Boggles me how people say there won't be a market for a full-loot open pvp game, when there's nothing else like this out on the market.   175k registered users on darkfallonline.com supports the fact that people want/need this game.  the market's saturated with a stale product, and darkfall's been clever enough to mix some older recipies into a great new concoction that the people are starving for.

edit:  something to think about:  how many people actually register on the forums of a game before they play/download it either?

I can't imagine anyone thinking there's no market for such a game.  That's silly.  I, personally, don't fall into that target market, but that doesn't mean a good many people don't.

I'm registered on Darkfall's site, BUT......I haven't gone there in a long time, and I don't intend to download, try, OR purchase the game now, and I'm sure I'm not alone.  What soured ME on the idea of the game were the seeming trillions of posts here at MMORPG.com from people who profess immense love and excitement for the game, and seem to be bitter, angry, hateful, and pretty immature.  Now...you wouldn't want OR expect a "carebear community" in a game with the gameplay dynamics that Darkfall will supposedly have, HOWEVER....this is the community that you will be playing with every single day.  Thanks, but no thanks.  I deal with a**holes every day in REAL life.  I'm not interested in "hanging out" with such an overwhelming number of them during my evening hours.

I'm hoping, for the game's sake, that there WILL be some mature, competitive, hardcore players for their player base, that don't use the anonymous component of the internet as a way to get back at Mommy and Daddy for all of their perceived abuses.  I have seen a few posts by adults that have very stressful jobs by day (I can indeed understand that), and simply love the vicious PvP "hunt" as a stress release valve by night.  THOSE people didn't seem to be hateful or immature, just gamers that enjoy some good vicious competition as a way to relieve stress.

All of that being said, I still hope that Darkfall is HUGELY successful, because there should be games that fit EVERYONE'S personalities, and I think that the PvP FFA style of play suits a certain market of gamers that should NOT be ignored.  I'm a gamer, and every GOOD game that is released, regardless of the market segment it caters to, is good for ALL of us in the long run.

Unlike many posters on this site, I don't believe that Darkfall is "vaporware" and never have.  Several recently released games have proven, quite effectively, that it often takes a lot longer than just three short  years to release a high quality game.  It doesn't surprise me, with all that Darkfall intends to DO.....that is has and is, taking a long time.

I hope the game ends up being amazing and everything you've all hoped for.  THAT will truly be an exciting thing to behold!

EDIT:  Before someone comments, "If you're not planning on playing the game....why do you 'hang out' on it's boards?"  Posts about Darkfall often end up on the scrolling posts on the front page of this site.  Any post that is of an interesting topic, to me, I will read and possibly post to.  I don't go around searching for the specific forums.  But this is a good topic.  I too, am interested in why people think there's no MARKET for such a game.  I think that's just ludicrous.

Originally posted by girlgeek

 

....I'm registered on Darkfall's site, BUT......I haven't gone there in a long time, and I don't intend to download, try, OR purchase the game now, and I'm sure I'm not alone.  What soured ME on the idea of the game were the seeming trillions of posts here at MMORPG.com from people who profess immense love and excitement for the game, and seem to be bitter, angry, hateful, and pretty immature.  Now...you wouldn't want OR expect a "carebear community" in a game with the gameplay dynamics that Darkfall will supposedly have, HOWEVER....this is the community that you will be playing with every single day.  Thanks, but no thanks.  I deal with a**holes every day in REAL life.  I'm not interested in "hanging out" with such an overwhelming number of them during my evening hours.....

 

please don't let this site ruin what could be a very fun game for you.  there's too much uncontrolled angst on this site from people with nothing better to do than channel all their life's frustrations thru mulit-sentence forum replies.

i'm sure this game will garner it's share of mature people...  guild owned cities, factions, and gear loss/decay/damage will also be huge factors in increased community cohesion.

and, one more time, please don't let this site or the people on it have enough power to actually govern your decision making on a game... be fair and give the game a chance to do it for itself.

Originally posted by girlgeek

I'm hoping, for the game's sake, that there WILL be some mature, competitive, hardcore players for their player base, that don't use the anonymous component of the internet as a way to get back at Mommy and Daddy for all of their perceived abuses.  I have seen a few posts by adults that have very stressful jobs by day (I can indeed understand that), and simply love the vicious PvP "hunt" as a stress release valve by night.  THOSE people didn't seem to be hateful or immature, just gamers that enjoy some good vicious competition as a way to relieve stress.

I run a longstanding multiplatform gaming clan, and yes, this is also one of my primary concerns. But keep in mind that the forum community only represents a small portion of those who actually play the game, and it is typical that the forum communities be more outspoken, or flat-out blabbermouths.

Take MMORPG.com for example. If the regular posters were an accurate representation the playerbase of MMORPG games, there would be serious trouble.

Originally posted by girlgeek   ...

What soured ME on the idea of the game were the seeming trillions of posts here at MMORPG.com from people who profess immense love and excitement for the game, and seem to be bitter, angry, hateful, and pretty immature.  Now...you wouldn't want OR expect a "carebear community" in a game with the gameplay dynamics that Darkfall will supposedly have, HOWEVER....this is the community that you will be playing with every single day.  Thanks, but no thanks.  I deal with a**holes every day in REAL life.  I'm not interested in "hanging out" with such an overwhelming number of them during my evening hours...

I suggest you stop reading this sites forums if that's one of your deciding factors in whether or not you will play a game. Every game has people in it that are poopy and the best thing you can do is avoid those types and find a guild with a similar attitude as yours.

I am also the same way though... if I see an interesting topic I will post under it no matter what forum it is in.

As for answering the OP I don't think looking at a sites registered users is an accurate way to judge how popular a game with be. At some point a portion will see something they don't like and will stop visiting it. Example being... I signed up with them a very long time ago and whenever I found out about a few undesirable things I stopped visiting. This game may never be big, but it is unique and will definitely have it's own niche just like every other game out there.

according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niche_market

"Niche markets may be ignored or discounted by large businesses due to what they consider to be small potential; this in turn is part of the process that makes the niche market available to smaller businesses."

In this case, the niche that Darkfall's filling is the ruleset and features ignored and discounted by large business due to what they consider to be small potential.

"The key to capitalizing on a niche market is to find or develop a market niche that has customers who are accessible, that is growing fast enough, and that is not owned by one established vendor already."

Growing fast enough is the interesting phrase here.  The growing customer base of Darkfall's niche market are the customers of the mass market, who've gotten tired of the same old thing over and over.   As this trend continues, we may eventually see the 'niche' market erode the mass market, perhaps even becoming the mass market itself.

Originally posted by bongloads

 

please don't let this site ruin what could be a very fun game for you.  there's too much uncontrolled angst on this site from people with nothing better to do than channel all their life's frustrations thru mulit-sentence forum replies.

i'm sure this game will garner it's share of mature people...  guild owned cities, factions, and gear loss/decay/damage will also be huge factors in increased community cohesion.

 

and, one more time, please don't let this site or the people on it have enough power to actually govern your decision making on a game... be fair and give the game a chance to do it for itself.

You know, what YOU describe here DOES appeal to me.  I love the community aspect of banding together to fight opposing forces and I'm a crafter, as well, and really enjoy being a part of keeping my guild well cared for and battle-ready, so....all of that does draw me into the "rpg" nature within games.  (No, I'm not necessarily a "roleplayer" in the traditional sense, but I do like to be immersed in the game world and my "job" in the community advancement.)

All of the posts that followed mine actually made VERY good points.  I think you guys/gals are right....I should probably be fair to the game itself and hold off on making a determination about playing it until I can actually experience it for myself.

Hmm.  Thanks for the good counsel, you guys! :)

Runscape anyone? Runescape is a full-loot (maybe not full loot but you drop like 90% of the item you are carrying when you die...) game and people don't play that do they? noo... (sarcasm) there is a game for everyone out there...

people who are worried about what the nay sayers are spewing are wasting their own time. We know there is a market, we know people are willing to try it and learn the game style, it's fact. Just nothing these days is modern enough to get people attention.

I never played UO before trammel or whatever, i played it on a free shard though and it took time to learn, I lost a lot of reagents and items but I learned and improved. I eventually got good enough to pvp with my 2 buddies who are good at the game and we kicked some ass, it's fun but I've been told what I play isn't a fractiuon of what the game was.

I am so excited to finally play Darkfall though it's unreal, I've been watching this game since pre-cu SWG, it's been so many years, so like i said... fuck the nay sayers, we're finally getting our game :P

There is a market for this game..

But I don't believe it's a MILLION man market.  The game has the tried and true swords and sorcery.. the only thing that's different is.. a skill system?? and full loot PvP .. which doesn't have a mass appeal (UO peaked when it didn't have full loot)..

But.. Hey.. I guess we'll have to wait and see..

If the game's content interests you, that should be it.  The development cycle is what should concern you about this game, not the few idiot religous-DF-cultists who post on this forum all of the time.  We are going to see very quickly if this game is real or not.

I hope it is.  Cuz anything good coming out in terms of MMO's is a long way out.....

Originally posted by girlgeek

What soured ME on the idea of the game were the seeming trillions of posts here at MMORPG.com from people who profess immense love and excitement for the game, and seem to be bitter, angry, hateful, and pretty immature.  Now...you wouldn't want OR expect a "carebear community" in a game with the gameplay dynamics that Darkfall will supposedly have, HOWEVER....this is the community that you will be playing with every single day.  Thanks, but no thanks.  I deal with a**holes every day in REAL life.  I'm not interested in "hanging out" with such an overwhelming number of them during my evening hours.

Hmm I'd never actually thought of that. Strangely, I can deal with communities that are percieved to be immature (WoW as some would have you believe) as generally they mean no harm other than being a bit annoying.

What I really can't stand are the self-righteous, condescending types with a major superiority complex. Every game has them, but from what I've seen on these boards, DF seems to have a disproportionately large amount. I hope this doesn't reflect in the in-game community.

Originally posted by girlgeek

 What soured ME on the idea of the game were the seeming trillions of posts here at MMORPG.com from people who profess immense love and excitement for the game, and seem to be bitter, angry, hateful, and pretty immature.  Now...you wouldn't want OR expect a "carebear community" in a game with the gameplay dynamics that Darkfall will supposedly have, HOWEVER....this is the community that you will be playing with every single day.  Thanks, but no thanks.  I deal with a**holes every day in REAL life.  I'm not interested in "hanging out" with such an overwhelming number of them during my evening hours.

You proven a point ..the DFO community stayed mostly away from these board because of what you describe. The MMORPG.com boards are mostly recruited from anti-DFO-hater crowd...It was 70% haters 2 months ago..

If MMORPG.com DFO board visitors  gives you a impression of being "biiter, angry, hateful and pretty immature"..you may have a point and you know who to blame..The Community is at official boards..

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by girlgeek

 What soured ME on the idea of the game were the seeming trillions of posts here at MMORPG.com from people who profess immense love and excitement for the game, and seem to be bitter, angry, hateful, and pretty immature.  Now...you wouldn't want OR expect a "carebear community" in a game with the gameplay dynamics that Darkfall will supposedly have, HOWEVER....this is the community that you will be playing with every single day.  Thanks, but no thanks.  I deal with a**holes every day in REAL life.  I'm not interested in "hanging out" with such an overwhelming number of them during my evening hours.

You proven a point ..the DFO community stayed mostly away from these board because of what you describe. The MMORPG.com boards are mostly recruited from anti-DFO-hater crowd...It was 70% haters 2 months ago..

If MMORPG.com community  gives you a impression of being "biiter, angry, hateful and pretty immature"..you may have a point and you know who to blame..

 

QFT

Originally posted by bongloads

Boggles me how people say there won't be a market for a full-loot open pvp game, when there's nothing else like this out on the market.  

Ok, well first off... epic fail right off the bat. There are full-loot open PvP games and always have been. In fact, that's how MMO's started off... they concept got largely abandoned early on to broaden the appeal.

Note: I'm not arguing that there is no market for full-loot open PvP, I'm just saying get your fact strieght and at least realize that the reason you don't see a lot of it isn't because it's a magical idea noone ever thought of before.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by girlgeek

 What soured ME on the idea of the game were the seeming trillions of posts here at MMORPG.com from people who profess immense love and excitement for the game, and seem to be bitter, angry, hateful, and pretty immature.  Now...you wouldn't want OR expect a "carebear community" in a game with the gameplay dynamics that Darkfall will supposedly have, HOWEVER....this is the community that you will be playing with every single day.  Thanks, but no thanks.  I deal with a**holes every day in REAL life.  I'm not interested in "hanging out" with such an overwhelming number of them during my evening hours.

You proven a point ..the DFO community stayed mostly away from these board because of what you describe. The MMORPG.com boards are mostly recruited from anti-DFO-hater crowd...It was 70% haters 2 months ago..

If MMORPG.com DFO board visitors  gives you a impression of being "biiter, angry, hateful and pretty immature"..you may have a point and you know who to blame..The Community is at official boards..

 

And of course there are TWO types of gamers in world:

A) The type who believe without needed to have actually played it that Darkfall is the single greatest, most innovative, absolutely best MMO that ever has or ever will be developped, and who regret not living in Greece as it prevents them from offering sexual favors to the development team

B) Haters and Trolls

Rightfully skeptical, yet cautiously optimistic types? Yeah, they don't exist.

...THAT is my problem with the Darkfall community, and THAT is why no meaningful discussion can take place where Darkfall is concerned

...and considering no matter how good Darkfall is it WON'T be the game YOU MADE UP IN YOUR HEAD, and because if the forum comminity is any indication Darkfall will have the WORST COMMUNITY EVER, THAT is why Darkfall is destined to fail.

Congratualtions.

Originally posted by NotNiceDino

Originally posted by bongloads

Boggles me how people say there won't be a market for a full-loot open pvp game, when there's nothing else like this out on the market.  

 

Ok, well first off... epic fail right off the bat. There are full-loot open PvP games and always have been. In fact, that's how MMO's started off... they concept got largely abandoned early on to broaden the appeal.

Note: I'm not arguing that there is no market for full-loot open PvP, I'm just saying get your fact strieght and at least realize that the reason you don't see a lot of it isn't because it's a magical idea noone ever thought of before.

omg teheeheee i know "epic" right....so "epic"
 

Oh while you are here...can you please give support to your argument?  Can you point me to a current gen mmo with all of the following:

• Current generation Graphics (and dont bring up your opinion on DF graphics, they are current gen)
• Fantasy Genre
• Full loot FFA pvp
• FPS combat

just curious cause silly me im just so full of "epic" fail that i cant think of any right now on the market.

(edited for bullets imo)

Originally posted by NotNiceDino

Originally posted by bongloads

Boggles me how people say there won't be a market for a full-loot open pvp game, when there's nothing else like this out on the market.  

 

Ok, well first off... epic fail right off the bat. There are full-loot open PvP games and always have been. In fact, that's how MMO's started off... they concept got largely abandoned early on to broaden the appeal.

Note: I'm not arguing that there is no market for full-loot open PvP, I'm just saying get your fact strieght and at least realize that the reason you don't see a lot of it isn't because it's a magical idea noone ever thought of before.

Agreed.

Just off the top of my head I can think of TWO PvP FFA games....Tibia, for one (it's not 3D, however), and to a certain degree Ultima Online (although you can insure your armor, other items you have on you, or UNinsured armor and weapons, can be looted upon your death).

I think there is a definite market for PvP FFA, but...I do believe it's a niche market.   But then again, I'm ALL FOR new and better games, regardless of their genre or style.  The more options we have as gamers as to what we are able to play....the better.

Originally posted by originalegg

 

Oh while you are here...can you please give support to your argument?  Can you point me to a current gen mmo with current gen graphics in the fantasy genre with full loot ffa pvp and fps combat?

That was't my arguement. My arguement was that there have always been Fantasy MMORPGs with full looting and open PvP, I never said a damned thing about "current gen graphics" and "current gen graphics" has absolutely nothing to do with open pvp and full looting... two entirely separate subjects.

Therefore your witty retort essentially amounts to , "because %^& you that's why!"

Originally posted by bongloads

There's nothing else like this out on the market.  

Here is what you were responding to.  Since you decided to act like a kid and use a phrase like "epic fail", i am simply pointing out that you are wrong, or should be more clear.

Fact is, if DF delivers on its feature list, there really isnt anything like it on the market

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by bongloads

There's nothing else like this out on the market.  

 

Here is what you were responding to.  Since you decided to act like a kid and use a phrase like "epic fail", i am simply pointing out that you are wrong, or should be more clear.

Fact is, if DF delivers on its feature list, there really isnt anything like it on the market

Um... no that ISN'T what I was responding... I was responding to SPECIFICALLY what I quoted, in order to indicate SPECIFICALLY that I was responding to it.

I NEVER argued that DF will not, if it delivers on it's COMPLETE feature list, offer an OVERALL expirience unlike anything else on the market. Your just being silly.

THIS AGAIN is why thanks to the >>FANS<< no intelligent conversation can take place about Darkfall.

Originally posted by NotNiceDino

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by bongloads

There's nothing else like this out on the market.  

 

Here is what you were responding to.  Since you decided to act like a kid and use a phrase like "epic fail", i am simply pointing out that you are wrong, or should be more clear.

Fact is, if DF delivers on its feature list, there really isnt anything like it on the market

 

Um... no that ISN'T what I was responding... I was responding to SPECIFICALLY what I quoted, in order to indicate SPECIFICALLY that I was responding to it.

I NEVER argued that DF will not, if it delivers on it's COMPLETE feature list, offer an OVERALL expirience unlike anything else on the market. Your just being silly.

THIS AGAIN is why thanks to the >>FANS<< no intelligent conversation can take place about Darkfall.

/facepalm

and yea its was the fans that turned this forum into what it is today...right...

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by NotNiceDino

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by bongloads

There's nothing else like this out on the market.  

 

Here is what you were responding to.  Since you decided to act like a kid and use a phrase like "epic fail", i am simply pointing out that you are wrong, or should be more clear.

Fact is, if DF delivers on its feature list, there really isnt anything like it on the market

 

Um... no that ISN'T what I was responding... I was responding to SPECIFICALLY what I quoted, in order to indicate SPECIFICALLY that I was responding to it.

I NEVER argued that DF will not, if it delivers on it's COMPLETE feature list, offer an OVERALL expirience unlike anything else on the market. Your just being silly.

THIS AGAIN is why thanks to the >>FANS<< no intelligent conversation can take place about Darkfall.

 

/facepalm

and yea its was the fans that turned this forum into what it is today...right...

Yes. Exactly. I think I've proven my point here. Thanks.

Originally posted by NotNiceDino

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by NotNiceDino

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by bongloads

There's nothing else like this out on the market.  

 

Here is what you were responding to.  Since you decided to act like a kid and use a phrase like "epic fail", i am simply pointing out that you are wrong, or should be more clear.

Fact is, if DF delivers on its feature list, there really isnt anything like it on the market

 

Um... no that ISN'T what I was responding... I was responding to SPECIFICALLY what I quoted, in order to indicate SPECIFICALLY that I was responding to it.

I NEVER argued that DF will not, if it delivers on it's COMPLETE feature list, offer an OVERALL expirience unlike anything else on the market. Your just being silly.

THIS AGAIN is why thanks to the >>FANS<< no intelligent conversation can take place about Darkfall.

 

/facepalm

and yea its was the fans that turned this forum into what it is today...right...

 

Yes. Exactly. I think I've proven my point here. Thanks.

You certainly have proven a point aright.

Darkfalls .. a  is not anything new. If you look when they started this game and what they wanted it to look and act like THEN it might have been a hit. As it is now their just a day late and a dollar short. Now days any kind of PVP is just not what it was. And these guys lol have such a long history of making MMO's huh.

Everyone NEW WarHammer would be just as big if not bigger then WOW lol well we see how that turned out. And Darkfall is no one. Then this PVP/loot is NOT whats selling today. If thats ALL they will have the game will not do so good. I dont think they can even brake a 200k. And if that means HIT to you .. a ok have fun.

Side note: anytime you have to USE the word "kid" and the like does not MAKE you an adult. Its just a troll to yank the person chain. Epic fail = kid? lol yeah and only kids play WOW.. blah blah blah get over it ..