Now that his Presidency is almost over, it's time to start showing Bush a little respect ?

Err, why?

Just because someones leaving does'nt mean you have to suddenly be nice to them unless your a two faced  (insert suitable term here!). I don't care for Bush, he has proved to me that  a lack of intelligence is no bar to becoming president. 

I am waiting for the new president to take office and hopefully make a positive impact on world affairs whoever pretty words and well attended rallies don't change our world. Action do.

Bush has done nothing to earn my respect. 

Originally posted by Macharg

Now that his Presidency is almost over, it's time to start showing Bush a little respect ?

 

Err, why?

 

Just because someones leaving does'nt mean you have to suddenly be nice to them unless your a two faced  (insert suitable term here!). I don't care for Bush, he has proved to me that  a lack of intelligence is no bar to becoming president. 

I am waiting for the new president to take office and hopefully make a positive impact on world affairs whoever pretty words and well attended rallies don't change our world. Action do.

Bush has done nothing to earn my respect. 

your Bio says London... No one cares one post alt. And Bush is OUR leader. Start a thread about yours.

Originally posted by Macharg

Now that his Presidency is almost over, it's time to start showing Bush a little respect ?

 

Err, why?

 

Just because someones leaving does'nt mean you have to suddenly be nice to them unless your a two faced  (insert suitable term here!). I don't care for Bush, he has proved to me that  a lack of intelligence is no bar to becoming president. 

I am waiting for the new president to take office and hopefully make a positive impact on world affairs whoever pretty words and well attended rallies don't change our world. Action do.

Bush has done nothing to earn my respect. 

So keeping us from being attacked since 9/11 isn't worthy of respect?

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Macharg

Now that his Presidency is almost over, it's time to start showing Bush a little respect ?

 

Err, why?

 

Just because someones leaving does'nt mean you have to suddenly be nice to them unless your a two faced  (insert suitable term here!). I don't care for Bush, he has proved to me that  a lack of intelligence is no bar to becoming president. 

I am waiting for the new president to take office and hopefully make a positive impact on world affairs whoever pretty words and well attended rallies don't change our world. Action do.

Bush has done nothing to earn my respect. 

 

So keeping us from being attacked since 9/11 isn't worthy of respect?

Come on Fishermage. You Know 9/11 was a Inside job. Those Muslem's cant Possably Do anything to harm us on American Soil. /Sarcasm

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Macharg

Now that his Presidency is almost over, it's time to start showing Bush a little respect ?

 

Err, why?

 

Just because someones leaving does'nt mean you have to suddenly be nice to them unless your a two faced  (insert suitable term here!). I don't care for Bush, he has proved to me that  a lack of intelligence is no bar to becoming president. 

I am waiting for the new president to take office and hopefully make a positive impact on world affairs whoever pretty words and well attended rallies don't change our world. Action do.

Bush has done nothing to earn my respect. 

 

So keeping us from being attacked since 9/11 isn't worthy of respect?

Come on Fishermage. You Know 9/11 was a Inside job. Those Muslem's cant Possably Do anything to harm us on American Soil. /Sarcasm

Actually I have it on good authority that it was the shape-shifting reptilians from the fourth dimension.

Originally posted by LV426

Originally posted by girlgeek

Originally posted by LV426

Originally posted by Tuor7

I still think Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, Rice, and others should all be strung up and hung after being convicted in a court of law for lying to and otherwise deceiving us about Iraq. Over 4000 dead and untold billions spent because of these scumbags. I'm not going to forgive that. I remember very well the lead up to our invasion of Iraq, even if some of the rest of you do not.

Bush has done our nation tremendous harm in many ways, but to me our invasion of Iraq was the worst single thing he did.

Respect? Please. If I had my way, he'd already have been impeached, convicted, tossed from office, criminally indicted, convicted, and then hung.

                          Other than the repeated "strung up and hung" bit, I agree.

Respect is EARNED, not given.

                    And on THAT point, I definitely agree.

Thank you for proving my point. NOT ONLY, do you spout outright falsehoods (if anyone lied, it's iether Saddam or the CIA, take your pick), but you have shown a complete UNWILLINGESS to show respect... and seem proud of such an attitude.

I pray you are in the minority, but either way, your value shows through.

Respect is earned, true... but it was earned by clearly making it into office (or do you want to downgrade Gore and Kerry in one fell swoop... after all, they failed to get in). And as such, I do believe Obama should ALSO get respect. But clearly you do not. If people treat him like crap, you have no right to complain.

 

So you're saying that if someone has a title....they deserve respect?  Okay, so....since it takes quite a lot to become a priest and have the name "Father" or "Bishop," by your reasoning then, we should "respect" the priests that were caught molesting young boys in the church??  That sort of "reasoning" defies logic.

The Church is a private organization which this scandal you speak of has cut respect to in total. So how the HELL can you argue respect for the title under an organization that does not really have it anymore. YOU SIR, just gave an irrelevant argument.

First of all, rocket scientist genius that you assuredly are, I'm not a "Sir."  Secondly, you obviously don't read very well, as I was definitely NOT

 saying that these priests deserve any respect, just as Bush does not.  When you are supposed to be a PUBLIC SERVANT of ANY kind and then you sh** on the public....how much respect do you think that warrants?

Frankly....I think YOU are the one with issues here, not the people you're railing at for being "disrespectful." If you had any SELF-respect, you would realize that a TITLE does not earn one respect.

Nah... I have self respect. That's why I havent become another raving lunatic online (my target would have been Pelosi by your standards... still would be, actually). YOU on the other hand, cant take criticism, appearantly. So you rail on me... *claps* go you.

Funny...you SOUND

 like a "raving lunatic online."  O.o  

And how do you get that I can't take criticism?  Where was anyone being critical of me?  I'm railing on you?  I don't think so.  I think I'm pointing out a fact that most psychologists would likely agree with regarding your desire to pass out respect as though it was some kind of cheap hard candy and not an earned thing.

I also agree with the poster that stated that lack of respect for someone and pure HATRED for them, are two entirely different things.  But if you HEAR seething hostility from some Americans regarding Bush....there are myriads of reasons WHY they feel as they do.  And yes....I think what you're hearing is a lack of respect....a very well EARNED lack of respect.

 Honestly, I feel that reflects more on you then him. Again, why I dont go railing on politicians like you all seem to want to.

So I take it that you believe we should all just sit back and pat the politicians on the back regardless of their actions?  I'm sorry, but they are supposed to be working for US, not the other way around.  If they're not serving the public, but rather destroying the fabric of the society in which we live.....I think we have not only a right, but a moral obligation to speak out. 

 

 The angry tirade posted in red above, was obviously made by someone who is incredibly butt hurt about the election.  I'm sorry you're angy.  I'm not even remotely angry.  I'm just glad we don't have to deal with Bush any more. :)  Someone in the thread made the comment about the Republicans "rolling up their sleeves" and looking forward.  Well, I'm not  a Republican OR a Democrat.  I'm an American.  And I will vote for whomever I believe will do the best job all around.  If that ends up being a Republican, so be it.....if not....so be it.

However....I will refuse to show "respect" for a title alone.  You can give a goat a TITLE.  Titles are words.  They do not denote any "owed" respect, as in the example I gave about priests that molest children.  A PERSON earns respect, not a title.  

Somewhere along the way, we have forgotten that elected officials are supposed to represent the people of the nation that they serve.  Their titles are titles that denote servanthood, not elitism.  

I find it comical that the most ranting, raving, maniacal sounding posts in this thread are from people defending President Bush.  Why is that?  I don't think anyone else sounded near so angry as those few.  If you're upset about the election results, just say so and move on.  There's really no need for us all to keep beating a dead horse.  The only reason that I posted was because of the bizarre notion that we should dole out respect as though it was nothing of value.  To me.....that point goes FAR BEYOND governmental issues.

Respect?  Interesting. No, I don't think so.  Bush is lucky he isn't being brought up on charges of treason.  The Iraq war was purely a way to dodge his inability to get bin laden while lining the pockets of Haliburton and the Carlisle group.  BUSH MURDERED OUR TROOPS FOR POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY AND MONEY FOR HIS CRONIES.  There is no punishment that is intense enough for that level of treason.

The real irony is that so many "god'fearing" folk continue to support him and his activities. I guess some folks think crusades are good things and that people who don't share your religious beliefs deserve to die. 

Someone asked me what I thought of Sarah Palin as the republican VP choice and at first I was surprised that they would pick the Whore of Babylon but then I considered all the work the republican party has done for Satan these past eight years, it made sense.

Originally posted by Arinwulf

Respect?  Interesting. No, I don't think so.  Bush is lucky he isn't being brought up on charges of treason.  The Iraq war was purely a way to dodge his inability to get bin laden while lining the pockets of Haliburton and the Carlisle group.  BUSH MURDERED OUR TROOPS FOR POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY AND MONEY FOR HIS CRONIES.  There is no punishment that is intense enough for that level of treason.

The real irony is that so many "god'fearing" folk continue to support him and his activities. I guess some folks think crusades are good things and that people who don't share your religious beliefs deserve to die. 

Someone asked me what I thought of Sarah Palin as the republican VP choice and at first I was surprised that they would pick the Whore of Babylon but then I considered all the work the republican party has done for Satan these past eight years, it made sense.

Care to provide some evidence for your point of view on the war? Do you know the definition of treason? How does that apply here?

Did you know that congress approved the use of force in both Afghanistan and Iraq? Did you know that Saddam Hussein was in clear violation of the terms of his surrender from the first gulf war, and that alone more than justifies the war to liberate Iraq?

Did you know that the crusades were largely defensive wars? That they had nothing to do with "people who don't share your religious beliefs deserv(ing) to die?" Where did you learn that about the crusades?

Furthermore, do you really believe that overthrowing Saddam Hussein was a BAD thing, as in Immoral, and was done because George Bush just wanted to see Muslims die because they believe differently than he does?

www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6981/defense.htm

www.thearma.org/essays/Crusades.htm

How long have you been studying history, and the history of Islamic Holy War in particular, and how closely have you studied it?

Now that last part. What makes you call Sarah Palin the "whore of babylon?" How does that term apply? Care to draw the Biblical Parallel and show the development of that opinion?

How is the cause of human liberty served by the broad brush of hatred and hyperbole that you are using?

At any rate, thanks for proving me right about the irrational hatred thing. Once again.

Originally posted by Fishermage

 

So keeping us from being attacked since 9/11 isn't worthy of respect?

Yes lets talk about 9/11 and how Bush allowed Bin Laden's family to leave the country while all other flights were cancelled. Lets also note the fact that it was the Bush administrations job to stop it happening in the first place and the fact that the whole mess has been allowed to spiral out of control on his watch.

As for not being from the USA Bush's incompetence has had far reaching consequences. I am still angry over the fact that while US troops were so obsessively guarding the Iraq ministry of oil the city's museum was left completely unprotected and was completely ransacked!

I could go on but this is a computer games forum and therefore anything said here or anywhere is unlikely to make the slightest difference.

Originally posted by girlgeek

Originally posted by LV426

Originally posted by girlgeek

Originally posted by LV426

Originally posted by Tuor7

I still think Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, Rice, and others should all be strung up and hung after being convicted in a court of law for lying to and otherwise deceiving us about Iraq. Over 4000 dead and untold billions spent because of these scumbags. I'm not going to forgive that. I remember very well the lead up to our invasion of Iraq, even if some of the rest of you do not.

Bush has done our nation tremendous harm in many ways, but to me our invasion of Iraq was the worst single thing he did.

Respect? Please. If I had my way, he'd already have been impeached, convicted, tossed from office, criminally indicted, convicted, and then hung.

                          Other than the repeated "strung up and hung" bit, I agree.

Respect is EARNED, not given.

                    And on THAT point, I definitely agree.

Thank you for proving my point. NOT ONLY, do you spout outright falsehoods (if anyone lied, it's iether Saddam or the CIA, take your pick), but you have shown a complete UNWILLINGESS to show respect... and seem proud of such an attitude.

I pray you are in the minority, but either way, your value shows through.

Respect is earned, true... but it was earned by clearly making it into office (or do you want to downgrade Gore and Kerry in one fell swoop... after all, they failed to get in). And as such, I do believe Obama should ALSO get respect. But clearly you do not. If people treat him like crap, you have no right to complain.

 

So you're saying that if someone has a title....they deserve respect?  Okay, so....since it takes quite a lot to become a priest and have the name "Father" or "Bishop," by your reasoning then, we should "respect" the priests that were caught molesting young boys in the church??  That sort of "reasoning" defies logic.

The Church is a private organization which this scandal you speak of has cut respect to in total. So how the HELL can you argue respect for the title under an organization that does not really have it anymore. YOU SIR, just gave an irrelevant argument.

First of all, rocket scientist genius that you assuredly are, I'm not a "Sir."  

You never know on the web, today.

Secondly, you obviously don't read very well, as I was definitely NOT

Able to keep your paragraphs together properly? I agree.

 saying that these priests deserve any respect, just as Bush does not.  When you are supposed to be a PUBLIC SERVANT of ANY kind and then you sh** on the public....how much respect do you think that warrants?

Are priests paid by the government? No? Then they are hardly public servants. BTW, you still havent answered my question about it, or explained how it's relevant.

Frankly....I think YOU are the one with issues here, not the people you're railing at for being "disrespectful." If you had any SELF-respect, you would realize that a TITLE does not earn one respect.

Nah... I have self respect. That's why I havent become another raving lunatic online (my target would have been Pelosi by your standards... still would be, actually). YOU on the other hand, cant take criticism, appearantly. So you rail on me... *claps* go you.

Funny...you SOUND

  like a "raving lunatic online."  O.o  

You know, that WOULD be funny.... if it wasnt so perfectly predictable.....

And how do you get that I can't take criticism?

 Where was anyone being critical of me?

Let's see.... you took the time rather then argue my point, to tell me Im a bad person. (In more words and detail, but Im simplifying because it's not worth any more then that.) So rather then actually debate me, you came off as a screaming lunatic.

I'm railing on you?  I don't think so.  I think I'm pointing out a fact that most psychologists would likely agree with regarding your desire to pass out respect as though it was some kind of cheap hard candy and not an earned thing.

It is SO tempting to take the easy way out right now, but Im not you. I wont do it. What I WILL do is explain how you are once again, instead of debating the MERITS of the argument, decided to turn the argument on who I am. A very standard tactic, and dare I say, one you did with alot more politeness this time. However, it still is nothing more then a personal attack to avoid actually arguing the point. The ONLY point you gave so far that even comes close to valid is the Church, which as I said before, is an organization which lost it's regard in total, so the respect of being a part of it is lost... and making it an irrelevant example.

I also agree with the poster that stated that lack of respect for someone and pure HATRED for them, are two entirely different things.  But if you HEAR seething hostility from some Americans regarding Bush....there are myriads of reasons WHY they feel as they do.  And yes....I think what you're hearing is a lack of respect....a very well EARNED lack of respect.

 Honestly, I feel that reflects more on you then him. Again, why I dont go railing on politicians like you all seem to want to.

So I take it that you believe we should all just sit back and pat the politicians on the back regardless of their actions?

No, but this is where your argument should have gone from response 1. They do something stupid, they should be critisized like everyone else. But...

1) ONE act does not define a person... their history does.

and 2) Unless you have no respect for the government in total, there is a minimum "lip service" respect to be held for those running it.

 I'm sorry, but they are supposed to be working for US, not the other way around.  If they're not serving the public, but rather destroying the fabric of the society in which we live.....I think we have not only a right, but a moral obligation to speak out. 

 Of course, but there is a big difference between "HE SUCKS! GET RID OF HIM!" and "You know? that sucks... we should have done...." or something much more constructive then the rages I see around me on this.

 The angry tirade posted in red above

Red or orange? Cause Ill tell you right now, there is no anger in a single word Ive written.... now the orange sounds at least outraged.

, was obviously made by someone who is incredibly butt hurt about the election.  I'm sorry you're angy.  I'm not even remotely angry.

Since I can only see two names writing this, and you are clearly not me, I have to call you a bauld-faced liar. After all, you are the one who decided to go personal, not me.

 I'm just glad we don't have to deal with Bush any more. :)  Someone in the thread made the comment about the Republicans "rolling up their sleeves" and looking forward.  Well, I'm not  a Republican OR a Democrat.  I'm an American.  And I will vote for whomever I believe will do the best job all around.  If that ends up being a Republican, so be it.....if not....so be it.

Reasonable..... hell, Id say if this is honest alot more reasonable then what Im used to. (I live in MA, so I see the "Dem or nothin" attitude more often then not.)

However....I will refuse to show "respect" for a title alone.

Alright, let's hear it...

 You can give a goat a TITLE.

Yes, you can... but can you give a goat a meaningful title? One that has responsibilities attached? I suppose so, but it would be pretty silly.

Titles are words.

Yes, they are... and if it's a meaningful set of words, then they mean something.

 They do not denote any "owed" respect, as in the example I gave about priests that molest children.  A PERSON earns respect, not a title.  

AH! so this is the same writer... I thought as much... yep, I would say you are at least alot more charged up then I am.

In any case, you gave an example based on an organization that itself does not get much respect these days, hense why I do not see the relevance. The church has been disgraced by those events, and the mark on it's own reputation and due respect will remain for some time.

Now if you want to tell me the government is not owed any respect on similar ground, NOW you have an argument. I just find it sad I have to point out that path to you.

Somewhere along the way, we have forgotten that elected officials are supposed to represent the people of the nation that they serve.  Their titles are titles that denote servanthood, not elitism.  

....actually, I agree with that.... but that is something most will never grasp... and also kinda beside the point. After all, would you disrepect someone paid to serve you? I dont believe that would be right either.

I find it comical that the most ranting, raving, maniacal sounding posts in this thread are from people defending President Bush.

You do? Seriously? I see so much of it still railling on him that it isnt funny.

 Why is that?  I don't think anyone else sounded near so angry as those few.

Clearly you forgot about the 2000 elections.

 If you're upset about the election results, just say so and move on.  There's really no need for us all to keep beating a dead horse.  The only reason that I posted was because of the bizarre notion that we should dole out respect as though it was nothing of value.  To me.....that point goes FAR BEYOND governmental issues.

And yet to ignore that title for the responsibilities attached is ignorant, if you ask me. Frankly, there is a balance to be struck here.... but you probably will never see that.

 

 

Originally posted by Macharg

Originally posted by Fishermage

 

So keeping us from being attacked since 9/11 isn't worthy of respect?

 

Yes lets talk about 9/11 and how Bush allowed Bin Laden's family to leave the country while all other flights were cancelled.

There have been ALOT of mistakes in this, but that isnt one of them. The mob mentality in that moment would have had them dead in the streets for something they were never convicted of. After all, their only crime was a blood relation, but expect a mob to understand that... I dare you.

Lets also note the fact that it was the Bush administrations job to stop it happening in the first place and the fact that the whole mess has been allowed to spiral out of control on his watch.

As for not being from the USA Bush's incompetence has had far reaching consequences. I am still angry over the fact that while US troops were so obsessively guarding the Iraq ministry of oil the city's museum was left completely unprotected and was completely ransacked!

I could go on but this is a computer games forum and therefore anything said here or anywhere is unlikely to make the slightest difference.

I dont know enough of the rest to argue it either way, but go play... Hell, Im doing the same in a moment... WAR calls.

The guy is a simple man who was used a scapegoat for the rest of the government. The only thing I respect him for is being able to keep a straight face with all of the liquor running through this veins... oh.. wait..

Originally posted by Macharg

Originally posted by Fishermage

 

So keeping us from being attacked since 9/11 isn't worthy of respect?

 

Yes lets talk about 9/11 and how Bush allowed Bin Laden's family to leave the country while all other flights were cancelled. Lets also note the fact that it was the Bush administrations job to stop it happening in the first place and the fact that the whole mess has been allowed to spiral out of control on his watch.

As for not being from the USA Bush's incompetence has had far reaching consequences. I am still angry over the fact that while US troops were so obsessively guarding the Iraq ministry of oil the city's museum was left completely unprotected and was completely ransacked!

I could go on but this is a computer games forum and therefore anything said here or anywhere is unlikely to make the slightest difference.

But have we been attacked since then? No.

Originally posted by LV426

Originally posted by Macharg

Originally posted by Fishermage

 

So keeping us from being attacked since 9/11 isn't worthy of respect?

 

Yes lets talk about 9/11 and how Bush allowed Bin Laden's family to leave the country while all other flights were cancelled.

There have been ALOT of mistakes in this, but that isnt one of them. The mob mentality in that moment would have had them dead in the streets for something they were never convicted of. After all, their only crime was a blood relation, but expect a mob to understand that... I dare you.

Lets also note the fact that it was the Bush administrations job to stop it happening in the first place and the fact that the whole mess has been allowed to spiral out of control on his watch.

As for not being from the USA Bush's incompetence has had far reaching consequences. I am still angry over the fact that while US troops were so obsessively guarding the Iraq ministry of oil the city's museum was left completely unprotected and was completely ransacked!

I could go on but this is a computer games forum and therefore anything said here or anywhere is unlikely to make the slightest difference.

 

I dont know enough of the rest to argue it either way, but go play... Hell, Im doing the same in a moment... WAR calls.

Also it is interesting to note people who blame this happening on "his watch" remain in denial about the enemy, ignore that we are in World War III, seek to undermine our efforts in Iraq, divide us when we should be united, and otherwise invite another 9/11 happening with their very actions.

One can reasonably criticize a president respectfully, without resorting to the hatred which divides us as a nation.

These hate-filled attacks against the president in time of war embolden the enemy and give them  exactly what they want. The Bush haters are helping the Jihad win.

Originally posted by Fishermage

Also it is interesting to note people who blame this happening on "his watch" remain in denial about the enemy, ignore that we are in World War III, seek to undermine our efforts in Iraq, divide us when we should be united, and otherwise invite another 9/11 happening with their very actions.

One can reasonably criticize a president respectfully, without resorting to the hatred which divides us as a nation.

These hate-filled attacks against the president in time of war embolden the enemy and give them  exactly what they want. The Bush haters are helping the Jihad win.

AHAHAHAHA!!! I can't... stop laughing... OMG... FEAR!! FEAR! It's WW3 and everyone who thinks differently is just helping the terrorists!! AHAHA!!

Oh no wait, that's what the constitution is for. You know, rights and all that to say we have a problem with our leaders and their decisions. And we aren't "bringing" about anything by speaking out against him. That's like saying that a girl who wears a short skirt is just asking to be raped.

Originally posted by streea

Originally posted by Fishermage

Also it is interesting to note people who blame this happening on "his watch" remain in denial about the enemy, ignore that we are in World War III, seek to undermine our efforts in Iraq, divide us when we should be united, and otherwise invite another 9/11 happening with their very actions.

One can reasonably criticize a president respectfully, without resorting to the hatred which divides us as a nation.

These hate-filled attacks against the president in time of war embolden the enemy and give them  exactly what they want. The Bush haters are helping the Jihad win.

AHAHAHAHA!!! I can't... stop laughing... OMG... FEAR!! FEAR! It's WW3 and everyone who thinks differently is just helping the terrorists!! AHAHA!!

Oh no wait, that's what the constitution is for. You know, rights and all that to say we have a problem with our leaders and their decisions. And we aren't "bringing" about anything by speaking out against him. That's like saying that a girl who wears a short skirt is just asking to be raped.

Ummm...did you actually READ what I wrote? I'm the libertarian here. I don't support Bush, nor did I support McCain. I do, however, support my country, as well as people behaving as decent human beings in a civilized manner.

I said one can reasonably criticize anyone, but that HATE serves no one -- neither does your rhetoric.  Thank you for proving me right though.

I don't think he deserves any more respect than the title he had. The only jobs he created in his 8 year term was for the Comedy industry. Comedians and sitcoms had a ball with just about everything this guy did. He was a yahoo half elected twice.

Lets review some respect worthy events:

1. Presided as president for 8 years during one of the most stagnant growth periods in years.

2. Took the United States from a highly respected nation in the world to a laughing stock where its citizens are afraid to travel overseas.

3. Spent the country into a HUGE gigantic hole and mortgaged off our kid's future.

4. With his "everyman" unitelligent speech and actions in the White House the last 8 yrs, made people redefine the dignity of this office. He made it appear that any buffoon can't do any worse than he did. Like the average Joe the Plumber couldn't do worse.

Sure, that deserves a LOT of respect. Or maybe as you state in your post title-

a LITTLE respect. VERY little  lol.

My respect for him is he actually got that many idiots to abandon common sense, buy into fear mongering and vote for him not once, but twice. That deserves respect.

*"he kept the country safe from terrorist attack blah blah blah." People always say this as if it means something. The "terrorists" got what they wanted, a one hit wonder. Bin Laden now rests on the laurels of the evil deed he did and he'll never have to do another thing ever cause we get a daily reminder of it for the last 6 yrs in our failure to catch his butt. Our daily reminder of our his failure is each day we spend in Iraq. Bin Laden won already.

Once the Patriot Act was activated the terrorists won.

Originally posted by popinjay

I don't think he deserves any more respect than the title he had. The only jobs he created in his 8 year term was for the Comedy industry. Comedians and sitcoms had a ball with just about everything this guy did. He was a yahoo half elected twice.

Lets review some respect worthy events:

1. Presided as president for 8 years during one of the most stagnant growth periods in years.

2. Took the United States from a highly respected nation in the world to a laughing stock where its citizens are afraid to travel overseas.

3. Spent the country into a HUGE gigantic hole and mortgaged off our kid's future.

4. With his "everyman" unitelligent speech and actions in the White House the last 8 yrs, made people redefine the dignity of this office. He made it appear that any buffoon can't do any worse than he did. Like the average Joe the Plumber couldn't do worse.

Sure, that deserves a LOT of respect. Or maybe as you state in your post title-

a LITTLE respect. VERY little  lol.

My respect for him is he actually got that many idiots to abandon common sense, buy into fear mongering and vote for him not once, but twice. That deserves respect.

*"he kept the country safe from terrorist attack blah blah blah." People always say this as if it means something. The "terrorists" got what they wanted, a one hit wonder. Bin Laden now rests on the laurels of the evil deed he did and he'll never have to do another thing ever cause we get a daily reminder of it for the last 6 yrs in our failure to catch his butt. Our daily reminder of our his failure is each day we spend in Iraq. Bin Laden won already.

The Jihad is not about Bin Laden. To think so shows a gross misunderstanding of the enemy we face.

Originally posted by Briansho

Once the Patriot Act was activated the terrorists won.

To an extent, that's true, which is why it ought to be repealed. But that is no reason to spit hate at one another in the opening moves of World War III.

issues should be discussed without hatred and disrespect for one another. That kind of attitude serves only the enemy.

Oh, and the enemy is not "terrorists." It's the Jihad.

This Jihad you are talking about... its not an enemy. Its a belief. Its a ideal. And you cannot win a war against an ideal cause only people die, their ideals live on forever.

Which is why Bush was an idiot, as were every citizen who urged and jeered him into going to Iraq was, cause you cannot defeat this. This 'war' will go on forever cause at its core, you present it a a simplified method of "us vs. them". Well my friend, its way more basic than than.

Its simply the american 'ideal' of life vs the middle eastern "ideal" way of life. We are injected things like western values over there for years. We have been subverting that area of the world since the 50's as our plaything. Those people are frankly just tired of it. The 'jihadists' seized on the opportunity and ran with it. We cannot win over there, cause at the core we are trying to defeat ideals.

Same way you can't win a "war on drugs" or a "war on crime" or a "war of porn" or "war on anything". Its not an enemy. You are promoting a fictious WW3.

Originally posted by popinjay

This Jihad you are talking about... its not an enemy. Its a belief. Its a ideal. And you cannot win a war against an ideal cause only people die, their ideals live on forever.

Which is why Bush was an idiot, as were every citizen who urged and jeered him into going to Iraq was, cause you cannot defeat this. This 'war' will go on forever cause at its core, you present it a a simplified method of "us vs. them". Well my friend, its way more basic than than.

Its simply the american 'ideal' of life vs the middle eastern "ideal" way of life. We are injected things like western values over there for years. We have been subverting that area of the world since the 50's as our plaything. Those people are frankly just tired of it. The 'jihadists' seized on the opportunity and ran with it. We cannot win over there, cause at the core we are trying to defeat ideals.

Same way you can't win a "war on drugs" or a "war on crime" or a "war of porn" or "war on anything". Its not an enemy. You are promoting a fictious WW3.

Naziism was an ideal. As was communism. ALL enemies are ideals. You CAN win any war against them, and sometimes you must use force of arms.

The Jihad is not the "middle eastern" way of life. It's a faction within a religion that seeks to rule us all. It is a long war and freedom will win, apparently, sadly, without your help. that's okay -- you will benefit freely from our efforts.

Again fisher,

You ignore that fact that the US has been subversive in the Middle East since the 50s. Any chowderhead can get info from the Freedom of Information Act and find out just what weve been doing there. But will anyone do it? Nah. Its easier to "Rally 'round the flag boys!" "My country.. right or wrong!" Thats some crazy thinking. That's what got Germany in trouble, now that you bring up allies. And btw, Nazism was and ideal and it is still around today. The difference was, that was an ACTUAL war with ACTUAL soldiers and countries.

The Mideast is one big mess. Our biggest ally there, other than Israel, is not a democracy. Saudi Arabia. The main reason they get off the hook, is because of Bush and friends and the Capitalist influence on oil there. Thats why we can't get some decent energy bills here. Thats why we can't get some funding for alternative fuel, but kick up the military budget. We cannot defeat these guys, cause their countries won't let us. Pakistan, Saudi Arabia.. those places will not really let us root out terrorism.

Err.. and I did my part. I was in the service out of H.S. with the D.E.P. program. I done my duty but that don't make me more patriotic than you. Youre really helping as well by sitting there and typing. Last I checked, they are still looking for a few good men.

Anytime you'd like to go, be my guest. And if you went already, go re-up if you believe so strongly. Doubt you will though. And if you reupped, you should stay for the full 20.

I guess its really cool to cheerlead from the sidelines. Bush did it.

Originally posted by IareEatBOAT

Let's put it this way, I'm trying to unite you Americans.

USA is at fault, USA is the cause of terrorism, USA is the cause of the global economic downfall, USA is at fault for producing SUPERB entertainment.

If you can agree on one of these points all becomes valid.

I saw this post yesterday and have been meaning to respond to it.  Because it is shear crap.  Tell me please how the US is the cause of terrorism.  Tell me how the US is the cause of economic downfall.  Unless you are a kook and believe 9-11 was an inside job, your accusation has no merit (and if you are a kook, it still has no merit, you just would not be able to understand that).

And as far economic downfall is concerned, apparently you are unaware that it is the United States that feeds the world because it is an agricultural powerhouse.  Apparently you are unaware that the United States is almost always the first country into a disaster stricken area, like the countries devastated by the 2004 tsunami, lending assistance.  About the most polite thing I can say about you is that you are nuts.

Well If you factor in the fact that the CIA and lots of other covert US government agencies have plotted to kill, overthrow, subvert, demonize and generally overthown many leaders from the Middle East since the 50s, yeah, its the U.S. fault terrorism exists.

There were no terrorists in the 50s who hated America. Where did they come from all of a sudden? Well, it wasnt all of a sudden. It was a slow build. We kept meddling over there, like putting Shah of Iran in power (while framing his successor), assisting Saddam to gain power (thx Rumsfeld!), trying to destablize Egypt over the canal, etc and the list goes on and on.

I just wish you 'patriots' would actually READ something something other than the Rush Limbaugh report. Please try and make an attempt to look up freely attainable documents of why the Middle East hates the US. You dont have to look very hard, its almost common knowledge anymore. Seriously, there is so little reading of plain government released material, its sad.

You people just listen to anything, and if they beat the drum twice as hard its that much more true.

Again, read up on your US/Middle Eastern history then come back here and type what youve been typing. I dare you.