Personally I stoped playing because there is very little to do at endgame, populations were too low to have fun, an alts are unappealing in this game, however many of my guild continued to play and AoC had alot of potential so I wanted to continue to follow the game so I'd always be informed and could return at a later date if the game improved enough to make it appealing.

So I read here silently untill I realised just how much lies and misinformation was coming from the pro AoC crowd especially regarding things like populations. So being someone who enjoys a debate I've tried to even things up and counter those people who are trying to mislead people into coming back or into buying the game.

Originally posted by celdridge

Not sure what started this thread. I have not seen a thread lately bashing the hell out of AOC like it was a month ago.

Yeah it's like they they disappear or something. Like yesterday. First it was there, and then.. it was gone. Strange.

Originally posted by yugohugo

 that  so many folks here do nothing but bash the game?  I mean I get it, we all get it....you hate AoC.  You were lied too, mislead, kicked in the head etc.....get over it, or at least move on already.

  Why are you wasting your time bashing on a game you dislike so much?  I would think that you would be playing something you do like, but daily threads of hate continue.  Someone starts a why I love AoC and some whiner has to start a why I hate AoC thread.  Why? Are you that bored?  Can't you just let us enjoy our forum and our game.  As I said before we get it, you hate AoC.  We do not.

I like AoC and therefore I check the forums daily for info.  This is the first time I have posted because I rather spend my time playing.  I find the game very fun and on my server (Tyrn) there are a good amount of folks playing, I know because they keep ganking me.  This game is so far from being dead that I find comments about that to be silly beyond belief.  Shows a real lack of business sense from those making them.

Keep making your comments about the game, that is what these forums are for I guess.  Just  know you are really starting to sound damn silly these days.  Those who post positive things about the game do so because they have a active interest in the game.  That makes sense, those having no interest in the game spending so much time bashing it does not.   

 

Rant over.....I am off to play some AoC.

Death of the lying thief never looked so sexy!!!

Here is an interesting article about word-of-mouth :
marketreporting.blogspot.com/2008/08/word-of-mouth-marketing-friend-or-enemy.html

Basically it says:

There is a saying in marketing: "happy customer tells five people, an unhappy customer tells 100". With todays technology, unhappy customer can tell thousands, maybe even millions. That's why word of mouth is so important in the world of MMO's.

When you see people complain here every day, that is perfectly normal. They had been waiting for AoC for years and after seeing it sucks, they are just venting their anger. Don't blame them, blame FC dor making a subpar product.

What is worrying is some of these people here praising FC and AoC every day, saying it's best game ever and telling people to buy it. This is NOT normal. When people like a game they don't go on a crusade to tell everyone how great the game is. They just play it. These people have some kind of angle and I wouldn't trust them one bit. What the angle is, I don't know, but it's not normal human behavior.

I played the beta version which attempted to kill my computer and have been trying to find a buddy key since so I can try the game out again. Even with all its bad publicity.

I dont play anymore, I shook the hook free.  Im not going to bash the game.  I think the game could be alot better then it is.   I did have fun when I played, I do miss the combat system.  I find myself now when playing other MMOS trying to fight like I did in AOC... 

Getting my hard earned money ripped off doesn't make me sad. 

Originally posted by PezzBomb

Originally posted by SinReaper

Originally posted by PezzBomb

Originally posted by yugohugo

 that  so many folks here do nothing but bash the game?  I mean I get it, we all get it....you hate AoC.  You were lied too, mislead, kicked in the head etc.....get over it, or at least move on already.

  Why are you wasting your time bashing on a game you dislike so much?  I would think that you would be playing something you do like, but daily threads of hate continue.  Someone starts a why I love AoC and some whiner has to start a why I hate AoC thread.  Why? Are you that bored?  Can't you just let us enjoy our forum and our game.  As I said before we get it, you hate AoC.  We do not.

I like AoC and therefore I check the forums daily for info.  This is the first time I have posted because I rather spend my time playing.  I find the game very fun and on my server (Tyrn) there are a good amount of folks playing, I know because they keep ganking me.  This game is so far from being dead that I find comments about that to be silly beyond belief.  Shows a real lack of business sense from those making them.

Keep making your comments about the game, that is what these forums are for I guess.  Just  know you are really starting to sound damn silly these days.  Those who post positive things about the game do so because they have a active interest in the game.  That makes sense, those having no interest in the game spending so much time bashing it does not.   

 

Rant over.....I am off to play some AoC.

 

YogoHugo, it's not that bad, when I look on the WAR forum it sometimes look much worse over there. There's a lot of players here that have good negative comments, even though they all have this habit of taking this professorial tone and write loooong essays where they try to analyse the game to death. Anyway, it's somewhat funny and worth the read. Also not to forget a very important principle, everybody are entiteled to their own opinion.

Where I think your post and opinions are applicable though are all those cases when a posting profile posts like 30 extremely disturbing and negative rant posts in less than 12 hours. Many of these posts describe how they are going to burn FC devs, shot them and other people that like the game. These posts are total junk and very sad in fact, I have myself reported a lot of these posts. What's even more shocking though is that  a lot of the time the MMORPG moderators wount moderate those posts, at least not till the troll have been active for more than 24hours or +30 flame posts. First I did not understand that, but I have developed a conspiracy theory myself against MMORPG. Don't forget MMORPG is also business in form of advertising. MMORPG posts trafic numbers and number of posts pr day to the bigger MMO developers. We all know that more traffic and more posts and members will mean more $$ in the bank for MMORPG. MMORPG makes money on heated discussion and I think this might be the answers for why they are not moderating those obvious trolls a bit harder. Sin or any of the other moderators, if you have a comment on this, that would be worth gold.

This is at least what I have come to. This was a pretty professorial post by myself in fact.

 

I'm not a moderator if that reference was for me.

As to Jon, he's been very clear on his views regarding people being able to express their opinions on these forums, as long as they adhere to the RoC.  To insinuate that he, the staff or volunteers actively cherry pick threads to moderate in order to "stir up" traffic is simply uncalled for.

 

Let me remind you that to type out I wany XYZ to burn or to die or whatever is not an opinion, it is bullshit. There is absolutely no reasons for not moderating and Warning posters publishing nonsens like that ASAP, unless of course my theory is true to some extent.

As Avery put it, it requires little experience in this forum to spot one of those abusive posters I am talking about. It is even easier to do so when these individuals spew out like 20 posts an hour. I simply do not buy that the moderators can not act fast enough on reported posts from the AoC forum. First of all AoC and WAR forums are by fare the most active forums. It's not exactly like the Lineage II or the Knights Online forums are stealling all the moderators attention. Also as I said before, there are times when I have reported absolutely outrageous stuff (that hardly needs to be voted over) and it isn't moderated before perhaps 24 hours later when posting tempo starts to cool down. In the two three weeks I have been here as active poster I see this happen so consistently that I in fact think my hypothesis (professor talk again) is not too fare off. Moderator comments on this would be very reassuring.

MMORPG people, I hope you understand that by taking the trolling highway to high activity, you not only repell real game debaters from your forum, you also lower the quality of your service as well as your reputation is compromised. Belive me it is already. MMORPG has a very bad name in the AoC official forums. I am not sure how this will affect MMORPG financially (possibly not), but if the goal in general is to appear as a serious participant in the gaming industry you must strive for something better. By serious I mean a forum used to discuss important and less important stuff (like Kaeira) related to games, as oppose to nonsens revolving more about hate than the game.

lol lol

This last paragraph is the funniest thing I've read of yours..seriously  

"MMORPG has a very bad name in the AOC official forums "......OMG ....the world is over ..how will we survive this perception.I hope one day the rabid fanbois of AOC  official forums can find it in there character to start liking MMORPG.com because without  that the website is doomed :)

Okay now that the satire and sarcasm is over I want to explain something to you...its important .I follow certain games in development ...Darkfall and Earthrise .On those official forums there are people who also post comments about the " harshness and critical nature of mmorpg .com". They say things like " we don't want those people coming to our forums ",,,there view is also very misguided

MMORPG.com must be one of the most authoritative and comprehensive websites on the internet today covering MMO's and discussions around them.I also browse Tenton Hammer ,IGN Vault ,Massively and WarCry and  there forums are no where near as active as these.Thousands of people logon to MMORPG.com to partake in debate and read headlines.MMORPG.com doesn't need AOC  official forums approval ....AOC forums  needs MMORPG.com

Lets say hypothetically AOC delivered what was promised and had been a success these forums would be bringing many new players to AOC as they would  read good reports about the game...sadly it didn't .You cannot stifle diatribe against a game...you cannot stop people posting there negative views .Now a person who wants to play AOC will still play the game ...despite what forums say ..Most people would go to the official forums to get accurate input

Funcom will never stop advertising on MMORPG.com...that would be an egregious mistake considering the number of people who frequent this website  .So don't worry about this website and its future for allowing debate about AOC :)

Yes I do think all of these new viral marketing accounts are sad. I am glad we agree.

Oh and if you want to stop the people saying things you dont like then back off and let legit reviews and opinions be voiced here.

Someone thought it would be cute to come here and do this but they were very wrong as it is having the exact opposite effect.

Originally posted by LarryThorne

Here is an interesting article about word-of-mouth :
marketreporting.blogspot.com/2008/08/word-of-mouth-marketing-friend-or-enemy.html

Basically it says:

There is a saying in marketing: "happy customer tells five people, an unhappy customer tells 100". With todays technology, unhappy customer can tell thousands, maybe even millions. That's why word of mouth is so important in the world of MMO's.

When you see people complain here every day, that is perfectly normal. They had been waiting for AoC for years and after seeing it sucks, they are just venting their anger. Don't blame them, blame FC dor making a subpar product.

What is worrying is some of these people here praising FC and AoC every day, saying it's best game ever and telling people to buy it. This is NOT normal. When people like a game they don't go on a crusade to tell everyone how great the game is. They just play it. These people have some kind of angle and I wouldn't trust them one bit. What the angle is, I don't know, but it's not normal human behavior.

Bingo!!!!!!

Originally posted by Arawon

Getting my hard earned money ripped off doesn't make me sad. 

You hard earned 15 $...ROFL..LOL.

Originally posted by courtsdad

Originally posted by LarryThorne

Here is an interesting article about word-of-mouth :
marketreporting.blogspot.com/2008/08/word-of-mouth-marketing-friend-or-enemy.html

Basically it says:

There is a saying in marketing: "happy customer tells five people, an unhappy customer tells 100". With todays technology, unhappy customer can tell thousands, maybe even millions. That's why word of mouth is so important in the world of MMO's.

When you see people complain here every day, that is perfectly normal. They had been waiting for AoC for years and after seeing it sucks, they are just venting their anger. Don't blame them, blame FC dor making a subpar product.

What is worrying is some of these people here praising FC and AoC every day, saying it's best game ever and telling people to buy it. This is NOT normal. When people like a game they don't go on a crusade to tell everyone how great the game is. They just play it. These people have some kind of angle and I wouldn't trust them one bit. What the angle is, I don't know, but it's not normal human behavior.

I've seen thoes threads and have disagreeded with them as well. However, I also hate it when people try to compare AoC at launch to AoC post patch 2.0. The new GD put a lot of life back into AoC and patch 2.0 fixed the core issues pepole were having i.e. OOMs. Content is spares, but most new MMOs have spares content at end game up until the 6th month hurtel. Even WAR has spares content as far as anything being different and have access to it ie most people dont even bother with city sieging or PvE.

Now that the core tech issues of the game are fixed AoC is further balancing the game by chaing how stats affect the game, crafting, and making combat more skill based. Bright future.

Originally posted by BearShammy

Originally posted by Arawon

Getting my hard earned money ripped off doesn't make me sad. 

 

You hard earned 15 $...ROFL..LOL.

Oh BearShammy, you are absolutely right 15$ isnt much, howEVER, when you consider the multiples of 15$ it becomes an issue doesnt it? 

Lets examine:

AoC Launches - 800,000 Boxes sold. Shortly thereafter 415k remained.  800,000 - 415,000 = 385,000 accounts lost. 385,000 x 15$/month = 5,775,000$ per month in lost or unrealized revenue. So even if we accept that there were still 415k people playing in August when the report was released, which there were not.  That report covered up to the month ending June 30th 2008 as the report stated very clearly. But even if it was 415k in Aug, we can assume that those 15 $...ROFL..LOL's added up cant we?

How can we assume this? They ran the game director out of the entire industry over this... So chuckle all you want, it adds up and we've seen the effects that can have on a persons future and a games' future for that matter.

How long after August 15th was GG run out of the company and the industry? Doesnt seem that FUNCOM, the company you stump for, shares your humorous take on the subject, does it?

Originally posted by Capn23

I think it's childish to bash any game.

 

people have different likes and dislikes, but 'This game is the worst ever and is sucks so bad you should never play it. I hate [Insert Game Here]' is not appropriate or mature.

If that is true, can I also assume that it is just as childish to hype a game?  For example, saying "This is the best game ever!" would be equaly inappropriate and immature, right?

Originally posted by xpiher

 I've seen thoes threads and have disagreeded with them as well. However, I also hate it when people try to compare AoC at launch to AoC post patch 2.0. The new GD put a lot of life back into AoC and patch 2.0 fixed the core issues pepole were having i.e. OOMs. Content is spares, but most new MMOs have spares content at end game up until the 6th month hurtel. Even WAR has spares content as far as anything being different and have access to it ie most people dont even bother with city sieging or PvE.

Now that the core tech issues of the game are fixed AoC is further balancing the game by chaing how stats affect the game, crafting, and making combat more skill based. Bright future.

I agree. AoC might have a bright future if they keep producing quality patches and can deal with those incoming financial problems.

But one thing I have been saying all along. There is no reason to buy the game or resub right now. We need to be patient and let FC do their work. Once they put out trial and give free playtime to ex-players, servers will be booming and the whole AoC experience will be much better.

Just give it 3 months and then we'll all join the game together and chop some heads off

Sorry, didn't realize the post I was commenting on was from a week or so ago -.-

About AoC, when would you all reccomend a new player looking to subscribe, doing so? 

Also, I'm looking for a non-generic MMO, is AoC even considered such?  If not, I'm not interested in the formulaic "kill this fifteen times, bring me the locket" type of trash, and I would like to pass.

Originally posted by TheHoweller

Sorry, didn't realize the post I was commenting on was from a week or so ago -.-

About AoC, when would you all reccomend a new player looking to subscribe, doing so? 

Also, I'm looking for a non-generic MMO, is AoC even considered such?  If not, I'm not interested in the formulaic "kill this fifteen times, bring me the locket" type of trash, and I would like to pass.

Im not that I would suggest you ever subscribe. Calling AoC an MMO at this point is a stretch.  There are sometimes 50 people on an entire server yet the company will only discuss server merges and has made no promises they will MERGE, nor given any time-table for doing so.

When you consider that if you do have issues with AoC and decide to go to the forums to discuss your issue, you will be subject to unpaid fanbois of the game given moderator privledges.

Then yes subscribe. I will post a summation of my experiences here in a moment - a link to it anyway.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/199192 Link to my post about AoC being like a relationship with a woman gone bad.

Originally posted by TheHoweller

Sorry, didn't realize the post I was commenting on was from a week or so ago -.-

About AoC, when would you all reccomend a new player looking to subscribe, doing so? 

Also, I'm looking for a non-generic MMO, is AoC even considered such?  If not, I'm not interested in the formulaic "kill this fifteen times, bring me the locket" type of trash, and I would like to pass.

AoC quests are exactly like that, especially later on, early on its not so bad but the later in the game you get the more obvious it is that they just tried to fill it out with kill 20 of quests because they were out of development time.

I wouldn't recommend AoC to anyone at this point, maybe in 6 months it will be ready for launch if they keep a decent number of people working on development.

VPellen those were 2 great post thank you for making my day a little better.  but ya the game possibly could be very good but it got screwed up in the execution

Originally posted by TheHoweller

Sorry, didn't realize the post I was commenting on was from a week or so ago -.-

About AoC, when would you all reccomend a new player looking to subscribe, doing so? 

Also, I'm looking for a non-generic MMO, is AoC even considered such?  If not, I'm not interested in the formulaic "kill this fifteen times, bring me the locket" type of trash, and I would like to pass.

So just to help you out with some real comments as oppose to all the professortalk above. Let me tell you the truth about this circus. I bought the game 3 weeks ago and have not seen one of these nonsens issues that some of the outdated people have mentioned. I have not been able to write down one bug, or other issues since I started. I love this game as much as I loved Lost Planet for Xbox360. It is truly fantastic, and it is also a MMO on top of all. If look for a new MMO, try AOC. I think you will thank me with a big hug once you get it fired up.

Let me point out one thing. The other reviewer above have not played this game in about 3 months which basically means they don't know how postpatch 2.0 AoC is. The third of the guys above have not played the game even (that's my understanding from some of the stuff I have seen in some of his other posts).