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10/28/08 8:38:17 AM#21
Originally posted by Malickie
Actually, if you'd bothered to take a look at the actual reviews themselves, you'd have noticed that we are now using a new format for our reviews, which is resulting in different scores. Also, as I've said over and over again, it's important to look at the body of the review and not just the score. Reviews are more about what is said than the actual score. Also, how is this not objective? Please point out to me the bias that you see there, and our lack of objectivity. Cheers, |
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10/28/08 8:47:27 AM#22
Jon, it was objective. The rabid AoC playerbase simply had their feelings hurt when they realized the review was spot on and they're wasting their time playing a piece of crap. GG Don't try to compare AoC to LOTRO or Eve, they were and are leaps and bounds ahead of AoC; Funcom can only dream that Conan will be that successful someday. |
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mijan999
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Joined: 10/23/08
posted by jedijeff on official mmorpg review |
10/28/08 8:51:55 AM#23
hey its not age pf conan or crap, its age of cavemen according to Jef Reahard and his biased anti-pvp writings. |
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10/28/08 8:57:21 AM#24
Originally posted by Stradden
Actually, if you'd bothered to take a look at the actual reviews themselves, you'd have noticed that we are now using a new format for our reviews, which is resulting in different scores. Also, as I've said over and over again, it's important to look at the body of the review and not just the score. Reviews are more about what is said than the actual score. Also, how is this not objective? Please point out to me the bias that you see there, and our lack of objectivity.
Stradden you see thats the problem here. I look at the body of the review and I find gross errors. You just can't bring out AoC's performance issues now as a main drawback even though it was true at launch. You can also not say that AoC offers poor communication possibilities through emoticons when a very comprehensive RP system has been in place for many many months. There is other stuff as well, but my point is yhe body of the review is not really very on the facts. The review reflect very much what peoples experience was in the months after launch, but it is not at all on facts the way AoC stand today. Your group need to do more research here. |
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mijan999
Apprentice Member
Joined: 10/23/08
posted by jedijeff on official mmorpg review |
10/28/08 9:16:00 AM#25
Originally posted by Transporter
Stradden you see thats the problem here. I look at the body of the review and I find gross errors. You just can't bring out AoC's performance issues now as a main drawback even though it was true at launch. You can also not say that AoC offers poor communication possibilities through emoticons when a very comprehensive RP system has been in place for many many months. There is other stuff as well, but my point is yhe body of the review is not really very on the facts. The review reflect very much what peoples experience was in the months after launch, but it is not at all on facts the way AoC stand today. Your group need to do more research here.
hehe the review reflects more of the authors ass getting whipped in game rather than the game itself.. Hes biased i tell you, hes biased he got pwneddddd...noob |
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10/28/08 10:01:59 AM#26
I'm too lazy to read the review but the 6/10 sounds about right. I would give 7/10 for pve and 5/10 for pvp. |
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10/28/08 12:15:25 PM#27
Originally posted by lugal
What about the comment that AoC would be Steak and Wine compared to wows gruel or whatever? Some people are like slinkies, they dont really have a purpose, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs. |
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Distopia
 Drifter
Joined: 11/22/05
If it contains the words video and game, it must be a WOW clone. |
10/28/08 2:39:17 PM#28
Originally posted by Stradden
Actually, if you'd bothered to take a look at the actual reviews themselves, you'd have noticed that we are now using a new format for our reviews, which is resulting in different scores. Also, as I've said over and over again, it's important to look at the body of the review and not just the score. Reviews are more about what is said than the actual score. Also, how is this not objective? Please point out to me the bias that you see there, and our lack of objectivity. I remember many a post stating that you guys didn't use the normal 1-10 ratio when rating a game. I was unaware that had changed. The objectiveness of this review went out the door when your reviewer admitted to having a bias against funcom. Not to mention decided it's fine to place a label on this player base. He also decided the game is no better than the worst of the worst out there. If that's his opinion fine, if he did it simply because he holds a grudge, that's a different story entirely. As I said in another post, a reviewer should approach a game from a neutral point of view.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson If you can't argue the point don't say anything at all. |
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10/28/08 2:39:41 PM#29
Originally posted by Malickie
Malickie I enjoy your posts and find you to be objective However Im confused ,you posted numerous times on the review of AOC that you never read the review after you saw the word "Neandethral " ..so how do you know the review isn't accurate ? It is consistent to the state of AOC ....it actually talks about some good features in AOC .As I mentioned the only thing I would change about the review is AOC is a 5/10 ....not a 6/10 To all the people saying " the review is unacceptable "....my advice is "get over it ...reviews are subjective and most people here agree with it " ..sometimes reality hurts :) "after the time of dice came the day of mice " |
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10/28/08 2:41:02 PM#30
Originally posted by Malickie
"after the time of dice came the day of mice " |
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10/28/08 2:45:15 PM#31
I was a fanboy until level 65 or so. Now at 70 I don't play anymore. There's nothing to look forward to....raiding? Well gear doesn't really matter in this game so why raid? Also since gear doesn't matter, there no loot to go after, nothing to achieve in PVE. Also quests get tough and harder to find after 65. No one is around looking for group....probably because group xp sucks and again, there's not much in the way of loot to look forward to. I just rolled a new char on tyranny like everyone else. That's my last kick at the can before cancelling.
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Distopia
Drifter
Joined: 11/22/05
If it contains the words video and game, it must be a WOW clone. |
10/28/08 2:54:04 PM#32
Originally posted by bcrankshaw
Malickie I enjoy your posts and find you to be objective However Im confused ,you posted numerous times on the review of AOC that you never read the review after you saw the word "Neandethral " ..so how do you know the review isn't accurate ? It is consistent to the state of AOC ....it actually talks about some good features in AOC .As I mentioned the only thing I would change about the review is AOC is a 5/10 ....not a 6/10 To all the people saying " the review is unacceptable "....my advice is "get over it ...reviews are subjective and most people here agree with it " ..sometimes reality hurts :) I'm basing that on the reviewers own admission when replying about his review. He said himself he was harsh on them because of the launch of the game, IMO that's not an objective stance to take when reviewing a game (months later). His score on a 1-10 ratio is fine, I've never said otherwise, it's his comments and attitude I have a problem with (Neanderthal). The second issue I have taken up with this review is the fact that at launch they gave it a decent score, now they lower it (after improvements have been made) that makes no sense to me.Where did the good score come from, considering they had such a horrible launch?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson If you can't argue the point don't say anything at all. |
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10/28/08 3:07:09 PM#33
Originally posted by Malickie I'm basing that on the reviewers own admission when replying about his review. He said himself he was harsh on them because of the launch of the game, IMO that's not an objective stance to take when reviewing a game (months later). His score on a 1-10 ratio is fine, I've never said otherwise, it's his comments and attitude I have a problem with (Neanderthal). The second issue I have taken up with this review is the fact that at launch they gave it a decent score, now they lower it (after improvements have been made) that makes no sense to me.Where did the good score come from, considering they had such a horrible launch?
But the high score initially was a common trend for many websites that reviewed the game .We all fell for it.The first 20 levels were polished and worth a high score....the glaring problems were after that .MMORPG released an initial review which didn't identify the issues that most realized later on.This new review reflects the reality more accurately to many people who have played AOC.I appreciate that "after the time of dice came the day of mice " |
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Distopia
Drifter
Joined: 11/22/05
If it contains the words video and game, it must be a WOW clone. |
10/28/08 3:18:23 PM#34
Originally posted by bcrankshaw I'm basing that on the reviewers own admission when replying about his review. He said himself he was harsh on them because of the launch of the game, IMO that's not an objective stance to take when reviewing a game (months later). His score on a 1-10 ratio is fine, I've never said otherwise, it's his comments and attitude I have a problem with (Neanderthal). The second issue I have taken up with this review is the fact that at launch they gave it a decent score, now they lower it (after improvements have been made) that makes no sense to me.Where did the good score come from, considering they had such a horrible launch?
But the high score initially was a common trend for many websites that reviewed the game .We all fell for it.The first 20 levels were polished and worth a high score....the glaring problems were after that .MMORPG released an initial review which didn't identify the issues that most realized later on.This new review reflects the reality more accurately to many people who have played AOC.I appreciate that This is true, I wouldn't argue otherwise. It's just weird they didn't experience the issues everyone else was in the beginning. I think the problem is the same one that FC caused by having forum users become moderators, mmorpg has forum users doing reviews now. I'm not saying the guy doesn't deserve the position, I just think he's new to what a reviewers job entails. The objectivity involved in writing a review was obviously missing, as was professionalism. Even stradden admitted he would have used different words had he wrote it. Let's look at it this way, had FC called those who quit a bunch of neanderthals, what would the reaction have been like? For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson If you can't argue the point don't say anything at all. |
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10/28/08 3:36:29 PM#35
I'd just like to know at what timeframe this review took place. He complained about a few items that have been fixed for over a month. |
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10/28/08 4:10:46 PM#36
Originally posted by Umbral
Just face it, the game sucks and it got the review it deserved. Its luckey to even get a rating of 6... 
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10/28/08 4:46:32 PM#37
Originally posted by DthRevan
Just face it, the game sucks and it got the review it deserved. Its luckey to even get a rating of 6...
Did I said anything about the rating? Personally I dont care about the rating, a lot of ingame issues were disapointed for me, read my post again. But offenses and misinformation are totally unacceptable in a profissional review. If the reviewer cant hold himself and has to be agressive and offensive, please, aim for the producers and not consumers, every MMO has nice/polite peole and offensive people, the reviewer just showed he is at the same level of the agressive people he found ingame (and the offensive people that usually post in these forums)... this could be just a server/occasion. The reviewer is not in the position of lable an entire comunity, it is just bad for MMORPG as a serious site. The information about the emotes is just wrong, is not a matter of opinion.
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10/28/08 4:50:09 PM#38
Tbh i'm glad i'm not a reviewer (based on previous 1st hand exp. in the game I probably would have given it a 2 or 3), I started playing the game on release and loved the graphics and the demands the game placed on my computer as well as the new technology used (such as dx10) ... however after subing for several months, raising a assassin to lvl 80, a demo to lvl 78 and a guardian to lvl 36 and realising all the floors as I went along, below I have listed some of the major issues I can still remember (not to mention more quest bugs than any game I have ever played before)
Now I play War, and am enjoying the game (even though there are several bugs I have come across), the game seems to be about 400% more polished than what AoC was at the end of my time there, I will keep subing to War until im bored with it. For those aoc fans that want to remain in aoc I wish you every luck, but from my own previous experience the company never seemed to listen to it's own players, and with what I went through the first time I will never be going back (my time there felt very much like being a pay to play beta tester). |
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Distopia
Drifter
Joined: 11/22/05
If it contains the words video and game, it must be a WOW clone. |
10/28/08 4:51:23 PM#39
Originally posted by arimer A better question would be when was the last time the reviewer played. Doesn't seem it was post 2.0.. In his cons he listed no reward for PVP. Oh well maybe we'll see another review in 6 months. For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson If you can't argue the point don't say anything at all. |
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chriswsm
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Joined: 3/07/04
Never make anything idiot proof as someone will make a better idiot. |
10/28/08 4:55:05 PM#40
In light of recently discoveries about Neanderthals I think the article is insulting to that now sadly extinct species of intelligent artistic and well adapted humanoid. If they had become the dominant strain of humanoid then the planet would probably be somewhat cleaner and biodiversity much higher. Some of the Kiddies in AOC were proper wa*kers and are only worthy of the term typical immature humans. Sadly I dont think the 18 rating did much to stop the kids getting in. A PVP server should not be treated like a game of HL2 Deathmatch.
Personally I give AOC a reasonable 7.5 / 10 on the PVE servers and 4 / 10 on PVP
Played or Beta'd: UO / DAOC / Horizons / EQ2 / DDO / EVE / Archlord / PirateKingsOnline / Tabula Rasa / LOTRO / AOC / Champions / Darkfall / Mortal Online / DCUO / Rift / |
