Everyone knows Sandbox games are a niche product.

Everyone knows FFAPVP games are even more Niche.

Everyone who is a fan of Darkfall Knows that this game wont have a million+ subs.

It just doesnt work that way with a game as harsh as Darkfall.

Look at Eve the game is basically the best Sandbox/FFA pvp game on the market with only 250k subs.

To other fans and myself this is a success, to the haters the game is easily laughed at for not having a million + subs.

When Darkfall comes out it will probably have 200-300k subs and to us it will be a raging success and we will love every minute of it.

To the haters its low subs (compared to WoW) and its complex sandbox play will have players saying the game is boring and has no real content.

Just prepare yourselves for the shit storm guys because there's no way around it.

Darkfall will be flamed, laughed at, condemed and trolled to epic proportions.

I expect the same when MO and ER come out. Hopefully I'll be too busy playing to care about the crap on the forums.

I'd be impressed if it was ever released.

Then prepare to be impressed.

Originally posted by metalhead980

Everyone knows Sandbox games are a niche product.

Everyone knows FFAPVP games are even more Niche.

Everyone who is a fan of Darkfall Knows that this game wont have a million+ subs.

It just doesnt work that way with a game as harsh as Darkfall.

Look at Eve the game is basically the best Sandbox/FFA pvp game on the market with only 250k subs.

To other fans and myself this is a success, to the haters the game is easily laughed at for not having a million + subs.

When Darkfall comes out it will probably have 200-300k subs and to us it will be a raging success and we will love every minute of it.

To the haters its low subs (compared to WoW) and its complex sandbox play will have players saying the game is boring and has no real content.

Just prepare yourselves for the shit storm guys because there's no way around it.

Darkfall will be flamed, laughed at, condemed and trolled to epic proportions.

 

I expect the same when MO and ER come out. Hopefully I'll be too busy playing to care about the crap on the forums.

 

Darkfall will be flamed, laughed at, condemed and trolled to epic proportions.
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We already use this for years most haters vaporware trolls will allways be haters and vopo trolls.

But they have hyped darkfall alot over years THX GUYS for hyping darkfall so much:)

When it comeout you prolly wont see me alot here anymore, busy playing a great game i hope:)

Well your kinda wrong... just because it's a sandbox doesn't mean failure, The Sims 2 is a sand box it is also the most sucessful/selling PC game of all time.   People enjoy freedom of choice and like to feel they are making a change in the world they are playing in... EVE is that the best picture you can paint?  eve is a fun game but in noway compares too the WoW genre... I think darkfall will be sorta like a title called Shadowbane.  Darkfall will just bring a better game too the table with advanced graphics, combat and guild warefar/city building.

Darkfall too me is oblivion online  but in darkfall you create the world you play in. 

Originally posted by Camthylion

Well your kinda wrong... just because it's a sandbox doesn't mean failure, The Sims 2 is a sand box it is also the most sucessful/selling PC game of all time.  

...and the MMO based on it was a complete disaster, so I'm not sure you want to use that example.

Originally posted by metalhead980

Everyone knows Sandbox games are a niche product.

Everyone knows FFAPVP games are even more Niche.

Everyone who is a fan of Darkfall Knows that this game wont have a million+ subs.

It just doesnt work that way with a game as harsh as Darkfall.

Look at Eve the game is basically the best Sandbox/FFA pvp game on the market with only 250k subs.

To other fans and myself this is a success, to the haters the game is easily laughed at for not having a million + subs.

When Darkfall comes out it will probably have 200-300k subs and to us it will be a raging success and we will love every minute of it.

To the haters its low subs (compared to WoW) and its complex sandbox play will have players saying the game is boring and has no real content.

Just prepare yourselves for the shit storm guys because there's no way around it.

Darkfall will be flamed, laughed at, condemed and trolled to epic proportions.

 

I expect the same when MO and ER come out. Hopefully I'll be too busy playing to care about the crap on the forums.

 

 Well, considering the MMO genre overall  was a niche market in the gaming industry when the first commercial successful MMO's hit the market (Ultima online, EQ, AC, AO). Blizzard streamlining of the MMO formula introduced the MMO genre to the masses. The Warcraft IP alone had a huge following, as did Blizzard in general which introduced MMO's to a lot of new players

 Now there's nothing to say that those who cut their teeth on WOW, or the MMO's that attempted to clone it's success since it's release might find a sandbox game such as Darkfall that brings elements from old school MMO as something new an addictive, especially as they mature as gamers from teens in to young adults. These elements in a MMO start to become more appealing. Hence the reason Eve has mostly an adult playerbase, it could be larger but not everybody wants a sandbox in space. Far more want a fantasy RPG sandbox.

You forget Vanguard sold 700k copies because of the desire for a next generation sandbox game. It's a pity it was released in the shape it was or it would have retained a lot of as subs. I got a feeling Darkfall is going to end up more popular than WAR or any other MMO that's been released since WOW went live. There's no point even trying to say how it will go against WOW, WoW is a social phenomenon.

Darkfall is the next true leap for RPG MMO combat! I for one am fed up of levels, I can't wait to give Darkfall a try. A world run by the players with player politics will keep you coming back for more, and no levels! Did I mention no levels?

HAH! You are all WR0NG!

I PLAY IT! 1N MY DR34M5!

It's a MASTERPIECE! You just wait and see!

Originally posted by metalhead980

BLa Bla Bla..................

To the haters its low subs (compared to WoW) and its complex sandbox play will have players saying the game is boring and has no real content.

Just prepare yourselves for the shit storm guys because there's no way around it.

Darkfall will be flamed, laughed at, condemed and trolled to epic proportions.

 

 

Yes I am prepared to spend so much time in the game not to care what people say.
If the game is shit, I will move on to something alse.
Either way I win

Yet another post of "If the game does not get 1mil+ subs it fails!"  Its a good thing everyone on this bloody forum has a crystal ball.

Whats Dakfall???

who the f*ck cares if Darkfall doesn't have 1+mill subs? or the subs of WoW or any other MMO for that mather? SUBS DOESN'T MAKE CONTENT BETTER JUST REALISE IT ALREADY! This game will own the shit out of WoW... f*ck most reasons people bash/hate/troll on games is because it's not as "easy" (as WoW is) to play and/or understand as they want it to be.. This game will be EPIC! ok maybe not EPIC! but it will be good.. don't f*cking hate on a game that you haven't even played yet... it just proves how stupid you are and how you crave attention... shees...

Originally posted by EMP_matte

who the f*ck cares if Darkfall doesn't have 1+mill subs? or the subs of WoW or any other MMO for that mather? SUBS DOESN'T MAKE CONTENT BETTER JUST REALISE IT ALREADY! This game will own the shit out of WoW... f*ck most reasons people bash/hate/troll on games is because it's not as "easy" (as WoW is) to play and/or understand as they want it to be.. This game will be EPIC! ok maybe not EPIC! but it will be good.. don't f*cking hate on a game that you haven't even played yet... it just proves how stupid you are and how you crave attention... shees...

Calm down there Jericho, we wouldn't want you having an aneurysm.

Originally posted by Locklain

Originally posted by EMP_matte

who the f*ck cares if Darkfall doesn't have 1+mill subs? or the subs of WoW or any other MMO for that mather? SUBS DOESN'T MAKE CONTENT BETTER JUST REALISE IT ALREADY! This game will own the shit out of WoW... f*ck most reasons people bash/hate/troll on games is because it's not as "easy" (as WoW is) to play and/or understand as they want it to be.. This game will be EPIC! ok maybe not EPIC! but it will be good.. don't f*cking hate on a game that you haven't even played yet... it just proves how stupid you are and how you crave attention... shees...

Calm down there Jericho, we wouldn't want you having an aneurysm.

 

Too late for that! *gasping for air*

Conern over subscriber numbers has nothing to do with whether the game is fail or... it has ot do with whether or Adventurine has the customer base (by which I mean revenue stream) to do all they say their going to do... and since they basically promised the world (literally) they're going to need a large subscriber base to achieve and maintain their goal

It's called economics in the real world, which I realize has little to do with the perfact game playing in the average Darkfall fanoi's head, which in turn has little to do with Darkfall.

Originally posted by NotNiceDino

Conern over subscriber numbers has nothing to do with whether the game is fail or... it has ot do with whether or Adventurine has the customer base (by which I mean revenue stream) to do all they say their going to do... and since they basically promised the world (literally) they're going to need a large subscriber base to achieve and maintain their goal

It's called economics in the real world, which I realize has little to do with the perfact game playing in the average Darkfall fanoi's head, which in turn has little to do with Darkfall.

Now this may be true most of the time but Adventurine is a small company.  Small companies do not need the revenue large companies do.  We don't know how much they have sunk into the game so it is impossible to base how many subscribers it will need to stay above ground.

Everything up until numbers are released is speculation so your ranting is no better than the "average Darkfall fanoi's".  Just take a seat, relax, and when then game is released then complain about it.

@Fratman

How is it of any concern of yours what other people do with their time and money? If people want to follow the game let them, there is not reason to call others "morons" and any other unnecessary name-calling.

Originally posted by Fratman

 Anyone with even the slightest clue can look at DF and see it has epic fail written all over it.

 

it would have to be epic to epic fail... more likely Darkfall will pass quietly, largely overlooked and quickly forgotten.

Originally posted by RDBeast

Then prepare to be impressed.

At what? Balloon fight?

Darkfall will be a good game. It MAY hit 300k subs.. MAYBE.  Eve is VERY niche.. it RAMPED up to that number.. and it wasn't the WoW success that brought it there.. it was the people who didn't want to play another EQ clone with dragons and trolls.  EVE is not the FFA defining game.. it's the FFA SCI-FI defining game.  Use your brains people..

There is a nother FFA game out.. it's called Knight online.. and it fucking sucks.

And I love the haters who stopped by to derail and harrass whatever Darkfall fans there were here.  Why bother?  I constantly Doom and Gloom this game being released.. because the track record is shit..   They've posted "possible" release dates EVERY year for the past 6 years (or 7?).. It's like a holiday tradition!

Problem with people is they measure if a game is good or not by subs... that's just not very smart.

Eve doesnt have the fraction of numbers wow has, yet eve blows wow out of the water

I dont look at numbers, numbers dont mean much to me

posted to late

Originally posted by NotNiceDino

Conern over subscriber numbers has nothing to do with whether the game is fail or... it has ot do with whether or Adventurine has the customer base (by which I mean revenue stream) to do all they say their going to do... and since they basically promised the world (literally) they're going to need a large subscriber base to achieve and maintain their goal

It's called economics in the real world, which I realize has little to do with the perfact game playing in the average Darkfall fanoi's head, which in turn has little to do with Darkfall.

u just contradicted ur own point u were trying to make and ill to tell u why

revenue stream(which im asuming u mean profit since thats what it is)($) =Cost to buy game(x) + cost of monthly subscription(y) * number of subscribers(z)

so in simple math equation

$ = x + (yz)

now since x and y are fixed(or will be in the near future) the only thing that changes is z(#of subscibers) so therefore subscriber numbers directly effect price, therefore subscription numers do mattter cause if they dont get enough profit they will either increase y to make up for the difference which then would of cause more ppl to quit, so thats not going to happen, or they will have to clsoe down the servers

and trust me there trying to make a profit cause thats what real world economics is about

and this isnt taking in to account the cost to make the game cause i dont know and cant even imagine the cost to make a game

and i know this is long and complicated and unnecasary but i dont like when ppl talk about real world economics and they dnt know it

Razor,

Real world economics? Can you plz tell me how too make a million dollars? Since your so smart!

I'll give it a chance. I always give the mmo of my dreams a chance.

Originally posted by Random_mage

Darkfall will be a good game. It MAY hit 300k subs.. MAYBE.  Eve is VERY niche.. it RAMPED up to that number.. and it wasn't the WoW success that brought it there.. it was the people who didn't want to play another EQ clone with dragons and trolls.  EVE is not the FFA defining game.. it's the FFA SCI-FI defining game.  Use your brains people..

There is a nother FFA game out.. it's called Knight online.. and it fucking sucks.

 

And I love the haters who stopped by to derail and harrass whatever Darkfall fans there were here.  Why bother?  I constantly Doom and Gloom this game being released.. because the track record is shit..   They've posted "possible" release dates EVERY year for the past 6 years (or 7?).. It's like a holiday tradition!

no they havent beta maybe but thats about it