This game has been around for the better part of 5 years now. Basically, what should be considered safe areas are indeed not safe. Eve Online is by far one of the worst gankfest games ever made, which can be fun or frustrating. It's fun for those who are established, financially stable and well equipped. It's frustrating for anyone who's just starting out since theres players who have nothing better to do than blow your ships up any way they can.

I like PvP, but this game promotes severe ganking of new players by veteran players who have worse potty mouths than the Barren Chat in WoW. Eve is a great game, atleast the concept is, but with no safety net for new players, it already hit its subscription cap years ago.

By all means, feel free to give it a try on a trial account, but the game is full of gankers, scammers and anything you can think of to basically ruin your day. Since Eve is all about high risk vs. reward, it's next to impossible to even get anywhere as a new player.

All I'm saying is, play at your own risk, but from a veteran MMO player and PvP fan, this game is ridiculous and don't say I didn't warn you.

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Originally posted by Rhoklaw
[crap]...this game requires effort and don't say I didn't warn you.

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Fixed for you.

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Rhoklaw
[crap]...this game requires effort and don't say I didn't warn you.

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Fixed for you.

No space in eve is safe, there is more secure space, where players are sometimes afraid on engaging or will get together to gank a high value target. My guess is since your claiming to be new, either

a) you were autopiloting in a hauler with 250mil+ worth of good in your hold and expected to live

or

b) you are a miner that tried to fight back and you lost.

Assuming either one of these situations are correct, get over it. Eve won't hold you hand.

Tip: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_put_all_your_eggs_in_one_basket

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Rhoklaw
[crap]...this game requires effort and don't say I didn't warn you.

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Fixed for you.

Basically. In fact I find this especially funny as since the faction wars started up, its more friendly to new players than ever before. 

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

This game has been around for the better part of 5 years now. Basically, what should be considered safe areas are indeed not safe. (translation: I got my ship blown up doing something wrong) Eve Online is by far one of the worst gankfest games ever made, (translation: Its a pvp game at its core, and for some reason players try to kill you)  which can be fun or frustrating. (translation: count me as one of the frustrated)  It's fun for those who are established, financially stable and well equipped. (translation: I couldn't figure out how to succeed in the gameplay mechanics)  It's frustrating for anyone who's just starting out (translation: you will have to put some effort into learning how to play) since theres players who have nothing better to do than blow your ships up any way they can. (translation: I failed to do my research on how to avoid being ganked)

I like PvP, (translation: as long as there's no risk) but this game promotes severe ganking of new players (translation: of all players) by veteran players (translation: by all players) who have worse potty mouths than the Barren Chat in WoW. (translation: I whined about being killed in local and they made fun of me)  Eve is a great game, atleast the concept is, (transalation: assuming you can understand how to play it)  but with no safety net for new players,(translation: easy mode)  it already hit its subscription cap years ago. (translation: which anyone can easily see by the steadily increasing subs that continues until today)

By all means, feel free to give it a try on a trial account, but the game is full of gankers, scammers and anything you can think of to basically ruin your day. (translation: they compete against you and to separate the fools from their money) Since Eve is all about high risk vs. reward, it's next to impossible to even get anywhere as a new player. (translation: I failed to get anywhere, so of course no one  else could possibly succeed)

All I'm saying is, play at your own risk, but from a veteran MMO player and PvP fan, (translation: who isn't very good at this sort of challenging MMO/PVP) this game is ridiculous (translation: challenging and rewarding) and don't say I didn't warn you. (translation: because of course, I can't possibly be wrong) 

Seriously due, who pissed in your cheerios this morning?  You can't figure out how to play EVE, so somehow you feel the need to come to these forums and 'warn' everyone about your failure?

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

This game has been around for the better part of 5 years now. Basically, what should be considered safe areas are indeed not safe. (translation: I got my ship blown up doing something wrong) Eve Online is by far one of the worst gankfest games ever made, (translation: Its a pvp game at its core, and for some reason players try to kill you)  which can be fun or frustrating. (translation: count me as one of the frustrated)  It's fun for those who are established, financially stable and well equipped. (translation: I couldn't figure out how to succeed in the gameplay mechanics)  It's frustrating for anyone who's just starting out (translation: you will have to put some effort into learning how to play) since theres players who have nothing better to do than blow your ships up any way they can. (translation: I failed to do my research on how to avoid being ganked)

I like PvP, (translation: as long as there's no risk) but this game promotes severe ganking of new players (translation: of all players) by veteran players (translation: by all players) who have worse potty mouths than the Barren Chat in WoW. (translation: I whined about being killed in local and they made fun of me)  Eve is a great game, atleast the concept is, (transalation: assuming you can understand how to play it)  but with no safety net for new players,(translation: easy mode)  it already hit its subscription cap years ago. (translation: which anyone can easily see by the steadily increasing subs that continues until today)

By all means, feel free to give it a try on a trial account, but the game is full of gankers, scammers and anything you can think of to basically ruin your day. (translation: they compete against you and to separate the fools from their money) Since Eve is all about high risk vs. reward, it's next to impossible to even get anywhere as a new player. (translation: I failed to get anywhere, so of course no one  else could possibly succeed)

All I'm saying is, play at your own risk, but from a veteran MMO player and PvP fan, (translation: who isn't very good at this sort of challenging MMO/PVP) this game is ridiculous (translation: challenging and rewarding) and don't say I didn't warn you. (translation: because of course, I can't possibly be wrong) 

Seriously due, who pissed in your cheerios this morning?  You can't figure out how to play EVE, so somehow you feel the need to come to these forums and 'warn' everyone about your failure?

 

 

Hay!

You forgot to add the killmail link http://rnd.evekb.co.uk/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=330574

Wait...That guy took out a megathron with a frigate? I may still be new, but I didn't think that was possible!

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Originally posted by Orphes
You forgot to add the killmail link

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I like this one better, mostly because it's a gank ship dying to a t1 frigate and a slightly better navy frigate..
Oh, and because it's me, a two year old player in a frigate. ;)
And also because it's the ultimate proof that knowledge about game mechanics, which you can simply learn with guides and playing around, is much more important than anything in eve.

Originally posted by batolemaeus

 

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Originally posted by Orphes
You forgot to add the killmail link

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I like this one better, mostly because it's a gank ship dying to a t1 frigate and a slightly better navy frigate..
Oh, and because it's me, a two year old player in a frigate. ;)
And also because it's the ultimate proof that knowledge about game mechanics, which you can simply learn with guides and playing around, is much more important than anything in eve.

That's impressive.

At least that guy had some knowledge about fitting a ship. I can compare the link I provided with myself. Not having a Megathron but fitting things like expanded cargohold and passive targeter on a mission running Catalysts, yes most ships I have lost was pretty silly equipped.  (I should have read the guides earlier :) )

But if the killmail is genuine, there actually is a guy fitting a battleship that way in a serious manner according his belief, I could guess it's a candidate for threads like this.

:D

Originally posted by Orphes

 

Hay!

You forgot to add the killmail link http://rnd.evekb.co.uk/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=330574

That mega had mining upgrades fitted but no mining lasers......EEEEEPPPIIIICCCCCC FFFFFAAAAIIIILLLL!!!!.

Well, atleast what I said about the Eve community being worse than WoW is correct simply by the amount and types of replies my thread recieved. Yes, I was mining and yes, it was some punk trying to bait me into attacking. However, if Eve is nothing more than people trying to frustrate new players than what did I say that was incorrect or inaccurate?

Anyways, Eve is still a gankfest of a game, regardless of what you elite veterans might add. Sure, in combat situations it can pan out differently, but those who travel down the mining road will always tell a different story.

I'm not saying Eve isn't fun, obviously as a veteran, it's easy to take advantage of new players. That is pretty much what Eve consists of, gankers, scammers and the like. I like PvP, but I don't think Eve is geared towards welcoming new players into their community, which is what my post points out.

So, get over yourselves, stop lying about what Eve is and let someone speak their mind about their experiences in the game.

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Well, atleast what I said about the Eve community being worse than WoW is correct simply by the amount and types of replies my thread recieved. Yes, I was mining and yes, it was some punk trying to bait me into attacking. However, if Eve is nothing more than people trying to frustrate new players than what did I say that was incorrect or inaccurate?

Anyways, Eve is still a gankfest of a game, regardless of what you elite veterans might add. Sure, in combat situations it can pan out differently, but those who travel down the mining road will always tell a different story.

I'm not saying Eve isn't fun, obviously as a veteran, it's easy to take advantage of new players. That is pretty much what Eve consists of, gankers, scammers and the like. I like PvP, but I don't think Eve is geared towards welcoming new players into their community, which is what my post points out.

So, get over yourselves, stop lying about what Eve is and let someone speak their mind about their experiences in the game.

EVE is about learning from your mistakes and not repeating them.  From the start, you should understand that you're -going- to die.  If you play it smart though, those deaths can become far and between, and sometimes non-existant.

People aren't insulting you.. they're telling you the cold hard truth about this game.  If you don't put real effort into playing it and understanding the way things work, then you're going to get killed, and join the already huge group of whiners who wouldn't give it a real shot.

It's not a ganking game.  It's a game that you simply have to be smart at playing.  If you know the guy was trying to bait you, then why'd you give in?  Why didn't you just pack up and go some place else?  Or better yet, work on some combat skills and set up a ship to counter those people so that next time it happens, you can go get your combat ship and come back and kill the guy.  Be prepared for everything and anything to happen in the game.  It's supposed to hurt when you die, or else it would just be another WoW, where you die and just respawn at a spirit healer with absolutely no loss.  Those same people who attack you in EVE, will eventually get theirs, either from you or from some other player who they tried it to and was more prepared than them.

Edit: And the thing about the mining experience is that yeah, in the start it's gonna be hard.  So find a corporation who focuses on mining, and help them out.  If you help them, they'll help you.  And quite often, they'll go out on mining ops where you'll not only have protection, but people to talk to that share an interest.

OP's whining about getting frustrated because he cant hack it in a game that doesnt hold your hand amuses me.  It makes me want to fire up the EVE account again.  Best example to go along with others in this thread is when i took out a faction fitted raven with a t1 cruiser (vexor with t2 drones).  Basically my 7m ship took out his 500mil ship purely because of player skill of flying and fitting

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

This game has been around for the better part of 5 years now. Basically, what should be considered safe areas are indeed not safe. Eve Online is by far one of the worst gankfest games ever made, which can be fun or frustrating. It's fun for those who are established, financially stable and well equipped. It's frustrating for anyone who's just starting out since theres players who have nothing better to do than blow your ships up any way they can.

I like PvP, but this game promotes severe ganking of new players by veteran players who have worse potty mouths than the Barren Chat in WoW. Eve is a great game, atleast the concept is, but with no safety net for new players, it already hit its subscription cap years ago.

By all means, feel free to give it a try on a trial account, but the game is full of gankers, scammers and anything you can think of to basically ruin your day. Since Eve is all about high risk vs. reward, it's next to impossible to even get anywhere as a new player.

All I'm saying is, play at your own risk, but from a veteran MMO player and PvP fan, this game is ridiculous and don't say I didn't warn you.

I'm sorry EVE takes slightly more braincells than WARhammer and doesn't follow the "I'm higher lvl/have better gear therefore i win" idea, it follows the "I'm smarter and therefore I win".  I can understand people from other MMO's having difficulty with that concept but there are indeed people who ARE capable of higher brain functions who do quite well, even at young age.

Bye now.

P.S. Bato's kill is funny but certainly not impossible or anything, all he had to do is keep that BS scrambled, not have the drones kill him and make sure the BS wasn't going to try and make it to the gate (if he stopped firing that is). Just smart use of game mechanics, that BS was NOT setup to be solo and certainly not to go against smaller targets.

Originally posted by Soraellion

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

This game has been around for the better part of 5 years now. Basically, what should be considered safe areas are indeed not safe. Eve Online is by far one of the worst gankfest games ever made, which can be fun or frustrating. It's fun for those who are established, financially stable and well equipped. It's frustrating for anyone who's just starting out since theres players who have nothing better to do than blow your ships up any way they can.

I like PvP, but this game promotes severe ganking of new players by veteran players who have worse potty mouths than the Barren Chat in WoW. Eve is a great game, atleast the concept is, but with no safety net for new players, it already hit its subscription cap years ago.

By all means, feel free to give it a try on a trial account, but the game is full of gankers, scammers and anything you can think of to basically ruin your day. Since Eve is all about high risk vs. reward, it's next to impossible to even get anywhere as a new player.

All I'm saying is, play at your own risk, but from a veteran MMO player and PvP fan, this game is ridiculous and don't say I didn't warn you.

 

I'm sorry EVE takes slightly more braincells than WARhammer and doesn't follow the "I'm higher lvl/have better gear therefore i win" idea, it follows the "I'm smarter and therefore I win".  I can understand people from other MMO's having difficulty with that concept but there are indeed people who ARE capable of higher brain functions who do quite well, even at young age.

Bye now.

 

P.S. Bato's kill is funny but certainly not impossible or anything, all he had to do is keep that BS scrambled, not have the drones kill him and make sure the BS wasn't going to try and make it to the gate (if he stopped firing that is). Just smart use of game mechanics, that BS was NOT setup to be solo and certainly not to go against smaller targets.

 

Thank you for proving the OP's point about the "potty mouth community". Doesn't make it tempting to try EVE, if this is the sort of community that awaits.

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Well, atleast what I said about the Eve community being worse than WoW is correct simply by the amount and types of replies my thread recieved. Yes, I was mining and yes, it was some punk trying to bait me into attacking. However, if Eve is nothing more than people trying to frustrate new players than what did I say that was incorrect or inaccurate?

Anyways, Eve is still a gankfest of a game, regardless of what you elite veterans might add. Sure, in combat situations it can pan out differently, but those who travel down the mining road will always tell a different story.

I'm not saying Eve isn't fun, obviously as a veteran, it's easy to take advantage of new players. That is pretty much what Eve consists of, gankers, scammers and the like. I like PvP, but I don't think Eve is geared towards welcoming new players into their community, which is what my post points out.

So, get over yourselves, stop lying about what Eve is and let someone speak their mind about their experiences in the game.

Eve's new player experience is like boot camp - it's not designed to welcome people into the fold, it's designed to weed people people out who can't handle it.  Eve is pvp all the time - even just mining in a belt you're in competition with other people, and pirates will look to make a quick buck on your inexperience.

The flip side is that good miners can go on to become industry tycoons and some of the wealthiest players in the game.  And their money doesn't come out of the ether - it comes from other players.  Again, pvp.  But those people will be looking to.. uh.. lighten their loads a bit during transit.

It is simply not possible to play Eve with a solo mindset.  Even if you ARE solo other people will come screw with you.  That's just how it is, and like I said a moment ago, it's something you get introduced too very early and you either ragequit over it or accept it for what it is and learn to use it to your advantage.

I mined for my first year or so in Eve.  I only had one loss during that entire period but it was a nut-kicker for sure.  But I accepted the fact that it was my own damn fault (I looted a wreck that wasn't mine because I wasn't paying attention) and went on.

I never got straight-up ganked because I always tanked my mining ships.  I don't have to be gank-proof, I just have to be a harder target than the random guy next to me.

I never lost a shootout with a canflipper because I always kept a pvp-fit frig in the system with me, and I would switch into it if I got flipped, THEN I would shoot him.

But if I thought it was getting crowded in my favorite mining systems, I'd take said pvp frig out and harass the other miners until they left.  Or dec them - even against a one-man corp most highsec corps still won't fight, and would simply leave in return for dropping the dec.

As for the community, there really isn't a cohesive community like you see in other MMOs, mostly because the nature of the game makes it hazardous to associate with people not in your corp / alliance / militia / whatever.  If you choose to go with a bunch of happy-go-lucky, slightly suicidal, beer-swilling pirates, you can imagine what your community will be like.  If that's your thing though it'll be awesome.  If you join up instead with an RP-oriented, militaristic militia corporation, your community will be totally different.  As it will be if you join a huge 0.0 alliance that controls a lot of space, or a quiet highsec mining corp.  It all depends.  The forums are terrible of course but I have yet to see a game with anything resembling popularity who's official forums *aren't* a cesspool, and as long as you stay off General and CAOD it's still not that bad.

Man this post is ridiculous I started out in EVE with many of my real life friends and none of us have died in high sec even while wardecced

Just sounds like too me you fell for some kinda prank and got your cards pulled by a pro. It should be super easy to avoid getting ganked in high sec. Hell, if I can get by safely in 0.0 in a defenseless hauler surely you can live long in high sec

Not sure why you trying to accuse all of us for lying what you're posting is just unreal. You musta made a bad mistake and opened fire first

You just gots bad luck yo. Lick your wounds and move on; EVE is not the game for you

Im a week into the 14 day trial & have read as many reviews of the game as possible. I spent most of my time understanding the game mechanics & talking with helpful folk in the rookie channel.

I've been in lower sec space (.4 is lowest i've gone) & I usually catch a dead ship. Guess im lucky but i've yet to be attacked by another player. I've lost my frigate (tristan) several times doing hard federation navy missions. I just didnt know how to properly outfit it, not even a medium or low slot was occupied. But hey, it wasn't long before I purchased a catalyst.

Now that i have a basic understanding of the game mechanics I'll be fine. Heck in 2 days away from a Rupture. So what im trying to say is, if your smart enough to figure the game out & make logical decisions about where you go & what you do when your there, the game really isn't difficult. For those with an aggresive attitude or no patience, well good luck & good bye most probably.

My only annoyance with the game is the time it takes to learn level 4 & 5 skills. Especially when you need like 3 or 4 different ones as a pre-requisite for something else. I've had the weapons, ship & a few spare ISK long before I could step foot in it.

Good game, just dont make it your "life" like WoW or Lineage 2 or any of those "xp grind games". You will be annoyed fast. Train a skill, go to bed, work whatever.

[quote][i]Originally posted by Rhoklaw[/i] ... Basically, what should be considered safe areas are indeed not safe. Just as in real life: you could be mugged everywhere. It's just more likely to happen when you are "alone" in a dark alley than it is when you are with friends on a crowded place with a police station nearby. Eve Online is by far one of the worst gankfest games ever made, players have the freedom to be bad on purpose but there are penalties (player killers can't enter secure space when their status has dropped below a certain mark) which can be fun or frustrating. It's fun for those who are established, financially stable and well equipped. It's frustrating for anyone who's just starting out since theres players who have nothing better to do than blow your ships up any way they can. You can easily avoid being attacked in high-sec ... except for suicide ganks which are not common and aim only ships which carry cargo more valuable then the ships it takes to get to that cargo.  I like PvP, but this game promotes severe ganking of new players by veteran players who have worse potty mouths than the Barren Chat in WoW. When I started, me and my corpmates would actually wait on low-sec gates to attack "veteran" pirates with low security status. That way we wouldn't be branded as criminals by police and could try to get our "revenge".   Eve is a great game, atleast the concept is, but with no safety net for new players, There actually is no safety net for NOBODY. Forget to update your clone after you got podded and get podded again: I assure you that day I will cry and cancel my account. it already hit its subscription cap years ago. No comment  By all means, feel free to give it a try on a trial account, but the game is full of gankers, scammers and anything you can think of to basically ruin your day. There are nice and helpful people ... just doing other people's homework can get boring. To many people abort the tutorial or can't be bothered with reading the many tutorials from various places on the web. Since Eve is all about high risk vs. reward, it's next to impossible to even get anywhere as a new player. That is the place where teamwork helps a lot. I have shared the rewards from level 4 missions with people who could hardly survive a level 3 on their own. On the other hand I work with pilots tanking the damage so I don't have to.  All I'm saying is, play at your own risk, but from a veteran MMO player and PvP fan, this game is ridiculous and don't say I didn't warn you. [/quote] 

Basically if you're smart enough to:

- not give your account data to that person sending you a mail in the game pretending they are GMs .

- not believe the guy who wants you to send him money so he can send you double the amount back.

- not attack a ship which targets you in high security without being a valid target. (That pilot wants you to be killed by the local police, so he can grab your stuff without fighting himself)

- suppress any feelings of anger and revenge. You will most likely end up doing a fatal mistake.

- learn from your mistakes as much as from mistakes other people do.

... you should consider the trial.

But yes, even your most trusted friend could backstab you and run away with all your money. In Eve trust is a very precious commodity - chose wisely. But don't fall prey to paranoia either ... it's a game after all.

Ok, apparently you guys don't have a clue how Eve Online operates. You can't jump in a battleship when your only 1 million skill points into the game and expect to outgun someone who's been in for 2 years. As much as Eve players like to spit out that skill points don't determine the outcome of a battle are extremely misleading.

Skill Points = Better Ships, Better Equipment and that means easier for them to kill someone.

Also, the more you indulge me with your negativity about my skills, the more you prove to everyone that reads this just how friggin kiddy the Eve community is. I don't care if you believe what Im saying, cause this post is for new players to not purchase Eve, but rather give the trial account a shot if they really must know.

I never said Eve was a bad game, but the community is beyond annoying. I quit playing Eve a year ago and the same person that was stealing my ore than is actually stealing my ore again now. So what if I lost a ship, I could care less, but the fact he constantly annoys the hell outta me makes me wonder what the purpose of Eve is.

Oh joy, let's frustrate new players for years and years. This guys doesn't just do it once in a while, he actually does nothing but frustrate new players. Yes, this game IS a gankfest, it IS full of scammers and CCP can't define their own game rules when it comes to cheaters.

Sorry, I'm not about to backdown because 10 people who play Eve want to call me a punk who can't handle his pudding. Eve is not friendly to new players and thats the point of my post and thats why I titled it the way I did.

Anyways, feel free to continue your badgering cause I really don't care what any of you think. I'm telling it like it is and your arguing from the other side of the table 2 billion skill points into the game.

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Skill Points = Better Ships, Better Equipment and that means easier for them to kill someone.

Ah, I think we found the problem!

Personally, I'm about a week from going over 15 million SPs (12 million of which are in mining-related skills) and I can't fly a battleship at all - don't have 'em trained.  I can sort of fly Gallente cruisers and BCs but in pvp I fly nothing but frigs.  Shockingly, I do just fine.

People here aren't shooting you down because we have some kind of grudge against you or want more people to lolgank.  We're shooting you down because you're spouting ignorance.  Do us all a favor and let it die - you don't like Eve, that's fine - most people don't, but please don't come in here and tell people incorrect information.  You have your opinion, I respect that, but the things you are presenting as facts are completely wrong and people who know better tend to feel compelled to continue to point it out since they don't want people to form an impression of Eve based on faulty data.

Originally posted by Netspook

Originally posted by Soraellion

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

This game has been around for the better part of 5 years now. Basically, what should be considered safe areas are indeed not safe. Eve Online is by far one of the worst gankfest games ever made, which can be fun or frustrating. It's fun for those who are established, financially stable and well equipped. It's frustrating for anyone who's just starting out since theres players who have nothing better to do than blow your ships up any way they can.

I like PvP, but this game promotes severe ganking of new players by veteran players who have worse potty mouths than the Barren Chat in WoW. Eve is a great game, atleast the concept is, but with no safety net for new players, it already hit its subscription cap years ago.

By all means, feel free to give it a try on a trial account, but the game is full of gankers, scammers and anything you can think of to basically ruin your day. Since Eve is all about high risk vs. reward, it's next to impossible to even get anywhere as a new player.

All I'm saying is, play at your own risk, but from a veteran MMO player and PvP fan, this game is ridiculous and don't say I didn't warn you.

 

I'm sorry EVE takes slightly more braincells than WARhammer and doesn't follow the "I'm higher lvl/have better gear therefore i win" idea, it follows the "I'm smarter and therefore I win".  I can understand people from other MMO's having difficulty with that concept but there are indeed people who ARE capable of higher brain functions who do quite well, even at young age.

Bye now.

 

P.S. Bato's kill is funny but certainly not impossible or anything, all he had to do is keep that BS scrambled, not have the drones kill him and make sure the BS wasn't going to try and make it to the gate (if he stopped firing that is). Just smart use of game mechanics, that BS was NOT setup to be solo and certainly not to go against smaller targets.

 

Thank you for proving the OP's point about the "potty mouth community". Doesn't make it tempting to try EVE, if this is the sort of community that awaits.

I don't see a reason to reply in a constructive manner to a post that's deliberately unconstructive, full of whine and 'facts' that aren't facts.

He is whining about the "ooh I can't compete" and "why do people intefere with me while i play this game solo and the wrong way". MMO's are about interaction, or at least they should be. In EVE you can be forced to have to interact with others, that's the whole point. If he takes passive/victim stance while whining left and right then that's his choice, he COULD do something about it but instead he chooses to whine.

Is EVE a harsh game? yes it is, it's unforgiving, you can be beaten down and lose all your assets and whatnot. Is it a game for everybody? no, it's not. Not everyone wants to take things this far. Can younger players compete? YES THEY CAN, all it takes is NOT be passive, seriously.

I (and the EVE community) have no problems with people who state "well, gave it a try but I just don't like it and I don't like the grittyness/harshness of it", that's cool. But drama queens who state false facts while pointing fingers at others for their passive approach to the game... err no, we don't take kindly to that.

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Ok, apparently you guys don't have a clue how Eve Online operates. You can't jump in a battleship when your only 1 million skill points into the game and expect to outgun someone who's been in for 2 years. As much as Eve players like to spit out that skill points don't determine the outcome of a battle are extremely misleading.

You're right in that it helps and does make a difference, but it's not neccesarily so. A young 2 week old player can easily win from a 3 year old player if the scenario favours the younger one. So the point of EVE is to make sure that the scenario DOES favour you, this has nothing to do with SP. That BS kill that Bato posted, a 1 week old player in a frigate could have done that. Regardless if the BS pilot was 5 years old.

That situtation combined with that BS setup means a lowly frigate will win the fight, each and every time.

 

Skill Points = Better Ships, Better Equipment and that means easier for them to kill someone.

Correct, EASIER. Do you whine in WOW like "waah, lvl 70's in T6 gear can kill my lvl 3 rogue!". No you don't, because it's obvious. But somehow in EVE do you DO and the thing is; it's not at all true in EVE.

Also, the more you indulge me with your negativity about my skills, the more you prove to everyone that reads this just how friggin kiddy the Eve community is. I don't care if you believe what Im saying, cause this post is for new players to not purchase Eve, but rather give the trial account a shot if they really must know.

As I stated earlier, we don't react well to drama whiners.

I never said Eve was a bad game, but the community is beyond annoying. I quit playing Eve a year ago and the same person that was stealing my ore than is actually stealing my ore again now. So what if I lost a ship, I could care less, but the fact he constantly annoys the hell outta me makes me wonder what the purpose of Eve is.

The purpose of EVE is to interact with others, in every which way you want. Ofcourse it's full of people who have fun killing others, 99% of the online games is based on that fact. Your point?There's tons of ways to prevent that from happening but it seems you can't be bothered to put in the effort for that. That's a CHOICE, your choice.

Oh joy, let's frustrate new players for years and years. This guys doesn't just do it once in a while, he actually does nothing but frustrate new players. Yes, this game IS a gankfest, it IS full of scammers and CCP can't define their own game rules when it comes to cheaters.

Ofcourse it's a gankfest, it's a PVP game. Yes it has tons of scammers and while I don't like it personally it is allowed and therefore not cheating. People who kill or scam you can only do so if you let them.

Sorry, I'm not about to backdown because 10 people who play Eve want to call me a punk who can't handle his pudding. Eve is not friendly to new players and thats the point of my post and thats why I titled it the way I did.

Correct on the fact that it's not new player friendly, it's harsh and the learning curve is beyond steep. Had you made a post where you stated those facts then you'd have had different answers, instead you went the drama way and thus you get to enjoy people calling you on that.

Anyways, feel free to continue your badgering cause I really don't care what any of you think. I'm telling it like it is and your arguing from the other side of the table 2 billion skill points into the game.

You still don't get it, but that's not a crime in itself.

It sucks and is highly frustrating running into the folks in Eve that have to experience this early on. 

Yes - there are plenty of folks in Eve that are solely there to gank/grief noobs and they enjoy doing it.  They fail at being able to compete against other non-noobs and due to their tiny ego's and the fact that they suck makes them angry and they vent via destroying a noob cause that means they are now UBAR!!! /fail

Yes - like EVERY other MMO there are assholes in Eve.  There are immature fools that smack talk.  Etc etc, but, this is not a unique quality to Eve, it's a unique quality to the Internet.  Sounds like you've had the unfortunate bit of running into alot of them - akin to spending all of your time in the Barrens General Chat...

Yes - You will get taken advantage of/killed/ripped off/cheated/scammed/etc etc in Eve.  It's going to happen.  They don't hold your hand and, like life, bad things can and do happen.

Yes - MMORPG.com is chocked full of Eve Fanbois that flip out at the first sign of anyone talking down about their game.  This, again, is not a unique quality to Eve - head to any other forums and talk down about the game being discussed there and you will run into similar folks.  In defense of the fanbois here I will point out that more often than not people, knowing the seriousness of the fanbois here, come in here and make up bald - flat out lies about Eve with the sole purpose of getting the fanboi's panties in a wad - and boy... it works big time.  The fanbois in this section are used to it but they still get a lil too jumpy sometimes.  I don't think that means you can judge the entire Eve community based on that though.  With over 250K active accounts I doubt you've (any of us) have experienced enough of the community to make blanket statements about them all.

I've been playing for 2 years now and, fortunately, i've had a different experience than you.  The folks I have met and know in Eve are great people.  They don't can bait noobs.  They don't talk smack.  They help each-other out.  I've got a little bit of experience in MMO's and I think that I can safely say that, community wise, Eve is no better or worse than any of the other games you see listed below.  All communities on the internet have their crazies and Eve is no different.  I hope you come back to Eve sometime after this chain of events is behind you.  There are good people in this game and the game itself is made of win (imo).

GL HF!   o7

Eve is fine, after your third ship loss you should have learned about the most dangerous mistakes and there after, won't be dying any time soon.

Personally stay in a small but very good cruiser for a very very long time, or frigate if you want to, don't go for the big ships without the needed abilities to survive properly.

I always flew around in my "pvp" settings on and ratting in my BC, it worked fine and never lost it... well yet at least.

Eve is just a lil too boring at times, i hope there will come a space mmo around which is faster paced and more "merciful", when you lose your ship, even if you got all the isk needed to upgraded a whole new ship that might even be better than the one you lost, the "desire to play" is always missing, it is both as real it can get and at the same time be as annoying long to you get to the point of "mark my words!!! i will return!!!".

Playing Eve is like watchying your favourite show having so many mid season breaks that you are about to pull out your own hair.

If Eve's combat gameplay was more interesting, a little freelancer a like would be quite nice!