Well if you are using xfire..

I would say that it shows the demographic of people who use xfire are perhaps taking a break.

Personally have never used it.  I have no idea who uses it or even what percentage of players use it.  As in there are in general industry standards.. one used to be that about 10% of your players would really want to pvp.  I'm not sure what that percentage has changed to now.  Relatively what I'm saying is if say 20% of your users use xfire (I'm sure the industry as a whole has an accepted percentage whatever it may be) then you know the percentage in general that is not playing as much.

The only things about WAR which have always seemed odd to me:

1) Statements of a huge player base 500,000 or 750,000

2) Very little evidence of it in game

I honestly didn't think they opened to many servers.  With the numbers they quoted most of those should have been full.

If you had 100 servers (as an example) and 750,000 players.. you would have an average of  7500 players per server.

Yes they won't all play the same time or for the same amount of time.. but that is more than enough to not have had over half the server list be.. low or med.  When people would flame people on this very forum saying the entire list was high/high.. anyone who was actually playing could log into look at the server screen and see that was not the case.  Over half of the servers were never above med/med and most of those were low/low or med/low / low/med ...

And yes already giving free transfers or getting ready to do it.. something just seems off.. and I really have no idea what the problem was.  This was a brand new game everything should have been packed.

The game had issues and I did cancel but for me it was more something else than the game on its own.  I'll explain that as I already played DAoC and with the amount of 3rd party program use and exploits I decided I would let them deal with it and check back later.

The 3rd party programs have videos all over youtube so its not that hard to find them (for Mythic) and I got sick of reporting them... nothing being done... and watching the goldspam ban hammer press releases.  Gold spammer I had removed from my equation the first day... the other crap affected RvR every day.

 I ran into the T3 xp grind with my lvl 25 WP and decided now is a good time to roll up a Destruction alt. I wanted an openRvR pref with RP for my Witch. Unbelievable how many servers I could chose from in Europe  (not just my prefs, just the high number of serv. All low/low. I am now lvl 9 and have seen 2 order players at all, (And I did search for them). 

T3 PvE XP grind is a problem. T3 itemization is poor, I am getting tired of every armor looking basically the same. 

RvR is empty most of the time. Scenario's are not avalaible during my play time.

Nevertheless I still like WAR and will pay for subscription, but they have to change some things.

Originally posted by chryses

I dont know if Xfire is accurate or not but myself and at least 8 others did not resub for various reasons but mainly we all felt there was no point to PvP and combat was too simple.  All of us went back to different games.  In saying that though one of my best friends who is a massive gamer is addicted to WAR but its probably got to do with his guild being pretty cool.  So I guess we wont know the state of play until the magic 6 months hits us then we can see if its bleeding or just culling the gamers who don't like it.

In what way do you feel the combat is too simple?  What would have to change to make it better and not simple?

I actually went back to Age Of Conan from WAR.  Sorry, but going through 5 different areas and not seeing any different enemies, barely any difference in landscape, noticing, very clearly, that the combat system resembles WOW's system and the fact that there is no skill strategy whatsoever got really boring, really fast.   Sorry, this game gets an F for failure....wont be seeing any of my money.

I am not that knowledgeable about Xfire but it should be a pretty good representation on how a game is going even if its not showing the whole population.   Its all relative.  If you have 100 players playing a game for 10 hours a week then that is 1000 hours of gameplay. If then a week later it is 300 hours a week its obvious the game isn't retaining interest as the same 100 players are playing the game on average 3 hours a week instead of 10 (or a lot have left).  The only point here is that we do NOT know the demographic of those players but it would be hard to imagine that those 100 players are exactly the same so on a whole they should represent the wider community.

Regardless of Xfire. I just want more people to come to my server, cause it's kind of ghostish now.

If Mythic had balls they would work out how many active subs they have.  Work out how many servers they need to leave open and know they are full, apologise to everyone who is not on a busy server and shut them down.  The game is still in its infancy so do it now and dont let the game grind out a slow death.  If I had a level 30 character and I was told they are shutting my server down but there will be 1000's of more active players I may be upset but I would prefer it TBH.

Originally posted by chryses

If Mythic had balls they would work out how many active subs they have.  Work out how many servers they need to leave open and know they are full, apologise to everyone who is not on a busy server and shut them down.  The game is still in its infancy so do it now and dont let the game grind out a slow death.  If I had a level 30 character and I was told they are shutting my server down but there will be 1000's of more active players I may be upset but I would prefer it TBH.

I don't see why in this case they could allow for a server transfer?

I have 1 main (30) and 2 alts (20) I wouldn't go through it all again, not so soon at least.

Originally posted by ScamMan

Regardless of Xfire. I just want more people to come to my server, cause it's kind of ghostish now.

Mythic opened way too many servers too fast.  This a problem.  They have a decent amount of players, they are just spread out too much over too many servers.  I think they need to admit they made a mistake by opening too many servers and fix it.  Down the road I am sure the game will require more servers to open, but for now, 20-30 (medium or higher servers) is enough and quite impressive IMO.

Originally posted by chryses

If Mythic had balls they would work out how many active subs they have.  Work out how many servers they need to leave open and know they are full, apologise to everyone who is not on a busy server and shut them down.  The game is still in its infancy so do it now and dont let the game grind out a slow death.  If I had a level 30 character and I was told they are shutting my server down but there will be 1000's of more active players I may be upset but I would prefer it TBH.

I agree with you.  I think the longer they allow this issue to persisit with an abundance of low pop servers will only harm the game going forward.  Admit a mistake was made in opening too many servers and fix it.  Simple.
 

Originally posted by chryses

If Mythic had balls they would work out how many active subs they have.  Work out how many servers they need to leave open and know they are full, apologise to everyone who is not on a busy server and shut them down.  The game is still in its infancy so do it now and dont let the game grind out a slow death.  If I had a level 30 character and I was told they are shutting my server down but there will be 1000's of more active players I may be upset but I would prefer it TBH.

Sorry, but the masses would revolt if a company basically said "We have decided to delete your characters and the community you play in.  On the bright side you get to start all over on a brand new server, but we promise this time we got population issues fixed."

That is essentially what they would be doing and while you say that you would be ok with that, I can assure you the majority of people would not be. 

Not that this is even worth discussing as Mthic has already said they will have some sort of free character transfer system in place.  I think they said by next week if I am correct?

Tyvolous is right though, the longer the population issues linger the worse of Warhammer is. 

Lovely, another ridiculous X-fire thread.

You won't find many exclusive MMO players using X-fire. The ones who play religiously don't care for a useless piece of shit-ware tool that bogs down performance. What is X-fires purpose other than recording play time for signatures, finding your buddies game server (pretty obvious in an MMO), and trying to judge the overall state of a game through a very minor portion of the community on a chart?

I resubbed this month, but I must say I'm getting pretty bored already...which doesn't usually happen this soon for me.  I was hoping for more locations to grind to 40, but the PvE is just so dang linear.  I'm not going back to WoW, so I'll probably just quit the genre altogether until something more up my alley comes along.  If they had just made a real crafting system, I'd have something else to do...

It's obvious there's a big drop off in subscriptions as Mystic just announced today that there going to allow players / guilds to move there toons to a more active server starting next week...

 The game has only been out a month and there already merging servers... 

Originally posted by monoth

It's obvious there's a big drop off in subscriptions as Mystic just announced today that there going to allow players / guilds to move there toons to a more active server starting next week...

 The game has only been out a month and there already merging servers... 

 

The reason for the mergers has more to do with Mythic going overboard and making too many servers right after launch when some servers will FULL/FULL with cues.  the fact they are merging those servers is more fixing a problem then dealing with any mass exodus.  Fact is the extra servers they added were low/low from launch and never filled up.
 

For example, as of right now I am counting 22 low/low servers during primetime and 30 Medium/Medium  with a few low/medium servers.  So thats 30 Medium/Medium after the server cap increase not bad at all considering the free trial is up and the server cap increase.  Now you take the 22 low/low servers merge them into the 30 medium and you will get 30+ Medium or better capacity servers. 

In other words it is time to relax with the doom and gloom predictions, the game is doing quite well.  30+ medium or greater servers is not bad at all.  No way you can spin that.  After the merger many will be high/high.   My server is medium/medium and I just spent an hour in tier 3 RvR.  Plenty of action on it and it has been since day 1.

That's all speculation....

Besides wouldn't be the first time a developer has lowered the load requirements to show servers are more active then they are... cough cough SOE cough cough

On phoenix throne its pretty empty most of the time... although if you log in during peak hours you can sometimes find a warband in open rvr that's 3/4 full (if your lucky)...

Originally posted by ScamMan

I play WAR and resubbed and all. I am getting increasingly worried about their population problems though. It's a problem for me to find people on my server, and when I see the much debated Xfire trend I don't know what to think anymore.

www.xfire.com/games/who/Warhammer_Online_Age_of_Reckoning/

I see that WAR is down to an all time low today as well as yesterday. I have never seen that player number below 10000 and now it is suddenly on it's way to 8000. Also if I look on the trends of that Hoursplayed curve it looks very depressing. I am no math genious but I do see a drop, which is close to -25% gaming over the last two weeks. WTF is this? Does this mean that people are really quitting already?

Last thing. I also have seen server population status go down to low and medium for all/most servers. I know MJ made some comments on that server population cap was increased and that is part of the explanation. But looking on all these other indicators I think he is not telling us the full truth. What are your thoughts on this? Is Michael Jacobs lieing? If so my patience with this guy start to run out.

Two words: Tier three.

FYI

Warhammers policy on banning gold sellers may scew your numbers quite a bit.

The first month I was msged a dozen times a minutes by them. 

This month, maybe one every other day.

That says something.

On our server we don't have any gold selles, never heard from them even once. Probably casue you don't need any boost of gold in this game. I've no idea what to spend all my gold on. I play(ed) on two european servers if that makes any difference.

Originally posted by gestalt11

Originally posted by Gkarn

Originally posted by gestalt11

Originally posted by Gkarn

The comment of the free month is gone is a correct one.

You also have to understand that other games have come out too. I love Warhammer, the game is good and I love the Warhammer Universe. Far Cry 2 is now out (and it is freaking awesome), so I wont be playing Warhammer like I was. Once I get my taste of FC2, then I will be back on Warhammer. It really depends on the server you play on also.

You enjoyment factor will sky rocket if your in a good guild. It really is a good game and a new game. If they keep the trend up, it will be one to beat for awhile in its field.

You will see a big jump in subs for Christmas.
 

 

They have 3 weeks to make this game ready for christmas.  Alot of people want this game to work, but it just currently doesn't.

 

They have 3 weeks.

 

I dont think that would matter. If it did, only in small numbers.

Warhammer in my years of gaming, has had the best launch of any MMO. It is very playable, not polished as others, but very playable.

 

Have you had your entire group repeatedly destroyed in a magnet pull in 10 seconds in t3 or t4 yet?

  So ppl working as a team to kill makes the game broken? QQ srsly Its not like 2 ppl can pull an entire team in and kill all of them.  If you have good healers and smart players you will be fine. Its not like you cannot see what the engineer/magus is running in to do, I mean what the hell else do you think there going to do? Ppl who complain about this are tools for falling for it.

Have tried to advance the campaign in T4 yet?

Game has been out a month. If every server had sacked a city already your whiney @$$ would be crying end game is already completed wha wha its like wow. Cry more The games real end game is driven by players. wtf do idiots like you want. I know you cant please them all but srsly.

 

Have you seen how empty many rvr lakes can be because peopel are actively incentivized to leave or do other things?

So let me guess, you were in T3/T4 a week after release and pissed that all the zones weren't filled to the brim with enemies to kill? This is what gets me the most. You idiots level ahead of the curve while every one else is enjoying the game and finding a class and learning what everything is about. THEN you have the bright idea that somehow its the games failure that RvR which will take a long while before ANY server no matter what the pop is to come "into its own." Again, this is a player driven area of the game. Slow your roll.

 

Have you tried doing much of anything on a low pop server like Saphery or Skavenblight? 

Mergers are coming to try and fix this. Every single game has gone through this and i could understand your gripe if this game was out a year and no one said anything or done anything. Never have I seen a MMO where the devs have picked up on issues of a game so fast and moved foward to try and fix it as I have seen with WaR. OF COURSE there are bugs and problems but even you the tool of all the cry babies have to admit that this is one of the smoothest launches ever.

 

These things are broken.  In addition T3+ xp grind is awful

T3 grind? what are you talking about? I got to 40 really fast and I NEVER NEVER grinded. Unless you mean grinding quests but then srsly what the hell else is supposed to be in a MMO?????. This game has a good leveling curve, enough to lrn your class and play it well at 40. It is not hard and it is not handed to you. What the heck else do you want? Anyone who says this game has a hard leveling curve  has never played EQ, EQ2 AO Hell even WoW took longer pre xpac. Really reaching here I dont think this is a game for you.

Mythic just annouced server transfers that would also transfer guilds.  MJ says one to two weeks.  Taht is one thing down.

 Since this is one down then why is it on your "list" of failures? Shouldn't be on the "pro" side then?

 

They have 3 weeks to fix the other 4. 

Fix RvR? Grind that doesn't exist? They have made RvR renown/exp 100% better now. Also made it so renown in scenarios isnt over the top like it was. Like I said previously RvR is player driven. It is worth it now and ppl are learning that and doing it more. You have to give ppl time to level (remember its SOOOOOO hard to level that grindfest???lol) 3wks to what? WotLK? Are you kidding me? Im sure War is going to lose ppl to that xpac even if WaR was a perfect 10 but in no way is this going to kill WaR. Most ppl I know are so sick of WoW they dont care. I myself liked WoW but hated the PVP after BGs and BS arena crap. I hated scenarios in WaR and love that RvR is getting more polish

 

Not just because of WOTLK but also because people will leave in droves if this is not fixed by the second month being up.

None of the issues you stated are "broken" in the game. 1 month is nothing in an MMO. If you are that butt hurt about it I think you and all the other whiners that would something wrong no matter what should go play something else til the servers get to its prime and it all evens out. I still dont get how you ppl dont get that. End game is up to the players.

 

Unlike AoC this game is fixable by that time.

 

Once people leave in droves the game will be niche.  No game except Eve has ever recovered from it and Eve is still niche they are just the only niche that is consistently growing.

I highly doubt this game is going anywhere. this is the first time My guild and all the other "smaller guilds" that came with us to this game have been completely happy with it. Sure there are problems but NOTHING like AoC, Vangaurd or Eve (although It was ok) I love how you talk as if your statements are factual without anything to back it up. "if they dont fix the stuff that I say is wrong in 3 weeks ppl will leave in droves" lol where do ppl come up with this crap.

   This game is well done and not for everyone. Then again, no game is. CTD is annoying but in no way makes the game unplayable. As with ALL MMOs that have issues with ppl not being able to play the game I have always found that I have that issue because of something on MY end. The problem is not everyone knows enough about comps to be able to fix the issue. So what ppl do is blame the game or the devs cause they don't know any better. I check the two boards that ppl seem to frequent as unofficial "official" WaR boards and even though there are posts about ppl having technical issues thats all you see. you dont see ppl coming back to post that they fixed it or whatever. You dont see if they just quit altogether. the boards are not any indication of the all doom and gloom of a game.

  Mythic has done a good job at keeping us informed. Hell even if they are just flat out lying about it, it is still LEAPS AND BOUNDS more then any other game out there. I remember months of unstability in WoW and all we got is "we are sorry for the inconvenience and appreciate you patience at this time" crap over and over. "servers coming up at 10 AM"  well no "servers coming up at 1pm now"

  I know alot of ppl are still pissed at the fact that MMOs are stuck in this mode that they dont have to be completely finished when they release. its a huge venture with alot of ppl coming together. WaR for all its faults is no where near the "crap" some of you ppl say it is. its pretty sad that you have nothing better to do then to sit and talk crap about something you say you dont even like. What does it matter? Go play soemthing else then. Cancel your account. Get that nasty company for taking your money! Show them what up. in the end of the day just stfu and go play WoW or whatever.

Damn it. It is happening. Time to find a new game. Was playing yesterday and game was more dead than ever. Well today I see why. Just lost 25% of out gamers since last week. This is the most volent drop in history.www.xfire.com/games/who/Warhammer_Online_Age_of_Reckoning/

Looks like I must find a new game by next month. Suggestions?

Originally posted by ScamMan

Damn it. It is happening. Time to find a new game. Was playing yesterday and game was more dead than ever. Well today I see why. Just lost 25% of out gamers since last week. This is the most volent drop in history.www.xfire.com/games/who/Warhammer_Online_Age_of_Reckoning/

Looks like I must find a new game by next month. Suggestions?

Lets be accurate. Xfire registered 25% less hours played since last week. Reasons could be multiple. And it seems it's a steady decline, even a bit less steep last week so there is no reason you should see a difference now.

Originally posted by altairzq

Originally posted by ScamMan

Damn it. It is happening. Time to find a new game. Was playing yesterday and game was more dead than ever. Well today I see why. Just lost 25% of out gamers since last week. This is the most volent drop in history.www.xfire.com/games/who/Warhammer_Online_Age_of_Reckoning/

Looks like I must find a new game by next month. Suggestions?

 

Lets be accurate. Xfire registered 25% less hours played since last week. Reasons could be multiple. And it seems it's a steady decline, even a bit less steep last week so there is no reason you should see a difference now.

Free months are ending, probably why the big drop off.

Originally posted by brostyn

I dunno about using Xfire as an indicator of anything. I will say this, though, I have all but quit playing. I did resub, but I find I have little motivation to log in. I'm just not enjoying the game like I was the first 3 weeks.

Pretty much like me. I did resub, but the other night I just logged in and felt really bored with it all and haven't brought myself to log in since. With Fallout 3 out the end of next week I doubt I play much WAR this month. Then I got Far Cry 2 to buy still as that was out last week, and Diablo 3 is to be released in Nov as well. Some great Pc games heading our way for winter 2008. .

Subs could also be down for MMO's in general as hard times have hit the world and poeple have to give up a luxery or two.

Originally posted by Tyvolus1

In other words it is time to relax with the doom and gloom predictions, the game is doing quite well.  30+ medium or greater servers is not bad at all.  No way you can spin that.  After the merger many will be high/high.   My server is medium/medium and I just spent an hour in tier 3 RvR.  Plenty of action on it and it has been since day 1.

Oh I'm not predicting doom and gloom...in fact I hope WAR does quite well.  WoW is rubbish software in 2008 IMHO, and I for one hope it dies out so people will try other games.

But it's just not for me personally.  I've been wanting a game most like my old MUDs, and Darkfall looks like it may indeed be what I desire.  Time will only tell.