General Discussion

your point about gods role in creation is the main topic obviously, but my point was that many people here bash the Bible because they feel it to be Fiction, yet many of those same people could read a book that is clearly intended to be fiction, for example, a Star Wars book, and find many philisophical and relatively productive lessons withen it. What im saying is just because you dont belive something, dosent mean there isent something to be learned/gained from it.  And yes i belive you are correct that its outdated, i am also of the belief that it lost any hope of being gods true word, when thousands upon thousands of people re translated it, across different languages, codes, fragmented sources etc. which in my opinion, made it more of a "heard it threw the grape vine" final product.

As far as the role god plays in the existance of everything from the start, you have to look at 1 simple question. WHAT IS THE VALIDITY OF COINCEDENCE. Because our existance for all these years is based on such a fragile balance of countless factors, it all comes down to if you belive we are the outcome of 100's of 1000's of aspects of existance, all falling into place perfectly, and staying in the balanced co-existance long enough for life to evolve to the point where we can actualy question it.

Fact is nobody knows, and im pretty sure no extent of science will ever prove god dosent exist 100%. So that leaves room for alot of speculation, such as

1. If God exists, and created eveything, what was before him, and/or how did he come to be.

2. If the answer to #1 turns out to bethat god was created, then does this mean there is more then 1 God?

3 If the answer to #2 is yes, then the same querstion could be repeated to the next creater infinatly.

The Bible basicly says that your faith should be enough, and that gods existance is just an understood logic that is and always will be beyond us, and ironicly it also teaches that curiosity can be our calamity "towers of babylon" . I was raised in a Christian house hold, but i have also been raised to question eveything, so the final product is a limbo realy, i believe in the nature of good will, and i think all faiths ultiamtley strive to strengthen unity and peace, yet my questioning these things usualy leads torealising religion at many times, achieves the exact opposite.

Originally posted by shizzie

your point about gods role in creation is the main topic obviously, but my point was that many people here bash the Bible because they feel it to be Fiction, yet many of those same people could read a book that is clearly intended to be fiction, for example, a Star Wars book, and find many philisophical and relatively productive lessons withen it. What im saying is just because you dont belive something, dosent mean there isent something to be learned/gained from it.  And yes i belive you are correct that its outdated, i am also of the belief that it lost any hope of being gods true word, when thousands upon thousands of people re translated it, across different languages, codes, fragmented sources etc. which in my opinion, made it more of a "heard it threw the grape vine" final product.

 

As far as the role god plays in the existance of everything from the start, you have to look at 1 simple question. WHAT IS THE VALIDITY OF COINCEDENCE. Because our existance for all these years is based on such a fragile balance of countless factors, it all comes down to if you belive we are the outcome of 100's of 1000's of aspects of existance, all falling into place perfectly, and staying in the balanced co-existance long enough for life to evolve to the point where we can actualy question it.

Fact is nobody knows, and im pretty sure no extent of science will ever prove god dosent exist 100%. So that leaves room for alot of speculation, such as

1. If God exists, and created eveything, what was before him, and/or how did he come to be.

2. If the answer to #1 turns out to bethat god was created, then does this mean there is more then 1 God?

3 If the answer to #2 is yes, then the same querstion could be repeated to the next creater infinatly.

The Bible basicly says that your faith should be enough, and that gods existance is just an understood logic that is and always will be beyond us, and ironicly it also teaches that curiosity can be our calamity "towers of babylon" . I was raised in a Christian house hold, but i have also been raised to question eveything, so the final product is a limbo realy, i believe in the nature of good will, and i think all faiths ultiamtley strive to strengthen unity and peace, yet my questioning these things usualy leads torealising religion at many times, achieves the exact opposite.

I understand where you're coming from. I suppose it is just better to leave these questions alone and go on just enjoying live and living positively and letting the scriptures benefit our lives instead of making us question the the universe.

I use to just not really be bothered with such thoughts and questions and I suppose that's because I completely believed in what religions were out there but now I found myself questioning it and seeing it in another light , to me it seems like we still have yet to create a religion that is actually and truthfully positive , sure all of these religions were positive thousands of years ago but man was vastly more primal and ignorant than we are today. The only real religions that seem to give me purpose today are Hinduism and Buddhism.

Barley anyone has seemed to answer my question as to Why did God create the earth? What was he looking to receive/get out of the earth , why did he do it? The bible states no answer as to why he created Adam and eve. It still makes sense that it was for entertainment , it's the drama of the God/s.

Scripture plains gives the purpose to why God did those things, however, I'm not in a position to debate it with 50 other people as I have done in the past. I just don't have the time. I hope another person who knows anything about the OT and how it relates to a NT reality can post (who would have more time on their hands than I do).

I do have time, however, to have a PM discussion, and if you were willing, we could post our discussion on this topic so others can read without having me reply, as I said before, I don't have time to for debates like I used to.

Blessings,

I have thought about your exact question a few times, and its important to realize any answer is speculation. However, at 1 point in time, i assumed that when god was creating human nature, he eventualy created doubt, id imagine the creation of something that is counter productive to faith, would lead even God to further explore and understand it. It may sound insulting to god, to say that he wouldent fully underatand his creations, but if humans are some sort of perpetual learning experiance,then its a perfect environment for seeking answers that require almost limitless data from a constantly reproducing source of variables.

If there is something God ever encounterd that he truely dident fully realize, that would be an unintentional creation of doubt.

Keep in mind that i had this thought a long time ago. and i have sense then, changed my view, and i simply respect god as existing beyond religions, or any form or origin withen human comprehention.

Originally posted by shizzie

I have thought about your exact question a few times, and its important to realize any answer is speculation. However, at 1 point in time, i assumed that when god was creating human nature, he eventualy created doubt, id imagine the creation of something that is counter productive to faith, would lead even God to further explore and understand it. It may sound insulting to god, to say that he wouldent fully underatand his creations, but if humans are some sort of perpetual learning experiance,then its a perfect environment for seeking answers that require almost limitless data from a constantly reproducing source of variables.

 

If there is something God ever encounterd that he truely dident fully realize, that would be an unintentional creation of doubt.

Keep in mind that i had this thought a long time ago. and i have sense then, changed my view, and i simply respect god as existing beyond religions, or any form or origin withen human comprehention.

Well that is a quite a bright insight. It somewhat explains the paradox of God being perfect yet creating a highly imperfect world.

Their is no purpose, their is no god

their is no spoon.

but on a serious note I think as far as why evil and pain exists, I believe to balance out the way we live our lives. Sure the world would be better without wars and violence, but from a universal aspect of balance, its just a necessary thing we have to live with as far as any diety might be concerned.

Just as you need predators to hunt prey, I think you need violence to destroy love.

I don't think it makes sense either, but thats what I believe :P

Originally posted by chrono73

Originally posted by shizzie

I have thought about your exact question a few times, and its important to realize any answer is speculation. However, at 1 point in time, i assumed that when god was creating human nature, he eventualy created doubt, id imagine the creation of something that is counter productive to faith, would lead even God to further explore and understand it. It may sound insulting to god, to say that he wouldent fully underatand his creations, but if humans are some sort of perpetual learning experiance,then its a perfect environment for seeking answers that require almost limitless data from a constantly reproducing source of variables.

 

If there is something God ever encounterd that he truely dident fully realize, that would be an unintentional creation of doubt.

Keep in mind that i had this thought a long time ago. and i have sense then, changed my view, and i simply respect god as existing beyond religions, or any form or origin withen human comprehention.

 

Well that is a quite a bright insight. It somewhat explains the paradox of God being perfect yet creating a highly imperfect world.

If I were to ask the average person does cold exist? His or Her answer would likely be yes. However, this is incorrect. Cold does not exist. Cold is the absence of heat. Similarly, darkness does not exist. Darkness is the absence of light. Similarly, evil is the absence of good, or better, evil is the absence of God. God did not have to create evil, but rather only allow for the absence of good.