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Azrile
Novice Member
Joined: 7/29/08
Any new or returning player to WOW, send me a PM for some help getting started. |
Originally posted by Jefferson81
What comment from Blizzard? Could you provide a hotlink please?
One of the Blizzard devs basically said that it is a bad sign when a game keeps up the NDA on a beta right up until release. MJ took this as a slam against himself ( I still think the Blizzard guy was talking more about AOC though). In Warhammer, only beta people playing from 1-20 were allowed to talk freely about the game, the people playing 21-40 weren't allowed to talk about it until after the official launch. After the Blizzard comment. MJ posted about 5 long posts on various boards.... all basically saying that the developers of one game should not slam on another game and crying about how people were picking on him. yadda yadda yadda.. and finished with the phrase you keep hearing.. where he basically said he was taking the gloves off against Blizzard. ................................................ |
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Completely false. Closed Beta NDA was raised from WAR about 4 weeks prior to launch. We were allowed to disclose everything we'd experienced in the beta, which included tiers 3-4 and end game (city sieges, king raids etc), and have been doing that on various fan forums since then. It is indeed a bad sign when closed beta NDA isn't raised. WAR however is, as far as MMOs go, quite polished and was able to raise the NDA to fuel the hype. May 19th I believe was the date it was lifted. You can easily verify this by Googling. |
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Not even close. Mark delivered whereas Brad didn't. Mark is still working hard on his game, he is passionate about it but I don't feel that is any reason to belittle him. He is doing what he has to do to get people excited about his product, and even though it has some issues, flaws and bugs its still a pretty damn good, solid and fun game. Brad and Mark have two completely different design philosophies as well as personalities. So not... not even close. |
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ronan32
 Apprentice Member
Joined: 8/19/05
I will never play an mmorpg with Microtransactions |
Originally posted by Wolfenpride
i bet you are even more horrible. |
Originally posted by ronan32
i bet you are even more horrible. I agree. Most likely he's awful too! |
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Originally posted by Jefferson81
What comment from Blizzard? Could you provide a hotlink please?
Here's a good summary of the back and forth between Jacobs / WAR and WoW recently. Kaplan of WoW came out and said a few fairly common sense things (IMO), Jacobs responds with a few broadsides. It was a nerd slap fight. Also, the comment about NDAs came from Jacob's himself. He made a comment about rating games by how fair ahead of launch the NDA lifts, then got smacked by the irony of being judged by those same standards that indicated Mythic had about "the minimum score you should expect from a MMO publisher" for WAR. As for Jacobs is McQuaid: no. There is evidence that McQuaid drove Vangard into the ground through mismanagement, while Jacobs appears to be working hard on getting things moving (albeit often in the wrong direction). Both may be egotistical bastards, but I think the lead dev for any studio needs a hide like rhino skin to survive all the scrutiny. |
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Originally posted by Ixnatifual The NDA on the elder servers wasn't lifted at that point. So the basic game had its NDA lifted, but not the advanced stuff at the end. |
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Originally posted by UnSub The NDA on the elder servers wasn't lifted at that point. So the basic game had its NDA lifted, but not the advanced stuff at the end.
With good reason. WARs endgame is not just pathetic. It's just plain out not there. Raid to get a armor and then kill the bossyboi... Pathetic.. MJ you are a crook as fare as I am concerned. And I am out of your scam empty game. bye. |
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Originally posted by CobraSolidus
say the guy with a photo of Mcain as avater... |
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Depends on what you mean by "advanced stuff at the end". The primary "big end-game things", like city sieges and king battles, for example, was legal to disclose. Some high-end 6-man dungeon, for instance, which was untested prior to Elder Beta, wasn't. One of the really good things about the WAR closed beta NDA lift is that it showed people that they had the major end-game content in the game, ready and tested, something many other games (WoW being a good example) didn't manage until months after release. |
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Just a question of time before even the blind "see" that the emperor has no clothes. |
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The Emperor was fully armoured when we fought him in the beta during a city raid, and when I visited him in Altdorf the other day on my Warrior Priest this didn't seem to have changed. |
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Originally posted by Kyleran I agree. |
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More important question. How does SaltyBogey know his bogey's are salty? And should we be taking discussion pointers from such a person? |
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Kurush
 Novice Member
Joined: 6/17/04
Bob the Cat says, |
Originally posted by SaltyBogey
Brad McQuaid's problem was that he was too hands off, if anything. Read some of the postmortems for Sigil that were written by former staff. Brad didn't ruin Vanguard. He wasn't even there for most of its development. He was too busy hyping it up and trying to run the business side of things. If anything, it would have benefited if he had actually helped to make the game, since Sigil's main problem was its moronic upper-middle management, from what I saw. Instead, Brad got too caught up with his vision. He didn't even realize the game wasn't going to deliver nearly what he wanted, that it was actually going to be crap. Brad is kinda close to Garriot, in that regard. Both men were former legends who took a largely hands off role in developing games that ultimately wouldn't live up to their hype. I don't think they're really bad for it. They're just people who performed better in a design role than a production role. If you want to look at somebody who made actual strategic decisions which lead to a game's outright collapse, look at Bill Roper. He's still a good guy, though. With the exception of one or two people, everybody at Flagship had good things to say about him when they left. Shit, he liquidated his pension to help pay his employees one more month. Can you imagine giving up all of your retirement funds just to give your employees one more month of safety, especially in this kind of economic environment? There aren't really that many villains in the games industry. It's mostly people who make serious mistakes with the best of intentions. Mark Jacobs does have a problem. He really does need to shut his mouth a bit about other studios. I'd say the same thing about Blizzard. Ok, your games are pretty solid. Even with WAR's serious problems, and it does have many, it's the third-smoothest AAA launch we've seen in recent memory (LotRO was probably the smoothest, followed by WoW). Who gives a shit? Nobody is perfect. Even Wrath is going to launch with bugs. There are about a half-dozen major bugs in my class alone which you have to use weird workarounds to even have them playable.
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Originally posted by UnSub
Here's a good summary of the back and forth between Jacobs / WAR and WoW recently. Kaplan of WoW came out and said a few fairly common sense things (IMO), Jacobs responds with a few broadsides. It was a nerd slap fight. Also, the comment about NDAs came from Jacob's himself. He made a comment about rating games by how fair ahead of launch the NDA lifts, then got smacked by the irony of being judged by those same standards that indicated Mythic had about "the minimum score you should expect from a MMO publisher" for WAR. As for Jacobs is McQuaid: no. There is evidence that McQuaid drove Vangard into the ground through mismanagement, while Jacobs appears to be working hard on getting things moving (albeit often in the wrong direction). Both may be egotistical bastards, but I think the lead dev for any studio needs a hide like rhino skin to survive all the scrutiny.
A few fairly common sense things? Dude, you are freaking bias. Forget about Mythic, if say Richard Garriott or Raph Koster come to a famous media outlet and said he was bored out of his skull and thinking of quitting WoW at level 30 because of the horrible gear grind and raiding over and over again. What do you think Blizzard will react? Of course, there is no significant gear grind at level 30, it is a issue but for a much later level. If someone take it blow it out of proportion in a major media outlet to make you look bad, would you react to it? You see, this Kaplan dude, who used to be guild leader for one of the most hardcord raiding guild in Everquest history. He's now WOW game director came out to a major media outlet and complain about leveling being too slow at level 13 to the point he want to quit, what do you think people gonna react? Give me a freaking break, a dude lead a guild which has rules if you don't wake your ass up and drag it to the raid at 3am in the morning on time, you got your ass kicked from the guild came out and said leveling is slow at level 13. I don't think MJ could do any different in this situation. If he did not respond, EA suits will question him why didn't he respond? |
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Originally posted by Netspook
Love it! Wery well said and anyone arguing simply forgot Brad. |
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No , not even close. |
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Originally posted by UnSub
Too bad his skin is more like 8 years old white QQ kid. Comparing MMOs with burger companies-the epitome of logic. |
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To the OP. It's been a month since launch, has Mythic closed down their studio and sent all their employees out to the parking lot to fire them? No? Then MJ has done a better job with WAR than McQuaid did with Vanguard. Originally posted by Kurush
Sorry but McQuaid should have at least had the decency to face all those people in that parking lot when they were fired instead of relying on his cronies to do the dirty work. It doesn't matter if he got 'caught up in his vision' or not. He was still in charge and he should have faced the consequences. The fact that he avoided facing those people because he 'felt bad' is inexcusable. |
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MJ strikes again. Would you belive it, he now claims that WAR is a success and that retention rates are like in the +70% on the VN boards. Absolutely hillarious Xfire numbers, BS or not (I guess most poll people would argue not): www.xfire.com/games/who/Warhammer_Online_Age_of_Reckoning/ show that gameingtreand is down like -60% from 4 weeks back (This tuesday 18470, tuesday 4 weeks ago 45060) . Say what you want, but this is new record, no other game in history have had a steeper drop. Not even Vanguard!! So wake up and lets be honest to ourselves instead of continuing that "hey I am mister communicator, so honest and your MMO buddy". MJ in my eyes you are bordeline Hoax. Talk less and get your shit together or I am also out of here (in spite of WAR not being too bad). |
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Originally posted by ScamMan
would you believe it, someone thinks the majority of the gaming population uses xfire. i dont and almost no one i played with in EQ1 through WAR uses it and thats over a 9 year period of MMO gaming. I played WAR, didnt care for it enough to keep playing but stop acting like xfire means jack shit. |
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Originally posted by Kurush I agree 100% |
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Looking at AOC in old posts - they are down from 95k at release to 3.3k - so lost 96% of their player base in 6 months. Which means they must have like 30,000 players left. I would say thats far worse than WAR or any other game in history. |
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Originally posted by _Shadowmage
First of all I did not say WAR lost -60%, I said Xfire trend went down -60% in 4 weeks. After that I say no other game over the last years (at least since I have started using it) has had such a violent drop. Absolutely none. No game ever have had -60% is 4 weeks, Vanguard NO, AoC NO, Hellgate London NO, and so on... And then finally I am saying, I doubt that -60% is a particularly good sign, in particukar when they merge servers now and are supposed to see increased activity. The all time record of -60% in 4 weeks is a bad omen.
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