Originally posted by Stradden

Originally posted by meleemadness

This isnt preparing for the expansion....it is panic mode to unscrew something they failed to plan for. You don't keep servers offline for over an entire day....possibly two days just to "prepare".  The prep should have been done a while ago...but I understand cults and cult followers...you know, the cult of personality and weak minded ppl...those who can see no failings in that which they worship....kinda like many ppl who will post how WOW is their religion and will come to defend it regardless of what they do!!!

That is why the devs can do what they want when they want and how they want.....they are gods in the eyes of many players and they know it.

 

Hmm, actually this is pretty common in terms of both past presecedent from Blizzard and other expansions for other MMOs. Look at the EVE Online expansion that was launched just yesterday by CCP. That resulted in some server downtime as well.

And just as a point of note, I don't play WoW and have no loyalty to it whwatsoever.

I've actually never seen a MMO in my gaming career with more downtime then WOW has. I haven't played in nearly a year but it was still having all day maintenance every single week. So that was roughly 52 days a year down for scheduled not to mention unschedules. They will have more downtime with the release just to tweak things out i suspect so people should prepare for it.

My favorite part is:

"Say it with me, 'Death Night' "

Hahaha.

I don't understand the WoW haters and doomsayers that continue to post here. We get it, you don't like WoW. Go cry somewhere else about how your game can't even get 10% of the number of people playing WoW and pretend that other games are growing. Their not. They are in fact shrinking, as WAR has experienced in the past few weeks.

You really have no one to blame except the overhyped, featureless, MMOs that keep getting released onto the market.

It also doesn't matter if the previewer was trying to plug the expansion or not. Frankly, he doesn't have to. Millions of copies of this expansion will sell over the next 24 hours. More than any new MMO has been able to sell in weeks, let alone EVER.

I'm really not sure what keeps people continuing to waste their energy hating WoW. Jealousy is the only reason I can imagine anymore.

Not really excited about this one. I dont hate WoW, i just dont find it as interesting as it once was. WoW was at its peak before TBC was released, it was so fun back then. TBC and WotLK just dont deliver what expansions should, at least not fot me. Im into Lotro now. Sure it doesnt have 11 million subs, but a MMO doesnt need 11 million subs to be a success or fun.

The forest underneath Dalaran is pretty.

I would have to agree here... not much excitement about the expansion. WoW lost me about 2 weeks ago after the last patch and countless server issues. I know there were problems with BC also when it launched, but with so many issues it would seem to me Blizzard and other dev would make better use of beta before upsetting many of their paying population! I was getting bored with WoW and the whole MMO community anyways. It would be nice to find a MMOG that offered more depth in storeline and character dev. Some have tried, but either have graphical glitching or game integ issues that make playing for any length of time frustrating. WoW (for the most part) plays smoothly and can be enjoyable as far as battle/fighting and exploring, but lacks depth in storeline and character dev outside of stats. Someday a game will come along with more depth and adventure to it and will offer more than a mindless grind for gear and levels to pvp and raid instances for more gear. When you think about it... you hit max level, enjoy a few quest lines, but mostly you reach "raiding status" for what? So you can look cool in nice gear as you hang out in city zones chatting to others about the next raid and dueling each other infront of the Auction House. I guess for some that stays enjoyable for longer than it did me.

Originally posted by Daedalus732

I'm really not sure what keeps people continuing to waste their energy hating WoW. Jealousy is the only reason I can imagine anymore.

I'm going to waste some energy on this.

Why would we be "jealous"? We could easily subscribe to WoW. What would jealousy have to do with it? We aren't stuck with any other MMOs. And all the doomsayers are people who have played WoW for a great length of time.

We don't hate WoW for no reason. We hate it because Blizzard could've made it better, but we have folks such as yourself that are pleased with its lackluster state and would invest in this POS that is half of the content they gave in TBC.

Its people like yourself who promote Blizzard's degrading standards in being their effective, but sorry attempts at monopolizing our wallets  instead of  a decent company.

Pat yourself on the back. We love you.

Read someone saying WoW has the longest server downs and maitainance and all that, thats just bullshit? WoW is down every Wednesday from like 5 to 11. So what? Who plays at 5am in the morning? And the most that plays WoW early and got no lives gets up after 11 anyway.

The downtime of the servers its ridicilously low for the millions of people that play it.
I've played several games that has been so much suckier than Blizzard on this, and one of them is the european WAR team GOA. Omg, theres something that needs work. Sure I did only play the first week or so, but cmon. It was a catastrofy and so is many other games, especially the f2p that dont even have a 1000 players and they cant handle it.

Okay I'll play the energy wasting game too...

1. All and I do mean ALL MMO's experience levels of downtime. The more popular = more chances of downtime. If ANY of you complaining about this knew anything about server loads you might understand this a bit more.

Now to take this argument a bit further and say "Blizz has millions to make sure this is limited or erased" is also very ignorant. I don't care how much money you have your going to hit this issue nuff said.

2. YES I was a former WOW player and was hooked in for some time as well as a lot of the doomsayers here. The problem is that in the beginning the game was a very refreshing blast with Blizz on character balances quite often and very diligent to assist any changes that didn't go through smoothly. The hype for BC was tremendous and with such a success with the original it was a very high bar to jump over. They succeeded about 1/2 way and I would have to agree with that.

Once you got past getting to 70 and stuck into the doldrum of faction grinding and keys for harder SAME albeit harder dungeons for a few +loots then BC quickly lost its luster. If you were fortunate enough to be apart of a sociable and optimistic guild who helped you feel apart of a greater thing and developed more fun with the BC kudos!

Not all are so lucky and have taken their MMO playing time elsewhere. If your not having fun then why stay right? Certainly that isn't HATING on WOW.

3. For my 2 cents as the OP is encouraging me to do, I am not very optimistic about this new xpac. I won't dare say it looks more of the same but rather a few more sparklers and bottle rockets.

The trouble I foresee is being limited to actually SEEING the additional endgame dungeons. Whereas in the original areas the 40mans were really geared towards those who could get in a successful well organized guild this new xpac continues this trend with maybe not as many but still the organization is key.

Guilds with low drama, great organization, and competent responsible players are difficult to find but if you can get in one I imagine you will enjoy this xpac for 6 months give or take a month.

I myself thought to at least try the DK and see if it could amount to at least another "type" of experience where the rinse repeat cycles are fewer and there is another story to be told within this realm. Guess I'll keep a close eye on the forums for details on pro's con's.

In any event GL to all of you attempting on day one to play and best wishes it turns out all of what you hope it to be and more!

-Q
 

Originally posted by argos5

Originally posted by Daedalus732

I'm really not sure what keeps people continuing to waste their energy hating WoW. Jealousy is the only reason I can imagine anymore.

 

I'm going to waste some energy on this.

 

Why would we be "jealous"? We could easily subscribe to WoW. What would jealousy have to do with it? We aren't stuck with any other MMOs. And all the doomsayers are people who have played WoW for a great length of time.

You're jealous because whatever game you might be playing doesn't even come close to WoW's popularity, so no other game developer can even begin to approach Blizzard's resources. As a Starcraft and Diablo fan, I see that as boding well for those games in addition to the massive amont of resources blizzard can pour into WoW. Lets face it, nothing is going to topple WoW except another Blizzard MMO.

The Doomsayers have been consistently wrong for years. WoWs subs keep going up, and in less than three hours, WOTLK is going to sell more boxes than AoC and WAR combined have sold a core product in the last five months. Doomsayers are just angry that they can't convince other people to not like the game that they don't like.

 

We don't hate WoW for no reason. We hate it because Blizzard could've made it better, but we have folks such as yourself that are pleased with its lackluster state and would invest in this POS that is half of the content they gave in TBC.

I think you are assuming that I play WoW. That aside for the moment, there's no reason to hate something because Blizzard "could have made it better". If that's really true, then why hasn't ANY game developer in FOUR YEARS put out an MMO that exceeds WoW on all fronts? We seem to get overhyped games like AoC and Vanguard that not only fail out of the box, but whose lead developers leave the game after less than four months. WAR is an okay game, but its subs are dropping already. Why is anyone's guess, but lets face it, Mythic really didn't bring anything to the table that just blew people away. Where are player cities and housing? Intricate crafting? Vehicles that go beyond "mounts"? There are so many more things that ANY developer could implement, but they don't. Your discontent would be better served aimed at the developers who refuse to take a risk and continue to hash out the same old crap again and again.

 

Its people like yourself who promote Blizzard's degrading standards in being their effective, but sorry attempts at monopolizing our wallets  instead of  a decent company.

I like Blizzard games and I always have since I discovered Warcraft 2. Whatever you think of WoW, you can't doubt the awesomeness of the Starcraft and the Diablo series. You want to blame the players, but it's really the game companies that are to blame. Give me Star Wars Galaxies before the combat upgrade, and I'll pay for six months up front to get that experience back.

Hopefully soon, I'll be a part of the Jumpgate Evolution Beta, or if not that, playing the game sometime next year. I'm just as sick of the same old thing as anyone, but I'm also sick of the constant whining and gnashing of teeth at WoW. 

Originally posted by RMonterosso

 "Wow , it seems that warhammer online is gaining more players. "

......... ...... ......mmm BWAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA.....

... sorry.. I... BWAHAHAHAHA ..... wow... thats just....

Wait, first off, does anyone actually BELIEVE that statement?

I don't see why all the WoW haters are whining about the stability issues the game is suffering from, this is common with major content changes.  Now if this persists a few months from now then id be complaining about it too.  While i am excited about exploring the new content my major issue is that it offers nothing new for end game. 

One new BG...yay, wintergrasp which will inevitably just turn into another halaa....yay  More pvp focused on arena...yay.  I think blizzard is pretty good at adapting and evolving their pve content but they have no clue on how to give us real pvp.  I'm sorry but there is no "War" in Warcraft.  If arena is going to be this expansion poor excuse for pvp once again then i just hope this game will tide me over till a few more people reach end game in Warhammer.

Blizzard expansions never really feel like an expansion to me but more of a greedy developer hitting the reset button on the time sink to force us to grind again.  What i want is New content, give me housing! boats! a War! that is new content in my mind not just more instances, bgs and arenas to grind for the third time.

If we're lucky, the launch will go horribly and then WOW gamers will be forced to move to a game that requires thought and intuitivemess.

Originally posted by Mithios

If we're lucky, the launch will go horribly and then WOW gamers will be forced to move to a game that requires thought and intuitivemess.

If we're lucky, the mmorpg.com server will crash and posters will be forced to move to a site that requires thought and intuitiveness....and spellcheck. 

Originally posted by Daedalus732

Originally posted by argos5

Originally posted by Daedalus732

I'm really not sure what keeps people continuing to waste their energy hating WoW. Jealousy is the only reason I can imagine anymore.

 

I'm going to waste some energy on this.

 

Why would we be "jealous"? We could easily subscribe to WoW. What would jealousy have to do with it? We aren't stuck with any other MMOs. And all the doomsayers are people who have played WoW for a great length of time.

You're jealous because whatever game you might be playing doesn't even come close to WoW's popularity, so no other game developer can even begin to approach Blizzard's resources. As a Starcraft and Diablo fan, I see that as boding well for those games in addition to the massive amont of resources blizzard can pour into WoW. Lets face it, nothing is going to topple WoW except another Blizzard MMO.

The Doomsayers have been consistently wrong for years. WoWs subs keep going up, and in less than three hours, WOTLK is going to sell more boxes than AoC and WAR combined have sold a core product in the last five months. Doomsayers are just angry that they can't convince other people to not like the game that they don't like.

 I fail to see the logic put behind your assumption that argos5 has jealousy at all, let alone to WoW's popularity.  Just because someone doesn't like a product doesn't necessarily mean it can be attributed to jealousy.  As for your point of Blizzard having massive resources, this is true yet the belief that no other developer could make something equally entertaining is a trait of close-mindedness.  Who knows what will happen in 5 years or 10?  I'm not saying WoW is doomed, but as any gameplayer can tell you, there comes a time when you just move on to something else whether it's due to the game itself or other reasons.

Yes, WoW subs keep going up.  A decade from now, the same thing could be said of a game as of yet undeveloped. Who really knows?  Yes, WotLK will outsell AoC and WAR, if not simply because WoW has been around longer and has a greater number of subscribers who want to check out the new content.  Does it mean that AoC and/or WAR are bad games because less people are playing? No, it just means there are less people playing because those products have not been available to the public in comparison to WoW.

We don't hate WoW for no reason. We hate it because Blizzard could've made it better, but we have folks such as yourself that are pleased with its lackluster state and would invest in this POS that is half of the content they gave in TBC.

I think you are assuming that I play WoW. That aside for the moment, there's no reason to hate something because Blizzard "could have made it better". If that's really true, then why hasn't ANY game developer in FOUR YEARS put out an MMO that exceeds WoW on all fronts? We seem to get overhyped games like AoC and Vanguard that not only fail out of the box, but whose lead developers leave the game after less than four months. WAR is an okay game, but its subs are dropping already. Why is anyone's guess, but lets face it, Mythic really didn't bring anything to the table that just blew people away. Where are player cities and housing? Intricate crafting? Vehicles that go beyond "mounts"? There are so many more things that ANY developer could implement, but they don't. Your discontent would be better served aimed at the developers who refuse to take a risk and continue to hash out the same old crap again and again.

People can dislike the game for whatever reason they choose, hence the term "opinion". For example, I gave up WoW last year because it felt less fun as the days went by and merely a grindfest for better gear to run higher instances.  Does this mean I think WoW sucks? No, it just means I lost interest in the WoW experience.  I'm into WAR at the moment, and while it shares many common details with WoW, no doubt the time will come when there is no new content available and it becomes repetitive and either I await an expansion, re-roll and do it all over again, or just stop playing.  That's the benefit of choice. 

Its people like yourself who promote Blizzard's degrading standards in being their effective, but sorry attempts at monopolizing our wallets  instead of  a decent company.

I like Blizzard games and I always have since I discovered Warcraft 2. Whatever you think of WoW, you can't doubt the awesomeness of the Starcraft and the Diablo series. You want to blame the players, but it's really the game companies that are to blame. Give me Star Wars Galaxies before the combat upgrade, and I'll pay for six months up front to get that experience back.

Hopefully soon, I'll be a part of the Jumpgate Evolution Beta, or if not that, playing the game sometime next year. I'm just as sick of the same old thing as anyone, but I'm also sick of the constant whining and gnashing of teeth at WoW.

There are many people in the world who do not share your enthusiasm for either the Starcraft or Diablo series, let alone WoW.  Simply stating your opinion that you think they are awesome does not suddenly mean it is law and anyone else who disagrees is wrong.  I'm glad you enjoy those series.  I enjoyed them at one point in time as well.

You may not like people having negative opinions of WoW, or at least voicing them here or other places but that is the beauty of the internet.  You either have to accept that not everyone is going to enjoy WoW or stop reading comments.

Originally posted by RMonterosso

wow is dying many players have quit and have moved on to to other games

You mean they had a lot more than 11 million players at one point? ;-)

Originally posted by Dreamagram

Originally posted by RMonterosso

wow is dying many players have quit and have moved on to to other games

You mean they had a lot more than 11 million players at one point? ;-)

While WoW dying is an exageration, a lot of people from vanilla WoW have left and you have to be foolish if you think otherwise. 

Funny anecdotal observation i have found lately is that back when WoW first came out when i talked with other players they all had a lot of mmo experience from other games.  Whether it was EQ, UO CoH whatever.  Now a days when i talk to other WoW players it is there first mmo.  i think a lot of the games success stems from word of mouth and heavy marketing, something that other mmos are lacking unless you keep up on them.

Zero interest in the expansion.

Originally posted by kcypher2000

While WoW dying is an exageration, a lot of people from vanilla WoW have left and you have to be foolish if you think otherwise. 

 

What is it with people constantly lamenting older versions of MMO's. Vanilla WoW NEEDED to expand, it was getting stale and boring. 40 man raids were a ridiculous concept from a logistics point of view, and were a headache even for the most organised Raid Guilds.

I'm really looking forward to the new content.  I've been playing wow off and on since a couple months after vanilla release.  While I can't say it's held my attention completely for these past few years it's always been an entertaining game to plug in and go.  While I understand other MMOs may provide certain aspects that are better for some people, the primary interest for me is End game raiding.  Now I wasn't fortunate to experience what passed for end game in the previous MMOs I played, mostly due to a lack of commitment.  But from the first time I set foot into MC and saw the 2 Giants standing by the bridge I was hooked on the epic aspect of the wow raiding world.  Every boss fight feels incredibly important in your first encounter, and every wipe gave me more incentive to take down the enemy.  The lack of a real punishment for dying other than resetting the fight and fixing your gear made the whole raid aspect doable and smooth.  Now with the introduction of 10-man dungeons, me and my real life friends can get together as a group and do these epic, story-driven events and see content that previously had been restricted to the socialites of the world (of warcraft).

To those griping about server stability, it's an unfortunate aspect of playing an online game.  We are always at the will of the server, if it's not there we aren't either.  I can't rightly remember the server issues with BC but I remember they were there too, it'll get better.  If you can't handle being governed by something you have no control over, then I would strongly suggest you stick to single player games.  Great thing about being a gamer is that in this day and age, we have enough choices to make a lot of people happy.  So find your happy place !

And to those that hate wow, not really anything you can do about it but put inflamatory posts in comments and on message boards.  You are welcome to your opinion, but don't get defensive if the people who enjoy the game stick up for it.

Anyways just my 2cents

P.S.:  At least I still got chicken