Star Trek Online

Originally posted by Force_Fire

Why would you ever turn Startrek into an XBOX title? I will never see the appeal in an MMORPG made for the Console. I wish DEV companies were not so freaken greedy. Why can't they just be happy with the PC version.

CONSOLES = WATERED DOWN GAMES

I always love these rants.

You know FFXI was actually a PS2 game released in Japan.. when they opened up the US market it was cross platformed to the PC.

FFXI is better than many of the "pc only" MMO's that have ever come out.. and had one of the best control systems (imho) of any MMO I have ever played.

I never thought of that game as watered down...  and ya I'm not into consoles either but.. to make general statements like they are facts is..  not logical.

Its perfectly viable to make a very good cross platform MMO... then again considering recent MMO releases its not all that hard to be one of the better MMO's on the market.

Originally posted by toddze

There is no question about it that a PC always has the ability to be better, by far than a console. It would take a nut case to argue otherwise. However the consoles are not as weak as everyone makes them out to be.

I would like to see Console only MMO's for 2 reason. Firstly Everybody would be on the same playing feild preformance wise. Secondly its many times harder to have a console hacked and boted. I have only seen ps3 game botted in once and it was fixed shortly after. (CoD4 aim bot). As long as an MMO is multiplatform, I would play mainly on PC because my gaming PC is built for MMO's.

 

One good example of a multi-console mmo that is routinely hacked is Phantasy Star Universe. One of the reasons most of its players are gone.

Originally posted by WisebutCruel

Originally posted by toddze

There is no question about it that a PC always has the ability to be better, by far than a console. It would take a nut case to argue otherwise. However the consoles are not as weak as everyone makes them out to be.

I would like to see Console only MMO's for 2 reason. Firstly Everybody would be on the same playing feild preformance wise. Secondly its many times harder to have a console hacked and boted. I have only seen ps3 game botted in once and it was fixed shortly after. (CoD4 aim bot). As long as an MMO is multiplatform, I would play mainly on PC because my gaming PC is built for MMO's.

 

 

One good example of a multi-console mmo that is routinely hacked is Phantasy Star Universe. One of the reasons most of its players are gone.

I was un-aware of PSU being plauged by hacks thx for the example.

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Originally posted by Antarious

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Originally posted by Force_Fire

Why would you ever turn Startrek into an XBOX title? I will never see the appeal in an MMORPG made for the Console. I wish DEV companies were not so freaken greedy. Why can't they just be happy with the PC version.
CONSOLES = WATERED DOWN GAMES

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I always love these rants.
 
You know FFXI was actually a PS2 game released in Japan.. when they opened up the US market it was cross platformed to the PC.
FFXI is better than many of the "pc only" MMO's that have ever come out.. and had one of the best control systems (imho) of any MMO I have ever played.
I never thought of that game as watered down...  and ya I'm not into consoles either but.. to make general statements like they are facts is..  not logical.
Its perfectly viable to make a very good cross platform MMO... then again considering recent MMO releases its not all that hard to be one of the better MMO's on the market.

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Originally posted by sookster54

 

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Originally posted by Antarious

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Originally posted by Force_Fire

 

Why would you ever turn Startrek into an XBOX title? I will never see the appeal in an MMORPG made for the Console. I wish DEV companies were not so freaken greedy. Why can't they just be happy with the PC version.
CONSOLES = WATERED DOWN GAMES

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I always love these rants.
 
You know FFXI was actually a PS2 game released in Japan.. when they opened up the US market it was cross platformed to the PC.
FFXI is better than many of the "pc only" MMO's that have ever come out.. and had one of the best control systems (imho) of any MMO I have ever played.
I never thought of that game as watered down...  and ya I'm not into consoles either but.. to make general statements like they are facts is..  not logical.
Its perfectly viable to make a very good cross platform MMO... then again considering recent MMO releases its not all that hard to be one of the better MMO's on the market.

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And how successful was FFXI for PS2 again?

 

FFXI IMO is very successful. It came out before WOW did and its still going strong. Its one of my favorite MMO's as i played it for 5 years. Its more of an MMO for the hardcore MMO'er which I like so that cuts out your casual MMO'er sub rate which isnt a bad thing. The community in it is by far the best of ANY mmo out there. Its not only for the ps2 but also the 360. For it to still be around today and releasing expansions, it has to be successful or Square Enix would not continue to put time and money into it.

Originally posted by toddze

Originally posted by sookster54

 

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Originally posted by Antarious

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Originally posted by Force_Fire

 

Why would you ever turn Startrek into an XBOX title? I will never see the appeal in an MMORPG made for the Console. I wish DEV companies were not so freaken greedy. Why can't they just be happy with the PC version.
CONSOLES = WATERED DOWN GAMES

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I always love these rants.
 
You know FFXI was actually a PS2 game released in Japan.. when they opened up the US market it was cross platformed to the PC.
FFXI is better than many of the "pc only" MMO's that have ever come out.. and had one of the best control systems (imho) of any MMO I have ever played.
I never thought of that game as watered down...  and ya I'm not into consoles either but.. to make general statements like they are facts is..  not logical.
Its perfectly viable to make a very good cross platform MMO... then again considering recent MMO releases its not all that hard to be one of the better MMO's on the market.

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And how successful was FFXI for PS2 again?

 

 

FFXI IMO is very successful. It came out before WOW did and its still going strong. Its one of my favorite MMO's as i played it for 5 years. Its more of an MMO for the hardcore MMO'er which I like so that cuts out your casual MMO'er sub rate which isnt a bad thing. The community in it is by far the best of ANY mmo out there. Its not only for the ps2 but also the 360. For it to still be around today and releasing expansions, it has to be successful or Square Enix would not continue to put time and money into it.

It went over pretty well in Japan, not so much in the US. That is why Square / Enix maintains it.

Originally posted by Wharmaster

Originally posted by toddze

Originally posted by sookster54

 

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Originally posted by Antarious

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Originally posted by Force_Fire

 

Why would you ever turn Startrek into an XBOX title? I will never see the appeal in an MMORPG made for the Console. I wish DEV companies were not so freaken greedy. Why can't they just be happy with the PC version.
CONSOLES = WATERED DOWN GAMES

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I always love these rants.
 
You know FFXI was actually a PS2 game released in Japan.. when they opened up the US market it was cross platformed to the PC.
FFXI is better than many of the "pc only" MMO's that have ever come out.. and had one of the best control systems (imho) of any MMO I have ever played.
I never thought of that game as watered down...  and ya I'm not into consoles either but.. to make general statements like they are facts is..  not logical.
Its perfectly viable to make a very good cross platform MMO... then again considering recent MMO releases its not all that hard to be one of the better MMO's on the market.

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And how successful was FFXI for PS2 again?

 

 

FFXI IMO is very successful. It came out before WOW did and its still going strong. Its one of my favorite MMO's as i played it for 5 years. Its more of an MMO for the hardcore MMO'er which I like so that cuts out your casual MMO'er sub rate which isnt a bad thing. The community in it is by far the best of ANY mmo out there. Its not only for the ps2 but also the 360. For it to still be around today and releasing expansions, it has to be successful or Square Enix would not continue to put time and money into it.

 

It went over pretty well in Japan, not so much in the US. That is why Square / Enix maintains it.

well I think it didnt go over to well in the US because its not a casual friendly game. But there are alot of north american players that do play it. The word Solo is not in FFXI vocabulary. US gamers like to solo alot and not be forced to group for the most part. 
 

Edit: so I dont think that it being cross platform (pc/console) had anything to do with its popularity or lack there of.

Originally posted by toddze

Originally posted by Ad-am

Fact 1: PCs have more power, upgradeable parts, and are THE platform for gaming period. Keyboard and mouse are way superior than a console controller.

Fact 2: Consoles are good as long as the technology inside it are current. As we know PC and PC parts get fairly outdated within a year. The controller is limiting you to 4 buttons, left & right trigger, left & right buttons, and of course the D-pad and directionals.

That being said the graphics probably will not be an issue on the PC or Console (though a PC will yield way better graphics any day). The problem is the game play. There is just no way you can cut down the controls of a MMO to a console controller. The results are bad....err horrific.

Age of Conan MMO is supposed to be ported from the PC to the xbox 360.....its been delayed once already and I think they are having issues with the controllers. My point is a Star Trek MMO is supposed to be huge.....HUGE. I think we are all burned out playing the stafleet command, Legacy, fly a ship and blow each other up stuff. Trekkers want a MMO not a watered down shoot em up style game. Star Trek will tank if there are no class specific careers to take up and learn.  

 

 

Man what is it with ignorant people these days? PS3/360 Consoles CAN use keyboard and mouse. Its just that the games developed for them do not have the software built in to be compatable with keyboard and mouse.  So if an MMO goes to console it can use keybord and mouse if the developers want it to. They just need to add the software to their game and presto you can use mouse and keyboard.
 

I never said it couldn't use a keyboard. I was saying the keyboard and mouse are way better than using a controller. Besides using a keyboard and mouse on a console is a joke....how many successful games have come out that use a keyboard and mouse? I tried playing FF on the 360...