Turbine brought out Asherson Call...kinda rocky when it started but turned out to be a great MMO.

Turnbine then released Ac2, one of the rare MMO's in history that failed so bad they shut down the servers...(Horizon's and shadowbane still have active servers !)

Then they released DDO, same rocky start, big drop off of players. Right now its better but its still a very small niche player.

They finally get it right with Lord of the rings. boom success.

so it took Turbine literally 4 MMO's before they got it right and people still love them...

Originally posted by kazson

Turbine brought out Asherson Call...kinda rocky when it started but turned out to be a great MMO.

Turnbine then released Ac2, one of the rare MMO's in history that failed so bad they shut down the servers...(Horizon's and shadowbane still have active servers !)

Then they released DDO, same rocky start, big drop off of players. Right now its better but its still a very small niche player.

They finally get it right with Lord of the rings. boom success.

so it took Turbine literally 4 MMO's before they got it right and people still love them...

 

LOTRO is not the huge success you are thinking it is.  I think it ranks #32 in hours played on Xfire.  I read an article about 2 months ago talking about how turbine has to do something to generate revenue since most people opted to go lifetime subs and now its gonna be exp and after exp.  Im guessing it will also be weather they are ready or not, since the need for capital will prevail.

As for loving turbine, I for one am FAR from that.  That being said, they did offer pretty steady free content updates to LOTRO and they did it in a fairly bug free way - all in all, they are aces in terms of development over funcom.  Turbines AH system WORKED at launch though it did have its issues, they were quickly addressed.

This is one of the smartest things I have ever seen in terms of game development : Just before the game came out of beta, turbine nerfed everyone. Across the board class and equipment nerf.  When the game launched, the first 6 patches were BUFF patches to bring the characters abilities back up into an acceptable range. 

Man they had people praising them left and right on the forums.... Hmmmmm

Originally posted by kazson

Turbine brought out Asherson Call...kinda rocky when it started but turned out to be a great MMO.

Turnbine then released Ac2, one of the rare MMO's in history that failed so bad they shut down the servers...(Horizon's and shadowbane still have active servers !)

Then they released DDO, same rocky start, big drop off of players. Right now its better but its still a very small niche player.

They finally get it right with Lord of the rings. boom success.

so it took Turbine literally 4 MMO's before they got it right and people still love them...

 

Yet, there are those of us who think even LOTRO is a farce...(<<-----ME---->>)

So, they have YET to get it right for me...yet, I like AoC..more fun overall even with their decisions and bugginess..

They don't BullShit the players like Funcom and they don't nerf their game like SoE.

Turbine did a huge mistake by releasing an expansion before shutting the servers.
For that mistake it has been hated for a while, but after that they kept a low profile, and although DDO has never been that huge success they never changed the game to appeal to a wider audiance like SoE would have done, and they stuck with their player base.
Then they came up with LOTRO which is a decent game, so that little mistake they did few years ago has well and truly forgotten.

Turbine did not decieve their customers like Funcom did. Even once everyone knew what was up with AOC Funcom still denied problems and acted as though it was a perfect game compared to every other MMO.

Remember the steak and wine scenario? Yeah gloating about how great your game is when its not and then avoiding your customers and ninja charging their credit cards after they cancel. You really cant compare Funcom to any other devoloper ever. Sony may have completly changed a game and other developers may have done things people disagreed with but I cant really think of a company that did all of those things that Funcom did to their customers.

I bet Gaute still raves about the game even to this day and tells everyone about it while he stands in the unemployment line. 

There are alot of people that will not even pre order MMO's again after what Funcom did and some people even gave up on MMO's all together.

I didn't see Funcom doing anything different from any other MMO at launch.  They released with stuff still not finished like most mmo's.  They played the deny and excuse game like Blizzard did with the honor system that was supposedly ready for launch and that turbine did with most things in DDO.   They Overhyped their game knowing it wasn't ready to hold subscribers like EQ2  and Tabula rasa did.   To me the only thing that changed was the players.  In past launches the players would take whatever they were given and they'd deal with it.  In AoC everyone had the "this game should be perfect and any bug fixes should come instantly " attitude.  Then it took on the Napoleon Dynamite quality as I like to call it where it's cool to do something.  Like watch a crappy movie and say it rocks.  But in this case it was the cool thing to do to say it sucks even if you've never played it.

Was AoC ready for launch?  No  Did it get treated abnormally compared to other MMO's? In my opinion Yes.  Was Gaute Godager an idiot?  Yes and this was known since AO.  The fact is AoC will be just Like AO.  It will start crappy but come back to have a pretty strong and loyal following after Guadager left.

Originally posted by arimer

I didn't see Funcom doing anything different from any other MMO at launch.  They released with stuff still not finished like most mmo's.  They played the deny and excuse game like Blizzard did with the honor system that was supposedly ready for launch and that turbine did with most things in DDO.   They Overhyped their game knowing it wasn't ready to hold subscribers like EQ2  and Tabula rasa did.   To me the only thing that changed was the players.  In past launches the players would take whatever they were given and they'd deal with it.  In AoC everyone had the "this game should be perfect and any bug fixes should come instantly " attitude.  Then it took on the Napoleon Dynamite quality as I like to call it where it's cool to do something.  Like watch a crappy movie and say it rocks.  But in this case it was the cool thing to do to say it sucks even if you've never played it.

Was AoC ready for launch?  No  Did it get treated abnormally compared to other MMO's? In my opinion Yes.  Was Gaute Godager an idiot?  Yes and this was known since AO.  The fact is AoC will be just Like AO.  It will start crappy but come back to have a pretty strong and loyal following after Guadager left.

Well stated, and truth.

The only games to even get close to this hate was Vanguard and the NGE...and then not like this insane mob stylings of everyone taking on an SOE-Fail signature avatar image or something...

Yet, SOE CONSTANTLY does this crap to their customers..

Why so different an attitude?

Originally posted by arimer

I didn't see Funcom doing anything different from any other MMO at launch.  They released with stuff still not finished like most mmo's.  They played the deny and excuse game like Blizzard did with the honor system that was supposedly ready for launch and that turbine did with most things in DDO.   They Overhyped their game knowing it wasn't ready to hold subscribers like EQ2  and Tabula rasa did.   To me the only thing that changed was the players.  In past launches the players would take whatever they were given and they'd deal with it.  In AoC everyone had the "this game should be perfect and any bug fixes should come instantly " attitude.  Then it took on the Napoleon Dynamite quality as I like to call it where it's cool to do something.  Like watch a crappy movie and say it rocks.  But in this case it was the cool thing to do to say it sucks even if you've never played it.

Was AoC ready for launch?  No  Did it get treated abnormally compared to other MMO's? In my opinion Yes.  Was Gaute Godager an idiot?  Yes and this was known since AO.  The fact is AoC will be just Like AO.  It will start crappy but come back to have a pretty strong and loyal following after Guadager left.

Easily one of the best post in ages in these forums.

A company has to redeem itself for lying, but if you kill it there is no way to accomplish this nor chance to do otherwise.

Originally posted by openedge1

Originally posted by arimer

I didn't see Funcom doing anything different from any other MMO at launch.  They released with stuff still not finished like most mmo's.  They played the deny and excuse game like Blizzard did with the honor system that was supposedly ready for launch and that turbine did with most things in DDO.   They Overhyped their game knowing it wasn't ready to hold subscribers like EQ2  and Tabula rasa did.   To me the only thing that changed was the players.  In past launches the players would take whatever they were given and they'd deal with it.  In AoC everyone had the "this game should be perfect and any bug fixes should come instantly " attitude.  Then it took on the Napoleon Dynamite quality as I like to call it where it's cool to do something.  Like watch a crappy movie and say it rocks.  But in this case it was the cool thing to do to say it sucks even if you've never played it.

Was AoC ready for launch?  No  Did it get treated abnormally compared to other MMO's? In my opinion Yes.  Was Gaute Godager an idiot?  Yes and this was known since AO.  The fact is AoC will be just Like AO.  It will start crappy but come back to have a pretty strong and loyal following after Guadager left.

Well stated, and truth.

The only games to even get close to this hate was Vanguard and the NGE...and then not like this insane mob stylings of everyone taking on an SOE-Fail signature avatar image or something...

Yet, SOE CONSTANTLY does this crap to their customers..

Why so different an attitude?

SWG was far better at launch than AoC, in fact ive seen poeple on the forums begging to have it put back to the way it WAS at launch.  Wont see that on AoC forums now will you? Great way to cover FUNCOM for the crap game they released though... Everyones doing it... well what if they all jumped off a bridge? Would you pay to play that one too?

Originally posted by arimer

I didn't see Funcom doing anything different from any other MMO at launch.  They released with stuff still not finished like most mmo's.  They played the deny and excuse game like Blizzard did with the honor system that was supposedly ready for launch and that turbine did with most things in DDO.   They Overhyped their game knowing it wasn't ready to hold subscribers like EQ2  and Tabula rasa did.   To me the only thing that changed was the players.  In past launches the players would take whatever they were given and they'd deal with it.  In AoC everyone had the "this game should be perfect and any bug fixes should come instantly " attitude.  Then it took on the Napoleon Dynamite quality as I like to call it where it's cool to do something.  Like watch a crappy movie and say it rocks.  But in this case it was the cool thing to do to say it sucks even if you've never played it.

Was AoC ready for launch?  No  Did it get treated abnormally compared to other MMO's? In my opinion Yes.  Was Gaute Godager an idiot?  Yes and this was known since AO.  The fact is AoC will be just Like AO.  It will start crappy but come back to have a pretty strong and loyal following after Guadager left.

What about the interviews that EE did with the press prior to AoC's launch touting the PVP as epic - even though sieges were disabled for release? ? Why is the PVP system still only half in the game 153 days after launch? HMMM - of course they did things differently everything from improper billing to out and out lying! 

No company has done so much to alienate their customers all at once as this one has done.  SOE maybe got close with that outta nowhere complete revamp of SWG.  Yea they screwed up almost as bad as FUNCOM, ALMOST being the key word there.

Originally posted by lumache

Originally posted by openedge1

Originally posted by arimer

I didn't see Funcom doing anything different from any other MMO at launch.  They released with stuff still not finished like most mmo's.  They played the deny and excuse game like Blizzard did with the honor system that was supposedly ready for launch and that turbine did with most things in DDO.   They Overhyped their game knowing it wasn't ready to hold subscribers like EQ2  and Tabula rasa did.   To me the only thing that changed was the players.  In past launches the players would take whatever they were given and they'd deal with it.  In AoC everyone had the "this game should be perfect and any bug fixes should come instantly " attitude.  Then it took on the Napoleon Dynamite quality as I like to call it where it's cool to do something.  Like watch a crappy movie and say it rocks.  But in this case it was the cool thing to do to say it sucks even if you've never played it.

Was AoC ready for launch?  No  Did it get treated abnormally compared to other MMO's? In my opinion Yes.  Was Gaute Godager an idiot?  Yes and this was known since AO.  The fact is AoC will be just Like AO.  It will start crappy but come back to have a pretty strong and loyal following after Guadager left.

Well stated, and truth.

The only games to even get close to this hate was Vanguard and the NGE...and then not like this insane mob stylings of everyone taking on an SOE-Fail signature avatar image or something...

Yet, SOE CONSTANTLY does this crap to their customers..

Why so different an attitude?

 

SWG was far better at launch than AoC, in fact ive seen poeple on the forums begging to have it put back to the way it WAS at launch.  Wont see that on AoC forums now will you? Great way to cover FUNCOM for the crap game they released though... Everyones doing it... well what if they all jumped off a bridge? Would you pay to play that one too?

 

Yet, to take a game everyone loves and totally screw it over is ok in your eyes? (NGE)

Or have a developer talk up a game that is so badly broken that the staff is fired in the parking lot...thats ok too? (Vanguard)

Talk about priorities...Sorry, you are incorrect in thinking that AoC is even alone in this mess.

Originally posted by lumache

Originally posted by arimer

I didn't see Funcom doing anything different from any other MMO at launch.  They released with stuff still not finished like most mmo's.  They played the deny and excuse game like Blizzard did with the honor system that was supposedly ready for launch and that turbine did with most things in DDO.   They Overhyped their game knowing it wasn't ready to hold subscribers like EQ2  and Tabula rasa did.   To me the only thing that changed was the players.  In past launches the players would take whatever they were given and they'd deal with it.  In AoC everyone had the "this game should be perfect and any bug fixes should come instantly " attitude.  Then it took on the Napoleon Dynamite quality as I like to call it where it's cool to do something.  Like watch a crappy movie and say it rocks.  But in this case it was the cool thing to do to say it sucks even if you've never played it.

Was AoC ready for launch?  No  Did it get treated abnormally compared to other MMO's? In my opinion Yes.  Was Gaute Godager an idiot?  Yes and this was known since AO.  The fact is AoC will be just Like AO.  It will start crappy but come back to have a pretty strong and loyal following after Guadager left.

 

What about the interviews that EE did with the press prior to AoC's launch touting the PVP as epic - even though sieges were disabled for release? ? Why is the PVP system still only half in the game 153 days after launch? HMMM - of course they did things differently everything from improper billing to out and out lying! 

No company has done so much to alienate their customers all at once as this one has done.  SOE maybe got close with that outta nowhere complete revamp of SWG.  Yea they screwed up almost as bad as FUNCOM, ALMOST being the key word there.

Yet, AoC still hovers between #35 - #40 on Xfire...and where is SWG? Vanguard? Matrix?

People feel AoC at least has something to offer, and are willing to give the new director a chance...and this is something SOE cannot offer, and has stepped over their customers time and again...

Don't get me wrong, Funcom screwed up...big time, but the recent moves to fix that issue (which was Gaute all along) made the difference...

Look at Vanguard to see how a game can progress when you get rid of the disease in the first place...it at least is making headway...AoC deserves just as much of a chance...

Originally posted by openedge1

Originally posted by lumache

Originally posted by arimer

I didn't see Funcom doing anything different from any other MMO at launch.  They released with stuff still not finished like most mmo's.  They played the deny and excuse game like Blizzard did with the honor system that was supposedly ready for launch and that turbine did with most things in DDO.   They Overhyped their game knowing it wasn't ready to hold subscribers like EQ2  and Tabula rasa did.   To me the only thing that changed was the players.  In past launches the players would take whatever they were given and they'd deal with it.  In AoC everyone had the "this game should be perfect and any bug fixes should come instantly " attitude.  Then it took on the Napoleon Dynamite quality as I like to call it where it's cool to do something.  Like watch a crappy movie and say it rocks.  But in this case it was the cool thing to do to say it sucks even if you've never played it.

Was AoC ready for launch?  No  Did it get treated abnormally compared to other MMO's? In my opinion Yes.  Was Gaute Godager an idiot?  Yes and this was known since AO.  The fact is AoC will be just Like AO.  It will start crappy but come back to have a pretty strong and loyal following after Guadager left.

 

What about the interviews that EE did with the press prior to AoC's launch touting the PVP as epic - even though sieges were disabled for release? ? Why is the PVP system still only half in the game 153 days after launch? HMMM - of course they did things differently everything from improper billing to out and out lying! 

No company has done so much to alienate their customers all at once as this one has done.  SOE maybe got close with that outta nowhere complete revamp of SWG.  Yea they screwed up almost as bad as FUNCOM, ALMOST being the key word there.

Yet, AoC still hovers between #35 - #40 on Xfire...and where is SWG? Vanguard? Matrix?

People feel AoC at least has something to offer, and are willing to give the new director a chance...and this is something SOE cannot offer, and has stepped over their customers time and again...

Don't get me wrong, Funcom screwed up...big time, but the recent moves to fix that issue (which was Gaute all along) made the difference...

Look at Vanguard to see how a game can progress when you get rid of the disease in the first place...it at least is making headway...AoC deserves just as much of a chance...

Deserves? When they send me a mercedes maybe.... But I just dont see myself renewing when my account expires in december.... I gave them my money for 6months and was digusted enough to stop regularly playing august. But Ive put my money where my mouth is and until my money runs out, Ill keep running my mouth.

Originally posted by lumache

Originally posted by openedge1

Originally posted by lumache

Originally posted by arimer

I didn't see Funcom doing anything different from any other MMO at launch.  They released with stuff still not finished like most mmo's.  They played the deny and excuse game like Blizzard did with the honor system that was supposedly ready for launch and that turbine did with most things in DDO.   They Overhyped their game knowing it wasn't ready to hold subscribers like EQ2  and Tabula rasa did.   To me the only thing that changed was the players.  In past launches the players would take whatever they were given and they'd deal with it.  In AoC everyone had the "this game should be perfect and any bug fixes should come instantly " attitude.  Then it took on the Napoleon Dynamite quality as I like to call it where it's cool to do something.  Like watch a crappy movie and say it rocks.  But in this case it was the cool thing to do to say it sucks even if you've never played it.

Was AoC ready for launch?  No  Did it get treated abnormally compared to other MMO's? In my opinion Yes.  Was Gaute Godager an idiot?  Yes and this was known since AO.  The fact is AoC will be just Like AO.  It will start crappy but come back to have a pretty strong and loyal following after Guadager left.

 

What about the interviews that EE did with the press prior to AoC's launch touting the PVP as epic - even though sieges were disabled for release? ? Why is the PVP system still only half in the game 153 days after launch? HMMM - of course they did things differently everything from improper billing to out and out lying! 

No company has done so much to alienate their customers all at once as this one has done.  SOE maybe got close with that outta nowhere complete revamp of SWG.  Yea they screwed up almost as bad as FUNCOM, ALMOST being the key word there.

Yet, AoC still hovers between #35 - #40 on Xfire...and where is SWG? Vanguard? Matrix?

People feel AoC at least has something to offer, and are willing to give the new director a chance...and this is something SOE cannot offer, and has stepped over their customers time and again...

Don't get me wrong, Funcom screwed up...big time, but the recent moves to fix that issue (which was Gaute all along) made the difference...

Look at Vanguard to see how a game can progress when you get rid of the disease in the first place...it at least is making headway...AoC deserves just as much of a chance...

 

Deserves? When they send me a mercedes maybe.... But I just dont see myself renewing when my account expires in december.... I gave them my money for 6months and was digusted enough to stop regularly playing august. But Ive put my money where my mouth is and until my money runs out, Ill keep running my mouth.

Well if you get a mercedes for 6 months worth of subs you drop me a line please.

This is just to show the imbalance between facts and emotions people put with mmo's.Your feelings are worth a mercedes... Cry more noob, I bet you're the kind of player that moan on forums when someone ninja loot your epic drop!

Originally posted by lumache

Originally posted by openedge1

Originally posted by arimer

I didn't see Funcom doing anything different from any other MMO at launch.  They released with stuff still not finished like most mmo's.  They played the deny and excuse game like Blizzard did with the honor system that was supposedly ready for launch and that turbine did with most things in DDO.   They Overhyped their game knowing it wasn't ready to hold subscribers like EQ2  and Tabula rasa did.   To me the only thing that changed was the players.  In past launches the players would take whatever they were given and they'd deal with it.  In AoC everyone had the "this game should be perfect and any bug fixes should come instantly " attitude.  Then it took on the Napoleon Dynamite quality as I like to call it where it's cool to do something.  Like watch a crappy movie and say it rocks.  But in this case it was the cool thing to do to say it sucks even if you've never played it.

Was AoC ready for launch?  No  Did it get treated abnormally compared to other MMO's? In my opinion Yes.  Was Gaute Godager an idiot?  Yes and this was known since AO.  The fact is AoC will be just Like AO.  It will start crappy but come back to have a pretty strong and loyal following after Guadager left.

Well stated, and truth.

The only games to even get close to this hate was Vanguard and the NGE...and then not like this insane mob stylings of everyone taking on an SOE-Fail signature avatar image or something...

Yet, SOE CONSTANTLY does this crap to their customers..

Why so different an attitude?

 

SWG was far better at launch than AoC, in fact ive seen poeple on the forums begging to have it put back to the way it WAS at launch.  Wont see that on AoC forums now will you? Great way to cover FUNCOM for the crap game they released though... Everyones doing it... well what if they all jumped off a bridge? Would you pay to play that one too?

 

I don't think you played SWG at launch, nothing was in the game aside from mobs and the skill system. Everything promised for the game took months to be implemented. There was a huge amount of bugs a lot of game breaking bugs actually.

When I say there was nothing in the game, I'm not referring to crafted materials (most items) which was to be expected. I'm referring to mounts, shuttleports for cities. The battleground static areas on all planets were broken, and never fixed. Through it's entire pre-cu life span (almost 2 years) there was only one viable set of armor. So everyone wore the same thing even jedi early on... If this were teh SWG forum I'd go in to more detail.

People want SWG reverted back to pre-publish 9, before the jedi changes.SWG had one of the worst launches in the industry, believe me I'm still a pre-cu fanboi, yet I can tell you straight up AOC was ten times more complete at launch.

Originally posted by BoudahXL

Cry more noob, I bet you're the kind of player that moan on forums when someone ninja loot your epic drop!

Thank you for injecting the 12yo perspective to this thread. I am certain that all of us learned a lesson from your amazing insight.

OT: Never experienced any SOE games or the problematic Mythic games - Only followed the LOTRO launch and am still subscribed. When I look at the various forums it seems pretty clear that at least one deciding factor is the human/social aspect: Smedly, Gaute Godager and even Erling Ellingsen types generate an amount of hate when it turns out their actions/claims does not hold water.

The arrogance of Gaute Godager (wasting considerable development time sending dev. teams in different directions pursuing GG Ideas and more) clearly (retrospective) infested the whole company to a certain extent. One example being the way Lumache+housemate was treated for reporting the 'female attack speed problem'. At that time I lost most of my interest in the official forums and in the process I also formed a pretty negative opinion of a part of the 'community' - For some reason the partial post I quoted gave me a flashback.

In short: Funcom was punished for the GG+EE factor, but now with (some) direction in development, Gaute out of the shop and Erling on extended vacation AoC does deserve a second fighting chance.

Originally posted by BoudahXL

Originally posted by lumache

Originally posted by openedge1

Originally posted by lumache

Originally posted by arimer

I didn't see Funcom doing anything different from any other MMO at launch.  They released with stuff still not finished like most mmo's.  They played the deny and excuse game like Blizzard did with the honor system that was supposedly ready for launch and that turbine did with most things in DDO.   They Overhyped their game knowing it wasn't ready to hold subscribers like EQ2  and Tabula rasa did.   To me the only thing that changed was the players.  In past launches the players would take whatever they were given and they'd deal with it.  In AoC everyone had the "this game should be perfect and any bug fixes should come instantly " attitude.  Then it took on the Napoleon Dynamite quality as I like to call it where it's cool to do something.  Like watch a crappy movie and say it rocks.  But in this case it was the cool thing to do to say it sucks even if you've never played it.

Was AoC ready for launch?  No  Did it get treated abnormally compared to other MMO's? In my opinion Yes.  Was Gaute Godager an idiot?  Yes and this was known since AO.  The fact is AoC will be just Like AO.  It will start crappy but come back to have a pretty strong and loyal following after Guadager left.

 

What about the interviews that EE did with the press prior to AoC's launch touting the PVP as epic - even though sieges were disabled for release? ? Why is the PVP system still only half in the game 153 days after launch? HMMM - of course they did things differently everything from improper billing to out and out lying! 

No company has done so much to alienate their customers all at once as this one has done.  SOE maybe got close with that outta nowhere complete revamp of SWG.  Yea they screwed up almost as bad as FUNCOM, ALMOST being the key word there.

Yet, AoC still hovers between #35 - #40 on Xfire...and where is SWG? Vanguard? Matrix?

People feel AoC at least has something to offer, and are willing to give the new director a chance...and this is something SOE cannot offer, and has stepped over their customers time and again...

Don't get me wrong, Funcom screwed up...big time, but the recent moves to fix that issue (which was Gaute all along) made the difference...

Look at Vanguard to see how a game can progress when you get rid of the disease in the first place...it at least is making headway...AoC deserves just as much of a chance...

 

Deserves? When they send me a mercedes maybe.... But I just dont see myself renewing when my account expires in december.... I gave them my money for 6months and was digusted enough to stop regularly playing august. But Ive put my money where my mouth is and until my money runs out, Ill keep running my mouth.

Well if you get a mercedes for 6 months worth of subs you drop me a line please.

This is just to show the imbalance between facts and emotions people put with mmo's.Your feelings are worth a mercedes... Cry more noob, I bet you're the kind of player that moan on forums when someone ninja loot your epic drop!

no way! MY MERCEDES ! MINE! There are no epic drops in AoC that are worth a damn though, are there?

Originally posted by Halandir

Originally posted by BoudahXL

Cry more noob, I bet you're the kind of player that moan on forums when someone ninja loot your epic drop!

 

Thank you for injecting the 12yo perspective to this thread. I am certain that all of us learned a lesson from your amazing insight.

OT: Never experienced any SOE games or the problematic Mythic games - Only followed the LOTRO launch and am still subscribed. When I look at the various forums it seems pretty clear that at least one deciding factor is the human/social aspect: Smedly, Gaute Godager and even Erling Ellingsen types generate an amount of hate when it turns out their actions/claims does not hold water.

The arrogance of Gaute Godager (wasting considerable development time sending dev. teams in different directions pursuing GG Ideas and more) clearly (retrospective) infested the whole company to a certain extent. One example being the way Lumache+housemate was treated for reporting the 'female attack speed problem'. At that time I lost most of my interest in the official forums and in the process I also formed a pretty negative opinion of a part of the 'community' - For some reason the partial post I quoted gave me a flashback.

In short: Funcom was punished for the GG+EE factor, but now with (some) direction in development, Gaute out of the shop and Erling on extended vacation AoC does deserve a second fighting chance.

 

Erm 12 yo injection...How about a reply in term of William Claude Dukenfield, I really meant to use kid mmo trash talk to illustrate the point using cynicism, I didn't expect someone to read otherwise but if I had to redo my post I'd prolly add *cynicism* at the end to be sure.

Oh and btw I agree with the rest of your post.The person in charge of PR should have directed those players (GG and EE) a whole lot better.Or maybe GG just went over PR, history will tell.For my part I don't think any company could really say publicly:"we fucked up big time".

Originally posted by BoudahXL

Originally posted by Halandir

Originally posted by BoudahXL

Cry more noob, I bet you're the kind of player that moan on forums when someone ninja loot your epic drop!

 

Thank you for injecting the 12yo perspective to this thread. I am certain that all of us learned a lesson from your amazing insight.

OT: Never experienced any SOE games or the problematic Mythic games - Only followed the LOTRO launch and am still subscribed. When I look at the various forums it seems pretty clear that at least one deciding factor is the human/social aspect: Smedly, Gaute Godager and even Erling Ellingsen types generate an amount of hate when it turns out their actions/claims does not hold water.

The arrogance of Gaute Godager (wasting considerable development time sending dev. teams in different directions pursuing GG Ideas and more) clearly (retrospective) infested the whole company to a certain extent. One example being the way Lumache+housemate was treated for reporting the 'female attack speed problem'. At that time I lost most of my interest in the official forums and in the process I also formed a pretty negative opinion of a part of the 'community' - For some reason the partial post I quoted gave me a flashback.

In short: Funcom was punished for the GG+EE factor, but now with (some) direction in development, Gaute out of the shop and Erling on extended vacation AoC does deserve a second fighting chance.

 

Erm 12 yo injection...How about a reply in term of William Claude Dukenfield, I really meant to use kid mmo trash talk to illustrate the point using cynicism, I didn't expect someone to read otherwise but if I had to redo my post I'd prolly add *cynicism* at the end to be sure.

 

Oh and btw I agree with the rest of your post.The person in charge of PR should have directed those players (GG and EE) a whole lot better.Or maybe GG just went over PR, history will tell.For my part I don't think any company could really say publicly:"we fucked up big time".

 

Funcom will need to do just that over and over in the hopes that some people forget the abhorrent treatment they suffered when simply trying to get a straight answer outta them. 
 

Like I said "Mercedes" please! Diamond graphite in color, leather and a moonroof at least.Oh and throw in the performance package and the sport wheels. Nothing short of that kind of apology is gonna work for a lot of folks.  Funcom made their bed and now has to sleep in it, they shot the crow now they have to eat it. Ok Ill stopp with the silly expressions, but you take my meaning now doncha?

Originally posted by lumache

Originally posted by BoudahXL

Originally posted by Halandir

Originally posted by BoudahXL

Cry more noob, I bet you're the kind of player that moan on forums when someone ninja loot your epic drop!

 

Thank you for injecting the 12yo perspective to this thread. I am certain that all of us learned a lesson from your amazing insight.

OT: Never experienced any SOE games or the problematic Mythic games - Only followed the LOTRO launch and am still subscribed. When I look at the various forums it seems pretty clear that at least one deciding factor is the human/social aspect: Smedly, Gaute Godager and even Erling Ellingsen types generate an amount of hate when it turns out their actions/claims does not hold water.

The arrogance of Gaute Godager (wasting considerable development time sending dev. teams in different directions pursuing GG Ideas and more) clearly (retrospective) infested the whole company to a certain extent. One example being the way Lumache+housemate was treated for reporting the 'female attack speed problem'. At that time I lost most of my interest in the official forums and in the process I also formed a pretty negative opinion of a part of the 'community' - For some reason the partial post I quoted gave me a flashback.

In short: Funcom was punished for the GG+EE factor, but now with (some) direction in development, Gaute out of the shop and Erling on extended vacation AoC does deserve a second fighting chance.

 

Erm 12 yo injection...How about a reply in term of William Claude Dukenfield, I really meant to use kid mmo trash talk to illustrate the point using cynicism, I didn't expect someone to read otherwise but if I had to redo my post I'd prolly add *cynicism* at the end to be sure.

 

Oh and btw I agree with the rest of your post.The person in charge of PR should have directed those players (GG and EE) a whole lot better.Or maybe GG just went over PR, history will tell.For my part I don't think any company could really say publicly:"we fucked up big time".

 

Funcom will need to do just that over and over in the hopes that some people forget the abhorrent treatment they suffered when simply trying to get a straight answer outta them. 
 

Like I said "Mercedes" please! Diamond graphite in color, leather and a moonroof at least.Oh and throw in the performance package and the sport wheels. Nothing short of that kind of apology is gonna work for a lot of folks.  Funcom made their bed and now has to sleep in it, they shot the crow now they have to eat it. Ok Ill stopp with the silly expressions, but you take my meaning now doncha?

The above is exactly how I feel about LOTRO, yet so many think it deserves praise.

This is the issue. You have a problem with AoC, I and many others do not.

I have a problem with LOTRO and others do...but so many do not.

Who really is right or wrong here? Both? Neither?

Does not matter. The fact remains...Funcom made their apology.

Gaute is gone.

I am satisfied.

You are just a little too demanding. Kids nowadays anyways.

Originally posted by BoudahXL 

Erm 12 yo injection...How about a reply in term of William Claude Dukenfield, I really meant to use kid mmo trash talk to illustrate the point using cynicism, I didn't expect someone to read otherwise but if I had to redo my post I'd prolly add *cynicism* at the end to be sure.

Crap - Sorry for missing that entirely. I blame society, my upbringing and Tina in 3.rd grade (the bitch).
Don't add [cynicism] tags please - I prefer a wakeup call when I am making a fool of myself

Heh - And after having kids of my own I finally feel I understand WC Fields

 http://www.thenoobcomic.com/index.php?pos=315 Pretty much sums it up for me!

Originally posted by kazson

Turbine brought out Asherson Call...kinda rocky when it started but turned out to be a great MMO.

Turnbine then released Ac2, one of the rare MMO's in history that failed so bad they shut down the servers...(Horizon's and shadowbane still have active servers !)

Then they released DDO, same rocky start, big drop off of players. Right now its better but its still a very small niche player.

They finally get it right with Lord of the rings. boom success.

so it took Turbine literally 4 MMO's before they got it right and people still love them...

 

Turbine doesn't treat it's customers like dollar signs which is essentially what Funcom did when they launched AOC in the state it was. I'm fairly certain that before launch there was atleast one meeting where they compared the benefits vs rewards of launching in that sad state and ultimately the dollar signs won out. I don't even see how you can compare turbine who may release games that don't please the masses with Funcom who are full of themselves while hoisting steaming piles onto the gaming community.

i dont even know who or what is turbine.....

Originally posted by openedge1

Originally posted by arimer

I didn't see Funcom doing anything different from any other MMO at launch.  They released with stuff still not finished like most mmo's.  They played the deny and excuse game like Blizzard did with the honor system that was supposedly ready for launch and that turbine did with most things in DDO.   They Overhyped their game knowing it wasn't ready to hold subscribers like EQ2  and Tabula rasa did.   To me the only thing that changed was the players.  In past launches the players would take whatever they were given and they'd deal with it.  In AoC everyone had the "this game should be perfect and any bug fixes should come instantly " attitude.  Then it took on the Napoleon Dynamite quality as I like to call it where it's cool to do something.  Like watch a crappy movie and say it rocks.  But in this case it was the cool thing to do to say it sucks even if you've never played it.

Was AoC ready for launch?  No  Did it get treated abnormally compared to other MMO's? In my opinion Yes.  Was Gaute Godager an idiot?  Yes and this was known since AO.  The fact is AoC will be just Like AO.  It will start crappy but come back to have a pretty strong and loyal following after Guadager left.

Well stated, and truth.

The only games to even get close to this hate was Vanguard and the NGE...and then not like this insane mob stylings of everyone taking on an SOE-Fail signature avatar image or something...

Yet, SOE CONSTANTLY does this crap to their customers..

Why so different an attitude?

We are not talking about 5 games after the NGE debacle SOE has released what one game since then *shrugs* and the truth is even with bullet points what Funcom does outweighs what soe or turbine may have done to alienate their customers.

I played DDO and it was boring which is simple I bought it tried it didn't like it I don't harp on it but at the same time there aren't all these other glaring problems to give people reasons to hate them and rally against them. No missing box features I mean there could have been a question mark by literally every bullet point on AOC box something was wrong with everything they advertised on it. Then they still denied all of these problems. And for the record I still see people bashing soe so please stop trying to talk as if everything in SOE is roses and there is some huge conspiracy against FUNCOM they did this to themselves.