So not buying WoW will punish them for their actions.  And what actions has Blizzard taken as a company?

1) Consistent devotion to quality and polish - the Blizzard name means a polished game.  Period.  Blizzard does not release unpolished games, not now, not ever.   They've scrapped a minimum of two games (Lord of the Clans and Ghost) because they didn't live up to the brand, and rumor has that number higher.

2) Focus on Fun - Blizzard wants its games to be fun.  Blizzard tries to make addicting games that flow naturally, and are a joy to play.  Blizzard means that you don't have to fight the controls.  Blizzard means you don't have sections where nothing is happening, where you are ready to throw your keyboard across the room because the game is glitchy and sucks, because they don't make it.

3) Customization -  Every one of their games has allowed an unprecidented level of user customization.  Warcraft III still has the best map editor ever released.  

4) Accessiblity - Blizzard makes games that play on every system.  Making it work on Mac might not be cost effective.  They do it anyway.  Their system requirements are low, especially in relation to their graphics  - people might call them simplistic, but for games with equivelent requirements, they look and feel better.

5) Multiplayer - Blizzard has never forgotten multiplayer, making it a huge part of every one of their games.  Battle.net was revolutionary, a model that few have ever met.  

6) Support - Blizzard patched a game 10 years after it was released.  It was not an MMO.  It was not making them much money anymore.  They just wanted to keep it up to date and make it fun.  They believe in every one of their titles.

So attack Blizzard if you must.  Maybe the games they made aren't your style.  Maybe you don't enjoy them.  Maybe you think that the marketplace is better off if there's no greats, if there's no company that thinks consumers come first, that quality is important.  Maybe your idea of a good company is SoE, EA, or Funcom.  Maybe you like it when companies discontinue support for their game so you have to buy their latest game with a number after it, or release formulaic repeats every year.  Maybe you think its better for the market if people release buggy, trashy games that can't live up. 

And if you think that, then attack Blizzard wherever you can.  Just remember, this is the list of Activision games.  They're now named Activision-Blizzard. Quality rises to the top.

P.S.  I hope someone knocks WoW off its throne too.  And I hope they do it with a better, more fun game.  But I'm a Blizzard fan from the Warcraft II days, and unlike every other company I have liked besides Valve - ID Games, Bioware, Square-Enix, Irrational Games, Ion Storm - they have never let me down. 

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Of course Darkfall will have a Billion subscribers, so it will do just fine.

Billion?!?! Not even close, 4/5 people on Earth will prefer Darkfall to real life.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Jadedfire

Originally posted by Sovrath

 

I have no problem with listening to people's well thought out and presented views. But I don't presume to dictate to people what they should consider quality.

And that is what this thread is about. If you see my appended post you will learn that I pretty much skirt the edge of what is considered interesting and accepable to the general populace. And yet I still support those who enjoy whatever it is that they enjoy. Be it Hello Kitty, Porn, Pushing Daisies, Arrowsmith, Yes, C.P.E. Bach or Disney.

I woulld never be so arrogant as to tell people not to do something becasue it doesn't fit into my world view.

As neither did I. I wasnt trying to force what I said down anyone's throat and make them follow it. Please read my orginal reply again. At the end, I even said  "Of course, this is just how I feel about the subject. Everyone has their right to the their own thoughts and feelings."
 

 

 

I read it and it's well written.. But it so drips with haughtiness and disregard to those who enjoy wow that it's completely damning.

I mean seriously. Comparing it with people who thougth the world was flat? And indicating that people can go on believing what they like is good?

So you keep on believing that your "WoW World" actually pleases you and the majority agree with you. But in actual reality, many play it because they follow the same path as the majority population does. Not because it is great and fulfilling game to play. It is being ignorant and delusional to believe otherwise.

It's a good game for what it is. And what it does. If people love it then more power to them. It might not be the end all and be all but I very much enjoy listening to those who absolutely love it because it is different from the other things in their lives.

So sure, you didn't come out and say people were scum for liking it but there is very little in your post that seems to have any good regard for people who do like it.

And as far as telling people not to buy it, that comment is more for the initial thrust and timbre of the thread, nof because you said "people shouldn't buy it".

So no, I don't attribute the original post with your work.. that can just be aimed at the op.

If you do not like my obeservations, comparisons, and opinions... that is your OWN problem, not mine. If you feel like I used  "haughtiness and disregard to those who enjoy WoW that its completely damning"  that is okay, because that is your OPINION about my statement. We are all entitled to that. For example, I feel that everything you are saying is targeting people, who do not enjoy WoW and furthermore using haughtiness and disregard to those who do not enjoy WoW that their choice of not liking it is, without a doubt, damning. 

But that is just my opinion. I cant seem to stress that enough. lol 

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Jadedfire

Wow being superior product is a matter of opinion, and that only. Sales and subscriptions do not make a product, superior quality. Not everyone loves World of Warcraft. Get over it and move on!

 

To a certain extant that's true. Quite frankly the level of polish that WoW had does seem to dwarf a good many games out there.

But you also touch upon an interesting point. What does make it a superior product?

Part of that is subjective but part of that can be measured in a concrete way.

It is a very polished game and it does have a very polished user experience. from events to prizes to a fan fest.

So just because somehting is liked by a majority doesn't mean that it is a bad thing either.

It doesnt make it a bad thing, no. It doesnt make it a great thing either. It is a matter of opinion. I think I have established this already. 
 

Originally posted by Kelldore

Originally posted by JK-Kanosi

Originally posted by argos5

Frankly, a new continent with more dungeons, only 1 new BG, 1 new Profession, and 1 Hero Class, in this WotLK expansion... seems to be only half of the content potential that was released in Burning Crusade. Burning Crusade had 2 new regions (Draenei/Blood Elf), 2 new races (already mentioned), new continent (Outland), 1 new BG, 1 new profession, and your standard extra raids.

 

If you compare WotLK and BC, your content for WotLK is gimped compared to BC. And I'm sure people enjoy getting ripped by Blizzard's wizening idea of how to effectively milk people for their money. I think CCP does a more effective job at deserving peoples' money without paying for expansion packs like Blizzard does.

 

I mean, look at Starcraft 2. Their reason for splitting it into 3 games was supposedly for "more content". I smell bullcr*p. Sure they can do it, but what is stopping them from packing it into 1 game? Instead of paying for 3 of them!

 

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I posted this from another thread, but the point is relevant to this one.

 

What does CCP do to deserve money. Please list examples, so this can properly be debated.

What proof do you have to offer that supports your position that Blizzard is lying about their reasons for creating two seperate Starcraft 2 games? If a game is actually as large as two games, why not create two seperate games? The only crap I smell is that of your empty accusations.

 

Sorry i had to reply to the last sentence and paragraph.

 

A. Eve Online has never charged for an expansion..period, I have yet to see a game that cranks out expansions and new content at such a consistent level while keeping them free.

B. Knowing full well what a cash cow Starcaft initially was, Blizzard knew they could milk it till the cows come home (literally) After initially announcing it as a single game which now gets broken down into 3. Its way besides blatently obvious they did that for profit reasons...I mean c'mon...seriously...the only thing that would beat SC2 is Jesus's 2nd coming..but he will be busy waiting for the other 2 expansions...sigh.

CCP doesn't charge for every expac because the demand is not there.  When there is so little demand for content that you have to GIVE it all away, its pretty obvious the game isn't anything special.

People will pay for quality.  I'd rather pay for 3 seperate Blizzard campaigns in SC2 than 30 full games from CCP at the same price.  If Blizzard doesn't deliver the goods, I won't pay for them.  Simple as that.

Originally posted by Jadedfire

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Jadedfire

Originally posted by Sovrath

 

I have no problem with listening to people's well thought out and presented views. But I don't presume to dictate to people what they should consider quality.

And that is what this thread is about. If you see my appended post you will learn that I pretty much skirt the edge of what is considered interesting and accepable to the general populace. And yet I still support those who enjoy whatever it is that they enjoy. Be it Hello Kitty, Porn, Pushing Daisies, Arrowsmith, Yes, C.P.E. Bach or Disney.

I woulld never be so arrogant as to tell people not to do something becasue it doesn't fit into my world view.

As neither did I. I wasnt trying to force what I said down anyone's throat and make them follow it. Please read my orginal reply again. At the end, I even said  "Of course, this is just how I feel about the subject. Everyone has their right to the their own thoughts and feelings."
 

 

 

I read it and it's well written.. But it so drips with haughtiness and disregard to those who enjoy wow that it's completely damning.

I mean seriously. Comparing it with people who thougth the world was flat? And indicating that people can go on believing what they like is good?

So you keep on believing that your "WoW World" actually pleases you and the majority agree with you. But in actual reality, many play it because they follow the same path as the majority population does. Not because it is great and fulfilling game to play. It is being ignorant and delusional to believe otherwise.

It's a good game for what it is. And what it does. If people love it then more power to them. It might not be the end all and be all but I very much enjoy listening to those who absolutely love it because it is different from the other things in their lives.

So sure, you didn't come out and say people were scum for liking it but there is very little in your post that seems to have any good regard for people who do like it.

And as far as telling people not to buy it, that comment is more for the initial thrust and timbre of the thread, nof because you said "people shouldn't buy it".

So no, I don't attribute the original post with your work.. that can just be aimed at the op.

 

If you do not like my obeservations, comparisons, and opinions... that is your OWN problem, not mine. If you feel like I used  "haughtiness and disregard to those who enjoy WoW that its completely damning"  that is okay, because that is your OPINION about my statement. We are all entitled to that. For example, I feel that everything you are saying is targeting people, who do not enjoy WoW and furthermore using haughtiness and disregard to those who do not enjoy WoW that their choice of not liking it is, without a doubt, damning. 

But that is just my opinion. I cant seem to stress that enough. lol 

There is a difference in being dismissive of someone because they don't like Wow and  pointing out that it is rude of you to attack a group of people for simply liking a game. I'm not attacking you for your opinion about the game but that you are in such contempt of anyone who does. And yes I suppose that is your right to believe that but is it really your right to come out and insult those who like this game? Is this considered even remotely in the realm  of the polite?

Do you just walk up to anyone you feel like who is in line for some dumb movie and give them your opinion of what you think of them? I pretty much can guarantee that you could be arrested for doing that in public.

Because quite frankly I see that as a slippery slope. One moment you have contempt for them because of their choices and the next moment are you wondering if they are just a waste fresh air? Are you then creating a hierarchy of human value based upon their simple preferences?

I'm all for choice. There is never a post that I have ever made where I say that one game is the "uberz" and all other games suck.

As a matter of fact you would be hard pressed to find any post of mine EVER where I come out and say that not only does a game suck but that its playerbase is deluding itself.

However, I will draw the line at people who feel they should get up on a high horse, decry something and then belittle its supporters (unless of course it's something evil... decry nazism and Hitler all you like  )

I'm glad that people don't like WoW because it shows that there are people out there who are different and value different things. I wholey support ANY game out there that is different, whether it be Dark Fall, EvE, or Hello Kitty Online.

But I will not support the blatant attack on another group simply because they enjoy a very popular product.

I will support you for not liking something I will not support you for disregarding in such a volatile way  (which seems to me that you rob them of their worth) those who do like it.

My thought is that if one wants to post negative thoughts on WoW one could be more constructive such as:

"Though WoW is a polished game and though it has a majority of support among the online gaming populace, it's easy quests, lack of consistant challenge throughout the level ranges, and simplified gamplay has caused great problems with new upcoming games because it provides inadvertant pressure on those dev's to justify their design decisions to investors thus hindering any sort of experimentation or evolution in challenging gameplay."

"In effect it has become a sort of black hole of gaming where any game that tries to do anything different is sucked into the Marketing and Money vortex created by it's continued success.

"Because of these reasons as well as my dislike for WoW's features I cannot continue to support a game company whose goals and design philosophy are in direct oppostion to what I think is a quality product".

so there it is, I didn't bash anyone but made a judgment call on a product that would be considered negative. And quite frankly not anythng new with regards to this site.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Jadedfire

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Jadedfire

Originally posted by Sovrath

 

I have no problem with listening to people's well thought out and presented views. But I don't presume to dictate to people what they should consider quality.

And that is what this thread is about. If you see my appended post you will learn that I pretty much skirt the edge of what is considered interesting and accepable to the general populace. And yet I still support those who enjoy whatever it is that they enjoy. Be it Hello Kitty, Porn, Pushing Daisies, Arrowsmith, Yes, C.P.E. Bach or Disney.

I woulld never be so arrogant as to tell people not to do something becasue it doesn't fit into my world view.

As neither did I. I wasnt trying to force what I said down anyone's throat and make them follow it. Please read my orginal reply again. At the end, I even said  "Of course, this is just how I feel about the subject. Everyone has their right to the their own thoughts and feelings."
 

 

 

I read it and it's well written.. But it so drips with haughtiness and disregard to those who enjoy wow that it's completely damning.

I mean seriously. Comparing it with people who thougth the world was flat? And indicating that people can go on believing what they like is good?

So you keep on believing that your "WoW World" actually pleases you and the majority agree with you. But in actual reality, many play it because they follow the same path as the majority population does. Not because it is great and fulfilling game to play. It is being ignorant and delusional to believe otherwise.

It's a good game for what it is. And what it does. If people love it then more power to them. It might not be the end all and be all but I very much enjoy listening to those who absolutely love it because it is different from the other things in their lives.

So sure, you didn't come out and say people were scum for liking it but there is very little in your post that seems to have any good regard for people who do like it.

And as far as telling people not to buy it, that comment is more for the initial thrust and timbre of the thread, nof because you said "people shouldn't buy it".

So no, I don't attribute the original post with your work.. that can just be aimed at the op.

 

If you do not like my obeservations, comparisons, and opinions... that is your OWN problem, not mine. If you feel like I used  "haughtiness and disregard to those who enjoy WoW that its completely damning"  that is okay, because that is your OPINION about my statement. We are all entitled to that. For example, I feel that everything you are saying is targeting people, who do not enjoy WoW and furthermore using haughtiness and disregard to those who do not enjoy WoW that their choice of not liking it is, without a doubt, damning. 

But that is just my opinion. I cant seem to stress that enough. lol 

 

There is a difference in being dismissive of someone because they don't like Wow and  pointing out that it is rude of you to attack a group of people for simply liking a game. I'm not attacking you for your opinion about the game but that you are in such contempt of anyone who does. And yes I suppose that is your right to believe that but is it really your right to come out and insult those who like this game? Is this considered even remotely in the realm  of the polite?

Do you just walk up to anyone you feel like who is in line for some dumb movie and give them your opinion of what you think of them? I pretty much can guarantee that you could be arrested for doing that in public.

Because quite frankly I see that as a slippery slope. One moment you have contempt for them because of their choices and the next moment are you wondering if they are just a waste fresh air? Are you then creating a hierarchy of human value based upon their simple preferences?

I'm all for choice. There is never a post that I have ever made where I say that one game is the "uberz" and all other games suck.

As a matter of fact you would be hard pressed to find any post of mine EVER where I come out and say that not only does a game suck but that its playerbase is deluding itself.

However, I will draw the line at people who feel they should get up on a high horse, decry something and then belittle its supporters (unless of course it's something evil... decry nazism and Hitler all you like  )

I'm glad that people don't like WoW because it shows that there are people out there who are different and value different things. I wholey support ANY game out there that is different, whether it be Dark Fall, EvE, or Hello Kitty Online.

But I will not support the blatant attack on another group simply because they enjoy a very popular product.

I will support you for not liking something I will not support you for disregarding in such a volatile way  (which seems to me that you rob them of their worth) those who do like it.

My thought is that if one wants to post negative thoughts on WoW one could be more constructive such as:

"Though WoW is a polished game and though it has a majority of support among the online gaming populace, it's easy quests, lack of consistant challenge throughout the level ranges, and simplified gamplay has caused great problems with new upcoming games because it provides inadvertant pressure on those dev's to justify their design decisions to investors thus hindering any sort of experimentation or evolution in challenging gameplay."

"In effect it has become a sort of black hole of gaming where any game that tries to do anything different is sucked into the Marketing and Money vortex created by it's continued success.

"Because of these reasons as well as my dislike for WoW's features I cannot continue to support a game company whose goals and design philosophy are in direct oppostion to what I think is a quality product".

 

so there it is, I didn't bash anyone but made a judgment call on a product that would be considered negative. And quite frankly not anythng new with regards to this site.

lol It sounds like you are trying to convince youeself there. Say whatever you need to tell say to make yourself feel better!
 

Originally posted by Chieftan

Originally posted by Kelldore

Originally posted by JK-Kanosi

Originally posted by argos5

Frankly, a new continent with more dungeons, only 1 new BG, 1 new Profession, and 1 Hero Class, in this WotLK expansion... seems to be only half of the content potential that was released in Burning Crusade. Burning Crusade had 2 new regions (Draenei/Blood Elf), 2 new races (already mentioned), new continent (Outland), 1 new BG, 1 new profession, and your standard extra raids.

 

If you compare WotLK and BC, your content for WotLK is gimped compared to BC. And I'm sure people enjoy getting ripped by Blizzard's wizening idea of how to effectively milk people for their money. I think CCP does a more effective job at deserving peoples' money without paying for expansion packs like Blizzard does.

 

I mean, look at Starcraft 2. Their reason for splitting it into 3 games was supposedly for "more content". I smell bullcr*p. Sure they can do it, but what is stopping them from packing it into 1 game? Instead of paying for 3 of them!

 

---

 

I posted this from another thread, but the point is relevant to this one.

 

What does CCP do to deserve money. Please list examples, so this can properly be debated.

What proof do you have to offer that supports your position that Blizzard is lying about their reasons for creating two seperate Starcraft 2 games? If a game is actually as large as two games, why not create two seperate games? The only crap I smell is that of your empty accusations.

 

Sorry i had to reply to the last sentence and paragraph.

 

A. Eve Online has never charged for an expansion..period, I have yet to see a game that cranks out expansions and new content at such a consistent level while keeping them free.

B. Knowing full well what a cash cow Starcaft initially was, Blizzard knew they could milk it till the cows come home (literally) After initially announcing it as a single game which now gets broken down into 3. Its way besides blatently obvious they did that for profit reasons...I mean c'mon...seriously...the only thing that would beat SC2 is Jesus's 2nd coming..but he will be busy waiting for the other 2 expansions...sigh.

 

CCP doesn't charge for every expac because the demand is not there.  When there is so little demand for content that you have to GIVE it all away, its pretty obvious the game isn't anything special.

People will pay for quality.  I'd rather pay for 3 seperate Blizzard campaigns in SC2 than 30 full games from CCP at the same price.  If Blizzard doesn't deliver the goods, I won't pay for them.  Simple as that.

And how exactly is that you quantified "demand" for an expansion? The devs for eve are pretty good at listening to player feedback and things that they would like to see in game (besides the obvious patches to fix in game bugs) This ranges from T2 equipment, factional warfare, speed rebalancing. The devs dont just go "here ya go.we think you the player base will need this and want it"..Far from it. Ive been playing Eve for over 4 years now, and the demand is constant from the player base for newer and better things.

I agree with you partially on the fact that perhaps splitting the game into 3 campaigns will make for a more detailed product but at the same time its very obvious its a marketing ploy to keep people coming back and buy more instead of getting one game, after initially stating it would be one game and not three.

Originally posted by Jadedfire

Originally posted by Sovrath

 

so there it is, I didn't bash anyone but made a judgment call on a product that would be considered negative. And quite frankly not anythng new with regards to this site.

lol It sounds like you are trying to convince youeself there. Say whatever you need to tell say to make yourself feel better!
 

Actually if you could see what I did there, I made that statement as an example of how one could have negative content on a game without being insulting to the playerbase.

What that should have read to make it more clear is "so there it is, I didn't bash anyone but made up a fictional statment that would be considered a judgement call, one that is negative".

Now stop kissing my head.

Originally posted by Kelldore

Sorry i had to reply to the last sentence and paragraph.

 

A. Eve Online has never charged for an expansion..period, I have yet to see a game that cranks out expansions and new content at such a consistent level while keeping them free.

B. Knowing full well what a cash cow Starcaft initially was, Blizzard knew they could milk it till the cows come home (literally) After initially announcing it as a single game which now gets broken down into 3. Its way besides blatently obvious they did that for profit reasons...I mean c'mon...seriously...the only thing that would beat SC2 is Jesus's 2nd coming..but he will be busy waiting for the other 2 expansions...sigh.

A. It wasn't meant as a knock to CCP. I think CCP is a good company and a good example of a group of developers not afraid to take the unbeaten path. They're an example of what companies could do if they create a sandbox game. It was just a knock on the poster, who's comparing CCP to Blizzard. With that said, I played EvE and I don't think it has much content at all. The major drive behind the game is the ability to pvp as a corporation over ownership of space. PvP has been in-game since launch, so they really haven't released any new content with their patches. I could be wrong, but you still have to play the economy, mine, or grind pirate missions to get ISK to buy new ships. They've introduced new ships, but that's not new content. It's just a new object to do the same thing you were doing for a greater amount of time. The actual act of buying the new ship isn't that long of a time. The act of using the ship may not last long either, before you completely lose it. I'd say introducing the ability to walk on space stations is new content, but that's nothing compared to a Blizzard expansion. My point is that CCP does not release Blizzard quality "content" (ie. new contents to explore, pvp objectives, classes, quests, raids, instances), so of course they're not going to charge for their "expansions."

B. I never heard of Starcraft before a couple years ago. I've never played Starcraft, and I never played Warcraft 3 until 3 years after WoW released. Playing Warcraft 3 is what got me interested in WoW and made me like it so much. Previous to playing Warcraft 3, I didn't appreciate the significance of the small story lines in the game, so I never liked WoW until a few weeks ago.

With that said, I really don't see any proof that Blizzard is milking SC 2. I judge games relative on quality and quantity. If Blizzard says they're going to release two SC 2's, each big enough to stand alone as a game compared to the competition, then I will believe them until proven otherwise. If anything, Blizzard has earned that much trust. I'm not all doom and gloom and will not think the worse of every person or company to walk past me on the street.

I think it's safe to say World of Warcraft was a wonderful success to Blizzard. However, the people who have played the game from it's beginning launch are finding it stale now, and have no where to go as it's shaped a good bit of the MMORPG genre around it.

World of Warcraft is like a very large bucket of water with a small hole at the bottom. Every month more water slowly drips out, but the rain is keeping it remaining full. I'm sure anyone would agree that a large percent of the World of Warcraft player base is middle/high school students, who simply play it casualy to be with friends, with the occassional "loners". Kids will be kids. They will always favor being with their friends on a game, and the majority of this player base will have a massive shift when the next best thing comes. I'm hoping Darkfall will be our light at the end of the tunnel.

For those who are relatively new to World of Warcraft ( Players that have been around for 1 1/2 years or less, with the exception of a few veteran players ) this new expansion will make their eyes huge for a few months and Blizzard will have a boom of income once again. However, a large amount of older players have dropped the game ( Such as I ) simply seeing a vicious circle of another 10 levels, another raiding for gear, only to have another expansion in ohhh...another year? 

For those who have fun with World of Warcraft, buy the expansion, enjoy yourselves. But know that the sun is rising, and that 50 bucks your about to drop won't be refundable.

-Durillien

Actually, I just want to state one thing here and  now....

This thread started out like a political campaign.  So I'm just going to continue in that vein and nominate Sovrath as candidate for International Gamer's President. 

I'm not sure who he'll choose as his running mate, but I'm PRETTY SURE that they, as a team, will hold more value for gamer rights and the right to choose, for equality and the betterment of our great nation of gamers, than the OP, who seems to be running a smear campaign, full of manipulative tactics and rife with terminology that is insulting to certain segments of the population. I cannot support this bigotry.

He is not a candidate that believes in equal rights and freedom of choice, and frankly.....I cannot support his campaign, nor his party.

 VOTE

SOVRATH 

FOR PRESIDENT

Originally posted by Lobotomist

With all due respect to Blizzard as excelent company , I think it is time to say NO to World of Warcraft!

 

12 million users = 12 million reasons for game developers to continue feeding us theme park simplified grind based carrot on the stick abominations they today call MMO

If you go and buy WoTLK you are voting with your wallet for continuation of the trend that destroyed Sandbox , complex virtual worlds.

 

I just want to remind you of that.

Its up to us gamers to vote for a change now.

 

As much as I love sandbox games, and agree with you on your assumptions, I do not blame WoW, and will probably support it. Even though it is not my favorite play style, and I'm sick of all the clones that come out, I have to admit that I think WoW is a great game for what it is. The fact that every company thinks they can churn out some half aborted piece of crap and contend with WoW is not WoWs fault.

Originally posted by girlgeek

Actually, I just want to state one thing here and  now....

This thread started out like a political campaign.  So I'm just going to continue in that vein and nominate Sovrath as candidate for International Gamer's President. 

I'm not sure who he'll choose as his running mate, but I'm PRETTY SURE that they, as a team, will hold more value for gamer rights and the right to choose, for equality and the betterment of our great nation of gamers, than the OP, who seems to be running a smear campaign, full of manipulative tactics and rife with terminology that is insulting to certain segments of the population. I cannot support this bigotry.

He is not a candidate that believes in equal rights and freedom of choice, and frankly.....I cannot support his campaign, nor his party.

 

 

 VOTE

SOVRATH 

FOR PRESIDENT

 

  

lol.. well this is a first. I'm not sure others would agree with your sentiment but I'm so touched I"m sending this to friends!

They will be very amused as they gently tease me for playing video games.

I agree with the OP. People should not play games that they like. I wonder what all 12 million of those people were thinking...cuz everyone has the same taste as the OP.

I expect that everyone will see the error of their ways with WotLK.

Originally posted by Lobotomist

With all due respect to Blizzard as excelent company , I think it is time to say NO to World of Warcraft!

 

12 million users = 12 million reasons for game developers to continue feeding us theme park simplified grind based carrot on the stick abominations they today call MMO

If you go and buy WoTLK you are voting with your wallet for continuation of the trend that destroyed Sandbox , complex virtual worlds.

 

I just want to remind you of that.

Its up to us gamers to vote for a change now.

 

/signed

I agree

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Jadedfire

Originally posted by Sovrath

 

so there it is, I didn't bash anyone but made a judgment call on a product that would be considered negative. And quite frankly not anythng new with regards to this site.

lol It sounds like you are trying to convince youeself there. Say whatever you need to tell say to make yourself feel better!
 

 

Actually if you could see what I did there, I made that statement as an example of how one could have negative content on a game without being insulting to the playerbase.

What that should have read to make it more clear is "so there it is, I didn't bash anyone but made up a fictional statment that would be considered a judgement call, one that is negative".

Now stop kissing my head.

No, I didnt see that. I see a person who is very driven to make sure he is so called "right" about a particular disscussion. For whatever reason, you really have a hard time accepting and dealing with someone else's opinions. And if they seem harsh to you, it is unaccpetable and not tolerated by any means. So you write some reply trying to use neutral wording to make yourself look good, feel better, or both. But what you really should do, not saying you must, is come to terms with accepting different varieties of comments, whether harsh or "candy-coated". 

 If any of my comments in this thread has offeneded you, personally, I am in no way trying to. I assure you, I have nothing against you. I replied to someone else's comment (it was not even you) with my point of view. Then you decided to jump in with your two cents, because you thought that I was not being so, "polite" or  for whatever reasons. I so far, have only replied with defenses of the remarks you keep dishing out directed to me. Which I  find that very impolite. But I guess that doesnt matter, because according to you, opinions from a person who may sound harsh sometimes, dont count. Does that prettty much cover it?

And that wasnt kissing your head. (You wish you could be so lucky) That emote was patting.

I have a hubby and he is the one that gets the kissies!

Lots of people thought that the market cap was hit with UO - then they thought it was hit with EQ...

I personally have no doubt that the industry could open up a lot more doors as soon as they kill some basic fundamentals that are entrenched in the current games.  But... after all of the recent failures... if even WoW starts to fall then I think that developers and investors in general are going to start giving up instead of trying something new.

That said, Blizzard has proven that they are always open to new ideas - the WoW of 4 years ago doesn't really resemble the WoW of today - who knows where the game will be in another 4 years?

Hell yeah!

/signed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The biggest problem with SWG at launch and into the first year was lack of content and real direction. I know we all found something to do, but a lot of new payers walked into SWG totally boggled as to what they should do. I loved it; to me it was more of a SIM style game of Star Wars. People these days want quests, they want to feel heroic. No reason they can't have both, but the budget to build such a game says otherwise.