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Originally posted by Thunderous
Go to Sweden.. Its a Socialist country and the healthcare is is awsome.. Prescriptions are cheep and doctors are 25 dollars to go see.. Of course taxes are higher.. But honestly I dont see a diffrence in quality of life at all and before someone goes off on the "OMG SOCIALISM IS COMUNISIM!!" kick.. They are nothing alike. Go study some economics.. OH almost forgot I'm American and voted for Obama via absentee ballot :) Not nessisarly because of health care issues.. But because he is the better of the two canidates..
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deviliscious
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Joined: 11/09/07
"Adjusts ponytails and pulls the lollipop out of my mouth" |
SAY YES TO HEALTHCARE REFORM! SAY NO TO OBAMA"S PLAN! I agree we have a healthcare crisis, what I strongly disagree on is that Obama's plan is the right solution. As I see both plans I think they treat symptoms and not the actual problem. I have a different perspective on this from working in the medical field and my sister also works in the medical field as an immunologist working for pharmaceuticals. I don't think either Obama or McCain grasp the real problems here that is why they do not offer good solutions. If we really wanted to fix healthcare in the US we would first start with our pharmaceutical industry. We need to regulate this industry. We need to hold them more accountable for their actions. It is a crime against humanity to spend lavishly and frivolous at the expense of people not being able to afford their medications needed to save their lives. At most our pharmaceutical companies spend 25% on research and development. Most companies come no where near that amount, they are closer to 5-15%. The rest of their budget is mainly spent on advertising and catering to doctors offices in an attempt to bribe doctors to script their medications. This needs to be stopped. That is the true reason your grandmother cannot afford her heat medicine, and it is disgusting. When I worked in the clinic, the pharmaceutical reps came by daily bringing lavish meals costing hundreds of dollars each time, they literally spent thousands of dollars trying to bribe our doctors. Our doctors though refused to speak with them, touch their food or deal with these people at all, no at our clinic I was told to take every bit of free medicine they had in their case and put it in a box for the doctors to take to the free clinic where the reps refused to go. My sister in laws father builds custom cabinets, he told me how he had to put in these $30,000 custom cabinets into a home that was owned by a pharmaceutical company. The guy who had him do the job came out after he had installed them and said he didn't like the color ... so he then paid an additional $30,000 to pay for him to totally redo the job. Well Since he was in a crunch to get this job done by the deadline since he had to do it twice, the guy showed up just as he was finishing, and the guy grabbed a bag of clothes toothpaste and personal items from a closet in the house, (this house was vacant that he was working on). So of course he asked what that was all about .. and the guy informed him that he doesn;t own the house, that it is actually a house owned by the pharmaceutical company, that when they have doctors come into town to do write ups for their products, they get to stay in the house, pick out all new furniture, they totally remodel it to their tastes and the company provides for anything and everything the doctor might need. THIS IS WHY OUR MEDICINE COSTS SO MUCH. My sister who is an immunologist working for a pharmaceutical company in California actually makes medications. She has told me that we should not take any medications unless you really can't live without it. Unless you really have to have it it is better not to take anything at all, and to let your immune system do it's job. She has told me that just in her lab alone, they have made many medications that work better than most the products on the market, but that is the problem, the companies do not want to make medications to make us well, no they want to make medications that we have to keep taking so that it is more profitable for them. It is not a matter of a medication being too expensive to produce, no instead it has to be something you have to buy more of. If they create a medication that is a one time fix, the company will not market it. This is why they try to give you so much medication. Now how to we address the pharmaceutical companies to put a stop to this madness? well we pass regulations on them 3. regulate the price gouging that is currently taking place in the industry and put a stop to the excessive spending. drive down the costs of medications the same way we drive down our food costs, do not allow them to charge more than double the cost to produce the medication. how to do this? 2. open the market for more competition, allow for crossing of state lines so that people can choose from any company or policy they want. This will drive costs down for policies. 3. add regulation on price gouging, fair policies to individuals and groups, lowering the costs. 4. add regulation to require insurance companies to see whatever doctor they choose, so they will not be forced into the ER when they need a doctor quickly for something non life threatening. How to do this: 2. Any person who wishes to become a nurse or medical assistant can do so for free for a certain number of years service at the free clinics. 3. Require all doctors to accept all insurance and medicaid and those unable to pay if they have a serious condition. Yes in order to be a doctor in the US, you would have to never turn anyone away do to their insurance or medicaid, or inability to pay. If they are unable to pay they must have their social security card and drivers license on them and it will be a claim sent to the government to investigate, ( yes they will receive an IRS audit) if they are truly unable to pay it off, the government will foot the bill, but they have to meet requirements otherwise it is added to their taxes. ( this keeps those that are able to pay from leeching the system) If they are unable to pay the full amount, but can pay it off, then we instead of having " free healthcare" we have a system where they have to make payments to the government, and the government works out a payment plan they can afford. Yes instead of doctors offices and hospitals financing this, the government finances this, and they pay the government instead. What many do not understand that these hospitals are already writing these off to the government, but as it stands since the government does not attempt to collect the debt themselves, the hospitals are left to do this. Add these payments to their taxes every year until it is paid off rather than just have bottomless pit of money going down the drain. This would be much less expensive than trying to provide "universal healthcare" as proposed by the government, it truly fixes the problems with medicaid, insurance, doctors bills, and companies. The government will actually have money comming in for this, rather than having everyone else pay for it. Most people would still want insurance because they would provide for better services for life threatening and nonlife threatening conditions, and you would not receive an IRS audit. Under government pay plan it would only provide for life threatening conditions, not routine visits. Limiting No pay care to only life threatening treatment would reduce the costs on the current system because currently we have seen an abuse of medicaid for everything from a nose bleed to a cold. With no insurance it should only cover what is necessary, not what is comfortable. Further reading on the subject:
Beyond Advertising: The Pharmaceutical Industry's Hidden Marketing Tactics Big Pharma Spends More On Advertising Than Research And Development, Study Finds Drug Advertising Skyrockets www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/02/13/health/main329293.shtml Drug giants accused over doctors' perksFree flights, meals and match tickets can damage patient care, say critics |
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International Socialism = McCain Local Socialism = Obama
would you rather distribute your tax dollars over seas, or within the US? Thats pretty much the difference in a nut shell.  "You act like daffodil picking dwarves are anywhere out of the ordinary..."-Laura "Taera" Genender 2008 |
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So how does this all relate to MMOs????
Healthcare in MMOs are all provided for free from the "state." Orcs have their healing shamans, Humans their Priests, etc. THIS is something we DEMAND in our games. Could you imagine not being able to be rez'd b/c you died without any cash on you? Perhaps you just spent all your gold on that sweet new glowy sword and whooops, you happen to fall off the roof of a house that you were showing the adoring masses your sword to. Oh NOES! DEAD. However, there is the ability to bring you back, too bad you're broke and poor as hell. Oh well, kiss that guy goodbye.
Nope instead for a MINIMUM cost, or no cost at all, the ruling forces of the game have instituted a system that EVERYONE can enjoy. Instead of rotting on the cobblestones you're given a new life, new reconstructed body, hell, they even scrape your corpse off the streets, don't pilfer any of your sweet loots and give it all back to you. Imagine the outrage if you were treated the same way in the game as you are in American Health care.
Just to point out: ANY time you tax someone or give tax breaks, whether it is the poor, rich, middle class, whatever, you are REDISTRIBUTING money. Calling obama a socialist b/c he wants to RECIND the Bush tax cuts for the top 1.5% of america is just plain idiotic. There are so many facts, and we only choose to look at a few. Might wanna rethink your argument. |
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deviliscious
Hard Core Member
Joined: 11/09/07
"Adjusts ponytails and pulls the lollipop out of my mouth" |
Originally posted by Rayx0r
That is complete BS. Obama has already promised Kenya more money if he wins .. |
Originally posted by deviliscious
That is complete BS. Obama has already promised Kenya more money if he wins ..
That sounded kinda racist.
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Originally posted by tillamook
That sounded kinda racist. Obama is BY FAR the bigger fascist. It's not even close. |
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deviliscious
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Joined: 11/09/07
"Adjusts ponytails and pulls the lollipop out of my mouth" |
Originally posted by tillamook
That sounded kinda racist.
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Originally posted by Fishermage
That sounded kinda racist. Obama is BY FAR the bigger fascist. It's not even close.
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deviliscious
Hard Core Member
Joined: 11/09/07
"Adjusts ponytails and pulls the lollipop out of my mouth" |
Originally posted by Fishermage
That sounded kinda racist. Obama is BY FAR the bigger fascist. It's not even close. I agree with that 110% lol. |
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deviliscious
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Joined: 11/09/07
"Adjusts ponytails and pulls the lollipop out of my mouth" |
Originally posted by tillamook McCains daughter:
Yup his daughter that he has kept away from the press because he didn;t want her attacked again. I have heard his daughter speak up on this, there is alot of love in that family, He loves and cares for his daughter very much, but yea he is just some old white racisist ... uh huh... |
Originally posted by deviliscious
That sounded kinda racist.
See! That’s a racist comment, it's like saying, well I know black people, so that means I'm cool with them lol. Its called unintentional racism. See being mixed raised in a white family I can look at it from any angle, and I think that was a pretty racist thing to say.
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Originally posted by tillamook Obama is BY FAR the bigger fascist. It's not even close.
Actually, Fascism has its roots in late 19th century progressivism, and promoted itself as a "third way" between communism and capitalism. It was hostile to both free markets and communism. It had little to do with racism as such, although there have been racists who were fascists. Whoever taught you that fascism has its roots in racism did you a disservice. That's just plain false. It is nationalistic (check -- paying taxes is called "patriotism by his campaign, and it is full of the "spend money at home rather than abroad -- pure fascist thinking), isolationist (meaning anti-free trade, check), and untrusting of laissez-faire economics (check). Sounds like Obama. McCain is certainly not a racist, nor are his supporters. I have no idea where you get that idea. By the way I don't even like McCain, I just prefer honesty and knowledge in political discussions rather than BS and ignorance. |
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deviliscious
Hard Core Member
Joined: 11/09/07
"Adjusts ponytails and pulls the lollipop out of my mouth" |
Originally posted by tillamook
See! That’s a racist comment, it's like saying, well I know black people, so that means I'm cool with them lol. Its called unintentional racism. See being mixed raised in a white family I can look at it from any angle, and I think that was a pretty racist thing to say.
How is that racist? that is discriptive, not racists. That is total BS. Is it racists when my friend calls me the "skinny white girl" no it is not. Is it racists when I say "you stayed out in the sun too long you got burned" when joking with my friends after they say I need to go get a tan? No, You are exactly the kind of person that causes issues , because honestly the rest of us could care less how dark someone's tan is. You sir, are "overly sensitive" and need to " lighten up!" lol was that racists too? ROFL! you are soo hung up on this race nonsense you are "colorblind" of the issues at hand here. |
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Dracus
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Joined: 7/14/04
"Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars." |
Originally posted by deviliscious Well I do agree about the prescription medications... RLS, Restless Leg Syndrome has a prescription medication?!? And then there are of those side-effects that are not provided on the label of advertisement, rather, to ask one's doctor for further side-effects. After side-effects that could lead to death is not good to mention for marketing. Errr, I think I'll stop there, prescription medications are another topic.
But I do have a question to ask to you, since you work in the industry. How would a compromise of sorts with Universal Health Care and Private Health Care work in the basic terms (I can understand there would be some details to hash out), of where Universal is for Diagnostics and Private for Treatment? The goal being where the Government can subsidize the costs of the tests, therefore allowing for more tests to be done. Once the problem(s) have been figured out, treatment could be done through Private means. And that is why... Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness. |
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deviliscious
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Joined: 11/09/07
"Adjusts ponytails and pulls the lollipop out of my mouth" |
Originally posted by Dracus
I am against " universal healthcare" No instead we fix the private industry and improve existing programs. I don't think that is possible for all typoes of situations simply because treatment is alot more expensive than diagnostics, rather than have "universal anything" those that can afford to pay, do pay and those that cannot afford to pay still get treatment but it is determined by an IRS audit whether or not they receive a government payment plan or the government foots the bill. I think that having the IRS investigate and if they walk into someones home that claims they can't pay and they are all sitting pretty with their Big screen, big rims on their car and a pocket full of cash... I think the government has every right to take that as payment if necessary. |
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Dracus
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Joined: 7/14/04
"Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars." |
I can see that point, though I wonder how the IRS would investigate Illeagal Aliens for free health-care. I guess then those people would not be entitled. Works for me. And that is why... Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness. |
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Yeah it makes sense that the more hardcore MMO players would turn democratic since they loose all creativity and motivation for career and work. What losers. |
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Originally posted by crysomore
Lol you actually believe the stuff that comes out of your mouth? ROFL, that was by far one of the dumbest things I've heard in a long time. All republicans have done this whole election is fear monger, and it’s not working at all. Either way it’s provided me with entertainment, glad it’ll all be over in a few days. Remember to vote if you haven’t already. xD
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I could totally go for having my tax dollars go towards universal medicare since I already pay to kill people in other countries with these sencless wars. In addition the GOP was opened up the borders so much that more people came into this country in the first year and a half during the Bush presidency then did the whole 8 years of Clinton being in office. All those illegal immigrants get free healthcare when they go into hospitals in California and it cost us 5 billion dollars last year alone which is almost enough to balance our budget that fell short this year. |
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deviliscious
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Joined: 11/09/07
"Adjusts ponytails and pulls the lollipop out of my mouth" |
Originally posted by konrad16660 What you fail to understand is not only is he trying to pay for healthcare but he has already stated that war cannot be avoided at this point. no he will have to spend more money on the war as well, can we afford both? NO! He has already stated his postion on Iran, and Pakistan, and that somethings cannot be avoided. We will be paying for this war no matter who becomes president, and if you go by history a Democrat has never ended a war, only started them. We simply do not have the money to do what he has proposed, nor are we going to abandon the war efforts. WE are not the only nation at war here, we have agreements with our ALLIES that will be upheld. He will be in the same postion Bush was in and no money to fix anything. Just he plans on spending more money in different countries than we currently spend, that is the only difference here. |
Originally posted by deviliscious What you fail to understand is not only is he trying to pay for healthcare but he has already stated that war cannot be avoided at this point. no he will have to spend more money on the war as well, can we afford both? NO! He has already stated his postion on Iran, and Pakistan, and that somethings cannot be avoided. We will be paying for this war no matter who becomes president, and if you go by history a Democrat has never ended a war, only started them. We simply do not have the money to do what he has proposed, nor are we going to abandon the war efforts. WE are not the only nation at war here, we have agreements with our ALLIES that will be upheld. He will be in the same postion Bush was in and no money to fix anything. Just he plans on spending more money in different countries than we currently spend, that is the only difference here.
What allies do we have agreements with to stay at war in Iraq? We will be out of there sooner with Obama then with McCain. In addition we may get some jobs back here in the US so that we can actually have more people paying taxes again. I challenge anyone to give a decent argument that the country is better with Bush than it was before hand. |
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Originally posted by konrad16660
What allies do we have agreements with to stay at war in Iraq? We will be out of there sooner with Obama then with McCain. In addition we may get some jobs back here in the US so that we can actually have more people paying taxes again. I challenge anyone to give a decent argument that the country is better with Bush than it was before hand. Welcome to World War III. George Bush didn't start it, the Jihad did. No one could argue we were better off in the middle of World World War I, or World War II -- they also didn't try to undermine our efforts by pretending it wasn't going on and even MAKING such a statement. The Long War is about protecting civilization; there won't be any jobs if there are no cities, no freedom, no constitutional governments. |
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Originally posted by konrad16660 Not even close. The deficit last year was over 170 billion. |
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girlgeek
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Joined: 8/14/07
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Originally posted by Thunderous
While I think the OP is making ridiculous analogies that SURELY were intended as a JOKE, I have to throw MY 'two cents" in here as well and say....
By the way, I hope McCain and Palin and their combination of senility, emotional instability, and downright stupidity stay as far away from the While House as possible. The mere possibility that Sarah Palin could EVER serve as president is enough to terrify me all the way to the polls. I cannot imagine, even a diehard Republican voting for McCain with that lunatic on the ticket. If McCain thought that women were so STUPID that they would vote for him just because he put a hockey mom that bakes cookies and goes to an ULTRA conservative (seemingly cultish) church on his ticket....he has incredibly poor judgment, and is even more of a male chauvinistic arse than what I already thought. I love how the Republicans cry "socialism" at EVERY single Democrat that EVER runs. This isn't a new thing. Y'all need to come up with some new accusations, these same ones rinsed and re-used, are just getting old, like McCain's Bushinista policies. McCain believes that everyone is equal....some people are just "MORE equal" than others. What a douche. You may say you want the Democrats our of your pocketbooks, but some people would like the Republicans out of their bedrooms, hearts, and private lives.
REGARDLESS of your choice as to whom to vote FOR....the important things today is that you VOTE. Period. VOTE....while we still have the right to do at LEAST that. /sigh
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I guess you support the Fascist ideals of McCain. This is where our country is divided, the racists vs everyone else. 
