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Pezhead
Novice Member
Joined: 9/03/08
If it ain''t got killing, it ain''t a real video game. |
11/03/08 1:58:25 AM#141
You are very correct, it's about trying new things. However, if a company creates a radical new game with super intensive graphics coupled with hack and slash game mechanics and speed in addition to collision systems and a free roaming world with thousands of players in large scale real time battles, well... theres a high probability this game will not do so well. Now the thing is that companies ARE improving, but due to limitations on current technology, they have to improve certain parts at a slower pace. Not everyone has a computer powerful enough to run age of conan, not everyone has the connection speed to run darkfall, not everyone has the state of mind to enjoy the "DIsney-esque" art style of Aion, not everyone has... you get the idea. So Games are improving slowly.
Aion does not intend to be a super revolutionary never before seen out of this world game. It is taking concepts already stamped witha mark of approval and improving them. People like graphics and pretty scenery? Alright, we'll give you cryengine 1 graphics, its not crysis but its better than WoW. You like pvp? How bout large scale siege battles for controllable Guild territory coupled with an unpredictable third NPC fation. You like flying? We'll give you wings AND we'll give you flying COMBAT! You like character customization? We'll give you the best character creator ever seen in an MMORPG. You like story mode? We'll give ya a growth based linear storyline with ingame cutscenes accompanied by traditional MMO quests. Don't like grind? We'll bring it down to a "WoW level" grind just for you. Are any of these concepts new to us? Nah, I've seen every one in a game in some form or other... hell you can find most of them in a single game. It's almost 2010, and I am just not wiling to tolerate clunky graphics while being told that "gameplay is more important than graphics". That excuse won't wash with me any more. I expect my games to have both good graphics and good gameplay. |
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11/03/08 3:30:11 AM#142
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
They may end up with lag issue's, least they were brave enough to try. On paper DarkFalls answer to lag seems pretty sound, this of course is just on paper and we will have to wait and see. The Dev playing it live infront of the crowd seem to run pretty smooth though as did the 17 minute in game footage they showed, however it still is a wait and see. The point is though just because something may be difficult to try does that mean they should not try? I mean Aion is trying to be a East meets West type of MMO, this isn't done and seems like it may have been a hard thing to accomplish in the beggining, should they have not tried? Yes it may not work, but then again it has a chance to. Do we want more of the same, or do we want them to try and push the bar is what it boils down to.
Wether the technologies are ready or not? Trying that is yet to be seen, you always take something away in order to push technologies further, AOC channeled everything placing a limit in their battles, Aiming worked relatively well but it had to pay its price. TCoS is about 8v8 or something like that from what I read in a recent post, can't really tell since I've not followed that game for a while, Darkfall is yet to be seen, sounds good on paper though, but it's quite hard to believe for someone experienced in MMORPGs as I consider myself. Balancing massiveness and advanced aiming, I stay with massiveness. |
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11/03/08 5:39:57 AM#143
Originally posted by Pezhead
i actually think that aion is going to beat aoc in graphics theyve said for a while its going to be the most graphichly rich mmo on the market and yea your roght their not trying to be super revolutionary the point brought in the beginning was if aion did try a combat system like darkfalls or tcos btw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xu4rBDeZTM theres darkfall in action edit : because if they did try a combat system like that this game would like i said earlier be hands down the number one game coming out. I mean i bet if i posted a poll for most anticipated games the majority would vote for darkfall or tcos because those are really anticipated because of their combat systems and aion already has a lot of anticapation dont get me wrong but it would have even more. Also it really is about mmo companies just trying and seeing what happens and thats what darkfall and tcos and about lag i know their planning for the worst and they probably already have some solutions to the problems. but like some people also said it might be too late for aion to incorporate a whole ne combat system especially with the amount of graphical detail in the game but its just and idea....
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11/03/08 7:29:40 AM#144
Originally posted by redrum666er
*sarcasm*Thank you for your intelligent and insightful post.*sarcasm*
Yeah, I was thinking the same things  |
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11/03/08 8:30:18 AM#145
Originally posted by kingbarth
Um, the last FPS I had on my computer had click to attack. And the one before that. And the one before that. Could you please explain this concept? I spend lots of time clicking on my enemies to kill them in FPS games. In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. -Thomas Jefferson |
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11/03/08 10:04:13 AM#146
Originally posted by Sharajat
Um, the last FPS I had on my computer had click to attack. And the one before that. And the one before that. Could you please explain this concept? I spend lots of time clicking on my enemies to kill them in FPS games.
i mean like in fps you aim then click unlike in mmos where u just click buttons with exception of darkfall and tcos...... thats what i ment also edited my other post from earlier ^^^^ |
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11/03/08 10:35:13 AM#147
Originally posted by Neyon
Oh that was priceless. :P On the RvR thing and Spellborn, TCoS originally was supposed to have big RvR combat, but it just didn't work and now they are doing this 8v8 thing for now, maybe forever. I have huge doubts about that game, and they are only a bit smaller then my doubts about DF. I'm not really sure that they will do all that well, I kinda put them in the Ryzom category, great ideas, it will have a launch with loyal but small fan base and will probably have an uphill battle trying to stay alive with a lot of their promised features pushed to the back burner. I hope I'm wrong, but this is exactly why I switched from Spellborn fandom to Aion. At least in Aion I know for sure the game will be good enough for me and will release with a good dev team behind it. (,,,)=^__^=(,,,)Game Latte Vidcast |
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11/03/08 10:51:47 AM#148
I can personally look passed the art style (which im not a fan of at all) and from what ive seen, this game looks like a wow clone with a new skin, super shiny elf graphics, mixed with Final Fantasty or L2. Im not sure if you can say ive done my "homework" as people call it but i am not impressed as of yet buy this game. So to answer the OPs question - its VERY easy to call Aion "just another Asian grinder" because it "looks" just like one. Maybe your right and its super fun. ill play it i have no bias on what companies make games and i dont go "blah blah blah i hate EA/SOE/blizzard because they made a game". Also about all the people you quoted..i dont think thats gunna sway anyone. i could are less about what mmorpg, the escapist , MMOsite, editors have to say about it really. Maybe im totally right or maybe im gunna be eating my words but its just very VERY easy to catagorize it. |
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Pezhead
Novice Member
Joined: 9/03/08
If it ain''t got killing, it ain''t a real video game. |
11/03/08 11:07:46 AM#149
A little off topic... but HEY CYNTHE! What's up? Aionsource has been gettin' a little slow recently(IMO) so i thought i'd visit MMORPG.com to see what was up here. Also, Ephimero, do you have an account on Aionsource? It's almost 2010, and I am just not wiling to tolerate clunky graphics while being told that "gameplay is more important than graphics". That excuse won't wash with me any more. I expect my games to have both good graphics and good gameplay. |
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11/03/08 11:24:58 AM#150
Originally posted by cooms
See, this is ecactly what I mean about people not actually researching the game. At least your honest enough to say that you havent done your "homework" before calling it "just another grinder". I even called it that when I first saw it, I also said it was a rip off of wow and FFXI because those are the only two games I play and yes I even said the shiny graphics can't sway me but after extensive searching and reading I have been proven wrong. This game is FAR from a grinder and though it may look like FFXI with the art and wow with the interface/play settup, It's still a fresh concept. Ok, lets just say thats all that was new with this game, lets say it ripped off FFXI and wow....heck I'm in love already lol. A game that looks and feels like FFXI but plays like wow, personaly is a gamer like myself, dream come true. I don't think WoW is a grinder at all and I love playing it but when I came to WoW I thought "This game looks too cartoony".
Aion has don'e ALOT more than what has been mention, I believe in the saying "In the mouth of two or three witnesses every word shall be established" and as mentioned in an earlier post; it has a strong team behind it for support, it's as if everything is being thought of before we could pin point mistakes, I respect your conservitive views though, and that of others as well but lets not pin the "just another grinder" tag on it until it has been given a chance :) Never-the-less; I guess it's like burger king "Have it your way" and hold out until everyone has tried it, then you will have all these people to ask help once you log in lol, jk.
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11/03/08 11:34:41 AM#151
Originally posted by Scripture1
And, you know that because you are in Closed Beta or something? "but lets not pin the "IT'S A GREAT GAME" tag on it until it has been given a chance" Fixed that for you.
Mindlessly calling a game "just another Asian Grinder" is just as bad as calling that game "ITS A GREAT GAME" (nothing personal intended, just an example) |
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11/03/08 12:15:11 PM#152
Originally posted by Nickless_man
And, you know that because you are in Closed Beta or something? "but lets not pin the "IT'S A GREAT GAME" tag on it until it has been given a chance" Fixed that for you.
Mindlessly calling a game "just another Asian Grinder" is just as bad as calling that game "ITS A GREAT GAME" (nothing personal intended, just an example) Well actually no I'm not in a close beta (I could only wish) but the foundation of my comments were based upon me spending much of my free time instead of loggin on to my WoW, doing searches endlessly on the game :). Doesn't really matter how I know that by the way, since it's my personal opinion and personal opinions places no obligations of conformity on anyone. Thanks for fixing my typo's, that happens when I'm posting during my lunch break and have to get back to work fast w/o proof reading. Hey I found a heck of a lot more posts with errors in them too, I'm sure we can find more for you to "Fix". I'm done what I was doing earlier so we can take the time to search together....NAH Mindlessly calling a game "just another grinder" is not as bad as saying "IT'S A GREAT GAME" when my speculations are purely based upon what I have read, watched and heard over an extended period of time (over a year). When you call a game just another grinder based upon other games then THAT is what you call "Mindless" (nothing personal intended, just an example) |
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11/03/08 12:33:35 PM#153
Originally posted by Pezhead
Hey Pez, I'm not on the source that much because it's so big honestly and this forum is much easier to reply to on a break. On aionsource I could waste hours browsing, which isn't a bad thing I just don't have the time. I come and go there, while I'm mostly here. ;) (,,,)=^__^=(,,,)Game Latte Vidcast |
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11/03/08 2:22:22 PM#154
Originally posted by cooms
ok please there is no way this is and will ever be a wow clone in any way and yes uve definatley not done your "homework" wows graphics and style are so horrible compared to aion and the only thing this game will ever have like wow is literally levels... |
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11/03/08 2:25:10 PM#155
Originally posted by Nickless_man
And, you know that because you are in Closed Beta or something? "but lets not pin the "IT'S A GREAT GAME" tag on it until it has been given a chance" Fixed that for you.
Mindlessly calling a game "just another Asian Grinder" is just as bad as calling that game "ITS A GREAT GAME" (nothing personal intended, just an example)
sorry if this sounds smartassish but its called research..... it is a great game and its shaping up to be even better than great just read around at all the sites/blogs that have tried it |
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11/03/08 4:26:16 PM#156
Originally posted by kingbarth
sorry if this sounds smartassish but its called research..... it is a great game and its shaping up to be even better than great just read around at all the sites/blogs that have tried it
Research. Isn't that what players did while waiting for AoC and WAR? Only some closed beta players and trolls (by luck) saw those titles for what they truly are. Doing research doesn't mean anything. As for the blogs, well, lets just say Tortage was also great when various sites and blogs tried AoC out. Everyone is entited to their own opinion of course. |
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Pezhead
Novice Member
Joined: 9/03/08
If it ain''t got killing, it ain''t a real video game. |
11/03/08 6:19:38 PM#157
Nick, you do indeed have a point. Aion is going through a similar stage as to when AoC and WAR were in about a year ago. And the truth is there is NO way for us to know anything that we have seen will be set in stone until we get the full version ourselves. BUT! What i see in Aion is it isn't aiming as high as AoC or WAR, it is trying to create a niche for itself in the overppulated MMORPG gaming community using preistablished concepts and ideas and making them better. Personally, I really like the underhype that Aion is getting in NA, it means we don't have to worry as much about 10 year olds, and complete asswads who have to play the popular games. This also leaves room for a sleeper hit and if the game doesn't deliver on all it's promises... well, it won't be as criticized because there are "BIGGER" games out there right now. From what we know so far and have seen, the majority of the promises the dev's have made have been fulfilled-for beta- and a few more as well. Originally, flying combat wasn't even in the game, but after the first showcase of the game in '06, people-that is gamers- demanded flying combat, so the Aion devs took the game back to the drawing board and after 5 months, Aion's Flying combat system was born... now that is something that you don't hear about from your 10 a day run of the mill asian grinding free to play MMOS-in fact, it's uncommon in any GAME let alone an MMO. Again, we will have to wait for the full versian, but hey, i've got my fingers AND toes crossed for this to be the game of the decade. It's almost 2010, and I am just not wiling to tolerate clunky graphics while being told that "gameplay is more important than graphics". That excuse won't wash with me any more. I expect my games to have both good graphics and good gameplay. |
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11/03/08 6:25:16 PM#158
Originally posted by Nickless_man
sorry if this sounds smartassish but its called research..... it is a great game and its shaping up to be even better than great just read around at all the sites/blogs that have tried it
Research. Isn't that what players did while waiting for AoC and WAR? Only some closed beta players and trolls (by luck) saw those titles for what they truly are. Doing research doesn't mean anything. As for the blogs, well, lets just say Tortage was also great when various sites and blogs tried AoC out. Everyone is entited to their own opinion of course.
Small difference, AoC and WAR used NDA, Aion hasn''t used it. It's way easier to make an opinion of a game if you don't rely exclusively on dev-spoonfed information. It's a great game, and I've tested it, does it hold any weight now? I'm afraid it doesn't, however, I do think so, and I have my arguments to think so. Read my posts if you're interested on them. |
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11/04/08 7:24:26 AM#159
Originally posted by Ephimero
Research. Isn't that what players did while waiting for AoC and WAR? Only some closed beta players and trolls (by luck) saw those titles for what they truly are. Doing research doesn't mean anything. As for the blogs, well, lets just say Tortage was also great when various sites and blogs tried AoC out. Everyone is entited to their own opinion of course.
Small difference, AoC and WAR used NDA, Aion hasn''t used it. It's way easier to make an opinion of a game if you don't rely exclusively on dev-spoonfed information. It's a great game, and I've tested it, does it hold any weight now? I'm afraid it doesn't, however, I do think so, and I have my arguments to think so. Read my posts if you're interested on them. Thank you Ephimero, that is a breath of fresh air seeing a beta tester of the game post like you did, Btw, Nick you keep comparing this game to AoC and WAR. Henceforth the reason why your view is so limited. This game may have similar atributes but that (I believe) is so we wouldn't have to spend most of our time trying to figure out how to play an mmo all over again, why re-invent the wheel. It is in a class to itself and (in my personal opinion) NOT to be classified as a rip-off of any other game. I doubt anyone would take four years or so to just make a game that is a rip-off of another. I dunno if you really wanted to chat about Aion though, I think you just wanted to correct my spelling lol dno't wrry' me wil xpel beter nex tyme four yoo. |
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11/04/08 9:00:52 AM#160
Originally posted by Scripture1 Thank you Ephimero, that is a breath of fresh air seeing a beta tester of the game post like you did, Btw, Nick you keep comparing this game to AoC and WAR. Henceforth the reason why your view is so limited. This game may have similar atributes but that (I believe) is so we wouldn't have to spend most of our time trying to figure out how to play an mmo all over again, why re-invent the wheel. It is in a class to itself and (in my personal opinion) NOT to be classified as a rip-off of any other game. I doubt anyone would take four years or so to just make a game that is a rip-off of another. I dunno if you really wanted to chat about Aion though, I think you just wanted to correct my spelling lol dno't wrry' me wil xpel beter nex tyme four yoo.
First of all, this is the first time that i ever compared AoC or WAR to another game. Second of all, if you take a look at my sig, you'll see that I also am waiting (aka looking forward to) Aion. Finally, "I doubt anyone would take four years or so to just make a game that is a rip-off of another", I think you should take a look at MMO history a little closer. Also, I don't think there is a need to repeat my original point.
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