I third that emotion!

 Need the Knight. That would bring me from Destruction over to Order.

I am an Ironbreaker.. I can tank anything for ya lads. :)

I've seen Ironbreakers withstand tremendous punishment.  They can do the tank job well.

Not really convinced yet with Swordmasters towards tanking, even though I have one and specced towards defense / tanking.

The lack of Empire tanks is glaringly awful.  I'm sure it's worse in PvE than in RvR.  In RvR, you can **hope** Swordmasters or Ironbreakers show up to tank.  If not, then Order RvR with Empire will suck balls.  BIG.  In PvE, it would be worse for Empire players.  There you're not going to find as much non-Empire toons, especially Swordmasters and Ironbreakers walking around in Empire PvE areas.

*sigh* What you guys need to understand, is that Knight of the blazing sun was not intended to be the mirror of Chosen.

Neither was Hammerer and Choppa intended to be mirrors.  The mirrors are as follows:

Greenskin/High elf

Squig Herder - Weaker shadow warrior (with pet)

Shaman - Archmage

Black orc - Swordmaster

Choppa - Stronger white lion (without a pet)

Chaos/Dwarf

Chosen - Ironbreaker

Zealot - Runepriest

Magus - Engineer

Marauder - Hammerer

Dark Elf/Empire

Disciple of Khaine - Warrior Priest

Witch elf - Witch Hunter

Sorceress - Bright wizard

Black Guard - Knight of the blazing Sun

As you can see, the mirrors goes in a "circle".  If each faction equalled their mirror, the circle would look like this:

Empire fights Dwarves who fight High elf, who fight Empire.

Or:

Dark elves fight Chaos who fight Greenskin who fight Dark elves.

War is everywhere.

Originally posted by Midori86

*sigh* What you guys need to understand, is that Knight of the blazing sun was not intended to be the mirror of Chosen.

I don't think we were asking for a *mirror* of *anything*.  The point we were attempting to make is that in PvE and starting EMPIRE PQ's having no tank seriously hinders/cripples us (empire-players).  DPS is awesome to have, but without a tank you're going to go down pretty quick, Warrior Priest or not.  And, seeing as how the early PQ's are near-empty, it's hard to find *large* groups to complete these.  The need for numbers diminish big-time when there's a tank, dps, and priest in a group.  The tank (with healer) makes all the difference.  That's all we're saying.

From what I've played of this game, I can say it has the potential to be one of the greatest MMO's ever made.  But, there has to be balancing of every races' classes'.  Ironbreakers are awesome...if you play dwarves.  However, if you want to play a kick-ass damage-soaker-tank as Empire?  Sorry, you're out of luck (and, let's not forget the Dark Elves).  I just think it was a mistake to not allow one of each class in every starting area.  As I said, this doesn't mean as much in later-game as it does in early/starting game, but it's still there.  I just hope they add these 2 classes in for the Empire and Dark Elves. 

Peace.

Originally posted by Kexin

Heavy reliance on dorfs for two of the most central archtype is killing The Order in this game. Don't get me wrong Ironbreakers are great tanks, and Runepriests are great healers. But unfortunately there are quite a few people do not like being shoe horned into playing a short race. Chaos doesn't have this problem, and this among others, is why the Order will be destroyed across all servers upon release.

Its like Hybernia all over again. One would think that after all those years of DAoC Mythic would learn to balance their content by now.

im confused , which one was hibernia ? cause i played on gweniver and that server was balenced, and the hibs pwns, so are you saying  that the order is like the hibs ? , well whats the complaint ?

Good question.

It's an emergency to do so: righht now there are a unbearable amount of black orcs and chosen because they look "cool", and much less Iron breaker and Swordmaster, giving destruction an upper hand in assaulting the ennemy. Not necessarily winning because the bright wizard power somehow balance this lack of tank; but somtimes it's frustrating to see 3 black orcs, 4 chosen and 2 marauder jump on the paper tanks, while the 2 iron breaker and the swordmaster helplessly chew at their ankles.

Signed for this. Empire needs its tank. i don't want to play tank dressed ina  skirt  or look like a football rolling on ground in PVP and PVE.

Originally posted by Kubush

Any chance they will release the Empire tank class that was cut a few months ago?

Yeah it sucks that the Knight of the Blazing Sun isn't in, but it will be eventually. You'll just have to play the other available tanks in the meantime.
 

The Ironbreaker and Swordmaster are both tanks. The Ironbreaker is pretty much on par with the Black Orc and the Swordmaster is pretty much on par with the Chosen.

The much coveted Knight of the Blazing Sun would probably have been on par with the dark elf Black Guard.

The problem with Order is not that they don't have any tanks, it's just not the tank most want to play.