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Why people want it to fail?
People are haters, the game isn't for them so they try to bring the game down because the game that they play is getting boring or are waiting for a game to come out. People are jaded as well, thinking about the good old times and wish that it could be like X game.
I look into the future and Ive played just about every P2P MMO since EQ1 and I love WAR. Maybe because Sieging is something new to me since I didn't play DAoC past the free trial. Is this game new, nope its parts of all my favorite MMO's with some new stuff added. and people just want something totally new and it wont happen.
"So I slathered the bat with wesson oil and cream cheese." Johnny Tug |
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Because it's another Theme Park. If they are succesful, we can say good bye to having even 1 AAA sandbox game. |
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Ok, let's be careful that we distinguish reasonable criticisms of the game from rants, trolling and hate. My definition of a fanboi is someone who is unable to see ANY criticism of his/her beloved game and thus sees any expressed misgivings as unreasonable trolling or hate. Now it's easy to make this distinction between reasonable criticism and hater; a good point of criticism will usually be written in a calm matter-of-fact style, will develop their points logically with reason and will have evidence (including personal experience) to support it. Even a persuasive critique (e.g. if you like pvp then you would be better playing XXX because...) is not hate or trolling so long as it is written in a well reasoned manner. Most of those critcising WAR do not want it to fail, but are merely critical of the game and wish to share this for discussion on these, erm...discussion forums. Ignore the haters and ranters, but if you dont like the more reasonable criticisms then respond to them with your own well-reasoned counter-critique. The OP fails on this and comes across as a mere fanboi. I once wrote a post (on AOC forums) saying that maybe our expectations (post-WOW) for mmorpgs are too high these days. I think they maybe are, but that is fact that all game developers must reckon with if they want a successful game. Regards Melmoth |
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Originally posted by melmoth1
Actually Melmoth, the OP's point may appear to be proven by the "reasonable critiques" in this thread. I'm not sure I've seen one yet. I'm always interested in those, as to me those kind of suggestions can help improve a game over time. I think you'll have a hard time making a case, that most replies seem to be reasonable critiques at least today. Some of the replies are utter nonsense......like the "nothing to explore" guy above. I sure find a heck of a lot more to explore in WAR, than I ever did in WoW......which tells me they don't even play the game, or they would know that. |
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I dont think most people who post negative comments want the game to fail, they are just not happy with the product they bought. Some do take it much too personal, its just a game after all. I bought Warhammer online and did not find it to be a game I enjoyed that much so I have already gone back to playing CoH/CoV . I still have a mild interest in the game so I do check out the forums here and at the Vn boards. Many who are playing the game love it but i do see a sizable number of folks who have major complaints about thier class, Public quests, Rv R , grinding and so on. Personally I could care less one way or the other, if its a gaint hit thats great! if its a mega failure its no biggie. |
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girlgeek
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Joined: 8/14/07
“Mickey Mouse to a three-year-old is a six-foot-tall RAT!” |
Originally posted by Mistmouse
This makes a very good point, for ME, at least. I spent 50 dollars on this game. I own it. And I still have a mild interest in it, myself. As a matter of fact, I haven't totally ruled out the possibility of subscribing some other time in the near or far future. I have the game sitting right here. It's not like I'm going to toss it in the trash. (Well, okay, I downloaded it from D2D, but still....the same point stands, I have ACCESS to it any time I WANT it.) This is one of the reasons that I like to see what's being said on the forums. Not everyone that had or has issues with the game....is a troll. Not everyone that LOVES it....is a fanboi. Man those words are SO overused and BARELY even resemble their original forum definitions. People have gotten in the habit of just using them to tell someone they strongly disagree with them, and that is NOT what the words meant before that became a TREND. --------------------- |
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I find it funny also, not once have I gone to a forum about a game I hate to post nothing but trash and misery for the community. It really makes you think what these type of people are really like. I personally just enjoy the ones that use the same excuse it's my $50.00 I can go anywhere and say anything I want; however no you can't, it's a privilege to be on the forum, not a right. Anyway, a successful MMORPG such as this only means good things to the MMO Industry, WoW may have a slight competition now therefore innovations will be made and MMOs will start to see a trend of adapting to yet again a new form. Funny thing is that the "hater" freaks don't get is that this game may as well save their MMO genre, so they will hopefully not hate all MMOs. Ahhh... irony. |
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Originally posted by Golomin
Oh god, this game is not going to save the MMO genre. If this game succeeds, more games will resemble WoW, because this game is very similar to WoW. WAR isn't some new flavor, it's the same old shit whether or not you're willing to take that in. |
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Originally posted by Avathos
They're Wowboiz. Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice. |
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Tonev
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Joined: 3/11/06
I use to actually think advanced graphics made a game great. |
<Mod edit> Warhammer is not the end all be all game, there are many games people will hate, be passionate about or love til the cows come calling. Warhammer in the words of the Vanguard professionals has "potential" it's just that currently in the imbalanced state it is in (classes and certain RvR bug I won't mention) it is starting to drive some of those 750kish people it had in the beginning away. I'm really starting to hate how every "Emo" person is flocking over here to complain or whine about Warhammer when Mythic has put so much into having them go to fansites to do this (sarcasm off). |
A lot of people want innovation and different styles of mmorpgs. We want competition to come from games are that are radically different to WoW, not games that are very similar. If WAR is very successful then it will encourage developers to make more WoW type games when they could be spending their development money making the type of games that a lot of people here want to play i.e. sandbox games with large amounts of depth. Fortunately it doesn't look like WAR will put a major dent in WoW's subscriber base which is good news for people that don't like themepark mmorpgs. |
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You are the one that misread. I would go into detail, but blodpls already demonstrated the irony in your misinterpretation. |
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Originally posted by Avathos
I don't feel like the negative posts you read here on these forums are from people advocating the failure(s) of WAR in most circumstances, but I do feel like that people are fed up with the recycled ideas in new and upcoming MMOs. The market is currently saturated with copies, and as a result MMOG development has become less of a creative craft and more about what the easiest thing is to sell and generate revenue from; a lot of people frankly are pissed off about it, I know I am. Warhammer Online is not a bad game, but it's not a incredible game either and I think the fundamental reason why it gets trashed so much is because people are ready to move on after playing all the games from the age of World of Warcraft. It's like we're all stuck in highschool repeating the 12th grade over and over again when we know we're ready to move forward, but for some reason we just can't (if that makes any sense). I think if Warhammer Online came into the scene a couple of years earlier, it would've been easily accepted by the masses, but because we've already speant countless hours in games like WoW, EQ2, and LoTRO, Warhammer Online is just hard to swallow for some people. People are ready for a change of pace, a new approach, and they're just not getting it because of the influence pedaling of the big time publishers and investors. So, I think in a sense, the market does need to take a bit of a loss so that the special interests and influence pedallers might think twice about pushing the notion that the game wont be a success unless it's similar enough to WoW or similar games on the market. It's time for change; for new and fresh ideas, otherwise the entire genre is headed down a bumpy road. |
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There are three types of people 1. Those that are disappointed in the game and want to scream and vent their disappointment. At some point they really hope that they are heard and their issues are addressed. By screaming about problems they hope to get attention but they also hope to hurt Mythic as pain does get attention. So the more vocal they are the more people might not play and the more Mythic will feel pain and make changes. These are of course degrees and this is the most extreme. 2. There are people out there playing other games that see their user base going to other games like war and feel threatened by it. These people are trying to disuade people from playing War so that they don't loose people from their game. Or they might be actively trying to bash War and pump the advantages of their game to encourage people to give it a look. 3. There are people that just love to work people up and create drama. They are drawn to any large gathering of people with the hope that they can create some chaos, drama, or otherwise generate huge forum discussions. These people don't care about the game their game IS the forums!!
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Originally posted by hauj0bb
I don't feel like the negative posts you read here on these forums are from people advocating the failure(s) of WAR in most circumstances, but I do feel like that people are fed up with the recycled ideas in new and upcoming MMOs. The market is currently saturated with copies, and as a result MMOG development has become less of a creative craft and more about what the easiest thing is to sell and generate revenue from; a lot of people frankly are pissed off about it, I know I am. Warhammer Online is not a bad game, but it's not a incredible game either and I think the fundamental reason why it gets trashed so much is because people are ready to move on after playing all the games from the age of World of Warcraft. It's like we're all stuck in highschool repeating the 12th grade over and over again when we know we're ready to move forward, but for some reason we just can't (if that makes any sense). I think if Warhammer Online came into the scene a couple of years earlier, it would've been easily accepted by the masses, but because we've already speant countless hours in games like WoW, EQ2, and LoTRO, Warhammer Online is just hard to swallow for some people. People are ready for a change of pace, a new approach, and they're just not getting it because of the influence pedaling of the big time publishers and investors. So, I think in a sense, the market does need to take a bit of a loss so that the special interests and influence pedallers might think twice about pushing the notion that the game wont be a success unless it's similar enough to WoW or similar games on the market. It's time for change; for new and fresh ideas, otherwise the entire genre is headed down a bumpy road.
EXACTLY my thoughts man, nicely put. I was split. A part of me wanted WAR to be great so I could have something to play while I waited for better games. But another part of me wanted it to fail, and fail hard. Not because I didn't enjoy it, but because I am tired of the same old crappy WoW style themeparks that have been vomitted at us for the last 5 years. If another linear themepark game is a massive success, or even partial success on the levels of WoW, it will spell the complete and utter demise of the any glimmer of ingenuity left in this genre. A big success of WAR would only give more reason to continue to sling themepark crap at us in an attempt to make a quick buck. But with every themepark failure(or lack of massive success), we have a slightly better chance of some developer, some where, opening their eyes and realizing how many things can actually be done with MMO's, but currently aren't. I assure you, it is not that I don't want the people that like themeparks games to be happy. But frankly, over the last 5 years, we have seen nothing but themepark games over and over again. You guys have plenty of options, I'd like one too. Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic |
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haters, too many haters. how much of a life do you have to come to these forums and flame if you dont even like the game. dumbest shit ever, what a waste of time. |
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Originally posted by Abrahmm
Let's see "theme park" - "crappy Wow style" - "crap". Add "sandbox" and we have the typical MMORPG.COM user who thinks he knows what a MMORPG should be like. I already played all those MMORPG's on your signature list and the only thing I can say is that there are only 2 kinds of MMORPG's - GOOD games and not very good games. The word crap doesn't cover anything and is just a meaningless word if not being motivated. It's a word full of frustration and is as hollow as all other 4-letter words.
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EduardoASG
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Joined: 10/09/04
Kill 1 in peace time and you are a murderer, kill 100 in war time and you are an hero! |
I dont want WAR to fail.. noeone does. ITs failing as you put it due to the extensive list of bugged stuff, memory leaks, and a strong politic to favor one of the faction in rvr conflits and campaigns wich are bugged. Soo.. the OP should ask.. why did Mythic want WAR to fail ? Why did Mythic gave Euro distribution to GOA and their laggy low quality servers ? Why doesnt Mythic fix the RVR campaign bugs that gives keeps to Dest and control points wihtout them doing almost nothing, Why did Mythic want Order players when dying to run over one area from South to North or North to Soouth to reach the battle zone again while Dest dont have to do that, etc etc. Remeber an old saying wich is quite true. The Costumer is always right. Seems nowadays most ppl and companies forget that.
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I get the feeling most people want games to fail for one or more of the following reasons: - It eliminates the competition to their own precious game. - They genuinely have a dislike for it (bugs, bad experience, poor tech support, find it boring etc.) - It won't run on their crappy old PC. - To get revenge on the fanboys. - They can't afford the subscription.
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Originally posted by Avathos
I dont understand why people would post just the positive aspect of the game and desperately want WAR (and many other MMOS) to succed even though it was released so early and with many bugs. Did you mother and father have a treesome with a Mythic employee? Did Paul Barnett give you candy when you were 10 years old? Most like the answer to those question are YES. If WAR fails WE ALL LOSE!, why? Because we will not have another good game for us to play and to have fun. Don't you understand that by being a blind fanboy all you do is shooting yourself on the foot limiting your gaming choices. If you want to play WAR then play it, but dont work so hard trying to spread missinformation about it for those are currently undecided about buying it.
It goes both ways OP. Most people just point out the flaws because that is what ruins the game. If people pointed them out in BETA rather than say how great it is we would have a better game. If everything you say is positive then developers will keep releasing unfinished and buggy products. |
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Fa+e
 Vanguard Correspondent
Joined: 8/05/08
I will still search and fight the good fight until I find the game to own all games. |
Originally posted by Zayne3145
Zayne said exactly what I think the reason is that most of the people that would rather this game go bottom up, have. Not just this game...any game that has a strong, passionate, following. But I must say, the fanbois/girls of this game have been the most severe I have ever seen. Everything from bashing any person that stated any small (or large) problem that they have with the game, to constant insults and "shooing" people who may not feel the same about this game as them off to their "crappy" or "failed" AoC, Vanguard, or WoW, or really you could just fill in that blank with any game outside of WAR. This game is far from perfect. There are some really great things about and some really not so great things. And when a person can not make a simple post such as a suggestion to those that would like to see clearer graphics in the game, of how to tweak their settings without getting flamed for saying that the graphics in the game are bad....well surprise surprise, it pisses that person, and anyone that feels like them, off. Warhammer has not had any severe affect on any game, not even games that had lower subscriptions...so I seriously doubt that anyone is concerned about it ending their game. I think the real question is, "Why do fanbois flame and insult anyone that points out a flaw with their game?" Is it because you are afraid that people won't play your precious game? Is it because you don't have anything intelligent to say in response to the real concern the other person has? See the funny thing about the truth is that no matter how hard you try to smother or hide it, it'll show anyway. That means if WAR is the "christ" for all gamers, come to save us from crappy games (which apparently is all of them), then you don't have to insult people who don't see it yet...it will show anyway and WAR will suceed. And don't get me wrong, I understand your love and passion for the game. I love my wife; and if someone walked up and said, "Your wife is an ugly, dirty, slut," more than likely, they wouldn't get a chance to say anything else until they were talking to the doctor. However, if they said, "I don't think that color looks right on her...red hair really doesn't suit her," I can't be mad about their opinion of an aspect of my wife; hell I might even love her red hair, but that is this person't opinion and they have the right to have it, and say it. My response would be, "Well I think she looks great with red hair," and since my and her opinions are the only ones that matter, we are good. And that is my wife, who belongs to no one but me...OF COURSE a person that just spent $50 to try out a game has the right to say however they feel about it. If the fanbois learn that and start just playing the game they love instead of trolling the posts of those that are simply stating what they think could be better or is not right, then people would not have the burning desire for the game to fail so that they can say, "I told you so". Currently Playing: Aion |
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Enough of this crap ! If you hate the game ? OK If you love the Game ? Great Just stop this back lashing and hate ! I cant help it that the game dont exceed your Calling of a Great MMORPG.. I was Fan and a Step-child of World Of Warcraft ! I tell you i was there the server was Live the very first day it was open.. Yes wow had its problems, servers crash- bugs that sent you to your knees when you mine or looted from a mob! I cant help that seems every new game that has hit market that has fail us? What counts is how they deal with it and Listen to the gammers ! Just walk away and stop this War-WOW is better then Butter or Jelly thing! I stop playing World of Warcraft, But i wont go bashing there game, i just moved on ! No i dont want any New game to Fail, if it fail then i just walk away.. Why cause im put my Dollars on a game thats fun and i wont follow someone from what they say on here, i buy and play it and if i spent that money ? It was my own Doing ! Show some Love here ? Were all Human people with feelings and we all Bleed and we are all just looking to be in a game that gives us the fun factor! Sorry if you have stong feels and felt let down, Hope you just fine a way to move on and just alow us to talk about this game without the lies or the feeling that you need to tear down a new game, that has some issues that is being worked out! Time will tell how it goes. Salutes everyone, im really sorry if ive said anything in the past or here to make you feel that im pointing you out.. Kind Regards |
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To the OP: interesting topic and a lot of good discussion in this thread about people and motiviations. My general feeling is that there are many kinds of game players out there, and some of them have very different tastes in what they want from a game. That being said, I've purchased as many games (MMOs included) as probably anyone in general, and I've not hated a single game I've owned. Some games I've gotten bored with, some games frustrated me at times, and some games were broken and wouldn't run on my computer. I chalked it up to experience each time, and moved on to other products. One thing I have a problem understanding is why people think that venting about their "issues" with a game in a forum not followed by the developers is useful to anyone else. I am perfectly fine with topics of discussion that explore various peoples tastes and preferences in game play styles. I certainly believe that negative comments about a product stated in an unemotional, factual, and constructively critical way can be useful for future game developers. However, many people are commenting here not about issues that can be managed as a released game goes forward into it's lifecycle, but fundemental design decisions that were made long in the past as far as a game product is concerned. I think a lot of this unconstructive negativism comes from people who have unrealistic expectations about how a particular product will make them feel. Be it a TV show, a movie, a book, a video game, or a political candidate; for some reason they need to hope that product will change how they feel about their life. Someone making a product responsible for their personnal happiness seems to me to be a self defeating way of managing themselves. However, our commercial marketing based society keeps trying to convince us the only way to achieve happiness is to buy the product they are currently trying to sell you. I also think a breed of extremist personality exists among these relatively average people who like or dislike a game product. They can't just be indiferent or enjoy a product, they must obsessively dwell on the negative or postive aspects of a product as if their life depended on their conviction. These are people of "faith" if you will, and their product of choice is their religion. They have their golden calf, and all other idols are a threat. Sometimes they change religions, but their new "faith" is frequently more rabid than their last. These people engage in "fanboy holy wars" attacking other beliefs, and defending their own. Another personality present in these (and other) forums is the basic "Internet Troll". They don't care about a particular product, or any other person. However, they are wired to get their enjoyment from the misery of other people. This is the personality that ganks newbies in games, and griefs other players with ninja looting or spam. They live to drive other people away from their chosen "nesting ground", be it a forum, or a game server. You can try to fight them on their own terms, you can ignore them, or you can call them on their behaivor. They will often try to hide among the "fanboys" and the "haters", but they are really neither. They would actually have to care about the product to qualify for those categories. They just want to cause unhappiness in others, plain and simple. I fall into the catergory of people who like playing WAR, but I don't love it. The game isn't the perfect form of entertainment for me, and I don't mind that fact. I'll have fun playing it until I get bored with it. Then I will play something else. There won't be negativist posts from me here deriding the product or it's producers. I have a realistic understanding of my tastes as a gamer, and WAR is providing what I expect in a game experience from a product of it's type. If anyone else doesn't like what it is, I recommend they move on to play something they do like, instead of dwelling on the negative aspects of the game. You'll be a happier person if you learn to let go of your negativism and continue with your life. I hope this helps. |
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airhead
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Joined: 4/21/06
Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere. |
Haters serve a purpose.... I browse these forums, and I look at the actual content of the complaints. When I see stuff like: "the box says there will be sieges and it's not in the game" ... or ... "I have computer X and it simply will not run" ...or.... "servers down again for the third time today". When I see this, then I think the game is probably not ready for prime time and I'm not going to buy it. But when the haters are all saying things like: "I don't like scenarios... I want there to be more rvr"... or ... "my character just isn't killing as fast as I want it to" .... or .... "the graphics in this game are just not realistic". Then I'm like, all subjective... think I will buy 4 copies and my 3 sons and I will play, form or join a guild, and have fun.... which is what I've been doing. Hate-posts, without anything substantive, are actually positive posts imo. And substantive hate-posts actually are a check against companies delivering crap. Either way, if you know how to read, all posts are good. |
Originally posted by airhead Once in a while you read a post like this, full of common sense (except the part about buying 4 copies after reading some subjective negative opinions). |
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