Originally posted by altairzq

Ok so we have geniuses working in Darkfall, that can create a network code that nobody has been able to before, and bots that betatest. Truly amazing. Can't wait to see the game that such geniuses are able to program!

Same here *laughs*

Originally posted by altairzq

Ok so we have geniuses working in Darkfall, that can create a network code that nobody has been able to before, and bots that betatest. Truly amazing. Can't wait to see the game that such geniuses are able to program!

Beta testing bots is only one of many things the prophecy fortells Lord Tasos laying upon us .

Originally posted by mackdawg19 

1. Concept phase

2. Development phase 1 & 2

3. Internal testing

4. Development phase 3 with testing

5. Alpha Testing - usually considered friends and family play test

6. Closed/Elder testing phase

7. Stress test and/or Open Beta

8. Early preview

9. Launch

Good read though but I am really not liking DF's tone. Must be a euro thing, they just sound to full of themselves. Thats only my opinon though, and I do wish them the best of luck. We need more sandboxes for christ sake.

Exactly. And what I see from DF is that they are entering stage 5, where external people finally get a first peek at things. They can say it's step 7, but it's really step 5.

And there's a whoooooole lot that has to be done between 5 and 7 - usually 6 months to 2 years' worth of stuff.

Originally posted by Jokerkaaos

Originally posted by mackdawg19 

1. Concept phase

2. Development phase 1 & 2

3. Internal testing

4. Development phase 3 with testing

5. Alpha Testing - usually considered friends and family play test

6. Closed/Elder testing phase

7. Stress test and/or Open Beta

8. Early preview

9. Launch

Good read though but I am really not liking DF's tone. Must be a euro thing, they just sound to full of themselves. Thats only my opinon though, and I do wish them the best of luck. We need more sandboxes for christ sake.

 

Exactly. And what I see from DF is that they are entering stage 5, where external people finally get a first peek at things. They can say it's step 7, but it's really step 5.

 

And there's a whoooooole lot that has to be done between 5 and 7 - usually 6 months to 2 years' worth of stuff.

You think DF is entering alpha now?

I'm not going to take the time to explain things to you, because to say that means it obviously wouldnt help.

Though I will say that you are certainly original.  I havent heard that yet on these forums.

Pretty much every game company is like that, they always act like their game is the best thing ever.

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by Jokerkaaos

Originally posted by mackdawg19 

1. Concept phase

2. Development phase 1 & 2

3. Internal testing

4. Development phase 3 with testing

5. Alpha Testing - usually considered friends and family play test

6. Closed/Elder testing phase

7. Stress test and/or Open Beta

8. Early preview

9. Launch

Good read though but I am really not liking DF's tone. Must be a euro thing, they just sound to full of themselves. Thats only my opinon though, and I do wish them the best of luck. We need more sandboxes for christ sake.

 

Exactly. And what I see from DF is that they are entering stage 5, where external people finally get a first peek at things. They can say it's step 7, but it's really step 5.

 

And there's a whoooooole lot that has to be done between 5 and 7 - usually 6 months to 2 years' worth of stuff.

 

You think DF is entering alpha now?

I'm not going to take the time to explain things to you, because to say that means it obviously wouldnt help.

Though I will say that you are certainly original.  I havent heard that yet on these forums.

then you haven't been reading this forum, several people have made the alpha comment over the past month+.

all i have to say is that today is october 30th, 2008.

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by Jokerkaaos

Originally posted by mackdawg19 

1. Concept phase

2. Development phase 1 & 2

3. Internal testing

4. Development phase 3 with testing

5. Alpha Testing - usually considered friends and family play test

6. Closed/Elder testing phase

7. Stress test and/or Open Beta

8. Early preview

9. Launch

Good read though but I am really not liking DF's tone. Must be a euro thing, they just sound to full of themselves. Thats only my opinon though, and I do wish them the best of luck. We need more sandboxes for christ sake.

 

Exactly. And what I see from DF is that they are entering stage 5, where external people finally get a first peek at things. They can say it's step 7, but it's really step 5.

 

And there's a whoooooole lot that has to be done between 5 and 7 - usually 6 months to 2 years' worth of stuff.

 

You think DF is entering alpha now?

I'm not going to take the time to explain things to you, because to say that means it obviously wouldnt help.

Though I will say that you are certainly original.  I havent heard that yet on these forums.

 

then you haven't been reading this forum, several people have made the alpha comment over the past month+.

 

 

all i have to say is that today is october 30th, 2008.

 

 

Good thing is developer decide when Beta is ..and not some random, unrelated, anonymous  forum poster LOL

 That gives hope...

At least we know that  public tester  (among others.. you)  will  not destroy the game like they did with AoC , right ?

Well they are greek.

And greek people tend to try and make good products.

Im 100% sure that we will see a very very polished game. End content will already be in place for the i want to get there as fast as possible can players.

Remember, Greece isnt run by capitalists.

Sure they want to make money, but they also want their product to last.

Also dont forget, they gave us Platon and alot of other bright dudes.

Im sure DF is in good hands.

But most inportant thing, they DONT want to loose their face.

They are Greek.  ok?

Mark my words :p

I

Originally posted by kotz

Well they are greek.

 

And greek people tend to try and make good products.

Im 100% sure that we will see a very very polished game. End content will already be in place for the i want to get there as fast as possible can players.

Remember, Greece isnt run by capitalists.

Sure they want to make money, but they also want their product to last.

Also dont forget, they gave us Platon and alot of other bright dudes.

Im sure DF is in good hands.

But most inportant thing, they DONT want to loose their face.

They are Greek.  ok?

Mark my words :p

I

LoL

Have same impression that it is in good hands but more because they seem to stick on what they said..they slow  tho.

Originally posted by kotz

Well they are greek.

 

And greek people tend to try and make good products.

Im 100% sure that we will see a very very polished game. End content will already be in place for the i want to get there as fast as possible can players.

Remember, Greece isnt run by capitalists.

Sure they want to make money, but they also want their product to last.

Also dont forget, they gave us Platon and alot of other bright dudes.

Im sure DF is in good hands.

But most inportant thing, they DONT want to loose their face.

They are Greek.  ok?

Mark my words :p

I

Wha...? I mean sure, blind patriotism is all well and good, but neither the Greek political climate nor their historical philosophical roots really have anything to do with the ability of an garage-band dev team (who are not all Greeks, not that that makes any difference at all) trying to pull a miracle out of their ass by claiming they have the greatest MMO ever and are ready to release it within the next two months.

I've seen plenty of shit things come out of Greece too, Darkfall is just going to be another one to add to the list. Either Tasos and his boys will crack under the weight of fan expectation (desperation) and release a broken, bug-ridden, poorly tested POS before the new year, or they'll delay it yet again for the hundredth time and go back to trying to bring their game up to something that at least looks like it was released this decade. Of course by then another decade will have passed, and they'll be back to square one. Again.

Originally posted by ghoul31

 

I think next they are going to have an internal release. LOL

 

That was quite funny, good one ghoul ;p

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by bluegoo2

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/sigh. You really have to take this announcment with a grain of salt since your graphics card and ram have a WAY bigger effect on frames per second than your processor does.

Back when I had my old Pentium 4 computer, I threw an 8800 and 2gb of ram in it while I was building my new computer and it ran everything like a champ, even though the processor was very crappy. Since they only tell you that they were using a single core processor and nothing else, this means absolutely nothing.

 I think we should have to take YOUR announcement with a grain of salt.

I am sure it ran BETTER with an 8800 card and 2gb of ram, HOWEVER in that scenario you processor would become the limiting factor. Anyone a little computer litterate would now this.

Your CPU would simply not be able to supply your graphic card with information fast enough.

BTW did Pentium 4 motherboards have an AGP slot?

Originally posted by Hashbrick

 

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Originally posted by GrayGhost79
By the way I will say this again, Athens Digital Week had over 30k attend. So it was a fair sized  event with a lot going on.  lol people come in here trying to damn us in anyway they can because we think were going to enjoy a video game they don't lol simply boggles the mind lol.

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In which Darkfall had a crowd in the double digits, trust me there was better things to see and believe then that project called Darkfall that most probably never heard of.

Anyway what ever happened to the try before you buy promise? How are they going to meet Beta, the try before you buy, register pre-orders and setup a launch day before the end of the year? This being now a bit more than 2 months away mind you. I sposse you just going to tell me Tasos can turn water into wine huh? Ta da!

The OB IS the try before you buy. because it will be an OPEN beta not a "pre-order-only-kindof-open-beta"

Originally posted by Jokerkaaos

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Something that Darkfall has that other games may lack during testing is help from the AI. In Darkfall the game doesn't really distinguish between a player and the AI. The AI are bots actually living their life and skilling up within the game. The AI has been helping us test a large part of the game almost as if players were in it.

 

This might be the most laughable thing I've ever seen an MMO dev write. Between their claim of beta testing with "professional testers," and the claim that bots can substitute for players and give you ANY kind of valuable data, I continue to believe this game is nothing more than a dream.

 

You cannot "internally test" an MMO, and bots NEVER EVER equal players. Bots = whoever programmed them, and even then they don't really represent the programmer as a player. Bots are just scripted AI; in fact, adding bots just adds more potential problems, as they will no doubt lead you in the wrong directions by not behaving like real people in any way at all. Bots don't think, don't cheat, don't get bored. Relying on bots you program to test your game instead of people is an utter farce.

Scripted AI?

Geez go and look up the word. Script and AI is mutully EXCLUSIVE crist..

Originally posted by Greek_Matt

Wha...? I mean sure, blind patriotism is all well and good, but neither the Greek political climate nor their historical philosophical roots really have anything to do with the ability of an garage-band dev team (who are not all Greeks, not that that makes any difference at all) trying to pull a miracle out of their ass by claiming they have the greatest MMO ever and are ready to release it within the next two months.

I've seen plenty of shit things come out of Greece too, Darkfall is just going to be another one to add to the list. Either Tasos and his boys will crack under the weight of fan expectation (desperation) and release a broken, bug-ridden, poorly tested POS before the new year, or they'll delay it yet again for the hundredth time and go back to trying to bring their game up to something that at least looks like it was released this decade. Of course by then another decade will have passed, and they'll be back to square one. Again.

Unfortunately I think your on the money with this one.

Objectively looking at the latest game play video from the ADW event supports this very clearly in my opinion, and shows why they have shown so little of this game until now.

2 months from launch and they still have place holder human hand graphics in first person view for all races.

Still only Place holder names and stats for spell and skill icons.

Very poor and jerky animations, running animation is just walking animation but faster for example, no animations for mounting and dismounting, no or very poor transition animations.

Still running around in the same empty lifeless world with very few NPC’s and Mobs we have seen glimpses of before.

Exactly the same basic and very clunky UI we saw in a few screenshots from 2006, dragging each separate group member UI box and arranging them looks tedious for example.

Melee combat is just hack and slash single button mashing, no tactics or melee skills used, no blocking used or directional attacks.

Target reticule covered by players character in 3rd person view going to get very annoying very fast.

Mobs and players warping and lagging and the game crashing or losing connection at the end , but I’m sure we wont see any of that come release.

Many major and minor inconsistent design and graphical decisions, from little things like the big silly “Flaming Skull” sign post in English for Orc Capital or the hover tanks and pirates of the Caribbean ships total immersion breakers for me, no hit animations when mounted, lacklustre spell effects etc.

So called Revolutionary advanced AI looks no different from normal FPS Bots.

In my opinion they have spent most of the last few years unnecessarily improving some of the graphics probably in a futile attempt to make this game appear competitive, because they are the only thing I have seen so far that has dramatically improved , but it appears they have neglected or have been unable to address rudimentary basics, and have made very questionable design decisions.

Everything else is mostly the same or has still not been shown in any detail, for example combat in the latest game play video is almost identical to the 2005 alpha game play video, still not seeing crafting, city building, resource gathering etc. etc.

I think all of the things they have not shown are probably all just as basic and rudimentary as the things they have already shown, or perhaps even worse or not even functional or even implemented yet.

This game could still be fun if it launches in 2 months and performs adequately technically, but the myth that its feature complete and is going to only be released finished and polished with everything that has been promised is obviously completely false.

Darkfall is either going to release unfinished but hopefully not also bug ridden and plagued by technical problems in under 2 months or its going to be delayed again.

Originally posted by nileq

Originally posted by ghoul31

 

I think next they are going to have an internal release. LOL

That was quite funny, good one ghoul ;p

OMG bots will play Darkfall and they will be over nine hundred thousand!!!!!11!!1 It will be the most epic internal succes in MMO history!!!!!1

Originally posted by nileq

Originally posted by Jokerkaaos

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Something that Darkfall has that other games may lack during testing is help from the AI. In Darkfall the game doesn't really distinguish between a player and the AI. The AI are bots actually living their life and skilling up within the game. The AI has been helping us test a large part of the game almost as if players were in it.

 

This might be the most laughable thing I've ever seen an MMO dev write. Between their claim of beta testing with "professional testers," and the claim that bots can substitute for players and give you ANY kind of valuable data, I continue to believe this game is nothing more than a dream.

 

You cannot "internally test" an MMO, and bots NEVER EVER equal players. Bots = whoever programmed them, and even then they don't really represent the programmer as a player. Bots are just scripted AI; in fact, adding bots just adds more potential problems, as they will no doubt lead you in the wrong directions by not behaving like real people in any way at all. Bots don't think, don't cheat, don't get bored. Relying on bots you program to test your game instead of people is an utter farce.

 

Scripted AI?

Geez go and look up the word. Script and AI is mutully EXCLUSIVE crist..

The term 'scripted AI' is a fairly common one in the gaming industry. It might be more correct to call it 'scripted AAI', since really it's an Artificial Artificial Intelligence. It doesn't think, it just behaves in a slightly more unpredictable way than a completely scripted bot and has a broader set of action/reaction parameters... but it's still running to a script, albeit a more varied one.

What, you thought these Aventurine geniuses had so much spare time on their hands that they sat down and wrote an actual AI as a cheap way to test their low-budget game? Let's face it, it's pretty obvious by now that "bot beta testing" is just another of Tasos' many excuses to explain away the fact that, even after all these years and supposedly just two months out from release, their game still isn't in a fit state to be played by anyone outside the company.

Originally posted by Greek_Matt

Originally posted by nileq

Originally posted by Jokerkaaos

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

 

Scripted AI?

Geez go and look up the word. Script and AI is mutully EXCLUSIVE crist..

 

The term 'scripted AI' is a fairly common one in the gaming industry. It might be more correct to call it 'scripted AAI', since really it's an Artificial Artificial Intelligence. It doesn't think, it just behaves in a slightly more unpredictable way than a completely scripted bot and has a broader set of action/reaction parameters... but it's still running to a script, albeit a more varied one.

What, you thought these Aventurine geniuses had so much spare time on their hands that they sat down and wrote an actual AI as a cheap way to test their low-budget game? Let's face it, it's pretty obvious by now that "bot beta testing" is just another of Tasos' many excuses to explain away the fact that, even after all these years and supposedly just two months out from release, their game still isn't in a fit state to be played by anyone outside the company.

 

I am not refuting your statement that the gameing industry have poluted the meaining AI (or AAI as you point out) especially the MMO indystry. If you have a look at Quake-bots and such they are more to the point (but far from all the way tough)

<Pure Script>--------<MMO -AI>-----------<Quake-AI>---------------------------------<experimental-AI>

I think the above sums it up pretty good. I do think you are on the money if you argue that DFO AI is NOT on the right hand side on this, but it might very well be in the middle where the Quake-AI is.

This would indeed make PvE alot more fun and challangeing in DFO than any other MMO to date, and would probably start a new era in MMO-AI , and if DFO could ONLY acheave that it will be totaly worth it!

however my point stands, scripting and AI has nothing incommon