WAR (Warhammer Online)

Originally posted by banthis

Its not a very personal level if you just send them a random tell.  A personal level would be making friends with them, hanging out and grouping for a while.  Chatting being social not some random X tell.   I don't suggest anyone to my guild unless I've hung with them even if its for just a few hours or a few days.  We also dont' send realm invite messages its tended to net us nothing but trouble.   

The tell is to initiate conversation.

I do not accept people off a "sure" response. If I get a "sure" response I always reply with a "shouldn't I tell you more about the guild first"

I almost always have to explain our guild because it isn't a typical take everyone guild. It is a racial guild for dwarves only.

The other 10% from that 100% I mentioned earlier will usually ask "Sure, but could you tell me more about your guild."

This opens up the conversation phase and allows me to get to know them, maybe not how well they can play but at least the type of person they are. I am a very good judge of character. I can tell based off someone's first 2 responses if they are 12 or 23. I can tell if they are mature or kiddish. If they reply like some 12 year old pnwzor gangsta, I let them know they are not what we are looking for.

If the conversation seems to go well off the first few responses, and they like everything I have to say about the guild. Then I send them the invite. Which leads to phase 2 of hopping on vent and getting know everyone. So far everyone who has made it to Ventrilo stage has been well recieved and liked.

The point to my thread is there are way to many solo heroes in WAR right now. Wanting to go at the keep lord alone, they do not need help to take down the hero ++ they got it you just sit back and watch.

Well this just isn't how war was intended to be played. The community needs to come together and start playing as a faction or realm.

In DAoC that is what set it apart from all the others. Realm loyalty, we always loved to see and play with our fellow realmers and loved to play with the guilds around us. WAR has none of that at the moment. It is hurting the game very much.

Originally posted by banthis

Its not a very personal level if you just send them a random tell.  A personal level would be making friends with them, hanging out and grouping for a while.  Chatting being social not some random X tell.   I don't suggest anyone to my guild unless I've hung with them even if its for just a few hours or a few days.  We also dont' send realm invite messages its tended to net us nothing but trouble.   

I have to agree.

I had someone send me a pm and ask why I wasn't in a guild and what I was looking for in a guild.

I told him (assuming it was a "him") that I was waiting to see what was out there as far as guilds as it was a very important move.

His response was "it's not like a life bonding contract". At which time my response was "I come from Lineage 2 and in that game your guild mates are your life blood, the people who have your back, the people who will rush across the world in case you drop your equipment".

and his response was "this isn't Lineage 2".

Well that might be but to some people, a guild is more than a chat room. I know it is for me. Same thing in my LOTRO kinship. I once helped a lower lvl player on a quest and they thanked me. I then responded "that's why I'm here" and his response was "well, not really".

No... REALLY.

I think it is perfectly acceptable to just join any old guild and use it as a chat room. But for some people (myself included) I need more than a pm to get to know me. I want to have seen you and yours around, partied with you, fought with you, before I join any guilds.

So it's great that he pm's' people and speaks with them but he shouldn't feel insulted that people might not respond as he would like.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by banthis

Its not a very personal level if you just send them a random tell.  A personal level would be making friends with them, hanging out and grouping for a while.  Chatting being social not some random X tell.   I don't suggest anyone to my guild unless I've hung with them even if its for just a few hours or a few days.  We also dont' send realm invite messages its tended to net us nothing but trouble.   

 

I have to agree.

I had someone send me a pm and ask why I wasn't in a guild and what I was looking for in a guild.

I told him (assuming it was a "him") that I was waiting to see what was out there as far as guilds as it was a very important move.

His response was "it's not like a life bonding contract". At which time my response was "I come from Lineage 2 and in that game your guild mates are your life blood, the people who have your back, the people who will rush across the world in case you drop your equipment".

and his response was "this isn't Lineage 2".

Well that might be but to some people, a guild is more than a chat room. I know it is for me. Same thing in my LOTRO kinship. I once helped a lower lvl player on a quest and they thanked me. I then responded "that's why I'm here" and his response was "well, not really".

No... REALLY.

I think it is perfectly acceptable to just join any old guild and use it as a chat room. But for some people (myself included) I need more than a pm to get to know me. I want to have seen you and yours around, partied with you, fought with you, before I join any guilds.

So it's great that he pm's' people and speaks with them but he shouldn't feel insulted that people might not respond as he would like.

You guys are 100% missing the point.

I do not get insulted first off.

Second it is the type of response I get.

I told him (assuming it was a "him") that I was waiting to see what was out there as far as guilds as it was a very important move.

This is an acceptible response. This type of response suggest exactly what you confirmed, you want to play more and find a guild that is active, plays well as a team and one you think you would fit into. This is ok.

"Nope, I dont have time for guilds"

This is not an acceptible answer for someone who is playing inside of a guild oriented MMO and not a Single player RPG. The above response is rude, and shows immaturity and a total lack of understanding for the game we play.

Saying this, like I said 90% of 300 players gave the above response. Which doesn't insult me, just makes the community look like a turd fest.

*EDIT - The below response from a guild leader / recruiter makes him and his guild sound worse than the "Nope, I dont have time for guilds" bunch. I wouldn't join his guild either. His guild doesn't sound close/tight or like they would get their members backs in any way.

His response was "it's not like a life bonding contract". At which time my response was "I come from Lineage 2 and in that game your guild mates are your life blood, the people who have your back, the people who will rush across the world in case you drop your equipment".

and his response was "this isn't Lineage 2".

This brings us to the other problem of every other person who joins a server wanting to start their own guild, just to have "Insert Random COOL tag here" below their character name. They don't want to run a true guild, they don't want to be part of something bigger to make an impact in the world around them. All they want is numbers so "Insert Random COOL tag here" is seen a lot. This is another problem WAR has. To many bad guilds, not enough good guilds with strong leaders who can change the server we play on.

Originally posted by Aethios

Originally posted by banthis

Alot of these issues btw are being addressed in patch 1.1 .

 

WAR will be a ghost town by then.

What proof do you have...show us numbers that there is an exodus.Even Vanguard which was far worst than any game ever released is still around.So show us some evidence.

One thing though that I agree,is that WAR has a silent community and I also agree with the person saying that why someone  will care for a city if he/she does not feel connected to the place.This leads me to the quasi non existence of music in this game.I was expecting some Epic music when entering Altdorf,this place is the safest place in the Empire and also refects the might of Emperor Karl Franz unfortunately when you enter the Palace it`s like entering a monastary.

Just my 2 cents.

Originally posted by Ngeldu5t

Originally posted by Aethios

Originally posted by banthis

Alot of these issues btw are being addressed in patch 1.1 .

 

WAR will be a ghost town by then.

What proof do you have...show us numbers that there is an exodus.Even Vanguard which was far worst than any game ever released is still around.So show us some evidence.

 

One thing though that I agree,is that WAR has a silent community and I also agree with the person saying that why someone  will care for a city if he/she does not feel connected to the place.This leads me to the quasi non existence of music in this game.I was expecting some Epic music when entering Altdorf,this place is the safest place in the Empire and also refects the might of Emperor Karl Franz unfortunately when you enter the Palace it`s like entering a monastary.

Just my 2 cents.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Look at the server pops alot of them are on LOW at peak times. This game is a failure whether you like to admit it or not. The amount of server created were too much to meet the people playing the actual game. Mythic advertised the game as  oRVR , while most players are sitting at warcamps waiting for SC's to pop. The PQs are empty because the PVE content is boring. T3/T4 has so much issues with combat gameplay that alot wont make it past these tiers because of frustrations.

Mythic need a miracle patch otherwise subs will keep spriraling downward. its already at a 40% decline.

Supbro

Originally posted by skydragonren

Well this is what kills me, as a guild leader like most guild leaders we have to try and recruit members.

Since launch day I can say I have messaged about 300 people and get this response.

 

Usually I will send a PM so that I can speak to people I try and recruit on a personal level. I do not spam region chats or yell out that the guild is recruiting, I see non guilded people running around in the level range we need and I will send them a polite tell. It usually looks something like this.

 

Hi "name", would you happen to be looking for a guild by chance?

 

I think that is pretty polite and clean cut.

 

90% of the time this is the response I get.

"Nope" or "Nah, don't really want a guild", "nah, gonna wait to 40 and see what's out there"

 

Things of this nature.

 

I shake my head because you would think people would realize that this is a GUILD ORIENTED GAME!!!

Listen even if these people which so far count in the hundreds do not want to join our guild that is fine, but to be so 100% completely close minded to even joining a guild all together blows my mind.

You would think at least 50% of 300 would reply with "What does your guild offer?" or "Tell me more about your guild before I decide"....

Nahhhh none of that sanity you just get a "Nope piss off"

WAR community at it's finest I tell ya.

My main characters are in a very solid guild, but my alts I leave unguilded for a number of reasons.  Enough on that though.

I never join guilds that send out random tells or invitations, because there is no reason to.  I can't speak for your guild or everyone, but I will generalize and say it is a recipe for trouble.  The person recruiting knows nothing about me and I know nothing about the guild.  Nor am I looking for a guidance councilor to talk about why I have not joined a guild yet. So just because people won't join your guild or tell you they reasons they are unguilded doesn't mean they don't want to be in a good guild. 

It is far more important to meet people first, find out if you are compatible and then inquire about joining a guild that it is to simply have a guild tag over your head just because it is a "guild game". 

The underlying problem is that the game has taken just about every opportunity it could to eliminate social interaction between people. 

Originally posted by banthis

Originally posted by Aethios

Originally posted by banthis

Alot of these issues btw are being addressed in patch 1.1 .

 

WAR will be a ghost town by then.

Really?  Wow I didnt know  a game thats a little over 30 days old could die within an additional 30 or less days!! How Amazing! ... rofl  god the patches and fixes and changes come in hot and heavy and people still frigging cry lol.  Stupidity amazes me everyday.

I didn't say it would die, I said it would be a ghost town, and it is quickly approaching that status already. Also, we were told the patch would come in December, which is considerably more than "30 days or less." Don't put words in my mouth and then call me stupid.