 month only non-recuring was actually available because this is actually the first time I have heard of that option. I played every commercial MMORPG ever published in NA since UO and not once did I ever heard of that option.

Remember, the first month free does not count as regular subscription. It's a pre-paid, you already paid for it in the box price. When I created my account for WAR I did not have to enter any credit card number or pre-paid card and still be able to pay one month for free.

Now, beside that one month free, show me one commercial MMORPG in NA gives you the option to pay for 1 month non-recuring. I only need 1, give me one name.

 

You are kidding me right?

Almost every mmo gives you the choice of 1/3/6 month sub,I am sorry but I find it hard to believe you are being serious here.

Do some homework then ask again.1

Ok just to give you something to look into WoW gves a 1 month sub as does VG as does WAR as does..well you get the idea....

 

Actually, I am serious. Aside from the pre-paid card idea, give me one name that only charge you 1/3/6 month and not automatically renew that subscription when it run out.

Have you ever try to subscribe to WoW? If you chose 1 month subscription, it will bill you every month until you hit the cancel button. Is this what you call 1 month sub? It will bill you once a month but it's hardly a 1 month sub. Hell, if you don't cancel, it will bill you til the day it got shutdown.

Honest I give up...there is no telling some people.

Taxi for sinhealer!

Originally posted by Thachsanh

Originally posted by daylight01

Originally posted by Thachsanh

Originally posted by daylight01

Originally posted by Vespers

I have to agree with the overwhelming majority of the posters in thread in that Mythic did indeed give enough warning through the email.
I have been playing MMOs for about 15 years now and pretty much every single company has the automatic monthly payment system in place. In fact, the Charge 1 Month ONLY option is either very new or very rare. Most every other P2P MMO on the market will ask for your credit card info and then once you get your account set up for the month, the player will just cancel their account after being billed. That way their account is paid up for 1 month only. After the month is up the account will ask you to select payment again if you wish to continue playing.
The OP is over reacting or is simply new to playing MMOs and doesnt know how the industry standard works.

However, it was good that he did post the information, only next time he should just copy/post the email he received and forego the dramatics.

 

Sorry I am calling BS here.

A mmo company that doesnt give 1 month playtime?

Almost every mmo comes with 1 month free playtime and even after that you can sub for 1/3/6 month time at reduced rate for the longer you sub.

Even the likes of WoW you can sub for 1 month as with VG and etc etc so this is BS.

 

You misunderstood him. You see he has the word ONLY in cap after the 2 words 1 month. You see? He meant, the option to only subscribe for 1 month and that's it.

I am not even aware that the option to subscribe for 1 month only non-recuring was actually available because this is actually the first time I have heard of that option. I played every commercial MMORPG ever published in NA since UO and not once did I ever heard of that option.

Remember, the first month free does not count as regular subscription. It's a pre-paid, you already paid for it in the box price. When I created my account for WAR I did not have to enter any credit card number or pre-paid card and still be able to pay one month for free.

Now, beside that one month free, show me one commercial MMORPG in NA gives you the option to pay for 1 month non-recuring. I only need 1, give me one name.

 

You are kidding me right?

Almost every mmo gives you the choice of 1/3/6 month sub,I am sorry but I find it hard to believe you are being serious here.

Do some homework then ask again.1

Ok just to give you something to look into WoW gves a 1 month sub as does VG as does WAR as does..well you get the idea....

 

Actually, I am serious. Aside from the pre-paid card idea, give me one name that only charge you 1/3/6 month and not automatically renew that subscription when it run out.

Have you ever try to subscribe to WoW? If you chose 1 month subscription, it will bill you every month until you hit the cancel button. Is this what you call 1 month sub? It will bill you once a month but it's hardly a 1 month sub. Hell, if you don't cancel, it will bill you til the day it got shutdown.

Im also serious when I say that there was an option to make SURE that you did NOT get Automaticly charged...
 

I dont give a FLYING fuck what WOW or other games are doing.  I expect them to charge automatic if not stated otherwise.  But i DO expect a game that GIVES the option to ONLY pay for one month and NOT get automaticly charged to honor that.  You can go on and on about what other games are doing but that does NOT change the fact that Mythic has now changed the subscription option for ppl that THOUGHT that they would not be charged automaticly.   They even clicked an OPTION that made sure they would NOT be charged automaticly on their account..

Get it ?  

Yes, we ALL understand what you have been saying, over and over again. However, you are NOT understanding what we have all been saying.

YES, you chose the option that will ONLY charge your credit card for 1 month which would then auto-cancel your account.

Mythic, as well as ALL the other gaming companies which charge a monthly subscription fee to play their MMOs are entitled to change any and all of their billing practices provided they give the proper notice prior implementing the new changes.

You have stated that they did indeed send you an email.
You have stated that you have received the email.
You have stated that you have read the email.
You have even stated that you understand what the email said.

Is it just that you are lazy and that you dont want to log into your account and cancel your account manually instead of it being cancelled automatically?

Honestly, I dont think you will be getting much sympathy from these forums for being lazy.

Originally posted by Frobner

Im also serious when I say that there was an option to make SURE that you did NOT get Automaticly charged...
 

I dont give a FLYING fuck what WOW or other games are doing.  I expect them to charge automatic if not stated otherwise.  But i DO expect a game that GIVES the option to ONLY pay for one month and NOT get automaticly charged to honor that.  You can go on and on about what other games are doing but that does NOT change the fact that Mythic has now changed the subscription option for ppl that THOUGHT that they would not be charged automaticly.   They even clicked an OPTION that made sure they would NOT be charged automaticly on their account..

Get it ?  

My comment was not direct at you, dude. Chill. Like I said, that option is rare and it's not a standard way for subscription. It was nice that Mythic gave that option.

Now, it's not like they signed a contract with you saying they cannot change their system ever. They somehow decided that they will not give that option anymore, so? every other MMO out there don't have that option either, what's the big deal?

The only problem in the case is the grace period they gave. I understand that they should give a longer grace period to give people enough time to change the payment option, but they DID send out a warning.

If you did not catch it in time, it's not like you don't have any other way to resolve the issue. Just call your credit card company and ask for a charge back. Given the reason for the charge back is understandable like in this case, I don't think you have any problem.

Originally posted by Frobner

The diffrence is that when you bought your last montly sub there was an option to buy it WITHOUT Automaticly subing every month.  There was a SPECIAL button for that and those that think they will not be charged because of that WILL be charged now.

That is in my opinion a VERY low blow from Mythic.

If you're retarded enough to read the email and not do anything about it then you might need to be removed from the billing cycle of life.

Originally posted by Thachsanh

Originally posted by Frobner

Im also serious when I say that there was an option to make SURE that you did NOT get Automaticly charged...
 

I dont give a FLYING fuck what WOW or other games are doing.  I expect them to charge automatic if not stated otherwise.  But i DO expect a game that GIVES the option to ONLY pay for one month and NOT get automaticly charged to honor that.  You can go on and on about what other games are doing but that does NOT change the fact that Mythic has now changed the subscription option for ppl that THOUGHT that they would not be charged automaticly.   They even clicked an OPTION that made sure they would NOT be charged automaticly on their account..

Get it ?  

 

My comment was not direct at you, dude. Chill. Like I said, that option is rare and it's not a standard way for subscription. It was nice that Mythic gave that option.

Now, it's not like they signed a contract with you saying they cannot change their system ever. They somehow decided that they will not give that option anymore, so? every other MMO out there don't have that option either, what's the big deal?

The only problem in the case is the grace period they gave. I understand that they should give a longer grace period to give people enough time to change the payment option, but they DID send out a warning.

If you did not catch it in time, it's not like you don't have any other way to resolve the issue. Just call your credit card company and ask for a charge back. Given the reason for the charge back is understandable like in this case, I don't think you have any problem.

 

So... do you need to sign a special contract every time you sub to a game now ?   So where is the limit for you ?    I see I can not get you to admit to Mythic doing anything wrong.. but this is sick buisness no matter what game it is.  Its something that made sure that I will stay MILEs away from WAR from now on. 

didnt you say  in some post you made before the first month of WAR was up that you were done with it then? are you paying the monthly subscription for a reason to complain then? because thats all i see in your WAR posts is more complaints, really if your not having fun why pay for the game?... "IF" you think it has potential or something and maybe thats why then why nto cancel and come back in 6 months when more stuff is straightened out?

Can't believe some people actually accept bending over and taking it full up the ass.

One month ago there was an option to turn automatic subscription off; now they take it out. You know full well what they are trying to do: bill people who maybe desinstalled the game and stopped caring after renewing their subscription once.

I see it as bad commercial practice.

All MMo have automatic renewal of, no MMO makes a sneaky change in their billing rules to dupe players.

 No matter what day they did it they would have put some people off guard. I didn't buy the game on release day  and i imagine a lot  of people didn't. They made a decision to change the way they did their billing cycle and  the reason "could"  be malicious but it might be for other reasons.

 If someone complains they didn't read the email who knows they may pay the money back as long as the account has not been played.  Seems to me some people will complain about anything and everything.

 To the above poster, it wasn't sneaky they emailed and that email had to come sometime  when they did it or later and some people would still complain.  To also put in consideration was it going to affect this billing cycle or for anyoine who renewed after that date?.

Originally posted by Vespers

Yes, we ALL understand what you have been saying, over and over again. However, you are NOT understanding what we have all been saying.

YES, you chose the option that will ONLY charge your credit card for 1 month which would then auto-cancel your account.

Mythic, as well as ALL the other gaming companies which charge a monthly subscription fee to play their MMOs are entitled to change any and all of their billing practices provided they give the proper notice prior implementing the new changes.

You have stated that they did indeed send you an email.
You have stated that you have received the email.
You have stated that you have read the email.
You have even stated that you understand what the email said.

Is it just that you are lazy and that you dont want to log into your account and cancel your account manually instead of it being cancelled automatically?

Honestly, I dont think you will be getting much sympathy from these forums for being lazy.

 

What's everyone's problem about this warning?

There could be many reasons for not checking your e-mail and not knowingly be charged for something that you initially chose to cancel. Let's say I went on holiday, I'm not going to be checking my e-mails yet I could have come back to see I've been charged £8.99 - maybe I had no money in the bank, then I've just been given an overdraft and have to fork out another £30.

Since I know MMO's bill you monthly automatically, and even though I know for a fact I unchecked the auto renew box, a few days ago I went to cancel any way - it said "You do not have any subscriptions", yet today I recieve an e-mail telling me they've changed the option for me back to auto renewal. Thankfully I checked my e-mail.

Defend Mythic all you want, but this is a dirty tactic.

Originally posted by iCeh

Originally posted by Vespers

Yes, we ALL understand what you have been saying, over and over again. However, you are NOT understanding what we have all been saying.

YES, you chose the option that will ONLY charge your credit card for 1 month which would then auto-cancel your account.

Mythic, as well as ALL the other gaming companies which charge a monthly subscription fee to play their MMOs are entitled to change any and all of their billing practices provided they give the proper notice prior implementing the new changes.

You have stated that they did indeed send you an email.
You have stated that you have received the email.
You have stated that you have read the email.
You have even stated that you understand what the email said.

Is it just that you are lazy and that you dont want to log into your account and cancel your account manually instead of it being cancelled automatically?

Honestly, I dont think you will be getting much sympathy from these forums for being lazy.

 

 

What's everyone's problem about this warning?

There could be many reasons for not checking your e-mail and not knowingly be charged for something that you initially chose to cancel. Let's say I went on holiday, I'm not going to be checking my e-mails yet I could have come back to see I've been charged £8.99 - maybe I had no money in the bank, then I've just been given an overdraft and have to fork out another £30.

Since I know MMO's bill you monthly automatically, and even though I know for a fact I unchecked the auto renew box, a few days ago I went to cancel any way - it said "You do not have any subscriptions", yet today I recieve an e-mail telling me they've changed the option for me back to auto renewal. Thankfully I checked my e-mail.

Defend Mythic all you want, but this is a dirty tactic.

Actualy its not. Happens all the time in the adult world, utilities and credit card companys are the worst.

You didnt lose anything from this so wheres all the emotion coming from?

this is pretty significant because they can't just charge your credit card without you authorizing it and unless you selected the option for a recurring subscription then this is incredibly wrong, email warning or not.

If I started charging my clients credit cards without permission and used the defense "oh I gave them an email warning a week ago" defense, I'd be in serious legal trouble.

You should probably contact your credit card company and tell them about this

edit: it just blows me away how the fanboys see nothing wrong with their favourite company charging clients credit cards WITHOUT their express permission.

GOA has made an adjustment to their account management.

If you have just recently canceled and still have an open subscription, or you had subscribed, but without selecting a 'renewal', GOA just opted you back in for an 'automatic' renewal.
You must go back and re-cancel if you do not want to pay.
 

Quite a tremendous business model.

That's one way to increase sub numbers

I canceled my sub last week, but i still can play to the 22 / nov.

After reading the op's post i checked my email and sure enough Mythic had canceled my cancelation and placed my account to Active again, Thus they were going to charge my cc again.

I have played many mmo's and this is the first time that a company has done this to me.

To those that have canceled there accounts please check your account again, for Mythic will have reactivated it to charge you.