Originally posted by Scripture1

IT'S A GREAT GAME

And, you know that because you are in Closed Beta or something?

"but lets not pin the "IT'S A GREAT GAME" tag on it until it has been given a chance"

Fixed that for you.

Mindlessly calling a game "just another Asian Grinder" is just as bad as calling that game "ITS A GREAT GAME" (nothing personal intended, just an example)

Originally posted by Nickless_man

Originally posted by Scripture1

IT'S A GREAT GAME

 

And, you know that because you are in Closed Beta or something?

"but lets not pin the "IT'S A GREAT GAME" tag on it until it has been given a chance"

Fixed that for you.

 

Mindlessly calling a game "just another Asian Grinder" is just as bad as calling that game "ITS A GREAT GAME" (nothing personal intended, just an example)

Well actually no I'm not in a close beta (I could only wish) but the foundation of my comments were based upon me spending much of my free time instead of loggin on to my WoW, doing searches endlessly on the game :). Doesn't really matter how I know that by the way, since it's my personal opinion and personal opinions places no obligations of conformity on anyone.

Thanks for fixing my typo's, that happens when I'm posting during my lunch break and have to get back to work  fast w/o proof reading. Hey I found a heck of a lot more posts with errors in them too, I'm sure we can find more for you to "Fix". I'm done what I was doing earlier so we can take the time to search together....NAH

Mindlessly calling a game "just another grinder" is not as bad as saying "IT'S A GREAT GAME" when my speculations are purely based upon what I have read, watched and heard over an extended period of time (over a year). When you call a game just another grinder based upon other games then THAT is what you call "Mindless" (nothing personal intended, just an example)

Originally posted by Pezhead

A little off topic... but HEY CYNTHE! What's up? Aionsource has been gettin' a little slow recently(IMO) so i thought i'd visit MMORPG.com to see what was up here.

Hey Pez, I'm not on the source that much because it's so big honestly and this forum is much easier to reply to on a break. On aionsource I could waste hours browsing, which isn't a bad thing I just don't have the time. I come and go there, while I'm mostly here. ;)

Originally posted by cooms

I can personally look passed the art style (which im not a fan of at all) and from what ive seen, this game looks like a wow clone with a new skin, super shiny elf graphics, mixed with Final Fantasty or L2. Im not sure if you can say ive done my "homework" as people call it but i am not impressed as of yet buy this game. So to answer the OPs question - its VERY easy to call Aion "just another Asian grinder" because it "looks" just like one. Maybe your right and its super fun. ill play it i have no bias on what companies make games and i dont go "blah blah blah i hate EA/SOE/blizzard because they made a game". Also about all the people you quoted..i dont think thats gunna sway anyone. i could are less about what mmorpg, the escapist , MMOsite, editors have to say about it really. Maybe im totally right or maybe im gunna be eating my words but its just very VERY easy to catagorize it.

ok please there is no way this is and will ever be a wow clone in any way and yes uve definatley not done your "homework" wows graphics and style are so horrible compared to aion and the only thing this game will ever have like wow is literally levels...

Originally posted by Nickless_man

Originally posted by Scripture1

IT'S A GREAT GAME

 

And, you know that because you are in Closed Beta or something?

"but lets not pin the "IT'S A GREAT GAME" tag on it until it has been given a chance"

Fixed that for you.

 

Mindlessly calling a game "just another Asian Grinder" is just as bad as calling that game "ITS A GREAT GAME" (nothing personal intended, just an example)

sorry if this sounds smartassish but its called research..... it is a great game and its shaping up to be even better than great  just read around at all the sites/blogs that have tried it

Originally posted by kingbarth

Originally posted by Nickless_man

Originally posted by Scripture1

IT'S A GREAT GAME

 

And, you know that because you are in Closed Beta or something?

"but lets not pin the "IT'S A GREAT GAME" tag on it until it has been given a chance"

Fixed that for you.

 

Mindlessly calling a game "just another Asian Grinder" is just as bad as calling that game "ITS A GREAT GAME" (nothing personal intended, just an example)

 

sorry if this sounds smartassish but its called research..... it is a great game and its shaping up to be even better than great  just read around at all the sites/blogs that have tried it

Research.

Isn't that what players did while waiting for AoC and WAR? Only some closed beta players and trolls (by luck) saw those titles for what they truly are.

Doing research doesn't mean anything. As for the blogs, well, lets just say Tortage was also great when various sites and blogs tried AoC out.

Everyone is entited to their own opinion of course.

Nick, you do indeed have a point.  Aion is going through a similar stage as to when AoC and WAR were in about a year ago.  And the truth is there is NO way for us to know anything that we have seen will be set in stone until we get the full version ourselves. 

BUT! What i see in Aion is it isn't aiming as high as AoC or WAR, it is trying to create a niche for itself in the overppulated MMORPG gaming community using preistablished concepts and ideas and making them better.  Personally, I really like the underhype that Aion is getting in NA, it means we don't have to worry as much about 10 year olds, and complete asswads who have to play the popular games.  This also leaves room for a sleeper hit and if the game doesn't deliver on all it's promises... well, it won't be as criticized because there are "BIGGER"  games out there right now. 

From what we know so far and have seen, the majority of the promises the dev's have made have been fulfilled-for beta- and a few more as well.  Originally, flying combat wasn't even in the game, but after the first showcase of the game in '06, people-that is gamers- demanded flying combat, so the Aion devs took the game back to the drawing board and after 5 months, Aion's Flying combat system was born... now that is something that you don't hear about from your 10 a day run of the mill asian grinding free to play MMOS-in fact, it's uncommon in any GAME let alone an MMO.

Again, we will have to wait for the full versian, but hey, i've got my fingers AND toes crossed for this to be the game of the decade.

Originally posted by Nickless_man

Originally posted by kingbarth

Originally posted by Nickless_man

Originally posted by Scripture1

IT'S A GREAT GAME

 

And, you know that because you are in Closed Beta or something?

"but lets not pin the "IT'S A GREAT GAME" tag on it until it has been given a chance"

Fixed that for you.

 

Mindlessly calling a game "just another Asian Grinder" is just as bad as calling that game "ITS A GREAT GAME" (nothing personal intended, just an example)

 

sorry if this sounds smartassish but its called research..... it is a great game and its shaping up to be even better than great  just read around at all the sites/blogs that have tried it

 

Research.

Isn't that what players did while waiting for AoC and WAR? Only some closed beta players and trolls (by luck) saw those titles for what they truly are.

Doing research doesn't mean anything. As for the blogs, well, lets just say Tortage was also great when various sites and blogs tried AoC out.

Everyone is entited to their own opinion of course.

Small difference, AoC and WAR used NDA, Aion hasn''t used it. It's way easier to make an opinion of a game if you don't rely exclusively on dev-spoonfed information.

It's a great game, and I've tested it, does it hold any weight now? I'm afraid it doesn't, however, I do think so, and I have my arguments to think so. Read my posts if you're interested on them.

Originally posted by Ephimero

Originally posted by Nickless_man

Originally posted by kingbarth

Originally posted by Nickless_man

Originally posted by Scripture1

IT'S A GREAT GAME

 

And, you know that because you are in Closed Beta or something?

"but lets not pin the "IT'S A GREAT GAME" tag on it until it has been given a chance"

Fixed that for you.

 

Mindlessly calling a game "just another Asian Grinder" is just as bad as calling that game "ITS A GREAT GAME" (nothing personal intended, just an example)

 

sorry if this sounds smartassish but its called research..... it is a great game and its shaping up to be even better than great  just read around at all the sites/blogs that have tried it

 

Research.

Isn't that what players did while waiting for AoC and WAR? Only some closed beta players and trolls (by luck) saw those titles for what they truly are.

Doing research doesn't mean anything. As for the blogs, well, lets just say Tortage was also great when various sites and blogs tried AoC out.

Everyone is entited to their own opinion of course.

 

Small difference, AoC and WAR used NDA, Aion hasn''t used it. It's way easier to make an opinion of a game if you don't rely exclusively on dev-spoonfed information.

It's a great game, and I've tested it, does it hold any weight now? I'm afraid it doesn't, however, I do think so, and I have my arguments to think so. Read my posts if you're interested on them.

Thank you Ephimero, that is a breath of fresh air seeing a beta tester of the game post like you did,  Btw, Nick you keep comparing this game to AoC and WAR. Henceforth the reason why your view is so limited. This game may have similar atributes but that (I believe) is so we wouldn't have to spend most of our time trying to figure out how to play an mmo all over again, why re-invent the wheel. It is in a class to itself and (in my personal opinion) NOT to be classified as a rip-off of any other game. I doubt anyone would take four years or so to just make a game that is a rip-off of another.

I dunno if you really wanted to chat about Aion though, I think you just wanted to correct my spelling lol

dno't wrry' me wil xpel beter nex tyme four yoo.

Originally posted by Scripture1

Originally posted by Ephimero

Small difference, AoC and WAR used NDA, Aion hasn''t used it. It's way easier to make an opinion of a game if you don't rely exclusively on dev-spoonfed information.

It's a great game, and I've tested it, does it hold any weight now? I'm afraid it doesn't, however, I do think so, and I have my arguments to think so. Read my posts if you're interested on them.

Thank you Ephimero, that is a breath of fresh air seeing a beta tester of the game post like you did,  Btw, Nick you keep comparing this game to AoC and WAR. Henceforth the reason why your view is so limited. This game may have similar atributes but that (I believe) is so we wouldn't have to spend most of our time trying to figure out how to play an mmo all over again, why re-invent the wheel. It is in a class to itself and (in my personal opinion) NOT to be classified as a rip-off of any other game. I doubt anyone would take four years or so to just make a game that is a rip-off of another.

I dunno if you really wanted to chat about Aion though, I think you just wanted to correct my spelling lol

dno't wrry' me wil xpel beter nex tyme four yoo.

First of all, this is the first time that i ever compared AoC or WAR to another game.

Second of all, if you take a look at my sig, you'll see that I also am waiting (aka looking forward to) Aion.

Finally, "I doubt anyone would take four years or so to just make a game that is a rip-off of another", I think you should take a look at MMO history a little closer.

Also, I don't think there is a need to repeat my original point.

Originally posted by Nickless_man

Originally posted by Scripture1

Originally posted by Ephimero

Small difference, AoC and WAR used NDA, Aion hasn''t used it. It's way easier to make an opinion of a game if you don't rely exclusively on dev-spoonfed information.

It's a great game, and I've tested it, does it hold any weight now? I'm afraid it doesn't, however, I do think so, and I have my arguments to think so. Read my posts if you're interested on them.

Thank you Ephimero, that is a breath of fresh air seeing a beta tester of the game post like you did,  Btw, Nick you keep comparing this game to AoC and WAR. Henceforth the reason why your view is so limited. This game may have similar atributes but that (I believe) is so we wouldn't have to spend most of our time trying to figure out how to play an mmo all over again, why re-invent the wheel. It is in a class to itself and (in my personal opinion) NOT to be classified as a rip-off of any other game. I doubt anyone would take four years or so to just make a game that is a rip-off of another.

I dunno if you really wanted to chat about Aion though, I think you just wanted to correct my spelling lol

dno't wrry' me wil xpel beter nex tyme four yoo.

 

First of all, this is the first time that i ever compared AoC or WAR to another game.

Second of all, if you take a look at my sig, you'll see that I also am waiting (aka looking forward to) Aion.

Finally, "I doubt anyone would take four years or so to just make a game that is a rip-off of another", I think you should take a look at MMO history a little closer.

Also, I don't think there is a need to repeat my original point.

 

seriously i agree with you this game is nothing like any other game out or even coming out its different in a good way.

I hope the game turns out good but what asian mmo isnt a grinder ? They all seem like they are. I hope they offer a free trial so we can test it out before spending the 50-60 bucks for the box. I wasted $100 just to find out that AOC and WAR was all hype and nothing more.

Originally posted by SaintViktor

I hope the game turns out good but what asian mmo isnt a grinder ? They all seem like they are. I hope they offer a free trial so we can test it out before spending the 50-60 bucks for the box. I wasted $100 just to find out that AOC and WAR was all hype and nothing more.

watch this site starting on nov 11, maybe it will answer your questions:  aionhun.hu/page.php

Originally posted by N1ghtsta1ker

I wasn't trying to "market" the game, I just find it hard to believe that so few people take the game seriously after seeing all of the amazing beta footage that has come out recently.

I didn't list reasons why it won't be a grinder, because we all know how devs can lie and game footage can be rigged to prove a point.  The websites I listed have actually played the game through a few levels, which is the best way to verify what the developers have been marketing.  Obviously they've been keeping their promises.

I have no problem with people that don't like the artstlye or the combat animations etc., that's fine.  I'm just curious how people can still drag the game through the dirt when everyone who's played it loved it.

Once again, sorry if the post came off as "viral marketing".

You seem a little hypocritical OP , you say you dont want comments from fanbois ??? ...... its seems you are displaying typical fanboi tendencies with your post.

Also I'm sick of people that continue hiding behind the " Oh and if your a fanbois dont post " comment.

Originally posted by stayontarget

Originally posted by SaintViktor

I hope the game turns out good but what asian mmo isnt a grinder ? They all seem like they are. I hope they offer a free trial so we can test it out before spending the 50-60 bucks for the box. I wasted $100 just to find out that AOC and WAR was all hype and nothing more.

watch this site starting on nov 11, maybe it will answer your questions:  aionhun.hu/page.php

Thanks for the link. Some of the videos on their were pretty nice but Aion has always seemed graphically appealing. I'll have to read up more on the game.

Originally posted by SaintViktor

I hope the game turns out good but what asian mmo isnt a grinder ? They all seem like they are. I hope they offer a free trial so we can test it out before spending the 50-60 bucks for the box. I wasted $100 just to find out that AOC and WAR was all hype and nothing more.

ok aion is not a grinder there we go again with this o its asian so its a grinder bullshit did you not read this thread.... seriously... their making it just like or war would be in grind and thats nothing

Originally posted by kingbarth

Originally posted by SaintViktor

I hope the game turns out good but what asian mmo isnt a grinder ? They all seem like they are. I hope they offer a free trial so we can test it out before spending the 50-60 bucks for the box. I wasted $100 just to find out that AOC and WAR was all hype and nothing more.

ok aion is not a grinder there we go again with this o its asian so its a grinder bullshit did you not read this thread.... seriously... their making it just like or war would be in grind and thats nothing

Notice this person only stated their opinion and did not attack the game or anyone....... You can't help stereotypes, at least Viktor said it in a respectful way that doesn't insult anyone...

Thanks SaintViktor. ;)

Originally posted by summitus

Originally posted by N1ghtsta1ker

I wasn't trying to "market" the game, I just find it hard to believe that so few people take the game seriously after seeing all of the amazing beta footage that has come out recently.

I didn't list reasons why it won't be a grinder, because we all know how devs can lie and game footage can be rigged to prove a point.  The websites I listed have actually played the game through a few levels, which is the best way to verify what the developers have been marketing.  Obviously they've been keeping their promises.

I have no problem with people that don't like the artstlye or the combat animations etc., that's fine.  I'm just curious how people can still drag the game through the dirt when everyone who's played it loved it.

Once again, sorry if the post came off as "viral marketing".

 

You seem a little hypocritical OP , you say you dont want comments from fanbois ??? ...... its seems you are displaying typical fanboi tendencies with your post.

Also I'm sick of people that continue hiding behind the " Oh and if your a fanbois dont post " comment.

I'm not an Aion fanboy though.  I don't drag other games through the dirt because i'm probably going to try every new game that comes out regardless of how I feel about it right now.

What I can't stand is people that go around acting like their opinion is better than anyone else's.  I don't troll their topics, so I'm just asking that they do the same for me.

Originally posted by Blodpls

Personally I just don't like the style of asian mmorpgs. 

I do not like high gloss, ridiculously over the top, fairy tale, disney-esque games.

Just look at this: uk.youtube.com/watch

It makes me want to chunder.

Lets all play some disgusting , gothic  ,  extremely bloody and full of darkness game because you know that's what everyone wants , right?    Honestly I wish there was more beautiful , fairytale style games and less of the crap that makes us more like animals and less like humans.

[quote]Originally posted by chrono73
[b][quote]Originally posted by Blodpls

 
U think your personal opinion means somthing on Aion forum?u dont like the stile of the game omg i will not be able to sleep at night becouse u dont like it.Do i have too read all this posts that trie to explain the frustation of some haters?Stop trieng to convert us to somthing new and good that...oo wait it is nothing good out ther to be played for the moment but i see that u all haters kep coming here and my question is why.Do u all think that u will earn some points for converting some of us to some uther games?We r here becouse we like what we have seen couse we like the game.U just waste your time coming here bashing starting a war,flames becouse lets be honest...WE WILL PLAY AION NOO MATHER WHAT!Than my question still stay why coming here and continue to spit?u must be a retard right?e may right or e my right?
Your question must be...is this guy a fanboy? for Aion?hell yea i am.I have played all tested all mmo out ther and for Aion again hell yea i am.
No mather what u all haters out ther will say and noo mather what u all will do here Aion is coming and u will play it too.Nobody can stop the inevitable and u will play it..yea u that spit now here on it.Than what can we say about your actions now?RETARDS ALL THE WAY.

for god's sake, chill out.

Originally posted by Cynthe

Originally posted by kingbarth

Originally posted by SaintViktor

I hope the game turns out good but what asian mmo isnt a grinder ? They all seem like they are. I hope they offer a free trial so we can test it out before spending the 50-60 bucks for the box. I wasted $100 just to find out that AOC and WAR was all hype and nothing more.

ok aion is not a grinder there we go again with this o its asian so its a grinder bullshit did you not read this thread.... seriously... their making it just like or war would be in grind and thats nothing

 

Notice this person only stated their opinion and did not attack the game or anyone....... You can't help stereotypes, at least Viktor said it in a respectful way that doesn't insult anyone...

Thanks SaintViktor. ;)

Anytime! I'm not here to insult anyone at all. I think some just need to respect other's opinions even if not what others think. Looking forward to actually giving Aion a whirl. Hopefully it doesn't disappoint. 
 

Few things to clear up about Asian value in MMO gaming.

1.  Asians generally like their game have alot of room for character development, which usually means more difficulty to get up to very high level, or a system which makes obtaining skills more complex.

2.  Being max level is considered by Asians to be rare even 1 year after the game release.  It is a privilege and not something easily achieved by everyone.  (This is Asian MMO in general, but not all are this way)

3.  Asians generally enjoy the process of leveling to obtain high level, not having power handed to them on a silver platter and someone to spoon feed them.

4.  Competition is everything, in power, in wealth, and in equipment.  (However, some do get a bit too power hungry...)

5.  Soloist attitdue.  However, not in a way that interfere with team-work.  It just means each individual in that party is much stronger due to more self reliance, which in term result in stronger party.  (Rely on yourself when possible goes a long way)

Conclusion:  Asian gamers tend to put in more effort when something is difficult, but others tend to blame the system for being too harsh.  (NOTE: This is not always the case of course, each person is different.)

Originally posted by Neosai

Few things to clear up about Asian value in MMO gaming.

1.  Asians generally like their game have alot of room for character development, which usually means more difficulty to get up to very high level, or a system which makes obtaining skills more complex.

2.  Being max level is considered by Asians to be rare even 1 year after the game release.  It is a privilege and not something easily achieved by everyone.  (This is Asian MMO in general, but not all are this way)

3.  Asians generally enjoy the process of leveling to obtain high level, not having power handed to them on a silver platter and someone to spoon feed them.

4.  Competition is everything, in power, in wealth, and in equipment.  (However, some do get a bit too power hungry...)

5.  Soloist attitdue.  However, not in a way that interfere with team-work.  It just means each individual in that party is much stronger due to more self reliance, which in term result in stronger party.  (Rely on yourself when possible goes a long way)

Conclusion:  Asian gamers tend to put in more effort when something is difficult, but others tend to blame the system for being too harsh.  (NOTE: This is not always the case of course, each person is different.)

 

Making generalizations about such a diverse group of people from Koreans, Chinese and Japanese is interesting, but I'm not sure it's 100% accurate. In playing with many Chinese players for years now I will say that they have a tendency to farm more, but that's about the only gross generalization I can make. They are from diverse cultures and not all the same.

Originally posted by awoz

Originally posted by Neosai

Few things to clear up about Asian value in MMO gaming.

1.  Asians generally like their game have alot of room for character development, which usually means more difficulty to get up to very high level, or a system which makes obtaining skills more complex.

2.  Being max level is considered by Asians to be rare even 1 year after the game release.  It is a privilege and not something easily achieved by everyone.  (This is Asian MMO in general, but not all are this way)

3.  Asians generally enjoy the process of leveling to obtain high level, not having power handed to them on a silver platter and someone to spoon feed them.

4.  Competition is everything, in power, in wealth, and in equipment.  (However, some do get a bit too power hungry...)

5.  Soloist attitdue.  However, not in a way that interfere with team-work.  It just means each individual in that party is much stronger due to more self reliance, which in term result in stronger party.  (Rely on yourself when possible goes a long way)

Conclusion:  Asian gamers tend to put in more effort when something is difficult, but others tend to blame the system for being too harsh.  (NOTE: This is not always the case of course, each person is different.)

 

Making generalizations about such a diverse group of people from Koreans, Chinese and Japanese is interesting, but I'm not sure it's 100% accurate. In playing with many Chinese players for years now I will say that they have a tendency to farm more, but that's about the only gross generalization I can make. They are from diverse cultures and not all the same.

 I did said "This is not always the caste of course, each person is different".

However I am standing by my view of the trend I observe playing various games both Asian, Western, and a mix of both.  This is not to say ALL Asian is that way, it is just a way to generalize Asian gaming culture when compared to Western.  The topic is related to  "Asian" grinder.  I can't possibly make completely unbiased counter arguement when the setting is already biased even though it wasn't the poster's intention to argue otherwise.

Everyone's preference cannot be judged by race of course, but by analyzing the types of game released in their specific country, the overall cultural gaming preference is easily seen.

Ever think about why Asian always make grinder games?  (Yes, it is because we want to make western players suffer, this is our goal in life)

NO, it is because Asian gaming have always been based on long levels, and reward those that play hard with superiority in levels, better skills, and so on.  In more tradition Asian MMORPG, there was no such thing as end game content.  There was levels (which consist of only killing mobs all day long), and things you do while not leveling (Which you didn't need to be max level).  Questing for xp is more of a recent idea.

Yes, lately Asian MMO's leveling isn't as long as before to suit international market, however, you can't expect someone to completely change their way in an instant.  These modern MMORPG are already modified to suit western taste.  In general, current Asian grinder is already in the process of being toned down, and will continue to do so to fit in with the international market.

BTW, since when did I make a 100% accurate generalization? Actually how can anyone? A generalization cannot be 100% because  it is a generalization.  My previous post is to show the Asian MMO gaming mentality, which explains the huge amount of "Asian Grinder" games we currently have.

As long as a game is fun, I don't care about grinding.  I play for fun, not for power.