Darkfall remember me about Huxley when they announce the game, was 5 years later ? LOL. Now finaly i read that Huxley (most anticipating MMOFPS 5 years later) is now in Beta, thats a good reason to compare Darkfall with Huxley. I hope Darkfall will be release soon and i will get a beta key  before i have kids that will play this game. 

At no time has anyone seen any kind of ad by RAZORWAX/AVENTURINE hiring testers. We have never heard of any kind of partnership with any kind of business that does software testing. What you will find out eventually is that these professional testers never existed.

They are now a month from release, and they have not hired or trained any game masters. They have not created a billing/account system. The website hasnt been changed in 5 - 7 years. They still don't have a paid community manager or team. Is all of this going to magically appear on the day before release?

I can program that in half a day, that's no argument, specially because it can be done and tested without any public knowledge.

Besides, what's the point in saying it's real or not when there's no decent data pointing towards one end or the other. If anything, I find it suspicious, but we will find out sooner or later.

I think the main point why people say they are skeptic is because they (df) have lied before multiple times already about beta. They have projected a release with a lot of testing undone, with nothing setup to handle such a release.

How can people not be skeptical? Listen to what they're saying? We're tried that before, and again, and again and nothing happened. i think the point being made is, use a little common sense, a little logic. You put trust in those who have earned it.  Aventurine has shown they are not worthy of such trust.

That and just look at the fatcs. There is no information anywhere about the testing, and all the other stuff Ozmodan brought up. Their timetable is not possible. That is simple logic. Then look at past history of this exact same scenario happening multiple times, the conclusion is obvious! The game is not even close to release if anything exists at all.

This argument about darkfall is the same as when someone argues with someone about religion. No matter what you point out, how all contradictions are brought to light, the ending line is " it is all about faith."

Seriously, that is no way to prove something, about anything, especially a game that has been in development for so long and shown to deceive already.

Originally posted by Vynt

I think the main point why people say they are skeptic is because they (df) have lied before multiple times already about beta. They have projected a release with a lot of testing undone, with nothing setup to handle such a release.

How can people not be skeptical? Listen to what they're saying? We're tried that before, and again, and again and nothing happened. i think the point being made is, use a little common sense, a little logic. You put trust in those who have earned it.  Aventurine has shown they are not worthy of such trust.

That and just look at the fatcs. There is no information anywhere about the testing, and all the other stuff Ozmodan brought up. Their timetable is not possible. That is simple logic. Then look at past history of this exact same scenario happening multiple times, the conclusion is obvious! The game is not even close to release if anything exists at all.

This argument about darkfall is the same as when someone argues with someone about religion. No matter what you point out, how all contradictions are brought to light, the ending line is " it is all about faith."

Seriously, that is no way to prove something, about anything, especially a game that has been in development for so long and shown to deceive already.

I agree with this. I heard about one MMO that someone was supposedly making and all they were doing was hyping it up to bring traffic to a website so they could collect ad revenue... Dark Fall reminds me of that.

Originally posted by Vynt

I think the main point why people say they are skeptic is because they (df) have lied before multiple times already about beta. They have projected a release with a lot of testing undone, with nothing setup to handle such a release.

How can people not be skeptical? Listen to what they're saying? We're tried that before, and again, and again and nothing happened. i think the point being made is, use a little common sense, a little logic. You put trust in those who have earned it.  Aventurine has shown they are not worthy of such trust.

That and just look at the fatcs. There is no information anywhere about the testing, and all the other stuff Ozmodan brought up. Their timetable is not possible. That is simple logic. Then look at past history of this exact same scenario happening multiple times, the conclusion is obvious! The game is not even close to release if anything exists at all.

This argument about darkfall is the same as when someone argues with someone about religion. No matter what you point out, how all contradictions are brought to light, the ending line is " it is all about faith."

Seriously, that is no way to prove something, about anything, especially a game that has been in development for so long and shown to deceive already.

You clearly don't realize that rabid fanbois are immune to logic. It doesn't matter if you like the game(what it is supposed to be) or not, want the game to succeed or not, if you show the slightest bit of (well earned) skepticism that any logical person would have, you are labeled a troll. 

But by and far, my favorite fan response is "The facts are... " and then they list stuff that the devs have said with absolutely no way to prove it one way or another, but apparently because the devs said it, they are "facts".

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by Vynt

I think the main point why people say they are skeptic is because they (df) have lied before multiple times already about beta. They have projected a release with a lot of testing undone, with nothing setup to handle such a release.

How can people not be skeptical? Listen to what they're saying? We're tried that before, and again, and again and nothing happened. i think the point being made is, use a little common sense, a little logic. You put trust in those who have earned it.  Aventurine has shown they are not worthy of such trust.

That and just look at the fatcs. There is no information anywhere about the testing, and all the other stuff Ozmodan brought up. Their timetable is not possible. That is simple logic. Then look at past history of this exact same scenario happening multiple times, the conclusion is obvious! The game is not even close to release if anything exists at all.

This argument about darkfall is the same as when someone argues with someone about religion. No matter what you point out, how all contradictions are brought to light, the ending line is " it is all about faith."

Seriously, that is no way to prove something, about anything, especially a game that has been in development for so long and shown to deceive already.

 

You clearly don't realize that rabid fanbois are immune to logic. It doesn't matter if you like the game(what it is supposed to be) or not, want the game to succeed or not, if you show the slightest bit of (well earned) skepticism that any logical person would have, you are labeled a troll. 

But by and far, my favorite fan response is "The facts are... " and then they list stuff that the devs have said with absolutely no way to prove it one way or another, but apparently because the devs said it, they are "facts".

Sad, but true.

Even worse was that I was a rabid fan girl myself with the game WAR... it sounded great on paper, and people were supposedly having a great time with the game. Once I got into closed beta and got to play for a while my tune sure changed. Live and learn

I'd put my money on DarFall being a hoax. Been following it for several years and also have yet to hear from or find someone that is in this ellusive beta.

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin

I'd put my money on DarFall being a hoax. Been following it for several years and also have yet to hear from or find someone that is in this ellusive beta.

Same, and I don't think there is an actual beta in history that didn't have information leaked from it's participants or at least information from any credible source other than the developer.

Yes! Have you ever worked on a single project for around 8 years? As for amateur They all are rather skilled in their fields.

No, I don't believe I have. Working on something for 8 years doesn't make you a professional anyway. We've seen numerous MMORPG-s fail even though the team involved in their development had already released other MMORPG-s before. DFO is being developed by a new team, it's probably the most complex MMORPG to date, yet, according to Aventurine and a bunch of fanbois frothing at their mouths, it requires no beta testing at all. What makes it so different?

They have been testing the entire time its been in development. If you knew anything about programming and game development. You would know its part of the cycle. They also have had more then a year beta testing with paid beta testers.

Nope, I don't know much about programming and neither do you, but that's where the similarities between us end, because I can put two and two together to understand that the whole thing reaks of bs. There are many MMORPG-s out there, most of them very simple in comparison to DFO, I'm sure they all go through the same process or cycle. Some dev team comes up with a feature, they program it, they implement it, they test it internally (paid beta testers), they release it and, more often than not, it's going to be bugged and will require additional fixes and changes anyway. Every major MMORPG released to this date, and I mean EVERY MMORPG, had to go through a stage of testing, where a lot of outside testers had to be let in to test the client on a broad spectrum of hardware configurations. And, just so we're clear on this one, I'm talking about PC-s only. How does Mac have anything to do with what I said I have no idea.

As for the server issue they have developed a new AND unqie server achatecture that uses server clusters in a much more MMO effeicnt manor. Any type of considerable lantency/lag will be due to Distance from the server location and number of hops.

Sure, I've heard that one. It's just that we don't know if it works or even exists, because we haven't seen it, have we? If it's such a great thing then why haven't anybody else come up with it yet? Ok, it's possible that they're a bunch of miracle workers; they have the best server architecture, they have the best MMORPG ever, they have the best combat, the best server ruleset, the best internal beta testers... So what's next? Are they going to come up with a cure for cancer in their spare time? I mean everything's possible, theoretically speaking, but seriously... Some people are going to have a hard time believing all that until they actually see it.

This is because people who post every day 100 times or more. are no longer posting and these said people all went 'missing' at the same time. I think you can even guess why?

There's always a person that will release some information, especially for something as big as DFO. And I'm not even talking about screenshots or gameplay movies. There hasn't even been a word about anybody who says that they're in beta (whether they're telling the truth or not is another story). I know people who have been on the DFO forums from day one, I know people who work as moderators on the forums, I know people who have met the developers in person and NONE of them got invited to this beta that's supposedly going on right now, hell, NONE of them even know anybody who's got access to the beta. How is that possible? What are the chances of having the most talented dev team in the history of MMORPG-s, the most complex MMORPG ever, and the most honest of people as beta testers at the same time? Yeah, all this is just as possible as a couple of meteors hitting the houses of all said spammers at the same time.

What would make it truth?

Beta testers saying it is truth would make it kind of truth, for example. Also, more specific information about the game's features, list of skills, abilities etc. would make it a bit more believable. There were numerous MMORPG-s with actual beta tests going on (some of which I was a part of) that got cancelled for one reason or another. Shadowbane was supposed to be a great, solid game but when I joined the European beta it turned out that the server lags and then crashes with more than 20 people on it. That could be the case with DFO for all I know.

Its because they want you to figure it out on your own. Thats half the fun!

Is this a real argument or an attempt at a joke?

If anyone knew the history of other MMO's then they wouldn't hate so very much.

You might want to rethink what you just said, as it's the exact opposite. Anyone with a tiny bit of experience in MMORPG-s coupled with the ability of logical thinking will be naturally skeptical about this game.

This site keep impress me with the almighy experts, hahaha.. Oh my, you guys should actually try to see your 'expertise comments' from another angle. More nerdy folks is hard to find I guess.

You don't even type it objectivity, you're really thinking that your words are cut in stone and knowing better than anyone else.

Pathetic!

Yay!

Second round of beta invites : )

The haters wont like this at all.

PM me if you have a key to trade.

Originally posted by Vynt

I think the main point why people say they are skeptic is because they (df) have lied before multiple times already about beta. They have projected a release with a lot of testing undone, with nothing setup to handle such a release.

How can people not be skeptical? Listen to what they're saying? We're tried that before, and again, and again and nothing happened. i think the point being made is, use a little common sense, a little logic. You put trust in those who have earned it.  Aventurine has shown they are not worthy of such trust.

That and just look at the fatcs. There is no information anywhere about the testing, and all the other stuff Ozmodan brought up. Their timetable is not possible. That is simple logic. Then look at past history of this exact same scenario happening multiple times, the conclusion is obvious! The game is not even close to release if anything exists at all.

This argument about darkfall is the same as when someone argues with someone about religion. No matter what you point out, how all contradictions are brought to light, the ending line is " it is all about faith."

Seriously, that is no way to prove something, about anything, especially a game that has been in development for so long and shown to deceive already.

I'm skeptical myself, but what you pointed out seems speculation to me, like most of the things people say about this game. There's always NDA but I agree it's a bit weird we lack at least one asshole breaching said NDA to post things about it.

But hey, there has been a presentation in Athens. *shrugs*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS-qlpX6j-4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n9UmX6SY-I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMyfwGOd2ek

Anyway, I'd rather not claim either way when there are no evidences for either, I will just keep my suspicions and joke around, since it's always funny to see people fighting over something that doesn't matter at all.

Good god, there are some sad little people on this forum. What kind of crusade are you on that you hate this game so much?

Originally posted by Seggallion

This site keep impress me with the almighy experts, hahaha.. Oh my, you guys should actually try to see your 'expertise comments' from another angle. More nerdy folks is hard to find I guess.

You don't even type it objectivity, you're really thinking that your words are cut in stone and knowing better than anyone else.

Pathetic!

You said it. In this site everyone is a blind fanboy and mmorpg mega godly ultimate expert. Everything they say comes from a billion years of gaming experience and "hundreds or all mmmorpgs"beta tested in their lifetimes. Any game that has been in development for more than 5(or more) years is vaporware and its fake if its done a company of nobodies, by their reasonings and experience in such matters a company or developers must have prior godly experience in mmorpgs and MUST have an OB with thousands of players previewsly uninterested in the game test it out so that the devs can listen to such amazing and always true feedback.

Almost forgot, they must spend millions in the games development and millions more in marketing so that this said experts can confirm the game is real.

All of this can only happen here at mmorpg.com  there just isnt any other place on the planet for better proved type of discussions.

Darkfall is gonna impress those of us who are sick and tired of the WoW clone formula. Darkfall doesn't need to be cutting edge to succeed. Darkfall just has to reverse all the examples of WoW cloning.

One shining example will be that in Darkfall there will be no stupid unrealistic icons or glows around questgivers. Halleluiah! I can't explain how much I despise the stupid concept of marking questgivers for lazy ADD kids.

Originally posted by m3ta

Originally posted by Draccan

 

I don't believe there really is a beta going on. I don't believe this game is anything but a hoax.

 

 

Agreed. If a dxdiag with a Quad Core, 8GB Ram, 5TB HD is not enough, then they are not inviting anyone. :P

Having something that MOSt people Don't have isn't the best way to get into beta.  LoL.  You want to have very NORMAL system specs.  What good is it to know that it will work on something .05% of the population will be using?

Originally posted by imbant

Yea i firmly believe that all those people at that technology conference that were watching a live version of DF being played were all robots and all the developers were CGI or aliens.

Also, all the TV channels and Magazines that did reports on DF in the last month were government scams to get your first born child.

<3

Ha!  I'll bet more people have reported seeing aliens and UFOs than have seen actual live gameplay of DF!

Just saying....