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  TeknoBug

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10/31/08 12:13:18 PM#41


Originally posted by salvaje
If the new game is going to be NGE II, it will fail.
And LEC definitely doesn't understand the Star Wars fan base.  First off, the "casual" Star Wars fan doesn't really exist anymore, there are no more new movies.  The "hardcore" or lifetime Star Wars fan (which is most of us) is large, but falls far short of WOW type numbers, and, most importantly are not people who will want to play a simple game.  I think had Pre-CU been fixed and expanded upon for the last 4 years SWG would have achieved EVE style success, grown over time, and today be approaching 500K-1M subs, but I also believe this is the UPPER limit a Star Wars MMO is likely to achieve.
So, no matter what, SWTOR is likely to, like the original game, fall far short of the dollar signs in the stratosphere LEC/EA think they are going to get.  And we know how dangerous those people are when this happens because of the past.  I foresee whatever in SWTOR that DOES make it unique, or complex, or at all appealing to hardcore Star Wars fans being ripped out, much as the Pre-CU had some ripped out for CU, and most of the rest for NGE, as people have pointed out rightly that if you take their PR statements as what they actually think, they've learned jack shit from the NGE.
 
 
 
 


To shorten what you just said, I think Lucas lost sight on what the Star Wars fanbase is, I'm in my 30's, my 2 sisters are in their late 30's, a couple of my friends as well and one is 42, we were all Star Wars fans from the original 3 and the EU books and none of us really liked the newer movies. With the last 3 and the cartoon series Lucas is trying to create a new and younger fanbase, which isn't anything the same, if you go to conventions you'll hardly ever see any 15-20 year olds, mostly 30-50 year olds dressed up as Leia or Stormtroopers.


If it's any character people want to be in game, most people that I know would say "Boba Fett" rather than any of the Jedi or such.


  salvaje

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Figthing for Truth, Justice, and the Pre-CU way

10/31/08 12:45:28 PM#42

Yeah, to us who are age 30+, the original movies were a big event in our memory.

To the kids who's first  Star Wars experience was the prequels, it didn't reach them quite as the original did us.  The prequels did well, but weren't exactly box office blowouts like the originals were (they are all in the top 10 movies of all time adjusted for inflation, in fact "Star Wars" is #1 I believe).

In 1977, other than Star Trek (which lived then only in books and reruns) Sci-Fi hadn't really gotten much of a shot in the mainstream, and was still dominated by monster/horror flicks with a few exceptions ("2001").  It was Star Wars that moved Science Fiction movies into the mainstream.

 

Play the NGE TC(s)G</a>! It's Free! Its Fun! http://sturly.com/qd2

I encourage everyone who doubts the word of those who reject the NGE to try it for themselves. http://tryswg.com

  JK-Kanosi

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11/01/08 12:16:36 PM#43
Originally posted by salvaje

Yeah, to us who are age 30+, the original movies were a big event in our memory.

To the kids who's first  Star Wars experience was the prequels, it didn't reach them quite as the original did us.  The prequels did well, but weren't exactly box office blowouts like the originals were (they are all in the top 10 movies of all time adjusted for inflation, in fact "Star Wars" is #1 I believe).

In 1977, other than Star Trek (which lived then only in books and reruns) Sci-Fi hadn't really gotten much of a shot in the mainstream, and was still dominated by monster/horror flicks with a few exceptions ("2001").  It was Star Wars that moved Science Fiction movies into the mainstream.

 


 

I don't know if I qualify under your 30+ elite crowd, but I'm 28. I didn't see any of the original movies on the big screen, but I did see them on video years before the prequels came out. What I really liked most about the movies were the fight between the Jedi and Sith, which I knew relatively little about. Maybe it'd help if I said Jedi and Sith are so interesting to me, because it is based on Buddism, Samurai's, and Mideval Knights. Add on force powers and lightsabers and you have me hooked for life. So you see, people liked the movies for different reasons and assuming most liked it for this or that is ignorant, because neither of us could possibly know this. What we do know is that the majority of people who do game, prefer to play a Jedi or Sith.

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  GrandAm

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11/02/08 4:16:27 AM#44
Originally posted by ArcAngel3
Originally posted by sookster54

 


Originally posted by Balkin31
I agree, backoff some untill you have some information that directly reflects the game as it will be released!
Stop the the crappy pr-alpha promises and pics!
 
 


Did you not read what the guy from LA said though? He said "we learned that players want to be an instant hero character", as far as I know that's exactly what the NGE brought. Isn't MMORPGs about character progress?

 

Well, I'm sure some people do want to be the hero in their video game.  I agree, even many will.  But there will be many that just want to fill their own niche in the SW universe that has nothing with being "heroic."  Something I am already assure you know.Tbh, that doesn't bother me.  Me neither Others want to play supporting roles in a virtual world.  I do In my mind both options are nice.  IMO both are doable in the same game Also, I know a lot of players that were excited to unlock a jedi, but they didn't necessarily enjoy the whole journey.  Some of the killing, and killing, and killing to convert xp to force xp really was tiresome for some of my ingame friends.  One friend asked me, "since when did killing a million wookies make you a jedi?"  Tbh, I didn't really have a good answer for that lol.
 

Also, I don't think Bioware is capable of making a game as technically bad as the NGE.  I think it depends on the drection and goal.  So far everything they have said and shown IMO is a more polished version of the NGE.  Everything the NGE was supposed to be.  Well maybe if you only gave them 3 months to do it (like the NGE), but I bet Bioware would simply refuse.  Kind of like when LucasArts wanted them to make the KOTOR sequel in a year.  Bioware said no thanks, and let the job pass to Obsidian.  A year wasn't nearly long enough for a project like that, and KOTOR 2 had huge technical issues, and some missing pieces.  Whether BW takes 3 months or 10 years if it follows the same simple plan as the NGE, the question is will it be fun.  I personally will reserve final judgement til it launches and see for myself.  Til then I will watch what all parties have to say and let my cynacism reign til I have been given hope.

Honestly, I think Bioware is going to put out a quality video game, with never before seen features and gameplay.  I agree, but in the end it doesn't mean it will be a game I will want to play.  There have been many quality and MMOs and SP games that I have come and just couldn't get into.  I don't think it will be like pre-cu, but I think it will probably be unique and entertaining.  Again agreed.  Keep in mind I have both KOTORs and like them both.  I don't feel that the direction they have so far lamented makes for a good community MMO.  I will watch and see.

What gets me is LucasArts' current p.r. campaign.  They try to reach out to people burned by SWG by saying they've learned from their mistakes, but then when they tell us what they learned, they don't mention some of the things that upset their players most.  I agree, this is what disturbs me the most.  In fact much of what Nichols has said and indeed spun sounds exactly like Julio.  Something that worries me to the point where I doubt they have learned anything.

So yeah, they get that some people want to play the hero.  Fine, no problem.  But, do they get that people don't like bugs, broken promises and having their game progress completely deleted?  From their current ads, it would be easy to conclude that no, they don't get that.  This isn't doing Bioware or the new MMO any favours.  In the end we won't know what is til the game launches.  Hopefully they will produce the excellent game they stand now saying they will.


 

Good post Arc...

One of the most wonderful and also frustrating though is the BW STOR Oforums.  So far they are not banning or locking negative threads.  Indeed a positive trend under lessons learned.  At they same time they are willfully not responding to community concerns in threads.  Positive or negative they are doing nothing.  This is very frustrating.

I acknowledge it is early and they may even be reviewing what has been submitted to see if is feasible in game and follows their plan.  They may even change some their plan based on feedback.  But again with know response on thier forums even just to say "We are reviewing feedback" it is very frustrating.

I suggest anyone that visits their Oforums click on the"replies" link to see which threads have been responded to the most.  Many of them are key questions to be answered.  Something they have said nothing to, even on the forums.

Again, good post.  Thanks.

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  Loke666

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11/02/08 4:22:16 AM#45

I really never liked a single LA game, I hope Bioware will slap them every time they do something stupid.

I did however like all Bioware game I played so as long as LA keeps their greasy fingers away I think the game can really be good and something the MMO genre needs.

  salvaje

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Figthing for Truth, Justice, and the Pre-CU way

11/02/08 4:22:49 AM#46

Anyone else once play the old pen and paper original Star Wars RPG by West End Games?

In it your role wasn't to be a hero, but to be part of the GCW (or not at all) , even if you were a Jedi.

Indeed, it was much like the Pre-CU system in many ways.

 

Play the NGE TC(s)G</a>! It's Free! Its Fun! http://sturly.com/qd2

I encourage everyone who doubts the word of those who reject the NGE to try it for themselves. http://tryswg.com

  grafh

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11/02/08 4:34:43 AM#47
Originally posted by Warmaker

We're talking about LucasArts here.  This isn't the same company from the 90s.


 

very true. im not sure about SWG but i did enjoy the force.  i believe in bioware, and i also believe that lucas arts themselves will have a minimal part in the development of SWTOR.

  salvaje

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Figthing for Truth, Justice, and the Pre-CU way

11/02/08 7:46:59 AM#48
Originally posted by grafh
Originally posted by Warmaker

We're talking about LucasArts here.  This isn't the same company from the 90s.


 

very true. im not sure about SWG but i did enjoy the force.  i believe in bioware, and i also believe that lucas arts themselves will have a minimal part in the development of SWTOR.

 

LEC back in the 90's produced many great games, even not related to Star Wars...  These days they just pump out crap Star Wars games to make money on the name.

 

Play the NGE TC(s)G</a>! It's Free! Its Fun! http://sturly.com/qd2

I encourage everyone who doubts the word of those who reject the NGE to try it for themselves. http://tryswg.com

  Warmaker

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11/03/08 12:35:44 AM#49
Originally posted by Loke666

I really never liked a single LA game, I hope Bioware will slap them every time they do something stupid.

I did however like all Bioware game I played so as long as LA keeps their greasy fingers away I think the game can really be good and something the MMO genre needs.

 

I'm sorry, then you haven't played PC games in the 90s if not 1, single LA game was not worth liking.  Lucasarts in the 90s was a VERY, VERY different company than the craptastic one out there at the moment.  LA back then produced a slew of good games throughout the decade, especially in the mid to late 90s.  You could count on LA to produce maybe 2 good games a year, sometimes an expansion pack thrown in in the lineup also.

Ever since the movie "TPM" came out, it became a different story.  Lots of horrible games released in a short span, and the open disdain of anything Original Trilogy-related.  It's only in recent years did LA allow more games set in the OT timeframe.

Oh, and Bioware isn't going to be slapping LA around.  LA holds the rights and the $$$.  LA is also notorious for their interference.  Even Bioware made mention of it (indirectly), complained about it, in the time after KotOR was released and before Obisidan released KotOR II.  I found it funny to find out Bioware was going to work again for the same people that gave them a hard time in KotOR.

But money talks, and BS walks, I guess.

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  TeknoBug

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11/03/08 9:24:12 AM#50

I liked the old X-Wing vs Tie games, Jedi Knight series and some of the Monkey Island stuff, even SNES Pod Racer was cool. I didn't mind Battlefront either which was probably the last of LA's good material.


  Obee

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11/03/08 11:06:36 PM#51

LEC in the late 80's to early 90's was pretty much where BioWare is today.  They had a great track record of making excellent games.  It makes you wonder what happened behind the scenes to change that.  Even more, it make you realize that just because a company has a history of making great games, it doesn't mean they always will.  Let's hope that BioWare doesn't take LEC's path, and if they do, let's hope they wait until after TOR to take it.

 

 

  salvaje

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11/04/08 6:21:58 AM#52
Originally posted by Obee

LEC in the late 80's to early 90's was pretty much where BioWare is today.  They had a great track record of making excellent games.  It makes you wonder what happened behind the scenes to change that.  Even more, it make you realize that just because a company has a history of making great games, it doesn't mean they always will.  Let's hope that BioWare doesn't take LEC's path, and if they do, let's hope they wait until after TOR to take it. 

 

Laziness happened.  That and the idiot Jim Ward.  When the prequel movies started coming out, LEC completely abandoned their non Star Wars franchises and just started releasing pieces of crap to go along with the movies.  Quality didn't matter, only release dates.  A lot of that filtered over to SWG.

Play the NGE TC(s)G</a>! It's Free! Its Fun! http://sturly.com/qd2

I encourage everyone who doubts the word of those who reject the NGE to try it for themselves. http://tryswg.com

  ArcAngel3

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OP  11/04/08 5:09:34 PM#53
Originally posted by salvaje
Originally posted by Obee

LEC in the late 80's to early 90's was pretty much where BioWare is today.  They had a great track record of making excellent games.  It makes you wonder what happened behind the scenes to change that.  Even more, it make you realize that just because a company has a history of making great games, it doesn't mean they always will.  Let's hope that BioWare doesn't take LEC's path, and if they do, let's hope they wait until after TOR to take it. 

 

Laziness happened.  That and the idiot Jim Ward.  When the prequel movies started coming out, LEC completely abandoned their non Star Wars franchises and just started releasing pieces of crap to go along with the movies.  Quality didn't matter, only release dates.  A lot of that filtered over to SWG.


 

This is a recurring theme that has come up regarding StarWars games, SOE and LucasArts.  Product/movie tie ins to maximize revenue seem to have become priority number 1 on Ward's watch.

At a glance, this seems like a wise approach, from a business standpoint.  In my view, however, it's a near-sighted viewpoint.

We've seen people post explaining (as if it needs explanation) that of course companies like LEC and SOE make decisions based on making money.  Of course they do, and this is actually good.  I'd never disagree with a company trying to maximize revenue. 

What this fails to consider is the broader view: that making money, maintaining quality, and maintaining customer satisfaction all need to go hand-in-hand.

Catastrophic, philosophical errors were made when product/movie tie-ins and marketting driven production superceded the quality of the product and customer satisfaction.  I'm not just speaking of the NGE by the way, although I think this is was the pinnacle of this escalating sytemic error.

I'd say this pattern occured at release, then again with the jedi system, then again with the CU, and then again monumentally with the NGE and ToOW. 

Jim Ward is now part of LEC history.  He's gone.  Did this marketting first and money at the expense of quality and customer satisfaction go with him?  Well, we can only hope.  As for SOE, I"m past hoping John Smedley will go somewhere that he can do less damage.  At this point, I think SOE is John Smedley, and I think he shares the money at the expense of quality and customers philosophy.  If I could, I'd remind John that you need to whole package to be successful.  If you think you can sacrifice one of these elements to improve another, you're in for dissappointment or the use of an unhealthy amount of denial to keep going.

 

  GrandAm

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11/05/08 2:47:48 AM#54
Originally posted by salvaje
Originally posted by Obee

LEC in the late 80's to early 90's was pretty much where BioWare is today.  They had a great track record of making excellent games.  It makes you wonder what happened behind the scenes to change that.  Even more, it make you realize that just because a company has a history of making great games, it doesn't mean they always will.  Let's hope that BioWare doesn't take LEC's path, and if they do, let's hope they wait until after TOR to take it. 

 

Laziness happened.  That and the idiot Jim Ward.  When the prequel movies started coming out, LEC completely abandoned their non Star Wars franchises and just started releasing pieces of crap to go along with the movies.  Quality didn't matter, only release dates.  A lot of that filtered over to SWG.


 

You know...From my perspective it even started before the prequals.  I remember in 96 or 97 when the "enhanced" versions came out here in the U.S.A.

There was a local theater that played all three back to back.  I sat there hearing changed dialogue.  Speciffically with ESB and Darth Vader.  I sat and watched as Jabba was thrown into ANH.

It was in the mid 90's that things started to change as far as the franchise is concerned.  It is then (at least for me) that GL started selling out the SW brand beyond simple merchandise.

Something special I only saw again in CU (where I started) and has been lost to bad planning in almost all it's forms in the mid 90's.

In the prequals the main dialogue that I thought was good...  If not awsome was in the Coruscent theater where Palpatine really started to plant the seed of the Sith in the mind of Vader.  It all came from the actor that played Palpatine.  Not from Haden.  From the best of my knowledge he was the original from the RoTJ.  He did an awsome job.  To bad GL interfered beyond the original SW.  I wish he had remembered lessons learned from then and let somone else direct like ESB.  If he had done that,  I would have held those movies as something more than just emperical canon.  They just don't have the magic except for palpatine in the theater.

Also I really dislike how at the end seen of the "enhanced" RoTJ they decided to stick in Haden as a young Glowie.  Especially when Obi is old and so is Yoda.  More LA/GL ham-hazardness.  Unecessary and stupid.  Fully leaving me to believe GL has lost touch with what he created.

P.S. Darth Mull and Quigon were actually also cool.  I give that cradit to the actors.  Everything else look out.

IMO only =)

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  GrayGhost79

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11/05/08 10:38:04 AM#55
Originally posted by JK-Kanosi
Originally posted by salvaje

Yeah, to us who are age 30+, the original movies were a big event in our memory.

To the kids who's first  Star Wars experience was the prequels, it didn't reach them quite as the original did us.  The prequels did well, but weren't exactly box office blowouts like the originals were (they are all in the top 10 movies of all time adjusted for inflation, in fact "Star Wars" is #1 I believe).

In 1977, other than Star Trek (which lived then only in books and reruns) Sci-Fi hadn't really gotten much of a shot in the mainstream, and was still dominated by monster/horror flicks with a few exceptions ("2001").  It was Star Wars that moved Science Fiction movies into the mainstream.

 


 

I don't know if I qualify under your 30+ elite crowd, but I'm 28. I didn't see any of the original movies on the big screen, but I did see them on video years before the prequels came out. What I really liked most about the movies were the fight between the Jedi and Sith, which I knew relatively little about. Maybe it'd help if I said Jedi and Sith are so interesting to me, because it is based on Buddism, Samurai's, and Mideval Knights. Add on force powers and lightsabers and you have me hooked for life. So you see, people liked the movies for different reasons and assuming most liked it for this or that is ignorant, because neither of us could possibly know this. What we do know is that the majority of people who do game, prefer to play a Jedi or Sith.


 

You can't say this..............So you see, people liked the movies for different reasons and assuming most liked it for this or that is ignorant, because neither of us could possibly know this.

And then say this............What we do know is that the majority of people who do game, prefer to play a Jedi or Sith.

Personally I liked Hans Solo, I mean he was a smuggler that flew the Millenium Falcon. I mean I grew up on the original movies, how can you want to be a Jedi when Luke didn't even get the girl lol. The only girl he seemed interested in at the beggining turned out to be his sister oO.

The above and the TOR thing going on now has led me to believe that LA intentionaly ruined Indiana Jones because Lucas always saw himself as Luke and Hans took the lime light lol. Just my own personal conspiracy theory.

Bottom line is is I will agree with you that assuming most liked it for this or that is ignorant, because neither of us could possibly kn ow this. This includes "What we do know is that the majority of people who do game, prefer to play a Jedi or Sith." Most I knew wanted to be bounty hunters, I personaly wanted to be a smuggler, several I knew wanted to be strom troppers lol. I knew 2 that wanted to be Jedi's. Lets see out of 50-ish people I knew that were in to the game 2 wanted to be Jedi's the rest wanted to be anything else.

So no I can't say what the majority wanted to be, nor can you.

Anyways I am taking a pass on this game, I just can't do anymore themeparks. The rides have all started to feel the same and there are some nice looking sandbox's comming out. SWG was the one and only Sci-Fi MMO I found that I enjoyed atleast Pre-Cu, SW:TOR sounds like it will bring in a lot of what made me leave SWG so good luck to you guys and I hope some of you enjoy it. I liked living in the SW universe, I never enjoyed visiting the SW Themepark once in awhile, hopefuly some will understand what I mean by that.

  salvaje

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Figthing for Truth, Justice, and the Pre-CU way

11/05/08 11:42:16 AM#56

Luke did end up getting the girl in the end, unfortuantely, he didn't deserve her, my favorite EU character, Mara Jade.

 

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  JK-Kanosi

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11/05/08 12:09:13 PM#57
Originally posted by GrayGhost79


 

You can't say this..............So you see, people liked the movies for different reasons and assuming most liked it for this or that is ignorant, because neither of us could possibly know this.

And then say this............What we do know is that the majority of people who do game, prefer to play a Jedi or Sith.

Personally I liked Hans Solo, I mean he was a smuggler that flew the Millenium Falcon. I mean I grew up on the original movies, how can you want to be a Jedi when Luke didn't even get the girl lol. The only girl he seemed interested in at the beggining turned out to be his sister oO.

The above and the TOR thing going on now has led me to believe that LA intentionaly ruined Indiana Jones because Lucas always saw himself as Luke and Hans took the lime light lol. Just my own personal conspiracy theory.

Bottom line is is I will agree with you that assuming most liked it for this or that is ignorant, because neither of us could possibly kn ow this. This includes "What we do know is that the majority of people who do game, prefer to play a Jedi or Sith." Most I knew wanted to be bounty hunters, I personaly wanted to be a smuggler, several I knew wanted to be strom troppers lol. I knew 2 that wanted to be Jedi's. Lets see out of 50-ish people I knew that were in to the game 2 wanted to be Jedi's the rest wanted to be anything else.

So no I can't say what the majority wanted to be, nor can you.

Anyways I am taking a pass on this game, I just can't do anymore themeparks. The rides have all started to feel the same and there are some nice looking sandbox's comming out. SWG was the one and only Sci-Fi MMO I found that I enjoyed atleast Pre-Cu, SW:TOR sounds like it will bring in a lot of what made me leave SWG so good luck to you guys and I hope some of you enjoy it. I liked living in the SW universe, I never enjoyed visiting the SW Themepark once in awhile, hopefuly some will understand what I mean by that.


 

Umm, my opinion on what the majority wants to play comes from the "fact" that most people were grinding for Jedi in Pre-CU, CU, and most rolled Jedi in the NGE. Also, the huge following KoToR has that, gues what, revolved around Jedi characters. So yes, I can say that gamers, notice I said gamers, want to play a force user character.

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  ArcAngel3

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Momento Mori

 
OP  11/05/08 7:36:05 PM#58
Originally posted by GrandAm
Originally posted by salvaje
Originally posted by Obee

LEC in the late 80's to early 90's was pretty much where BioWare is today.  They had a great track record of making excellent games.  It makes you wonder what happened behind the scenes to change that.  Even more, it make you realize that just because a company has a history of making great games, it doesn't mean they always will.  Let's hope that BioWare doesn't take LEC's path, and if they do, let's hope they wait until after TOR to take it. 

 

Laziness happened.  That and the idiot Jim Ward.  When the prequel movies started coming out, LEC completely abandoned their non Star Wars franchises and just started releasing pieces of crap to go along with the movies.  Quality didn't matter, only release dates.  A lot of that filtered over to SWG.


 

You know...From my perspective it even started before the prequals.  I remember in 96 or 97 when the "enhanced" versions came out here in the U.S.A.

There was a local theater that played all three back to back.  I sat there hearing changed dialogue.  Speciffically with ESB and Darth Vader.  I sat and watched as Jabba was thrown into ANH.

It was in the mid 90's that things started to change as far as the franchise is concerned.  It is then (at least for me) that GL started selling out the SW brand beyond simple merchandise.

Something special I only saw again in CU (where I started) and has been lost to bad planning in almost all it's forms in the mid 90's.

In the prequals the main dialogue that I thought was good...  If not awsome was in the Coruscent theater where Palpatine really started to plant the seed of the Sith in the mind of Vader.  It all came from the actor that played Palpatine.  Not from Haden.  From the best of my knowledge he was the original from the RoTJ.  He did an awsome job.  To bad GL interfered beyond the original SW.  I wish he had remembered lessons learned from then and let somone else direct like ESB.  If he had done that,  I would have held those movies as something more than just emperical canon.  They just don't have the magic except for palpatine in the theater.

Also I really dislike how at the end seen of the "enhanced" RoTJ they decided to stick in Haden as a young Glowie.  Especially when Obi is old and so is Yoda.  More LA/GL ham-hazardness.  Unecessary and stupid.  Fully leaving me to believe GL has lost touch with what he created.

P.S. Darth Mull and Quigon were actually also cool.  I give that cradit to the actors.  Everything else look out.

IMO only =)

Heh, yeah I thought the same thing with some of the "special edition" changes.  The most infamous was the change to the shooting of Greedo.  

It was pretty obvious that the unspoken reason for the special editions was to get StarWars back into the mind of the public just before the release of the prequels.  It also showcased the new technology that would be used for special effects in the new films.  Unfortunately, they accomplished these objectives at the expense of the original story, which was publicly acclaimed as a masterpiece.

Fortunately, George did allow us access to the original trilogy by DVD.  More cash for LA, no doubt, but in this case money well spent.  

P.S. Yeah, Darth Maul and Qui Gon Jinn were very well played I think :).  Actually my favourite duel of all time was the one between Maul and young Obi Wan, after Qui Gon's death.  Man those guys really nailed that one.  The skill and emotion really made that something special.
 

  GrayGhost79

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11/05/08 8:42:59 PM#59
Originally posted by JK-Kanosi
Originally posted by GrayGhost79


 

You can't say this..............So you see, people liked the movies for different reasons and assuming most liked it for this or that is ignorant, because neither of us could possibly know this.

And then say this............What we do know is that the majority of people who do game, prefer to play a Jedi or Sith.

Personally I liked Hans Solo, I mean he was a smuggler that flew the Millenium Falcon. I mean I grew up on the original movies, how can you want to be a Jedi when Luke didn't even get the girl lol. The only girl he seemed interested in at the beggining turned out to be his sister oO.

The above and the TOR thing going on now has led me to believe that LA intentionaly ruined Indiana Jones because Lucas always saw himself as Luke and Hans took the lime light lol. Just my own personal conspiracy theory.

Bottom line is is I will agree with you that assuming most liked it for this or that is ignorant, because neither of us could possibly kn ow this. This includes "What we do know is that the majority of people who do game, prefer to play a Jedi or Sith." Most I knew wanted to be bounty hunters, I personaly wanted to be a smuggler, several I knew wanted to be strom troppers lol. I knew 2 that wanted to be Jedi's. Lets see out of 50-ish people I knew that were in to the game 2 wanted to be Jedi's the rest wanted to be anything else.

So no I can't say what the majority wanted to be, nor can you.

Anyways I am taking a pass on this game, I just can't do anymore themeparks. The rides have all started to feel the same and there are some nice looking sandbox's comming out. SWG was the one and only Sci-Fi MMO I found that I enjoyed atleast Pre-Cu, SW:TOR sounds like it will bring in a lot of what made me leave SWG so good luck to you guys and I hope some of you enjoy it. I liked living in the SW universe, I never enjoyed visiting the SW Themepark once in awhile, hopefuly some will understand what I mean by that.


 

Umm, my opinion on what the majority wants to play comes from the "fact" that most people were grinding for Jedi in Pre-CU, CU, and most rolled Jedi in the NGE. Also, the huge following KoToR has that, gues what, revolved around Jedi characters. So yes, I can say that gamers, notice I said gamers, want to play a force user character.


 

My opinion on it not being the majority comes from the "Fact" that the majority of those I knew did not.  I didn't play NGE though so I can't speak on that. I don't think many SW fans stayed after CU and NGE, just glowbat fans which is fine so I share the opinion that most after NGE wanted to be Jedi's can't for Pre-CU due to the fact I experienced the exact opposite of what you are saying.  Which means we will simply have to agree to disagree.

Now as far as the Mara Jade thing... I have trouble accepting anything other than the first 3 movies as SW. I don't bash anyone that accepts the rest but for me the rest is like High Lander 3 I just can't accept it as a part of the IP. Highlander 1,2, 4 and SW 4,5,6. Luke was the Jedi Back Street boy, Hans was more of a AC/DC kind of guy, One rocks and the other is a bit questionable on there sexuality oO. Yoda is bad arse though, he kind of gives a bit of kewlness to the Jedi but it wasn't the Fact that Yoda was a jedi that made him bad arse, Yoda was first and formost Bad to the bone and a Jedi secondly. He had that Zen like wisdom and a shroud of mystery.

Anyways if Luke got Mara in the first 3 movies I guess I forgot about it, can possibly chalk it up to selective memory lol, if it was after the first 3 movies then I just don't count it.

I mean honestly..... Luke was the Jedi chosen one..... Does he really make you want to be a Jedi? He reminds me a lot of I guess it was Squal in the FF series, one of the whineyest protagonists I ever saw. I mean you can even check how there careers went after SW. Harrison Ford had a booming career spanning many decades. Mark Hamilton I think did Watchers 3 after SW and that was it, or it's atleast all I can think of for the moment. Hans was the more of a protagonist than Luke to me, I may be the only one to feel that way though.

 

  jedijef

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Joined: 5/15/06
Posts: 27

11/05/08 8:52:35 PM#60
Originally posted by Tzimiscechi

 

If you liked the NGE, you'll love TOR.

-rejected Bioware sales pitch....

 

 

 

 

Bwahahahaha.  Gets my vote for post of the year.

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