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Originally posted by ganbee
YOu need to understand something first. You are not asking for better, you are asking for what you want. Two different things. Adding more servers would kill the unique thing this game has. Seems obvious to me. |
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Deathstrike2
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Joined: 2/04/06
"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope." - Martin Luther King, Jr. |
Originally posted by batolemaeus
I am so sick of immature people labeling every thread they disagree with as a whine. It was a simple suggestion. sheesh.... Anywho, whatever. Enjoy your game :] |
We really needed a new Thread about this Topic. |
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Kyleran
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Joined: 9/13/06
"In EVE, no one gives a damn about a fair fight." - chafin |
Originally posted by batolemaeus
LOL Bat, very nice way to present them. Search button is the least used functionality on these forums it seems.
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon EVE Cult member since May 2007 Regarding EVE: "To be honest, I think God himself created this game." - Shek Regarding new players in EVE: "Think of yourself as a child released into a park full of pedophiles..." - Eleazaros |
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I've also been thinking of trying this game, but from what I understand it's hard to catch up. It seems only logic to start a fresh server now when they market eve as much as they do, on gamespot etc. |
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People keep saying it's a bad idea because it wouldn't actually accomplish anything. Skill points in Eve do not determine how powerful your character is. Your own player skills determine that. Your skills merely give you options. People buying high SP characters and then getting their asses handed to them is a disturbingly common occurance because people can't lose the whole 'I need X level' mindset, whereas people new to pvp (including former industry characters like yours truly) are often told to stick to frigs (the most basic ship in the game) until they get the hang of things, and it's quite possible to be effective in said frigate if you know what you're doing without having a huge amount of skillpoints invested.  |
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Nicoli
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Joined: 8/14/06
Nicoli Voldkif |
Originally posted by cjhrules
okay to sum up EVE in a nutshell. If you think you can't do anything in EVE till you will be able to find a million things you can never do and be seriously disappointed. If you think that you will always have something to contribute you will find the million ways you can contribute and enjoy your time in EVE. The end result is that EVE does not support negative thinkers at all. It is its one weakness is that if you havea negative attitude it will return that attitude with negative impressiosn tenfold. Fi you come to me in eve and constantly say that you can't help because you can't contribute because of SP then I will quickly see you out of my corp or alliance. If you come looking for ways that you cna be helpful then I will support you and help you out till you no longer need my advice. |
Originally posted by cjhrules
No it is not hard to catch up... The day you have catched up is the day you learnt the ropes. By logic every other games should constantly need new servers. As there are already players that have the highest level, have the latest tier gear. You will never catch up to those either, when you got their current gear they will have the next released tier. When you are lvl x a level X comes in and rapes you. On and on and on. In EVE that doesn't happen, when you know what to do. The thing that you will get by having alot of trained SP is that the palette to pick colours from are bigger, still you can only draw with one at the time. What is it that one is looking for, envy of the guy that played from the start of the game and have million after million in SP, a chance to brag that I am one of the guys with most SP?
*Shure it happens... Like in every other pvp games out there, there naturally are people that play these games for the meaning of it, to PvP. This "elite super vet", that I envy he/she is so cool with assumingly a shitload of SP, attacked me in a simple Vexor (could have been a Thorax). The guy did not make dent on me even if he wouldn't even get past my shields. What he was doing was holding me down till his friends showed up with the DPS. That is only a couple of weeks of training. I had at that time 3 months worth of training and a PVE fitted ship. Afcourse he could have years worth of training, but in reality he would only needed a few weeks if even that. I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention. |
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Elsabolts
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Joined: 10/03/06
Life Liberty and the Pursuit of those that would threaten It |
If the Devs think this will increase subscriptions it will happen the game is a busniess and the bottom line will dectaite. Short answer is yes it would bring them more subs hard to argue this and the vets know it. |
I baited an Armageddon (Amarr bs) with a t1 frigate yesterday, and downed him..with the help of my main in another t1 frigate, although he wasn't needed, i just wanted to get the killmail. Knowledge of game mechanics is a lot more important than anything else. |
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Originally posted by Deathstrike2
I am so sick of immature people labeling every thread they disagree with as a whine. It was a simple suggestion. sheesh.... Anywho, whatever. Enjoy your game :] CCP have tried openening a new server before in China. It was a complete disaster within a few months it was donimated by one or 2 alliances run by EvE vets in China so the population bombed as noone else had a chance to make an impact themselves because they didnt ahve 3 years EvE experience like those alliances did when they formed.
Thats why it wont happen because i could just go over to a new server and be one of the top PvP people or traders and get very rich/powerfull quickly. |
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Originally posted by ganbee
It's quite scary that you have failed to grasp even the simple ideas that have been clearly explained throughout the course of this thread.
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Originally posted by Elsabolts
Them not having done it seems to indicate they think otherwise. Instead of adding a new server they're adding more space to the server they have, which is a good thing. "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice." ~Greys Law |
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Elsabolts
Apprentice Member
Joined: 10/03/06
Life Liberty and the Pursuit of those that would threaten It |
Yes they are looking at making the game more newbie Friendly and im sure this will piss off the gankers. Soon the skill training will be changed to the lower end folks being able to train more then one skill up to my guess will be 5 training at once till your have caught up to current levels of long time players. This will not make the hard core very happy but time marches on. |
Originally posted by Elsabolts
Hey, don't change your subject. You said they was going to add servers. Stick to that gun first. I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention. |
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Originally posted by Elsabolts
They made it faster for new players to train ages ago. I can't see them increasing the speed again because it's almost the only progression in the game besides acquiring things. They're just trying to lower the learning curve to attract more new players not change the core of the game. Having more newbies won't piss off the gankers, quite the opposite. "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice." ~Greys Law |
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Originally posted by Elsabolts My brain.. it hurts... Back on subject though. What I think you're referring to is an idea that's been mentioned several times by CCP where you can train more than one skill at a time, though each skill would train more slowly so when all is said and done you got the same amount of SPs, just split across more than one skill, the idea being you could set a long and a short skill, and when the short one is done all the SPs go back on the long one, that way you don' t have to get up at 2 AM to switch skill. But even if it was out and out faster training, why exactly would that piss off the vets? Vets already know if you give a noob 20 million SPs and a hundred million ISK, they're still a noob and there's at least one thread on the official forums every week from someone crying that they purchased a high-SP character, fitted out some ridiculously expensive battleship, and got blown up 10 minutes later by a well-flown cruiser or even a gang of frigs. The common MMO mindset of high level + epic loots = powerful player simply doesn't apply in Eve, it's all about player know-how and working in a group. Else how would the goons have taken over so much space using nothing but low-skill ships (at least when they started). I think it comes down to difficulty. Eve is Nintendo Hard in an age when mainstream MMOs have gone soft, and is quite proud of it. Yes, you can be anything you want within the context the game. No, the game will not hand it to you, tell you how to go about it, cushion the landing when you screw up, speed things along because you feel you're not going fast enough, or anything else like that. It gives accomplishments in Eve, when you finally reach them, a sense of being a lot more 'real' than in other games. But you're competing against lots of other people in a system that's designed to give the upper hand to whoever have more player smarts and nothing on your character sheet will reflect that. It takes a different mindset than you find in any other game I've tried, probably the reason why Eve fans are so rabid and everyone else thinks we're lunatic fanboys. |
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Kyleran
Elite Member
Joined: 9/13/06
"In EVE, no one gives a damn about a fair fight." - chafin |
Originally posted by Elsabolts
Funny thing about EVE, almost every player, from the lowest pirate to the leader of the largest alliance would agree that having new players enter the game is a good thing. So no one is going to be pissed off if they make learning how to play the game a bit easier for new players. They'll never implement your vision of multiple skill trains. They saw what NGE did to SWG and have learned not to make sudden, or drastic moves with the gameplay or design just for the "hope" of attracting the casual gamer. Sure, they want subs to grow, but not at the expense of the core player base.
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon EVE Cult member since May 2007 Regarding EVE: "To be honest, I think God himself created this game." - Shek Regarding new players in EVE: "Think of yourself as a child released into a park full of pedophiles..." - Eleazaros |
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I skipped the biggest part of this thread, because.. well.. I saw this topic alot of time.
The last time I readed one, was 2 months ago. That one pulled me over the fence (with some other stuff ofcourse) and I started playing EvE.
At this time, I am able to win pvp fights with my 2 month old character. And not some lame other newb, but even old players. If you look at EvEmon (if you don't have it as a noob, what the heck?) you will see that training full high end pvp, with all the supporting skills, takes around a 268 days. Sure this is also alot, but that is normal in a MMO.
EvE skill are in a wide spectrum. If you focus on something, you will be good in no time. If I have to make a quick guess, within 80 or 90 days training, you are able to compete with the really old pvpers. Why? Mainly because there is not for 4 years skills in 1 ship. Sure, they might be able to fly more then 1 ship, thats their advantage. But after 80 or 90 days, you will be just as good as anyone, in a T1 ship. T2 takes longer ofcourse, but thats why it was implented.
Also, this might be important... You will never - ever - ever be the solowtfpwnage machine as in some other game. Some people exploit stuff, get to strong and get nerfed back. Nano-ships where a example. That where people that fitted their ships so, that they where so quick, that you couldn't hit them.
Then CCP is fixing it, they are calling it lame. Ugh.
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Ok nuff stupid new server threads, install trial check out the game, see why a new serv would be a bad idea. If you still think you need a new serv, make another useless psot in these forums, get flamed once more. Mkay? I'm not a no life that sits in front of his computer all day long, I'm an intern that sits in front of his computer all day long. |
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OP ignore the ppl calling you a troll or whatever, cause the Eve and the mmorpg community just like to disagree with everyone. It's a good idea and it wouldn't hurt the verterans but they just like to cry about something so you'll get flamed. Also ghost training was fine the only reason ppl say it was stupid is to start a fight, just ignore them. Lotr online is a community I love to group with and rp with but Eve commmunity...well lets just say they're a bunch of wiki/google wannabe profesors but irl they aren't too bright, thats why I play single Player Eve (everyone on ignore, chat window closed). Eve is a great game but the community really drags it down. Maybe they can make a single player Eve online, I would definitely play that. If you plan on flaming me I won't read ur post so ur wasting ur time. Eve community is junk endthread/ LOTR online community is here ----------------------->
Eve online community is somewhere down here ---> |
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Originally posted by Cyborg99
What time do you get on to Play EvE? Because I have had no issues with the community...for the most part. all the Vet. people/ISD in the rookies channel address questions helpfully, and even treat the most NEW'B questions accordingly non biast. |
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eve is lame 
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Read up develoment forums to get an idea how and why are fast ships used. |
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Originally posted by cjhrules
good news: you're wrong. catching up is trivial. i started a new industrial alt about 4 or 5 months ago, industrial alt now produces money hand over fist, i could do the same thing today, and so can you.
hell, im thinking about getting a third account and training up amarrian ships. |
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