haters, too many haters. how much of a life do you have to come to these forums and flame if you dont even like the game. dumbest shit ever, what a waste of time.

Originally posted by Abrahmm

 

EXACTLY my thoughts man, nicely put.

I was split. A part of me wanted WAR to be great so I could have something to play while I waited for better games. But another part of me wanted it to fail, and fail hard. Not because I didn't enjoy it, but because I am tired of the same old crappy WoW style themeparks that have been vomitted at us for the last 5 years. If another linear themepark game is a massive success, or even partial success on the levels of WoW, it will spell the complete and utter demise of the any glimmer of ingenuity left in this genre. A big success of WAR would only give more reason to continue to sling themepark crap at us in an attempt to make a quick buck.

But with every themepark failure(or lack of massive success), we have a slightly better chance of some developer, some where, opening their eyes and realizing how many things can actually be done with MMO's, but currently aren't.

I assure you, it is not that I don't want the people that like themeparks games to be happy. But frankly, over the last 5 years, we have seen nothing but themepark games over and over again. You guys have plenty of options, I'd like one too.

Let's see "theme park" - "crappy Wow style" - "crap". Add "sandbox" and we have the typical MMORPG.COM user who thinks he knows what a MMORPG should be like.

I already played all those MMORPG's on your signature list and the only thing I can say is that there are only 2 kinds of MMORPG's - GOOD games and not very good games.

The word crap doesn't cover anything and is just a meaningless word if not being motivated. It's a word full of frustration and is as hollow as all other 4-letter words.

I dont want WAR to fail.. noeone does.

ITs failing as you put it due to the extensive list of bugged stuff, memory leaks, and a strong politic to favor one of the faction in rvr conflits and campaigns wich are bugged.

Soo.. the OP should ask.. why did Mythic want WAR to fail ? Why did Mythic gave Euro distribution to GOA and their laggy low quality servers ? Why doesnt Mythic fix the RVR campaign bugs that gives keeps to Dest and control points wihtout them doing almost nothing, Why did Mythic want Order players when dying to run over one area from South to North or North to Soouth to reach the battle zone again while Dest dont have to do that, etc etc.

Remeber an old saying wich is quite true. The Costumer is always right.

Seems nowadays most ppl and companies forget that.

I get the feeling most people want games to fail for one or more of the following reasons:

- It eliminates the competition to their own precious game.

- They genuinely have a dislike for it (bugs, bad experience, poor tech support, find it boring etc.)

- It won't run on their crappy old PC.

- To get revenge on the fanboys.

- They can't afford the subscription.

Originally posted by Avathos

I dont understand why people would post just the nagative aspect of the game and desperately want WAR (and many other MMOS) to fail.

Did you mother cheated on you father with a Mythic employee? Did Paul Barnett molested when you were 10 years old? Most like the answer to those question are NO.

If WAR succeeds WE ALL WIN!, why? Because we will have another good game for us to play and to have fun.

Dont you understand that by flaming, hating and  trolling all you do is shooting yourself on the foot limiting your gaming choices. If you dont want to play WAR dont play it, but dont work so hard trying to ruin it for those are currently enjoying the game and having fun.

I dont understand why people would post just the positive aspect of the game and desperately want WAR (and many other MMOS) to succed even though it was released so early and with many bugs.

Did you mother and father have a treesome with a Mythic employee? Did Paul Barnett give you candy when you were 10 years old? Most like the answer to those question are YES.

If WAR fails WE ALL LOSE!, why? Because we will not have another good game for us to play and to have fun.

Don't you understand that by being a blind fanboy all you do is shooting yourself on the foot limiting your gaming choices. If you want to play WAR then play it, but dont work so hard trying to spread missinformation about it for those are currently undecided about buying it.

It goes both ways OP. Most people just point out the flaws because that is what ruins the game. If people pointed them out in BETA rather than say how great it is we would have a better game. If everything you say is positive then developers will keep releasing unfinished and buggy products.

Originally posted by Zayne3145

- To get revenge on the fanboys.

Zayne said exactly what I think the reason is that most of the people that would rather this game go bottom up, have.  Not just this game...any game that has a strong, passionate, following.  But I must say, the fanbois/girls of this game have been the most severe I have ever seen.  Everything from bashing any person that stated any small (or large) problem that they have with the game, to constant insults and "shooing" people who may not feel the same about this game as them off to their "crappy" or "failed" AoC, Vanguard, or WoW, or really you could just fill in that blank with any game outside of WAR.

This game is far from perfect.  There are some really great things about and some really not so great things.  And when a person can not make a simple post such as a suggestion to those that would like to see clearer graphics in the game, of how to tweak their settings without getting flamed for saying that the graphics in the game are bad....well surprise surprise, it pisses that person, and anyone that feels like them, off.  Warhammer has not had any severe affect on any game, not even games that had lower subscriptions...so I seriously doubt that anyone is concerned about it ending their game.

I think the real question is, "Why do fanbois flame and insult anyone that points out a flaw with their game?"  Is it because you are afraid that people won't play your precious game?  Is it because you don't have anything intelligent to say in response to the real concern the other person has?  See the funny thing about the truth is that no matter how hard you try to smother or hide it, it'll show anyway.  That means if WAR is the "christ" for all gamers, come to save us from crappy games (which apparently is all of them), then you don't have to insult people who don't see it yet...it will show anyway and WAR will suceed.  And don't get me wrong, I understand your love and passion for the game.  I love my wife; and if someone walked up and said, "Your wife is an ugly, dirty, slut," more than likely, they wouldn't get a chance to say anything else until they were talking to the doctor.  However, if they said, "I don't think that color looks right on her...red hair really doesn't suit her," I can't be mad about their opinion of an aspect of my wife; hell I might even love her red hair, but that is this person't opinion and they have the right to have it, and say it.  My response would be, "Well I think she looks great with red hair," and since my and her opinions are the only ones that matter, we are good.  And that is my wife, who belongs to no one but me...OF COURSE a person that just spent $50 to try out a game has the right to say however they feel about it.

If the fanbois learn that and start just playing the game they love instead of trolling the posts of those that are simply stating what they think could be better or is not right, then people would not have the burning desire for the game to fail so that they can say, "I told you so".

Enough of this crap !

If you hate the game ?  OK

If you love the Game ?  Great

Just stop this back lashing and hate !

I cant help it that the game dont exceed your Calling of a Great MMORPG..

I was  Fan and a Step-child of World Of Warcraft !

I tell you i was there the server was Live the very first day it was open..

Yes wow had its problems, servers crash- bugs that sent you to your knees when you mine or looted from a mob!  

I cant help that seems every new game that has hit market that has fail us?  What counts is how they deal with it and Listen to the gammers !

Just walk away and stop this War-WOW is better then Butter or Jelly thing!

I stop playing World of Warcraft,

But i wont go bashing there game, i just moved on !

No i dont want any New game to Fail, if it fail then i just walk away..

Why cause im put my Dollars on a game thats fun and i wont follow someone from what they say on here, i buy and play it and if i spent that money ? 

It was my own Doing !

Show some Love here ?  Were all Human people with feelings and we all Bleed and we are all just looking to be in a game that gives us the fun factor!

Sorry if you have stong feels and felt let down,

Hope you just fine a way to move on and just alow us to talk about this game without the lies or the feeling

that you need to tear down a new game, that has some issues that is being worked out!

Time will tell how it goes.

Salutes everyone, im really sorry if ive said anything in the past or here to make you feel that im pointing you out..

Kind Regards

To the OP: interesting topic and a lot of good discussion in this thread about people and motiviations.

My general feeling is that there are many kinds of game players out there, and some of them have very different tastes in what they want from a game.  That being said, I've purchased as many games (MMOs included) as probably anyone in general, and I've not hated a single game I've owned.  Some games I've gotten bored with, some games frustrated me at times, and some games were broken and wouldn't run on my computer.  I chalked it up to experience each time, and moved on to other products. 

One thing I have a problem understanding is why people think that venting about their "issues" with a game in a forum not followed by the developers is useful to anyone else.  I am perfectly fine with topics of discussion that explore various peoples tastes and preferences in game play styles.  I certainly believe that negative comments about a product stated in an unemotional, factual, and constructively critical way can be useful for future game developers.  However, many people are commenting here not about issues that can be managed as a released game goes forward into it's lifecycle, but fundemental design decisions that were made long in the past as far as a game product is concerned. 

I think a lot of this unconstructive negativism comes from people who have unrealistic expectations about how a particular product will make them feel.  Be it a TV show, a movie, a book, a video game, or a political candidate; for some reason they need to hope that product will change how they feel about their life.  Someone making a product responsible for their personnal happiness seems to me to be a self defeating way of managing themselves.  However, our commercial marketing based society keeps trying to convince us the only way to achieve happiness is to buy the product they are currently trying to sell you. 

I also think a breed of extremist personality exists among these relatively average people who like or dislike a game product.  They can't just be indiferent or enjoy a product, they must obsessively dwell on the negative or postive aspects of a product as if their life depended on their conviction.  These are people of "faith" if you will, and their product of choice is their religion.  They have their golden calf, and all other idols are a threat.  Sometimes they change religions, but their new "faith" is frequently more rabid than their last.  These people engage in "fanboy holy wars" attacking other beliefs, and defending their own. 

Another personality present in these (and other) forums is the basic "Internet Troll".  They don't care about a particular product, or any other person.  However, they are wired to get their enjoyment from the misery of other people.  This is the personality that ganks newbies in games, and griefs other players with ninja looting or spam.  They live to drive other people away from their chosen "nesting ground", be it a forum, or a game server.  You can try to fight them on their own terms, you can ignore them, or you can call them on their behaivor.  They will often try to hide among the "fanboys" and the "haters", but they are really neither.  They would actually have to care about the product to qualify for those categories.  They just want to cause unhappiness in others, plain and simple.

I fall into the catergory of people who like playing WAR, but I don't love it.  The game isn't the perfect form of entertainment for me, and I don't mind that fact.  I'll have fun playing it until I get bored with it.  Then I will play something else.  There won't be negativist posts from me here deriding the product or it's producers.  I have a realistic understanding of my tastes as a gamer, and WAR is providing what I expect in a game experience from a product of it's type.  If anyone else doesn't like what it is, I recommend they move on to play something they do like, instead of dwelling on the negative aspects of the game.  You'll be a happier person if you learn to let go of your negativism and continue with your life.

I hope this helps.

Haters serve a purpose....

I browse these forums, and I look at the actual content of the complaints. When I see stuff like: "the box says there will be sieges and it's not in the game" ... or ... "I have computer X and it simply will not run"  ...or.... "servers down again for the third time today".    When I see this, then I think the game is probably not ready for prime time and I'm not going to buy it.

But when the haters are all saying things like: "I don't like scenarios... I want there to be more rvr"... or ... "my character just isn't killing as fast as I want it to" .... or .... "the graphics in this game are just not realistic".

Then I'm like, all subjective... think I will buy 4 copies and my 3 sons and I will play, form or join a guild, and have fun.... which is what I've been doing.

Hate-posts, without anything substantive, are actually positive posts imo.  And substantive hate-posts actually are a check against companies delivering crap. Either way, if you know how to read, all posts are good.

Originally posted by airhead

Haters serve a purpose....

I browse these forums, and I look at the actual content of the complaints. When I see stuff like: "the box says there will be sieges and it's not in the game" ... or ... "I have computer X and it simply will not run"  ...or.... "servers down again for the third time today".    When I see this, then I think the game is probably not ready for prime time and I'm not going to buy it.

But when the haters are all saying things like: "I don't like scenarios... I want there to be more rvr"... or ... "my character just isn't killing as fast as I want it to" .... or .... "the graphics in this game are just not realistic".

Then I'm like, all subjective... think I will buy 4 copies and my 3 sons and I will play, form or join a guild, and have fun.... which is what I've been doing.

Hate-posts, without anything substantive, are actually positive posts imo.  And substantive hate-posts actually are a check against companies delivering crap. Either way, if you know how to read, all posts are good.

Once in a while you read a post like this, full of common sense (except the part about buying 4 copies after reading some subjective negative opinions).

Well personally before AoC i never wanted any game to fail. But all that crap that AoC turned out to be and the follow up of WAR ( i don't like the game at all, and to me it's not even close to what was promised) i d rather see the genre come to a halt and only serious games come if at all than more of the same ol sh*t being recycled with a new name.

Imo the genre already has one WoW, we don't need 5000 more. I d rather it took a halt for a couple of years and more innovetive games like EVE come out. (and i dont even like eve but at least its something new)

Originally posted by altairzq

Originally posted by airhead

Haters serve a purpose....

I browse these forums, and I look at the actual content of the complaints. When I see stuff like: "the box says there will be sieges and it's not in the game" ... or ... "I have computer X and it simply will not run"  ...or.... "servers down again for the third time today".    When I see this, then I think the game is probably not ready for prime time and I'm not going to buy it.

But when the haters are all saying things like: "I don't like scenarios... I want there to be more rvr"... or ... "my character just isn't killing as fast as I want it to" .... or .... "the graphics in this game are just not realistic".

Then I'm like, all subjective... think I will buy 4 copies and my 3 sons and I will play, form or join a guild, and have fun.... which is what I've been doing.

Hate-posts, without anything substantive, are actually positive posts imo.  And substantive hate-posts actually are a check against companies delivering crap. Either way, if you know how to read, all posts are good.

Once in a while you read a post like this, full of common sense (except the part about buying 4 copies after reading some subjective negative opinions).

LOL.... well, to each his own. For some, 50 bucks is like buying a hamburger to others...  we are having fun for now. I've done the 4 account thing on several MMOs before. We play hard and have fun for 2-3 months, then we quit and do something else. Probably be the same with this game as well.

some people invest a lot of time in mmo's...some take it too far and invest a majority of their lives in an mmo.

so when a new mmo comes out, they must prove to the world that the mmo they have chosen is the one everyone else should play.  WHenever a new mmo comes out, their game is at risk of losing population and starting a slow processes of decline.  Often they have "one of the best characters" on their server.  This is a huge investment for them, and a new mmo puts it at risk.  SO they must do everything they can to spread negative information around in order to drive away as many people as possible.

remeber a failed mmo makes this kids mmo all that much better.  It protects his investment that much longer.

its a pretty sad state to be in.  this is what happens when you devote your life to playing these games.

i think this sums up a  potrion of mmo fans that want to see mmo failures.

the remaining portion of these people are either commiting revenge trolling.....my game got trolled severly and so now ill do it to this game since it was probably fanoys of this game. or actual marketing employees of another, competing mmo. 

eitherway the smart gamer will use sites like these to either stay in touch with other players, for news, for anything OTHER than getting player reviews.

if you go to any site for player reviews, and use those to base your decisions on what game to play your going to end up not playing any, because apparently every mmo sucks balls.

Originally posted by crunchyblack

some people invest a lot of time in mmo's...some take it too far and invest a majority of their lives in an mmo.

so when a new mmo comes out, they must prove to the world that the mmo they have chosen is the one everyone else should play.  WHenever a new mmo comes out, their game is at risk of losing population and starting a slow processes of decline.  Often they have "one of the best characters" on their server.  This is a huge investment for them, and a new mmo puts it at risk.  SO they must do everything they can to spread negative information around in order to drive away as many people as possible.

remeber a failed mmo makes this kids mmo all that much better.  It protects his investment that much longer.

its a pretty sad state to be in.  this is what happens when you devote your life to playing these games.

 

i think this sums up a  potrion of mmo fans that want to see mmo failures.

the remaining portion of these people are either commiting revenge trolling.....my game got trolled severly and so now ill do it to this game since it was probably fanoys of this game. or actual marketing employees of another, competing mmo. 

eitherway the smart gamer will use sites like these to either stay in touch with other players, for news, for anything OTHER than getting player reviews.

if you go to any site for player reviews, and use those to base your decisions on what game to play your going to end up not playing any, because apparently every mmo sucks balls.

A lot of people who don't like this game are not playing any mmorpgs at the moment but would like to see games with new ideas being released not rehashes of old games.

Player reviews are the best method of ascertaining whether a game is worth playing or not for a lot of people.  They are much more honest than reviews from the gaming media and you can easily see if you are likely to agree with the reviewer by checking which other games they like, if they are the same games as you then they obviously have similar taste.

Originally posted by Avathos

Did Paul Barnett molested when you were 10 years old?

Its CRAP like this is why people like you should be banned. How in the WORLD does THIS thought even come to your mind? 

I'll play devil's advocate for a minute.

How many people would visit a game forum that contained nothing but glowing reviews and gushing praise for every game on the market?

The negative posts are a necessary evil.

i want all medieval themed and fantasy themed mmos to fail so we'll start to see more sci-fi based ones, and hopefully sand box games too.

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Originally posted by Avathos
I dont understand why people would post just the nagative aspect of the game and desperately want WAR (and many other MMOS) to fail.
Did you mother cheated on you father with a Mythic employee? Did Paul Barnett molested when you were 10 years old? Most like the answer to those question are NO.
If WAR succeeds WE ALL WIN!, why? Because we will have another good game for us to play and to have fun.
Dont you understand that by flaming, hating and  trolling all you do is shooting yourself on the foot limiting your gaming choices. If you dont want to play WAR dont play it, but dont work so hard trying to ruin it for those are currently enjoying the game and having fun.
 
 
 
 

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I have numerous oppinions about various games but that's what they are, my oppinions. They should have little or no impact on your oppinion unless you're really unsure about how you really feel.

It's also about preferences and previous experiences. For instance, I have played a lot of City of Heroes and I liked designing new Characters. If that was my sole MMO experience and the element I liked the most and got me into the genre, Warhammer Online and most other MMOs would seem like drastic failures taking huge steps backwards in terms of user customization. If I came from World of Warcraft, Warhammer Online would seem identical in that aspect: Pick race, pick class, set a few tumblers, give name, ready to go.

It has to do with yourself more than anything else. If you enjoy something it doesn't matter what anybody else says. But on the same token, just because you enjoy something, doesn't mean the other guy isn't right. You can have all the fun in the world with Warhammer Online but if the costume-happy hypothetical "Customization-of-Character-is-KEY" gamer declares that the game has pathetic customization options, that is still true. Everybody is identical.

So, accept the truths, but don't let it ruin your fun if it's not important to you.

If you feel you have to defend any little slight, however justified it is, the problem is not with the people critisizing, but with you reading it.

Originally posted by Avathos

I dont understand why people would post just the nagative aspect of the game and desperately want WAR (and many other MMOS) to fail.

Did you mother cheated on you father with a Mythic employee? Did Paul Barnett molested when you were 10 years old? Most like the answer to those question are NO.

If WAR succeeds WE ALL WIN!, why? Because we will have another good game for us to play and to have fun.

Dont you understand that by flaming, hating and  trolling all you do is shooting yourself on the foot limiting your gaming choices. If you dont want to play WAR dont play it, but dont work so hard trying to ruin it for those are currently enjoying the game and having fun.

 

 

 

 

I don't' ""WANT"" war to fail, its just after 4 weeks of playing it, its flaws have shown through...   The first couple weeks of WAR was awesome, but now we have empty PQ's, Dungeons that are basically big PQ's, everyone is doing Scenarios so Open RvR is pretty much empty... PvE is pretty much a joke in this game... and don't even get me started on the pathetic crafting they have....

This game appeals to one type of player and that is PvP player...  This game offers nothing to PvE players, unless you like doing boring Quests, empty PQ areas and Dungeons that are just PQ's themselves...  There is no economy, armor and weapons are handed to you on a silver platter and you get more XP from doing scenerios then you do from questing....  So unless you just like PvP'ing all day long this game gets boring fast..

Originally posted by Pangaea

Main Reason:

• Fanboys hate Haters and Haters hate fanboys.
• There are two kinds of people.
• People that will hype a game in the begining.. hype it blindly.
• People that are sour and bitter at being burned by false hopes and are skeptics and start to hate on a game thinking the hype will be false.
• These people CLASH.. and CLASH so bad that they start to exagerate thier situations after the game is released to PROVE that what they have been saying the whole time was right.

I seen it with AOC, DNL, WISH, VANGUARD.

Example: 

Fanboy: This game is goign to be sandbox, all new ideas. This is the NEXT GEN MMO, YES.. DIE WOW DIE!

Hater: This game is going to BLOW.. I can tell already that the DEVS have no clue, they are ripping off WOW. Unoriginal crap!!!! I I bet it FAILS!!

Fanboy: God shut up HATER obviously you don't know crap.. go back to playing WOW with the rest of the girls.. you wowwy wow player.

Hater: What ever you blind hyper mc hyperson. Blizzard makes AWESOME products.. look at thier track record. This game is goign to fail!

 

AFTER GAME RELEASE:

Fanboy: OMG BEST GAME EVER CREATED, ,I bet GOD is jealous. (I need to love this game or the last year of my life on these forums would seem foolish)

Hater: BOOORRING, SAME CRAP, BUGGY >> LAGGGGG... wtf.f. I can't play.. MYTHICFAIL!! (I need to hate this game or the last year of my life on these forums would seem foolish)

Fanboy: What are you talking about NEWB. Every game has bugs..where have you been. No matter what bugs you ever complain about they aren't that bad ever because they will get fixed.. so the game will always be perfectly fine no matter what. I WANT TO MARRY THIS GAME

Hater: OMG.. GREAT JOB MYTHIC, Ironbreakers have KNOCK BACK, WE OP, crashes BUGS, CHARCTERS DELETED, LAG, FACES, TEXTURES, LIGHTING, EVERYTHING SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111  arggggg I have to KILL MYSELFFFFFFF

 

That is pretty much all I see on these forums.

STRAW MEN, HURRAY