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10/15/08 5:17:20 PM#26
I wish we could see entertainers in this game too |
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rashhero
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10/15/08 5:23:03 PM#27
Originally posted by ronan32
well if they have bounty hunter, jedi, sith, smuggler, commando, droid engineer...then it adds more grey to the black and white you see.
But what are you going to see all over the forums? Jedi are elite. No common BH should ever be able to take one down. No player will want to be the common BH though and everyone wants to be the elite jedi. So you already have a class thats supposed to be an alpha class and then you throw into the mix the BH, which have been overly glorified, making people think that if they play one, they should be as good or better than Boba Fett. So then a whole goddamn war starts on the forums over it. BH need to be balanced so they can take out jedi. Jedi start bitching because they're supposed to be elite but are being taken down by some Joe Nobody BH. Even if you introduce Jedi as a real alpha class and make them rare. What happens? Same thing that happened in SWG. Jealously. The jealous get angry and whiny and demand that they deserve to be jedi. Then you have so many jedi around, you have to nerf them and the system then favors the BHs to keep the jedi in check. |
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ronan32
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10/15/08 5:28:50 PM#28
Originally posted by rashhero
well if they have bounty hunter, jedi, sith, smuggler, commando, droid engineer...then it adds more grey to the black and white you see.
But what are you going to see all over the forums? Jedi are elite. No common BH should ever be able to take one down. No player will want to be the common BH though and everyone wants to be the elite jedi. So you already have a class thats supposed to be an alpha class and then you throw into the mix the BH, which have been overly glorified, making people think that if they play one, they should be as good or better than Boba Fett. So then a whole goddamn war starts on the forums over it. BH need to be balanced so they can take out jedi. Jedi start bitching because they're supposed to be elite but are being taken down by some Joe Nobody BH. Even if you introduce Jedi as a real alpha class and make them rare. What happens? Same thing that happened in SWG. Jealously. The jealous get angry and whiny and demand that they deserve to be jedi. Then you have so many jedi around, you have to nerf them and the system then favors the BHs to keep the jedi in check.
jedi are not that powerful, only a very few are..have you seen the clone wars?..many jedi died..people are gonna bitch on the forums either way. you have to come to a comprimise. |
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ronan32
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10/15/08 5:30:07 PM#29
Originally posted by rashhero
well if they have bounty hunter, jedi, sith, smuggler, commando, droid engineer...then it adds more grey to the black and white you see.
But what are you going to see all over the forums? Jedi are elite. No common BH should ever be able to take one down. No player will want to be the common BH though and everyone wants to be the elite jedi. So you already have a class thats supposed to be an alpha class and then you throw into the mix the BH, which have been overly glorified, making people think that if they play one, they should be as good or better than Boba Fett. So then a whole goddamn war starts on the forums over it. BH need to be balanced so they can take out jedi. Jedi start bitching because they're supposed to be elite but are being taken down by some Joe Nobody BH. Even if you introduce Jedi as a real alpha class and make them rare. What happens? Same thing that happened in SWG. Jealously. The jealous get angry and whiny and demand that they deserve to be jedi. Then you have so many jedi around, you have to nerf them and the system then favors the BHs to keep the jedi in check.
it should be the player skill and not the class that determines a players success. Once again jedi are not that powerful.Luke skywalker is powerful, yoda is powerful but your average jedi is not so godly. |
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rashhero
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10/15/08 5:34:07 PM#30
Originally posted by ronan32
But what are you going to see all over the forums? Jedi are elite. No common BH should ever be able to take one down. No player will want to be the common BH though and everyone wants to be the elite jedi. So you already have a class thats supposed to be an alpha class and then you throw into the mix the BH, which have been overly glorified, making people think that if they play one, they should be as good or better than Boba Fett. So then a whole goddamn war starts on the forums over it. BH need to be balanced so they can take out jedi. Jedi start bitching because they're supposed to be elite but are being taken down by some Joe Nobody BH. Even if you introduce Jedi as a real alpha class and make them rare. What happens? Same thing that happened in SWG. Jealously. The jealous get angry and whiny and demand that they deserve to be jedi. Then you have so many jedi around, you have to nerf them and the system then favors the BHs to keep the jedi in check.
it should be the player skill and not the class that determines a players success. Once again jedi are not that powerful.
Right. I can't count how many times I've read in the books about some common commando or show girl dancer crushing someones wind pipe with a simple thought. 1 on 1, even in a game, no class other than another jedi should be able to take out a jedi. Therefore you'll have a lot of jedi and a lot of BHs saying they should be just as powerful. You saying jedi are not the powerful is exactly the reason SWG is in its current state. You know shit about the lore. |
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10/15/08 5:37:16 PM#31
I would be really surprised if it has any elements from the old swg. Seriously, who wants that headache of a job after everything they know now? PvP will probably be put in as an afterthought since Bioware doesn't really have experience in that market. If anything, it might resemble the single player rpg KOTOR and have a very deep storyline. But who knows at this point. It might not even be KOTOR. It could be a Clone Wars game for all we know based off all these new cartoons and the movie. Whatever it may be, I would bet the farm that jedi will be a playable class and they will be plentiful. |
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ronan32
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10/15/08 5:38:58 PM#32
Originally posted by rashhero
But what are you going to see all over the forums? Jedi are elite. No common BH should ever be able to take one down. No player will want to be the common BH though and everyone wants to be the elite jedi. So you already have a class thats supposed to be an alpha class and then you throw into the mix the BH, which have been overly glorified, making people think that if they play one, they should be as good or better than Boba Fett. So then a whole goddamn war starts on the forums over it. BH need to be balanced so they can take out jedi. Jedi start bitching because they're supposed to be elite but are being taken down by some Joe Nobody BH. Even if you introduce Jedi as a real alpha class and make them rare. What happens? Same thing that happened in SWG. Jealously. The jealous get angry and whiny and demand that they deserve to be jedi. Then you have so many jedi around, you have to nerf them and the system then favors the BHs to keep the jedi in check.
it should be the player skill and not the class that determines a players success. Once again jedi are not that powerful.
Right. I can't count how many times I've read in the books about some common commando or show girl dancer crushing someones wind pipe with a simple thought. 1 on 1, even in a game, no class other than another jedi should be able to take out a jedi. Therefore you'll have a lot of jedi and a lot of BHs saying they should be just as powerful. You saying jedi are not the powerful is exactly the reason SWG is in its current state. You know shit about the lore.
you obviously know shit about the lore because the game will be set in a time period where jedi are everywhere. can we have a discussion without childish bitching please. |
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ronan32
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10/15/08 5:41:35 PM#33
Originally posted by rashhero
But what are you going to see all over the forums? Jedi are elite. No common BH should ever be able to take one down. No player will want to be the common BH though and everyone wants to be the elite jedi. So you already have a class thats supposed to be an alpha class and then you throw into the mix the BH, which have been overly glorified, making people think that if they play one, they should be as good or better than Boba Fett. So then a whole goddamn war starts on the forums over it. BH need to be balanced so they can take out jedi. Jedi start bitching because they're supposed to be elite but are being taken down by some Joe Nobody BH. Even if you introduce Jedi as a real alpha class and make them rare. What happens? Same thing that happened in SWG. Jealously. The jealous get angry and whiny and demand that they deserve to be jedi. Then you have so many jedi around, you have to nerf them and the system then favors the BHs to keep the jedi in check.
it should be the player skill and not the class that determines a players success. Once again jedi are not that powerful.
Right. I can't count how many times I've read in the books about some common commando or show girl dancer crushing someones wind pipe with a simple thought. 1 on 1, even in a game, no class other than another jedi should be able to take out a jedi. Therefore you'll have a lot of jedi and a lot of BHs saying they should be just as powerful. You saying jedi are not the powerful is exactly the reason SWG is in its current state. You know shit about the lore.
You speak of people starting a war on forums, and here you are bitching already before the game even is announced officially, get a grip man. |
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rashhero
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10/15/08 5:42:52 PM#34
Originally posted by ronan32
it should be the player skill and not the class that determines a players success. Once again jedi are not that powerful.
Right. I can't count how many times I've read in the books about some common commando or show girl dancer crushing someones wind pipe with a simple thought. 1 on 1, even in a game, no class other than another jedi should be able to take out a jedi. Therefore you'll have a lot of jedi and a lot of BHs saying they should be just as powerful. You saying jedi are not the powerful is exactly the reason SWG is in its current state. You know shit about the lore.
you obviously know shit about the lore because the game will be set in a time period where jedi are everywhere. can we have a discussion without childish bitching please.
I never said a damn thing about jedi not being around or not being everywhere. My argument is simply against them being a playable class. Pay attention or don't participate in the conversation. |
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10/15/08 5:47:21 PM#35
Originally posted by Locklain This would be excellent. Perhaps a "Fableesque" system where the more evil (or good) you become the more your appearance changes. Look at how becoming a Sith affects the movie and game characters.
Here here to faction development over time! This is a great way to make two definite sides and a neutral side, which really fits something with the SWs universe. I would dislike how this effects your appearance, though. I want an evil looking jedi or a friendly looking sith. Having complete control over appearance would appeal to me moreso then appearance development, as it takes away alot of individuality between players.
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ronan32
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10/15/08 5:49:46 PM#36
Originally posted by rashhero
it should be the player skill and not the class that determines a players success. Once again jedi are not that powerful.
Right. I can't count how many times I've read in the books about some common commando or show girl dancer crushing someones wind pipe with a simple thought. 1 on 1, even in a game, no class other than another jedi should be able to take out a jedi. Therefore you'll have a lot of jedi and a lot of BHs saying they should be just as powerful. You saying jedi are not the powerful is exactly the reason SWG is in its current state. You know shit about the lore.
you obviously know shit about the lore because the game will be set in a time period where jedi are everywhere. can we have a discussion without childish bitching please.
I never said a damn thing about jedi not being around or not being everywhere. My argument is simply against them being a playable class. Pay attention or don't participate in the conversation. no you said i know shit about the lore, yet you talk about jedi being an alfa class, if jedi are everywhere then they are not so special. the reason jedi are special in the films is because there is so few of them. |
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rashhero
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10/15/08 5:54:15 PM#37
Originally posted by ronan32
Right. I can't count how many times I've read in the books about some common commando or show girl dancer crushing someones wind pipe with a simple thought. 1 on 1, even in a game, no class other than another jedi should be able to take out a jedi. Therefore you'll have a lot of jedi and a lot of BHs saying they should be just as powerful. You saying jedi are not the powerful is exactly the reason SWG is in its current state. You know shit about the lore.
you obviously know shit about the lore because the game will be set in a time period where jedi are everywhere. can we have a discussion without childish bitching please.
I never said a damn thing about jedi not being around or not being everywhere. My argument is simply against them being a playable class. Pay attention or don't participate in the conversation. no you said i know shit about the lore, yet you talk about jedi being an alfa class, if jedi are everywhere then they are not so special. the reason jedi are special in the films is because there is so few of them.
Really? Because back in KOTOR days, entire wars were started by, command and lead by and finished by the Jedi and the Sith. And by the way. A few hundred or thousand jedi vs trillions of other normal beings in the galaxy....thats pretty damn special still. |
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10/15/08 6:08:19 PM#38
Originally posted by Douhk
Here here to faction development over time! This is a great way to make two definite sides and a neutral side, which really fits something with the SWs universe. I would dislike how this effects your appearance, though. I want an evil looking jedi or a friendly looking sith. Having complete control over appearance would appeal to me moreso then appearance development, as it takes away alot of individuality between players.
I can see this happening since this is Bioware's specialty. Decisions players make to determine their faction sounds much more appealing than simply choosing your faction at the beginning or grinding faction rep. |
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10/15/08 7:04:46 PM#39
Originally posted by Locklain . . .and that, my friend, is the burning question. Will Bioware be given the freedom needed to make the game their own, or will LA step in to restrict everything and set unrealistic goals?
Agreed...lets hope for the best damn sandbox game ever made! |
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10/16/08 1:31:37 PM#40
Originally posted by Dark_Fail
Agreed...lets hope for the best damn sandbox game ever made!
*cross-fingers* |
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10/16/08 1:37:48 PM#41
The only playable race will be Ewok. You can be a shaman... or err, well a shaman. Maybe an Ewok with a stick. Whatever they were called. 
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Originally posted by dterry
OMFG!! Can I? Can I? pretty please Hauken Stormchaser |
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10/16/08 1:45:23 PM#43
ya they could possibly do a great job with this game. hopefully if they make it around a time that they have established characters in (Darth Bane anyone?) those characters could be in the game |
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10/16/08 6:27:55 PM#44
Originally posted by xbellx777
Exar Kun FTFW!!! |
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10/17/08 2:24:07 AM#45
Originally posted by Dark_Fail
The best way to do that is have many other cool and viable professions.
For the purpose of accepting all the player Force sensitives you will see in game, I chose to believe all the trillions are like NPCs whether the trillions are seen or not. If this game is spread over multiple servers instead of on world (EVE) then it works out fine. But they do have to have other professions. I see it working like this. Every toon created spawns as a force sensitive. You are then given a choice to develop it at the Jedi and Sith temples. Make this road difficult to do. Have trials, earn new skills etc. Even in KOTOR you did not launch into the game with lightsaber in hand and knowledge of the force. Make Jedi/Sith something to earn. Everybody that doesn't give a flip about FS and Jedi/Sith can do many of the other professions available. Hopefully something else besides peew peew combat types, like crafters etc. I think this lends to all sorts of roleplay possibilities. Lets say the server cap is 10k. Half choose FS as a profession. Every one else chooses something else. This would mean 5K functional FS running around in a galaxy of NPC trillions. This ratio works for me. Keep in mind that everyone you know is FS is not a bad thing in this canon. FS mostly interacted with FS. The general public are aware of them and see them often. In KOTOR every NPC knew of the riff between J/S and interacted. Some even asked favors knowing you had the ability to help them. The trick of course is having enough alternate professions to choose from and that they are a viable way to play the game. To live in the SW universe. Also I think the world has to be large enough to support them. KOTOR had many planets. SWG does too. If it is small and you have a hundred glowbats lined up to do instances, then yes it will be a sad game with no real sense of immersion. As a side note if they make the J/S temples huge with tons of minigames and theme parks. It would help a lot. Plus I think there should be more than one of each spread through the game. Maybe learn different skills from the different temples and masters. As well as have nonalligned FS to train from like Jolie Bindo. All other professions of course have a method of learning them. I never played Jedi in any version of SWG and was a crafter for my primary professions. I do want a viable alt profession to play. Including some interesting support/logistical roles. I know, good luck. We will all know on the 21st.
"Suddenly, thousands of Trekies whose heads are full of facts of things like the stardate when the Cardassians farted on Deep Space nine are irrlelevant." - hardcoremoviecritic |
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10/17/08 9:00:45 AM#46
Originally posted by GrandAm
The best way to do that is have many other cool and viable professions.
For the purpose of accepting all the player Force sensitives you will see in game, I chose to believe all the trillions are like NPCs whether the trillions are seen or not. If this game is spread over multiple servers instead of on world (EVE) then it works out fine. But they do have to have other professions. I see it working like this. Every toon created spawns as a force sensitive. You are then given a choice to develop it at the Jedi and Sith temples. Make this road difficult to do. Have trials, earn new skills etc. Even in KOTOR you did not launch into the game with lightsaber in hand and knowledge of the force. Make Jedi/Sith something to earn. Everybody that doesn't give a flip about FS and Jedi/Sith can do many of the other professions available. Hopefully something else besides peew peew combat types, like crafters etc. I think this lends to all sorts of roleplay possibilities. Lets say the server cap is 10k. Half choose FS as a profession. Every one else chooses something else. This would mean 5K functional FS running around in a galaxy of NPC trillions. This ratio works for me. Keep in mind that everyone you know is FS is not a bad thing in this canon. FS mostly interacted with FS. The general public are aware of them and see them often. In KOTOR every NPC knew of the riff between J/S and interacted. Some even asked favors knowing you had the ability to help them. The trick of course is having enough alternate professions to choose from and that they are a viable way to play the game. To live in the SW universe. Also I think the world has to be large enough to support them. KOTOR had many planets. SWG does too. If it is small and you have a hundred glowbats lined up to do instances, then yes it will be a sad game with no real sense of immersion. As a side note if they make the J/S temples huge with tons of minigames and theme parks. It would help a lot. Plus I think there should be more than one of each spread through the game. Maybe learn different skills from the different temples and masters. As well as have nonalligned FS to train from like Jolie Bindo. All other professions of course have a method of learning them. I never played Jedi in any version of SWG and was a crafter for my primary professions. I do want a viable alt profession to play. Including some interesting support/logistical roles. I know, good luck. We will all know on the 21st.
I completely agree with you. KoTOR was exactly like you mention you started as force sensitive. It was up to your choices in game if you decide to continue as Jedi or Sith even reject your FS and become something else. What I always believe the player is the "Special/Hero" in a MMO the NPC are the normal non FS. Having everyone as FS would allow for game (PVP) balance with the non Jedi profession. As a experience FS BH or Smuggler would logically be able to compete against a Jedi Knight/Sith Knight. I can't wait for the 21th. I would be really heartbroken
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10/17/08 9:03:59 AM#47
Originally posted by jsolo15 I think a lot of people would be in the same boat as you. It's a Jeep thing. . .
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10/17/08 9:09:06 AM#48
Originally posted by Locklain I think a lot of people would be in the same boat as you.
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10/17/08 9:14:42 AM#49
Originally posted by jsolo15 The one thing I find odd is that SWG is still around and no announcement of the license being removed. I find it hard to believe that LA would allow two Star Wars MMOs to exist but who knows. It's a Jeep thing. . .
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10/17/08 9:37:00 AM#50
Originally posted by Locklain The one thing I find odd is that SWG is still around and no announcement of the license being removed. I find it hard to believe that LA would allow two Star Wars MMOs to exist but who knows.
Not hard to believe, LucasArt is just making a money grab, taking all the money it can while Bioware is making the new MMO. It make business sense for both Lucasart and SOE. Lucas gets money for the IP and SONY test out new feature for their new MMO DC. I just feel bad for all the player still giving money to the clown at SOE! I will never play another of their game for lieing to us in SWG. Remember, how they promise a new FORCE POINT SYSTEM and CAPITAL SHIP for guild... What we get NGE crap right after the release Obi Wan trials !never again! |
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If only SW:TOR could be this epic...
if the game turnout to be a SW single player game with online option like NWN and NWN2......
, must of my guild from SWG have been waititng around since the fail NGE for the rumored Bioware SW MMO ....
