"Simply Star Wars" just isn't enough.

I would prefer a game like the old SWG, regardless of the franchise. Star Wars, Star Trek, Firefly...

It wasn't as much about Star Wars as it was about the freedom of the player to shape the game (as opposed to the game shaping the player).

Star Trek seems like it would be a lot better setting for a simulation type of game.  It has always involved a lot of exploration and makes the common man feel important.  Star Wars has always been about linear stories of good vs evil.  It's weird that they hired that guy to make Star Wars Galaxies with his track record for games.  I'm sure Sony will regret it forever.

Originally posted by Riceman 

Originally posted by Loke666

I didn't really get your purpose for making the thread?

You do know a bit of how the game will be if you played other Bioware games and if you didn't like KOTOR then I don't relly think you will like this game either.

And if all MMOS have hard to capture your interest, then maybe you should get another hobby, Pen and paper RPGs maybe?

Originally posted by ronan32

 

Of course the latest mmo's have failed to capture his imagination because they are all crap mindless clones of each other.The only reason you put up with these games is because they are online..you wouldnt play any of these games offline now would you.

 

I beg to differ. I played SWG since its inception in 2003 up until a few months ago. I enjoyed pre-CU, post-CU, and post-NGE, though they were very different experiences.

I have played a vast number of MMORPGs. I've tried everything from EverQuest I & II to Saga of Ryzom.

Currently, I play World of Warcraft. It's a great game. Why do I say that? Because I enjoy playing it. Since the purpose of a game is to entertain its players, it can be defined as a great game.

"Crap mindless clones" is a generalization that only someone who is single-minded in their definition of a massively multiplayer online roleplaying game can state.

Broaden your horizons, son. And if you prefer to stick in the past instead of enjoying the present, well, that is your choice.

"Currently, I play World of Warcraft. It's a great game."

"Broaden your horizons, son."

Wow, talk about two of the most contradictory statements I've ever read.

the sooner the cry baby elitist ex SWG players realize this isnt SWG and GTFO or except it, the better.

i am so sick of hearing them cry, they have literally been whining for years, freaking nerds lol

Originally posted by baphamet

the sooner the cry baby elitist ex SWG players realize this isnt SWG and GTFO or except it, the better.

i am so sick of hearing them cry, they have literally been whining for years, freaking nerds lol

Nerds are the ones who camp and checkout forums complaining about people whining without adding or putting input to the actual thread itself.

*Before people start check above for my input*

Originally posted by baphamet

the sooner the cry baby elitist ex SWG players realize this isnt SWG and GTFO or except it, the better.

i am so sick of hearing them cry, they have literally been whining for years, freaking nerds lol

Yeah, we're elitist because we think a game should actually be good and hold some level of freedom and individuality.

Maybe if you had started with something more indepth than WoW, you'd realize how sh**y of a game it really is.

And yeah, I guess if  "nerd" means speaking out against something that bothers you and actually having some standards and expectations from a game, then I'll gladly accept that title, thanks.

It's Star Wars.  It's Bioware. ...It's probably going to be a good game. Of course...there is no guarantee. It's not SWG. It's not SOE. It's not Lucasarts trying to bring back the old pre CU/NGE fan base. It's an attempt at another mmo based on a decent IP.  I just hope they don't use that stylized Clone Whore movie/series craptastically designed animation.

you are lol...

   I agree with the OP.I hate fantasy games ,books ,and what not.I love sci fi ,and have always been a big fan of star wars.That combined with the fact that swg was my first mmo made it new enough to me that i felt like a kid again playing nintendo games.SWG is auctally a prety good game now i just got sick becouse i lost everything i had worked for when the nge came out.I'm going to play Kotor online sadly even if it isn't that good for at least a year just to have a game to play on the side that is sci fi related.

OP:
 I just realized what you are saying fits in on me perfectly. It ain't often you see something and think "oh maby THIS will be my new chance of getting THAT old fanatic experience again!". But it just does NOT happen.

Not that any game on the upcoming list can make 1/3 of what SWG could IMO, but this is at least Star Wars. Something I can love regardless if it's PvE or PvP or PvBSBTSF (Blood sucking bats that shi* fire)

Anything with EA written on the box makes me instantly suspicious.

Originally posted by Airwren

Hopefully the title of the thread got you here, and now you are mad as hell and ready to flame away.  Well, I want to start off by saying that I have become an MMO cynic.  Having played through multiple MMO's since leaving SWG I find that nothing satisfies me anymore.  I get bored easily with games, get turned off by little problems, and overall can't seem to find a title that truely makes me WANT to play the game.  Now when I hear of new MMO titles coming out I start tearing them apart before I even play them.  It's like I'm trying to find a reason to not like the game before I even get going. 

But here is the thing for me, and I imagine a good many other folks.  We have become the generation of MMO players who over analyze, over think, and over criticize every aspect of the game.  We are passionate gamers, we are a group who looks at a game and says, "I bet this game would be more fun if the developers did x, y, or z."  This is a good thing, because it promotes creativity and imagination in a generation that is severely lacking in both.  However, it is our downfall because we are never satisfied with just enjoying the games. 

To anyone who feels like I do I want to encourage you with the same thing I am trying to encourage myself with.  It's Star Wars, and that alone may just be good enough for me.  I want the game to be so many things, but it is the one thing I really want already, a chance to romp again in the SW universe.  Admittedly I hate the current state of SWG, but if I were honest I would still play that unholy POS game if there were enough people to enjoy it with......simply because it's Star Wars. lol

I feel exactly the same way, and it's not a problem for me to admit it.  It's truely the oxymoron of the century.  Something about SWG was so great, but hardly anything worked in the game at 100%.  Hell, hardly any of the game worked at 50%.  So what was it that was so fascinating about it?

Maybe it was the future of the game we saw - what it could have been.  That sort of gets thrown around very loosely these days, "This game would be good if..."  No, SWG just really was that innovative.  It had all the peices to the puzzle, but the peices were somehow, not whole.  You see what I mean?

For the record, the NGE wasn't a bad idea.  I mean, it could have easily been used to make the game that much better, aside from the fact it went from a Skill Based System to a Level Based system (that alone was a pretty drastic change.)  But again, they didn't flesh out all the peices to that puzzle.  And since the game was already 2-3 years old at that point... I think a lot of people left simply because they had spent all that time waiting on something great to happen to the game, that they gave up when it felt like we were starting all over.  And in reality... the game was starting over.  It was no better than a game that had just gone to Live from a Beta that didn't exist, and probably not even that good, since the hope of the players wasn't behind it any longer.  SOE really destroyed the spirit of the game - that is what killed it for me, personally.

As for SWTOR - I agree with you.  I really don't care what they do with it, as long as it works, is fun, and it's Star Wars.  Well... I do hope they do something with that Lightsaber and Weapon size issue... but other than that - I'm happy to just be able to enjoy a Star Wars MMO with a fresh outlook, without a tarnished reputation.  I still hope someone will try their hands at a Skill Based Sandbox someday... there is so much potential in that.... and it wouldn't even have to be Star Wars.  But for SWTOR, I find myself once again excited about a game.  I've not felt this way since I learned about SWG.

 You have to  give up the addiction. It is like when you give up smoking nicotine. 

Originally posted by Airwren

Hopefully the title of the thread got you here, and now you are mad as hell and ready to flame away.  Well, I want to start off by saying that I have become an MMO cynic.  Having played through multiple MMO's since leaving SWG I find that nothing satisfies me anymore.  I get bored easily with games, get turned off by little problems, and overall can't seem to find a title that truely makes me WANT to play the game.  Now when I hear of new MMO titles coming out I start tearing them apart before I even play them.  It's like I'm trying to find a reason to not like the game before I even get going. 

But here is the thing for me, and I imagine a good many other folks.  We have become the generation of MMO players who over analyze, over think, and over criticize every aspect of the game.  We are passionate gamers, we are a group who looks at a game and says, "I bet this game would be more fun if the developers did x, y, or z."  This is a good thing, because it promotes creativity and imagination in a generation that is severely lacking in both.  However, it is our downfall because we are never satisfied with just enjoying the games. 

To anyone who feels like I do I want to encourage you with the same thing I am trying to encourage myself with.  It's Star Wars, and that alone may just be good enough for me.  I want the game to be so many things, but it is the one thing I really want already, a chance to romp again in the SW universe.  Admittedly I hate the current state of SWG, but if I were honest I would still play that unholy POS game if there were enough people to enjoy it with......simply because it's Star Wars. lol

TOR is gonna have morality... morality in quests, morality in fighting, morality in socialization.

Problem is it still recycles most clichés of WoW. But those clichés will be modified by morality: CHOICES & CONSEQUENCES.

I think it's a good reason to have faith, tho the framework is WoW's

Originally posted by ronan32

Originally posted by Loke666

I didn't really get your purpose for making the thread?

You do know a bit of how the game will be if you played other Bioware games and if you didn't like KOTOR then I don't relly think you will like this game either.

And if all MMOS have hard to capture your interest, then maybe you should get another hobby, Pen and paper RPGs maybe?

 

Of course the latest mmo's have failed to capture his imagination because they are all crap mindless clones of each other.The only reason you put up with these games is because they are online..you wouldnt play any of these games offline now would you.

This is true... these days, the only thing that is different from one game to the next is the title on the Box.  Other than that, they're all the same game.

AoC

WoW

WAR

EQ2

LotRO

Vanguard

Those games were the biggest releases in the past 4 years.  They all play exactly the same way.  They all have exactly the same gameplay features.  They all have Character Level Advancement that is exactly the same.

Now to their credit, some of them will take one gameplay feature, and focus on it to make it different.  EQ2 is the only MMO with complete Voice Over for every NPC in the game (this really does make you miss it when it's not there.)  Vanguard coins itself with a huge world to explore, with a psuedo-sandbox theme.  WoW reinnovated (well, more like remodelled the existing) standard MMO affair, that all these other games copy from.  WAR claims to have the biggest PvP drive since DAoC.  AoC marketted a revolutionary Combat system.  LotRO used the story and memorable locales as it's schtick.

Each game picked an area that hasn't been marketted, made it a little different or a little better than the rest the genre has to offer, and then made every other aspect of the game, exactly like the other MMO's have.  This list doesn't include the games that weren't highly advertised.  This is four years of the best the genre has to offer.  It's no wonder people are getting tired of it.

It's getting time for a new "it" game to come along.  I predict within the next two years, something else will erupt, and bring us out of these Dark Ages.  Maybe it's SWTOR, maybe not.  I don't necessarily want it to be - I mean, it would be cool if it were - but I just want it to be something I can enjoy.  I really hope some underdog game comes out and claims this title though.  Like Earthrise or something that utilizes a Skill Based Sandbox system.  The genre needs to have a success in that field to allow a market for diversity to grow.  It would be good for the genre and for gaming.