I have seen lots of people say that Scenarios are the fastest XP but I gotta say at tier 3 that just isn't my experience.  Endlessly running scenarios my xp creeps up.  Now I am getting renown so if you factor that in then scenarios are a win.  However if you are just looking for XP I'm gonna have to say I do quite a bit better just doing quests.  If you go to a quest hub at your level and run the quests you can do far better then scenarios.  This is expecially true as you level up to the top end of the tier.  In a scenario your xp gets less as you get higher lvl.

So unless there is a trick I'd say at tier 3 you definiely do better with PvE questing.

Originally posted by ethion

I have seen lots of people say that Scenarios are the fastest XP but I gotta say at tier 3 that just isn't my experience.  Endlessly running scenarios my xp creeps up.  Now I am getting renown so if you factor that in then scenarios are a win.  However if you are just looking for XP I'm gonna have to say I do quite a bit better just doing quests.  If you go to a quest hub at your level and run the quests you can do far better then scenarios.  This is expecially true as you level up to the top end of the tier.  In a scenario your xp gets less as you get higher lvl.

So unless there is a trick I'd say at tier 3 you definiely do better with PvE questing.

This is actually not just Tier 3.

Let's take a look at Tier 1 and Tier 2. Quests reward in Tier 1 and Tier 2 are usually from 1000 to 3000 exp per quests. Majority of quests are located around the current hub, so you don't have to run back and forth a lot. Scenario in Tier 1 and Tier 2 usually give about 3000 exp on average. If your team win and you contribute a lot, you may get 4000 or 5000 but if you team lose, you usually get less than 1000 exp.

So, if you run PvE only, you can finish a quest or 2 in 15 minutes easily and guarantee to get about 3k of exp. If you run scenario only, it depends a lot. If you team win, you could get more, but if your team lose, you get the exp equal to killing 1 mob. If you are on a server that your realm lose a lot in scenario, it's not even worth to queue up.

Scenario grinding only works on Tier 1 cause the matches never last the full amount of time.

In tier 2 and above the scenarios last till the time runs out.  So that kinda kills the Scenario grind.

Plus Tier 1 RvR is boring and is just a large scenario.  Thats why no one does it.

And PvE will never equal pvp xp.  You can make some mad xp if you get a good RvR run.

 I think it's appropriate for a PvP game that PvP gains you levels as fast as or faster than PvE. Of course you also get Renown from doing PvP. In the beginning i found there was too much scenarios going on compared to world PvP however, but this seems to have shifted now, and got halfway from 20 to 21 last night just from doing keep siege and some battlefield objective take overs, probably due to the increased XP rewards for killing enemy players. People just seem a lot more willing to go out and fight in the RvR lakes recently, at least on my server. It's great. While I like scenarios fine, I do prefer spending the most time in open RvR, even while leveling.

I don't agree fully with those who say that WAR is supposed to be only a PvP/RvR game. I don't doubt that it emphasizes those aspects of gameplay, but I'm pretty sure that Mythic intended for players to do PvE/RvR/PvP in combination. Otherwise, why would they have bothered with implementing a PvE portion to the game? It seems like to me they invested a lot of resources in making the PvE side of things: the scripted PQs, designing mob spawns, areas to go into, exploration quests, etc. I think a lot of players haven't realised how lucrative PvE can be in combination with scenarios and RvR. Sure if you want to just grind your way to 40, then by all means continue to do scenario after scenario. You're missing out on most of the game, just as you would if you only PvE or RvR. I don't want to fault anyone's playstyle, but it does seem to me that the problem is partly caused by a need for player 'instant gratification'. As a result, the desires of a few players are causing all of the rest of the players to play their way because of lack of population in other parts of the game that require group-play.

Rather than completely eliminating scenarios, it might be nicer to keep them in but nerf xp and reknown gains for both in-scenario kills and scenario quest completion. Xp in PvE should be boosted a little to make up for it and RvR reknown should be boosted. That way, people who want to do some quick PvP can still play a scenario before they have to log off, but it won't adversely affect PvE and RvR.

I like combining all three aspects of play if I can. Mythic actually designed an extremely versatile game for us players to play. It's a shame that most players are only doing 1/3 of it.

 WAR offers both PvP and PvE as options for leveling. You are free to do either exclusively or to combine them. I think most players are combining them. Only guy I know who's leveling through PvE exclusively is a friend of mine with an old computer, which makes the game too choppy for him in PvP. Anyone who says you're supposed to level "only through PvP" is being ridiculous. You do have the option of doing so if you like, though.

Try aoe pq grinding.  Its reallllly fast.

Originally posted by Auxer

I am not doing any pve content about until im done with rr 80. Not worth it for me, more money, more xp both normal and rr in scenarios.

 

why bother doing other parts of game when u gain more in pvp?

Its not more money and a good layout of PvE quests is quicker xp.  The problem with PvE is quests start to get sparse and then they are less efficient.

But one to 20 Pve Questing is more money.  Not much more but more.

A cmbination is the fastest way to level.  Of course scenarios give RR too.

No question open RvR is the worst xp by far, not even close and will alwasy slow you down.  It can be good renown though.

Originally posted by Thachsanh

Originally posted by ethion

I have seen lots of people say that Scenarios are the fastest XP but I gotta say at tier 3 that just isn't my experience.  Endlessly running scenarios my xp creeps up.  Now I am getting renown so if you factor that in then scenarios are a win.  However if you are just looking for XP I'm gonna have to say I do quite a bit better just doing quests.  If you go to a quest hub at your level and run the quests you can do far better then scenarios.  This is expecially true as you level up to the top end of the tier.  In a scenario your xp gets less as you get higher lvl.

So unless there is a trick I'd say at tier 3 you definiely do better with PvE questing.

 

This is actually not just Tier 3.

Let's take a look at Tier 1 and Tier 2. Quests reward in Tier 1 and Tier 2 are usually from 1000 to 3000 exp per quests. Majority of quests are located around the current hub, so you don't have to run back and forth a lot. Scenario in Tier 1 and Tier 2 usually give about 3000 exp on average. If your team win and you contribute a lot, you may get 4000 or 5000 but if you team lose, you usually get less than 1000 exp.

So, if you run PvE only, you can finish a quest or 2 in 15 minutes easily and guarantee to get about 3k of exp. If you run scenario only, it depends a lot. If you team win, you could get more, but if your team lose, you get the exp equal to killing 1 mob. If you are on a server that your realm lose a lot in scenario, it's not even worth to queue up.

Keep in mind that in addition to the quest XP you are also getting constant XP from killing stuff.  At tier 3 thats like 300-600 per kill which comes pretty fast as well as around 3k for the quests.  So in 15 minutes it isn't had to knock out at least one quest and kill 10-15 mobs.  Or get around 6000-9000xp.  Where doing a scenario and loosing is 2-3k and winning is maybe 6-7k.  So even if I win constantly the scenarios are still not keeping up.  And that quest xp assumes I can't layer more then one quest which is usually doable.

Originally posted by Lobotomist

This is the big problem.

Servers are empty , everyone is playing scenarios.

 

Mythic should fix this problem asap. Since people are starting to notice and get preddy pissed

 

And I agree. Scenarios should be floored. Bad idea that should die with WoW. (sorry if you like wow) And more time should be focused on world pvp. Free server transfers are being offered i think... but i havent confirmed that.

But I agree. something should be done about the scenarios... its hard enough to find people to go and take over a keep... "no im doing quests and scenarios" All in the same time you watch your zones bar go in the favor of your enemies. Yes lol, i play order.

I said combination of both. I basically am always queued for scenarios, and early in, I used to almost instantly get in. But now that there are less people on these servers, it usually takes a minute or two, so in between, I do some quests. It really isn't as much for the experience as it is for the gear to me.

My char i play only scenarios with just hit 35 last night. My PvE char is level 21.. About same playingtime on them.

That says a bit, and then consider that the lv 35 have a RR that the lv 21 only can dream off.

Originally posted by Deridium

My char i play only scenarios with just hit 35 last night. My PvE char is level 21.. About same playingtime on them.

 

That says a bit, and then consider that the lv 35 have a RR that the lv 21 only can dream off.

Thats just crazy, so much for Pauls rants about this is not a farming game and we wont be like everyone else. Seems the instance bg farming is worse in this game than any other i tried. I really hope they add the no scenario server soon.

By far the best exp is from scenario's. in tier 1, 2, & 3.   I have yet to go to 4 but in a day or 2 I will.  But for me, getting up to 30k exp and 2k renown in about 7-9minutes is not possible doing quests.

I play on the Praag server.  Don't know how you guys in other servers take the whole time limit, but that never happens in my server.

Originally posted by XiVeN

By far the best exp is from scenario's. in tier 1, 2, & 3.   I have yet to go to 4 but in a day or 2 I will.  But for me, getting up to 30k exp and 2k renown in about 7-9minutes is not possible doing quests.

I play on the Praag server.  Don't know how you guys in other servers take the whole time limit, but that never happens in my server.

yhea, scenarios are much much much better than pve for xp now, and the added bonus of getting your RR up also. cant even compare them as it is now

I stopped playing 3 weeks ago because I can't take one more scenario, not one more !

I belong to 200 people guild and all they do is scenario's, They really started to suck !

Originally posted by page

I stopped playing 3 weeks ago because I can't take one more scenario, not one more !

I belong to 200 people guild and all they do is scenario's, They really started to suck !

Yhea, this grinding that WAR is forcing people to go through is just terrible. I think about all those comments they said their game would be different, it would not be a farming game and so on. I have to say now when I see the product, they lied :(

hehe. hopefully they will understand their huge screwup and set stuff straight again. Think its too late for a lot of people, but if they want to save the game for the people who dont want to farm their scenarios over and over again, they need to do something quick.

i think scenarios make you leveling you you faster........................................................

PvE is boring. PvP is fun. Enough said. If I want a quality PvE I would play Oblivion.

think the point here is that Warhammer claimed they would not be a instance based bg farming game, and it has proven on the contrary. It is all about the instance farming alrdeady, and worse than other games prior even.

but seems like they have realised the problems as they are thinking of removing scenarios and the like, they marketed their game as a open rvr game and it turned out as a instance farming game instead. some of course like it and want to keep it, but seems like a big chunk of th playerbase want to move the players out of the scenarios for some real orvr