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10/13/08 8:57:33 PM#41
When playing SWG I rarely went outside of the Scylla Galaxy Trade Forum. Sometimes I would go to our galaxies general forum to see if any player events were coming up or for pvp events. The class and SWG general forums I stayed well away from due to the flame wars that spawned there. Of all the games I have played, I made it a rule to stay out of class forums altogether and limited trips to the general forums. I have to acknowledge the OP having a point about some of the game forums being abused, but other parts of those forums are helpful to the players and well worth having. Cannot have one forum without having the rest and I would rather have them than to not have them. |
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10/13/08 10:59:04 PM#42
Originally posted by Realm-Reaper Well, actually what you said is that forums tear the online game community apart. Are you suggeting now that you can have a succesful game with a torn apart community? That seems like a contradiction to me. Even if we stick with the apparent suggestion that a game can succeed with a fragmented community, I've seen very healthy forum communities that add to the game, when the game is made well and players and devs work together with an attitude of mutual respect. What you seem to be suggesting is that allowing communication ruins online communities. That kind of seems like saying that turning off the news will make the world a better place. I kind of wish that was true, but I don't think it is.
NO! What I am saying is that between the Fanboi and Troll agenda, the Community suffers. The bottom line is that people that DO NOT have the best interest of the game at Heart, break into the Official Forums and engage in behaviors that gives the game a bad name. Giving these people Offiicial Forums, gives them access to a stage they simply don't deserve. These people abuse the system to amuse themselves. They do it not to make the game better, but because they are Bored at the moment. Official Forums are nothing more than Battlegrounds for Trolls and Fanbois...These days it does more harm than good.
I'm not sure what you're saying "NO!" to exactly. I'm unclear on whether or not you think forums cause games to fail. That aside, I think I understand this much: "troll" versus "fanboi" wars (your words not mine) create unnecessary problems for MMO communitites. Is that what you're saying? If so, then I agree that deceptive viral marketting is a pain in the ass, and so is disrespectful or abusive behaviour. This still doesn't suggest to me that forums are a bad idea though. Again, look at CoH/CoV. I've been posting there for 2 years, and haven't been involved in even one flame war. Come to think of it, I haven't read one either. In the two years I've played and posted, I've only run across one player that was disrespectful. The CoH forums really are "discussion" forums, where people discuss the game. We talk about builds, pvp, upcoming content, player events, suggestions etc.. It's very productive in my experience, and it's fun. What I see tearing online communities apart are MMO service providers that treat customers like garbage and set things up to set subsections of the community at each other's throats. Like taking a game away from one group, changing it and then giving it to another group. That's extremely divisive. Rather than getting rid of forums, I'd sooner get rid of crappy MMO development, deceitful marketting, and yes of course abusive or disrespectful behaviour. This really just calls for professionalism from MMO companies and proper moderation of discussion forums, not their abolition. My opinion anyways :). |
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10/13/08 11:13:41 PM#43
Originally posted by Realm-Reaper
UMMMM... NEVER said Official Forums cause games to "FAIL". Go back and read the post. K-THX!
Comprehend what you typed in yourself, and realize that part of a game's success is tied to it's community. If your player community is for most parts good, then you're set. An official forum for an MMO acts as a "home" of sorts for these players. A centralized place for current guides, feedback, etc. A tight knit group of players that enjoy the game will do more good for you than any ad campaign. It's called "Word of Mouth." Of course, Word of Mouth can destroy you. That is, if you have a craptastic title. Personally, I have always held the belief that most MMOs out there that refuse to have official forums are trying to hide something negative, or trying to slow the spread of bad aspects of their product. Not all of them are awful games, but it's the norm. A community of players doesn't rip itself apart when a game is good. Your posting is very, very reminiscent of the forum traffic I've seen for Age of Failure (Conan). I've seen posts blaming the failure of the game square on the shoulders of the players, as if to hide the fact that the game is just buggy, blatantly incomplete, poorly patched, etc. It held true in official and unofficial AoC forums. AGAIN, if you're tying an MMO's failure to what some people type on a message board... then that game was never that good, was it? "I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918) |
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Realm-Reaper
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Joined: 1/19/07
Need a game that will allow me to Rob and Kill other players...can I Rape the corpse aswell? |
Originally posted by Warmaker
Comprehend what you typed in yourself, and realize that part of a game's success is tied to it's community. If your player community is for most parts good, then you're set. An official forum for an MMO acts as a "home" of sorts for these players. A centralized place for current guides, feedback, etc. A tight knit group of players that enjoy the game will do more good for you than any ad campaign. It's called "Word of Mouth." Of course, Word of Mouth can destroy you. That is, if you have a craptastic title. Personally, I have always held the belief that most MMOs out there that refuse to have official forums are trying to hide something negative, or trying to slow the spread of bad aspects of their product. Not all of them are awful games, but it's the norm. A community of players doesn't rip itself apart when a game is good. Your posting is very, very reminiscent of the forum traffic I've seen for Age of Failure (Conan). I've seen posts blaming the failure of the game square on the shoulders of the players, as if to hide the fact that the game is just buggy, blatantly incomplete, poorly patched, etc. It held true in official and unofficial AoC forums. AGAIN, if you're tying an MMO's failure to what some people type on a message board... then that game was never that good, was it?
You are wrong and you are putting words into my post...DO NOT attempt to read more into MY thread that is there. LET ME BE CLEAR!...This is what my thread IS saying. *Official Forums Breed Hate and Discontent. *Official Forums are Abused by those who have no interest in making the Community better. *Official Forums are NOT needed...You can go to any of a Dozen or more sites with Forums. *Official Forums do nothing more than funnel legitimate players into an Ambush in which Trolls and Fan Bois pick them apart like Vultures on roadkill. This is ALL I am saying!...I know because this is MY THREAD!!!
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10/14/08 7:15:57 AM#45
Originally posted by Realm-Reaper
Just because YOU don't want official forums, DOES NOT mean the majority of us agree. If you don't like Official Forums there is NOTHING stopping you from not signing up to them or logging in! If you ask me this here ANTI OFFICIAL FORUM TROLL is a MMORPG.COM FANBOI CONSPIRATOR P.S. YES this is YOUR THREAD, but WE can also post here and DISAGREE. p.s.s SPEAKING IN BOLD CAPS IS SOO MUCH FUNFUN!1!1!1 Oh and if you disagree: YOU ARE WRONG!
crap I forgot funky colors :*(
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Realm-Reaper
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Joined: 1/19/07
Need a game that will allow me to Rob and Kill other players...can I Rape the corpse aswell? |
Originally posted by Synika
Just because YOU don't want official forums, DOES NOT mean the majority of us agree. If you don't like Official Forums there is NOTHING stopping you from not signing up to them or logging in! If you ask me this here ANTI OFFICIAL FORUM TROLL is a MMORPG.COM FANBOI CONSPIRATOR P.S. YES this is YOUR THREAD, but WE can also post here and DISAGREE. p.s.s SPEAKING IN BOLD CAPS IS SOO MUCH FUNFUN!1!1!1 Oh and if you disagree: YOU ARE WRONG!
crap I forgot funky colors :*(
I don't care if you disagree with me. However, don't tell me what my Thread is trying to say. I know what I'm saying. Do not make posts on my thread telling me what I'm trying to say. As for if I am wrong or not...I don't care! This is my opinion. I will respect your veiws and you will respect mine. |
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Soupgoblin
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10/14/08 1:22:32 PM#47
Originally posted by Realm-Reaper
I don't care if you disagree with me. However, don't tell me what my Thread is trying to say. I know what I'm saying. Do not make posts on my thread telling me what I'm trying to say. As for if I am wrong or not...I don't care! This is my opinion. I will respect your veiws and you will respect mine.
In the end it is YOUR choice of whether or not you decide to be part of a game's "official" forum community, if you are so against "official" forums you shouldn't join them, and thereby you wouldn't be affected by them. If you feel that you are being abused in the forums, contact a moderator, if you are unable to deal with heated debates (which is more likely), Stop joining forums. And most sensibile people will disagree with your idea that "official forums breed hate and discontent", because it is absolutely untrue. Bad games, poor commmunication (from devs), lies and crappy service breed hate and discontent, official forums are just a place for the game community to find out information about the games they play. If the forums are full of hateful, discontent people, then it is due to the game being a piece of crap, those people don't just get angry on a whim, it is because they feel wronged by the creators of the game.
P.S. I hope you can still understand me without me having to use all caps and huge fonts, but ask and I will try to accomodate you |
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10/14/08 2:56:20 PM#48
I am not sure a official forum can kill a game I do remeber some I guess you would call flame wars on the old fourms. I spent most my time in the creature handler fourms and I remeber to this day people comeing in talking about tameing a rare, Sure there would be I guess fights but that is life everyone will never see everything in the same way. I rember someone calling the gorath fourms the slums of all the fourms(to be honest I am sure you could say the thing for all of them at one point or another). Even in that one I never thought it was that bad useally was the same group of people that played togther in game. When it comes down to it even in these fourms one can learn people's posting habits and in general what view they may be comeing from. I guess MMO fourms may be completly different from offline but theu seem to keep the same rules in the mass effect and jade empire fourms. They tell you what they do not want to see even seen them warn people before they took action. AOC has fourms and Tubla Rusa does not from the last time I looked and people call both failures not sure it matters one way or another. I just know I miss being able to go to the orginal fourms in SWG and reading tips and there was some good stories of people finding and taming all kind of things not just rares.
To be honest I am not all the excited about the new game after all I have already been told once I was to old and lucas and soe no longer wanted my money. I do hope it turns out well and wish everyone that does play it that it is atleast close to what they hope for. If used as a gather place for players I think it could help but I am just one raving wookiee wannabe I do not know anything in the end |
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10/14/08 2:58:55 PM#49
Originally posted by Soupgoblin
/agreed |
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10/15/08 2:34:45 AM#50
Official Forums are a waste or Resources. I would rather see the developers take that money and add something cool to the game. Something that Really builds Community. 1) player run cities with player housing and shops 2) guild ships, bases, and fortresses 3) social hubs such as player owned clubs, bars, and arenas
Let gamesites like MMORPG.COM take care of the forums. Put that money to better use. |
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10/15/08 2:41:36 AM#51
Originally posted by Force_Fire
I kinda agree with this. It makes more sense to put that time and money into something that counts. Besides, DEVs need to focus on making the game better. They need to be in game seeing how it all goes down when it's really happening. DEVs don't need some troller telling them bad info just to get a rise out of the fanbois. |
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10/15/08 5:33:04 AM#52
Originally posted by RANGER_BATT
I kinda agree with this. It makes more sense to put that time and money into something that counts. Besides, DEVs need to focus on making the game better. They need to be in game seeing how it all goes down when it's really happening. DEVs don't need some troller telling them bad info just to get a rise out of the fanbois.
I will be very surprised if they don't have official forums. While it does seem to work well for WAR and DAoC, I think the community will demand them. I do agree on a few points. Yes, they do cause problems when not properly MODed (flame wars) and Yes, the time, manpower, and cash could be better spent on ingame items of interest. However, I'm afraid you are stuck with them. |
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10/15/08 11:39:06 AM#53
Originally posted by Realm-Reaper
I don't care if you disagree with me. However, don't tell me what my Thread is trying to say. I know what I'm saying. Do not make posts on my thread telling me what I'm trying to say. As for if I am wrong or not...I don't care! This is my opinion. I will respect your veiws and you will respect mine.
What I'm forced to ask is....
...what evidence do you have that not having them won't generate the very same effects and occurances...if not more extreme or of a differing nature? Honestly, I remember the OG-official forums. Not so bad, imho. Now admittedly they did begin to slide into uselessness farther down the line but I submit to you that that fact isn't endemic of there actually being official forums...but rather that SOE not listening, not giveing feedback, and the state of the game caused a great many of the most vociferous posters to become disinfranchised and to feel alienated. Thus, those who's voice carried truth above simple whine or mud-slinging got buried by the mob of those already angry or just out to drop nukes for no reason. With non-central forums you have to have information dissemination. That takes time. For feedback to be clearly gained from devs to us or vice-versa also takes more time in such a case. The product then suffers or stands a far better chance of doing so because of the same. in my opinion, not having the official forums is as counter-productive to the state of a title as you say it is to have them. Moderation is the key here. Ambushes need to be quelled. Everyone gets the equal voice, provided they don't do so in a disruptive manner with the seeming need to merely be disruptive. Fanbois are EVERYWHERE....get over it. Not having an official forums isn't going to get rid of them, either. H*ll, most of them (fanbois and trolls) have little better to do than to seek out any and all sites to ply their trade so it isn't going to matter if it's "official forums" or "affiliate sites".
Those that yearn to be *ssh*ts are going to BE *ssh*ts...regardless of your attempt to spread them out. They''ll site jump or congregate...meaning it won't matter and the only "fix" for anything will be in the area of player feedback and dev feedback becoming dammed by yet another degree of seperation...which will do FAR more damage to the title than a few fanbois if they'd simply get mods and community relations leads that KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING! :)
Yes, I have anger issues. They taste like chocolate bunnies. |
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10/15/08 1:37:15 PM#54
Originally posted by Exar_Kun
I will be very surprised if they don't have official forums. While it does seem to work well for WAR and DAoC, I think the community will demand them. I do agree on a few points. Yes, they do cause problems when not properly MODed (flame wars) and Yes, the time, manpower, and cash could be better spent on ingame items of interest. However, I'm afraid you are stuck with them.
FORUMS ARE A WASTE. PUT THAT $$$ INTO THE GAME!!!! |
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10/16/08 12:15:22 PM#55
Originally posted by Dark_Fail
I will be very surprised if they don't have official forums. While it does seem to work well for WAR and DAoC, I think the community will demand them. I do agree on a few points. Yes, they do cause problems when not properly MODed (flame wars) and Yes, the time, manpower, and cash could be better spent on ingame items of interest. However, I'm afraid you are stuck with them.
FORUMS ARE A WASTE. PUT THAT $$$ INTO THE GAME!!!!
regardless, BW / LA will have the forums up and going by COB on the 21st. |
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10/16/08 12:19:03 PM#56
Yep, we will have KOTORMMO Oforums by next weekend.
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Realm-Reaper
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Joined: 1/19/07
Need a game that will allow me to Rob and Kill other players...can I Rape the corpse aswell? |
Originally posted by precuorbust
That may be so, but it doesn't make it right. I still think it's a mistake. |
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10/17/08 11:29:45 AM#58
Originally posted by Realm-Reaper
If you knew anything about the forums and the kinda people they have over there you would change you mind in a heartbeat. Trust me, you don't want to use their forums. Most of the people there don't care about MMOs and do nothing but troll and take people off topic. On top of that Stan pretty much said they were gonna open up MMO forums.
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10/17/08 12:27:02 PM#59
Originally posted by kobie173 This would be a remarkably sad state of affairs, if what you posted was remotely true. It is a remarkably sad state of affairs, it is completely true, and you know it is. |
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10/17/08 8:09:17 PM#60
Originally posted by Fishermage This would be a remarkably sad state of affairs, if what you posted was remotely true. It is a remarkably sad state of affairs, it is completely true, and you know it is.
It really is worse than you might think |
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