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Originally posted by jedijef
Your article pretends to be an objective review. It doesn't state "in my opinion, the interface is clunky and the community full of idiots..." It says let me paraphrase: the interface is clunky and the community full of idiots. Most of the things you criticise can be criticized in almost every game, depends on what approach you have towards the game. I'm not saying AoC is a good game, the game has great atmosphere for me and otherwise it's an overhyped mess. But the reasons why I dislike it differ from yours and most of the things you dislike I actually enjoy. Review should be informative. I don't want to read your personal opinions, I want information. Sorry, but any time you read a review, 'in my opinion' is logically, and quite obviously, implied. That's what a review is, information presented from a certain point of view. If you want a straight listing of facts, I'd direct you to the product info page at Gamestop.com or something similar. If you read a review by myself or any other writer, expect to get their personal opinions interspersed with the facts. Its really not rocket science.
Simply not true. I guess that's a difference between a good review and a bad review. Good review should have no personal opinions. It should be informative and contain facts only. For exmaple it should inform me about the interface (whether it can be resized, how many bars, how is the respond-rate etc). Who the hell cares about his personal opinion? That's what forums are about NOT REVIEWS on a website like this. Just because you and your comrades are bastardized by the maganizes that write video game reviews that includes more personal opinions than an actual facts, doesn't mean a review should have personal opinions. You indeed can critize the interface if the respond-rate is extremly slow, it can't be resized etc, but you can't say the people that play the game are neandertals. That's stupid, childish and the writer should get whipped and an instant kick off from his volunteer unpaid job position. But I guess that's what I'm gonna get very soon. |
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Originally posted by Steelrose Sorry, but any time you read a review, 'in my opinion' is logically, and quite obviously, implied. That's what a review is, information presented from a certain point of view. If you want a straight listing of facts, I'd direct you to the product info page at Gamestop.com or something similar. If you read a review by myself or any other writer, expect to get their personal opinions interspersed with the facts. Its really not rocket science.
Simply not true. I guess that's a difference between a good review and a bad review. Good review should have no personal opinions. It should be informative and contain facts only. For exmaple it should inform me about the interface (whether it can be resized, how many bars, how is the respond-rate etc). Who the hell cares about his personal opinion? That's what forums are about NOT REVIEWS on a website like this. Just because you and your comrades are bastardized by the maganizes that write video game reviews that includes more personal opinions than an actual facts, doesn't mean a review should have personal opinions. You indeed can critize the interface if the respond-rate is extremly slow, it can't be resized etc, but you can't say the people that play the game are neandertals. That's stupid, childish and the writer should get whipped and an instant kick off from his volunteer unpaid job position. But I guess that's what I'm gonna get very soon. all reviews and articles are personal opinions, even the dictionary says so |
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Originally posted by miagisan Again I'm not talking about a critique, it's the insults that came along with the criticism that bothers me. I find it highly unprofessional. If you had a bad experience, it's understandable to comment on it. Calling a community cave men and a bunch of idiots is different. This can differ by circumstance as well, a game is not made up only by the few hundred people you came across. Not when there's the possibility for hundreds of thousands to be playing. That's an important distinction to be made. For every minute You are angry , You lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson |
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Originally posted by miagisan and you mean to tell me you were never asked by a friend or guildmate "hey how is this guild?" or "how is the community in this game?" or have never grouped up and found a couple of complete jerks in a group or raid group? Now when these numbers are lower percentages, you can shrug it off to the occasional "asshat", but as the % increase, it very much makes an impact upon a game. I give up, you're just not getting what I'm saying. /sigh For every minute You are angry , You lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson |
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Originally posted by Steelrose Sorry, but any time you read a review, 'in my opinion' is logically, and quite obviously, implied. That's what a review is, information presented from a certain point of view. If you want a straight listing of facts, I'd direct you to the product info page at Gamestop.com or something similar. If you read a review by myself or any other writer, expect to get their personal opinions interspersed with the facts. Its really not rocket science.
Simply not true. I guess that's a difference between a good review and a bad review. Good review should have no personal opinions. It should be informative and contain facts only. For exmaple it should inform me about the interface (whether it can be resized, how many bars, how is the respond-rate etc). Who the hell cares about his personal opinion? That's what forums are about NOT REVIEWS on a website like this. Just because you and your comrades are bastardized by the maganizes that write video game reviews that includes more personal opinions than an actual facts, doesn't mean a review should have personal opinions. You indeed can critize the interface if the respond-rate is extremly slow, it can't be resized etc, but you can't say the people that play the game are neandertals. That's stupid, childish and the writer should get whipped and an instant kick off from his volunteer unpaid job position. But I guess that's what I'm gonna get very soon. Steelrose, while I have to confess some amusement, there's really no point in debating this with you. I can and did use the neanderthal comment, and, while some may find it crass, that is my style, and it isn't likely to change because it ruffled a few feathers (quite the contrary actually). As for your other assertions, let me just state that every single thing you said in this post is incorrect, and leave it at that. /salute |
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whisperwynd
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Originally posted by Aguitha
I come here to read what's new about the mmo's community. But when i read review that are obviously biased, i can't help but comment on it. And last time i checked, that's what a forum is about. Let me guess this straight...You believe that this site is paid to write their reviews for gaming companies, and you call it typical. Therefor, you must dislike all the reviews here for that same reason. Then why, in your last statement, would you say that you come here and read what's new if you know it's already biased because they get paid to write it in the first place? In conclusion, this logic further suggests that since this is a forum, and you can, at any time, write your comments on said reviews. You will inevitably write contradictory comments about them, since they are initially biased from the start. I'm not trying to flame you, just making you aware that anything can be construed by statements. It just takes the right sequence to turn into something else.
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Originally posted by Malickie Again I'm not talking about a critique, it's the insults that came along with the criticism that bothers me. I find it highly unprofessional. If you had a bad experience, it's understandable to comment on it. Calling a community cave men and a bunch of idiots is different. This can differ by circumstance as well, a game is not made up only by the few hundred people you came across. Not when there's the possibility for hundreds of thousands to be playing. That's an important distinction to be made. yes but if i had to write a review on my circumstances, i do include the community, because it is a very large part, if not an integral part of an mmorpg and my experiences within them. Every review i write, and i have written about 6 or 7 now on another website, based on mmorpgs, has included a community aspect, because i tend to get drawn into the community with rp, event, etc. While my reviews have not been kind to AoC's community, i have talked negatively about communities more in games like wow (where i played on a pvp server with guildies) and Hellgate. For me, the community is a HUGE factor in which game i play, and thats probably why i keep going back to games like EQ2 and LOTRO, where i find the communities and rp refreshing and helpful. |
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Originally posted by jedijef
I ask you as well. Does your line suppose to convince me? Or convince anyone else reading this thread? Or you? When you wake up, do you look at yourself in the mirror and say "You are great, you are fantastic, you are genius"? |
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Originally posted by whisperwynd Let me guess this straight...You believe that this site is paid to write their reviews for gaming companies, and you call it typical. Therefor, you must dislike all the reviews here for that same reason. Then why, in your last statement, would you say that you come here and read what's new if you know it's already biased because they get paid to write it in the first place? In conclusion, this logic further suggests that since this is a forum, and you can, at any time, write your comments on said reviews. You will inevitably write contradictory comments about them, since they are initially biased from the start. I'm not trying to flame you, just making you aware that anything can be construed by statements. It just takes the right sequence to turn into something else.
And you think that when they put that HUGE background AOC wallpaper that they do it for free ? I'm not saying they are paid to write review, but they are certainly paid by the game they are reviewing. In my book you can't be credible if you get money from the same guy you review. |
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whisperwynd
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Originally posted by Steelrose
I ask you as well. Does your line suppose to convince me? Or convince anyone else reading this thread? Or you? When you wake up, do you look at yourself in the mirror and say "You are great, you are fantastic, you are genius"?
Well, it has certainly convinced me that he's more credible than you are, because he's right. Simple as that. |
Originally posted by miagisan yes but if i had to write a review on my circumstances, i do include the community, because it is a very large part, if not an integral part of an mmorpg and my experiences within them. Every review i write, and i have written about 6 or 7 now on another website, based on mmorpgs, has included a community aspect, because i tend to get drawn into the community with rp, event, etc. While my reviews have not been kind to AoC's community, i have talked negatively about communities more in games like wow (where i played on a pvp server with guildies) and Hellgate. For me, the community is a HUGE factor in which game i play, and thats probably why i keep going back to games like EQ2 and LOTRO, where i find the communities and rp refreshing and helpful. I agree, I came from games like DAOC and SWG. Community was the most important aspect to my enjoyment in those games. That's a highly important factor in MMO's in general, I wouldn't attempt to dispute that. The OP even admitted he's a crass individual, which explains the comments. I just find it an unorthodox approach at least compared to what I'm used to seeing here. I was highly surprised to find such polarizing comments in an official MMORPG.com review. For every minute You are angry , You lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson |
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I think anyone who reads this (at least, i hope) would see that the review thinks anyone who players FPS games are some sort of mouth breathers (again, its on the internet), and decided to treat an entire player base with his own preconceived notions, and quite frankly dislike of that genre. I’m not even sure with this in mind that this person was even the right pick for the job, because he walked in with this notion before hand. This is where any comments about the community loose credibility. Like I said:
The reviewer came into it with a preconceived notion, and decided to flame, and name call an entire community of players. Acts that would get most banned or warned here. Considering that the entire premise of AOC was to have a real-time/FPS like combat model, not sure why the assignment was given to him. Also, considering what game this person is the correspondent for, makes it even more boggling. If anyone would like to tell me, that i am wrong, or making assertions about the reviewer, I already covered this, I don’t know who he is, or what articles he has written before, going back to another of my original points. Perhaps is reviewers were given Genres, maybe then would I know where they are coming from. All I read here, is someone who dislikes FPS, and has already subscribed to the idea that anyone that players them, is a Neanderthal, and also seems to be inexperienced in PvP games. Why would I take any review from him seriously? As it stands, some one that covers a sandbox game, with RPG like PvP that’s as thin as a cap full of water, was given the assignment to review a game that is PvP at its core, Old school at that, and was pitched to the real-time combat crowds as a closer cousin to a FPS than an RPG. While the review was more than accurate about much of the game, is it any wonder he didn’t like the community? Comparisons to the style of AOC PvP to Warhammer is , well, way off. AOC is more akin to UO, in every regard.
As far as the "They are sellout reviewers", that’s just dumb. The guy clearly gave his personal opinion regardless of who buys ads here.
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whisperwynd
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Originally posted by Aguitha Let me guess this straight...You believe that this site is paid to write their reviews for gaming companies, and you call it typical. Therefor, you must dislike all the reviews here for that same reason. Then why, in your last statement, would you say that you come here and read what's new if you know it's already biased because they get paid to write it in the first place? In conclusion, this logic further suggests that since this is a forum, and you can, at any time, write your comments on said reviews. You will inevitably write contradictory comments about them, since they are initially biased from the start. I'm not trying to flame you, just making you aware that anything can be construed by statements. It just takes the right sequence to turn into something else.
And you think that when they put that HUGE background AOC wallpaper that they do it for free ? I'm not saying they are paid to write review, but they are certainly paid by the game they are reviewing. In my book you can't be credible if you get money from the same guy you review. Ah, now your talking advertising. That's totally different. You may try to connect those dots if you like, but in business, it's totally different. Just because a company pays another for advertising, it doesn't necessairly mean they bought the opinions of that company. The issue of whether or not Mmorpg is biased for those companies by way of payment is irrelevant. Fact is, if YOU believe they are, and are still here posting and being a part of this community...don't throw stones in a glass house. It just makes you look like a hypocrite. |
Originally posted by whisperwynd
Well, it has certainly convinced me that he's more credible than you are, because he's right. Simple as that.
I don't mind arguing with masses, I'm doing that all my life. I'm happy to see it's so easy to convince you just by saying this guy is incorrect and i'm right. I guess you have a good life. A simple one, but definetly good. |
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whisperwynd
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Originally posted by Steelrose
Well, it has certainly convinced me that he's more credible than you are, because he's right. Simple as that.
I don't mind arguing with masses, I'm doing that all my life. I'm happy to see it's so easy to convince you just by saying this guy is incorrect and i'm right. I guess you have a good life. A simple one, but definetly good.
I do have a good, simple life. Complicated gives you stress, less enjoyment, and confusion that leads to misunderstandings and strife. Seriously, I don't see in the article anything mentioned with the word 'idiots', so I he's right about that one at least. And you 'posing' as him in front of the mirror? That's a little asinine, don't you think? |
Originally posted by whisperwynd
I don't mind arguing with masses, I'm doing that all my life. I'm happy to see it's so easy to convince you just by saying this guy is incorrect and i'm right. I guess you have a good life. A simple one, but definetly good.
I do have a good, simple life. Complicated gives you stress, less enjoyment, and confusion that leads to misunderstandings and strife. Seriously, I don't see in the article anything mentioned with the word 'idiots', so I he's right about that one at least. And you 'posing' as him in front of the mirror? That's a little asinine, don't you think?
All right idiot have 0-25 IQ if im correct. Shame we can't measure the IQ of an average neanderthal. That would be a close comparison. |
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Originally posted by Mrbloodworth
So I guess I think I'm a mouth-breather, since, looking over my game shelf, I see Far Cry 1 & 2, all the CoD games, all the Doom games, Half-Life 1 & 2, and many more. Need I go on? I get that you didn't like the review, that's totally cool, but man seriously, at least come up with something more than an assumption if you're going to spar with me. So far what you've said lacks credibility, to be kind, and is flat out wrong, to be blunt. |
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Originally posted by Mrbloodworth
Ok, bloody well enough. Not just the poster quoted here (I'm not picking on you Bloodworth, no worries). Nowhere in the article did he say that "Everyone who plays Age of Conan is a neanderthal. he said that this was his overall impression of ther community at large. As I saw it, he was also pretty clear about the lkinds of behavior that he felt justified the remark. Please, just let it go. Cheers, |
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whisperwynd
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Originally posted by Steelrose Idk, even Geiko gives them the credit to be able to save money on car insurance. Even they got offended, you can even see their endeavors on a few sites showing off how smart they really are... |
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Jedijef. Do not let the rabbid fan bois get you down. Your review was spot on and objective. I couldn not have written it better my self.
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Originally posted by jedijef
So I guess I think I'm a mouth-breather, since, looking over my game shelf, I see Far Cry 1 & 2, all the CoD games, all the Doom games, Half-Life 1 & 2, and many more. Need I go on? I get that you didn't like the review, that's totally cool, but man seriously, at least come up with something more than an assumption if you're going to spar with me. So far what you've said lacks credibility, to be kind, and is flat out wrong, to be blunt.
I wasn’t done posting. Also, I said I liked the review. Third, you just also reinforced my point about I DONT KNOW WHO YOU ARE OR WHERE YOU COME FROM. You are still, random reviewer #49857372902, with as much history as any other poster here. This was easily a post on the forums, like I said. Not your fault, it’s the managements here. Regardless, it’s clear from your posting that you look down on FPS, and have a distain for PvP games and have already written off anyone who plays them. That and you like to just toss out crass words to increase readership, seemingly to cover up inexperience with the genre you are reviewing. You seemed to really want to let people know that with the many many references to FPS and PvP players. I bet you did walk in and piss on the drapes, most likely right after you made a toon on an open PvP server, and PvP happened.
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Originally posted by Caligulug
Not at all man, I actually appreciate the debate, as well as your support. The personal attacks are a little uncalled for (but can be responded to in kind, frankly), but other than that I'm cool. With that, I'll bow out of the discussion before I get myself in further trouble. |
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Originally posted by jedijef
Not at all man, I actually appreciate the debate, as well as your support. The personal attacks are a little uncalled for (but can be responded to in kind, frankly), but other than that I'm cool. With that, I'll bow out of the discussion before I get myself in further trouble. I’m not attacking you, I am disagreeing with parts of your article.
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Originally posted by Mrbloodworth I did. Talk to your boy. I also disagree, you may wish to re-read the article. From almost line one he was insulting the player base, and had already written them off. Blanket statements don't make it right. I won't take it persional, Have him do the same. /snip Cons That's as far as I got, so I've got to agree with Mr.B here, it's nothing personal. I don't take it as such it is however a questionable approach, considering people who play this game visit this site (for now).If this is what MMORPG.com is aiming for it might not be the place for me anymore, I'd be saying this even If I didn't play the game in question btw.
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