I hated AoC, I got tired of GW, I hated WoW... I Love Warhammer, therefore, I think your rule fails. 

Originally posted by vernd

I came to this game for open world PVP, not "PVP in a box" scenarios. There's very little real RVR action even on high pop realms, and I don't feel all that inclined to sink time into this game when I honestly don't feel like the game is going to amount to much. It's going to be a bunch of ex-WoW junkies grinding scenarios until the end of time, thinking they are playing a game that is somehow fundamentally different, when it's really just more of the same.

The game has potential, but the community playing it is just completely screwed up.

Build your own community.  I've invited some real life friends to play and you don't need a whole army for all open world RVR, theres alot a 4 person team can do. Especially if you pick the right classes.

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by vernd

I came to this game for open world PVP, not "PVP in a box" scenarios. There's very little real RVR action even on high pop realms, and I don't feel all that inclined to sink time into this game when I honestly don't feel like the game is going to amount to much. It's going to be a bunch of ex-WoW junkies grinding scenarios until the end of time, thinking they are playing a game that is somehow fundamentally different, when it's really just more of the same.

The game has potential, but the community playing it is just completely screwed up.

 

Build your own community.  I've invited some real life friends to play and you don't need a whole army for all open world RVR, theres alot a 4 person team can do. Especially if you pick the right classes.

 

I'm not interested in skirmishes, they sold this game on WAR but whenever I log in, it's nowhere to be found. There's a number of reasons for that which I don't care to debate; suffice it to say they clearly haven't done enough to ease population imbalance and subsequently most Order players ignore the RVR lakes and just grind scenarios.

Maybe I joined a "lucky" server, but last night I joined a t2 warband and fought over the keeps in troll country.  For about 3 hours, it was close to 50v50 with each side pushing and retreating at various points.  Most evenings I have had no problems joining a warband and bashing some skulls in open rvr.  At this point the open world rvr seems to concentrate in certain areas, and usually doesn't start to get massive untill around 7pm EST, but once it gets going, it seems to go on for quite a while. Try going to the different rvr areas, and look for RvR warbands.  Many people have been complaining about lack of open rvr even on high/high servers, but I haven't at all (although it is dead in the afternoon on a weekday, ie 11am-3pm).

 I just love it....lol So entertaining when you voice your concerns about this pathetic game your automatically a blizz fan and a wow lover . 

The game will fail...simple fact... It will remain in the same league as lotr.  I've leveled to 30 and had many many discussions with fellow players, many will not be renewing after the 30 day free period. Shame? yes it is as i was looking forward to this game, but its simply a let down with poor gameplay and lack of pvp and graphical beauty. Deny it as much as you like coz your just blind, every statistic available is showing the game is coming to a fast painful death and we all know why . 

Originally posted by bodypass

No matter what the die hard fans may say:

War is a GIANT step back in every respect of what a MMORPG should be AND it is clunky, lagyy and badly designed both in server capacity, PVE challenge AND RvR wise.

Those who LOVE it fall in 3 categories:

- DAoC lovers who think they can come back to the high days of that game

- Wow haters who just want to love it because they played Wow to death and now hate their ex love.

- The MMORPG jumpers who jump from MMORPG to MMORPG every time a new launch is announced.

All 3 categories "love" this game for the wrong reasons, they "think" they love it, but they have the wrong driving force to love and support it. All three will drop the ball.

The first category have to admit it's a shadow of the orginal DAoC, the second group are just loving it because they can hate their old love even more (forgetting that War is even more of less)... until they wake up and the third group will leave when the next new kid comes to town.

ALL the rest of the buyers can't look at it without having this feeling of: a clunky PvP, lagyy and badly designed game both in server capacity, PVE challenge AND RvR wise.

 

Wow!

I bet if you got a job in the stock market, you could keep the economy floating above water just based on your assumptions!

 save your money.....

I wasted 50 bucks wanting to play a "new" mmo, only to find this WoW remake.

This game is good for all the kids out there who think WoW is a great a game.  Its like developer's just copy & pasted half of WoW's Code into this.

I can't speak for everyone, looks like enough ppl agree that this game is lame. 

way, WAY overrated.

Save your money!!

 I agree with the cut and paste but im sure they missed parts out as its such a poorly programmed game. Looks like it was designed by students in their 2nd year of National Diploma in computing. lol   

Originally posted by bodypass

No matter what the die hard fans may say:

War is a GIANT step back in every respect of what a MMORPG should be AND it is clunky, lagyy and badly designed both in server capacity, PVE challenge AND RvR wise.

Those who LOVE it fall in 3 categories:

- DAoC lovers who think they can come back to the high days of that game

- Wow haters who just want to love it because they played Wow to death and now hate their ex love.

- The MMORPG jumpers who jump from MMORPG to MMORPG every time a new launch is announced.

All 3 categories "love" this game for the wrong reasons, they "think" they love it, but they have the wrong driving force to love and support it. All three will drop the ball.

The first category have to admit it's a shadow of the orginal DAoC, the second group are just loving it because they can hate their old love even more (forgetting that War is even more of less)... until they wake up and the third group will leave when the next new kid comes to town.

ALL the rest of the buyers can't look at it without having this feeling of: a clunky PvP, lagyy and badly designed game both in server capacity, PVE challenge AND RvR wise.

 

 

And it's sweeping generalizations like this that let me know you are an idiot. People cannot be lumped into categories like that. This way of thinking is what fuels racism, and sexism....Bodypass you aren't a bigot are you?

Anyways,  I hated GW AND AoC, and I enjoy WAR. Bodypass, why is it that you have such an issue with people enjoying a game that you don't? What's the big deal? Really, I'd like to hear your answer.

WoW is your game, we all get it, you are a fanboy proudly waving your WoW flag and shouting at anyone who will listen.......instead of playing....which is what you should be doing if you love the game so much. K Thx

Originally posted by Shin-Ra

 I just love it....lol So entertaining when you voice your concerns about this pathetic game your automatically a blizz fan and a wow lover . 

 

The game will fail...simple fact... It will remain in the same league as lotr.  I've leveled to 30 and had many many discussions with fellow players, many will not be renewing after the 30 day free period. Shame? yes it is as i was looking forward to this game, but its simply a let down with poor gameplay and lack of pvp and graphical beauty. Deny it as much as you like coz your just blind, every statistic available is showing the game is coming to a fast painful death and we all know why . 

Why do people state opinions as "simple fact"?

The only thing simple here is you....yes, I'm calling you stupid.

BTW please show me these "statistics" you speak of because I'm calling your bluff.

 Warhammer has quite a bit better graphics than WoW and expands upon the concept of pvp in a way that Warcraft never had, it also does Realm versus Realm battles in a way that feels epic. I also perfer the far more fantasy and less cartoonish armors and dye was just a brilliant way to add variety, especially with two layers. Im sorry, but I hate Warcraft, I cant help that, but what I can tell you is Warhammer is not another Warcraft to me. 
 

Oh and people who cry out "Save your money!!!" tend to piss me off. It would be like someone standing outside of Burger King and screaming that we're killing cows and to go elsewhere, and 'save money'. Really, what gives you the right to tell people not to spend their money on something they may damn well enjoy?

Originally posted by Balthaazar1

 Warhammer has quite a bit better graphics than WoW and expands upon the concept of pvp in a way that Warcraft never had, it also does Realm versus Realm battles in a way that feels epic. I also perfer the far more fantasy and less cartoonish armors and dye was just a brilliant way to add variety, especially with two layers. Im sorry, but I hate Warcraft, I cant help that, but what I can tell you is Warhammer is not another Warcraft to me. 
 

Oh and people who cry out "Save your money!!!" tend to piss me off. It would be like someone standing outside of Burger King and screaming that we're killing cows and to go elsewhere, and 'save money'. Really, what gives you the right to tell people not to spend their money on something they may damn well enjoy?

You already bought the game, by virtue of that fact this thread is not directed at you. Relax.

 He asked. 

I agree with the OP that this game stinks.

Total waste of $50

The topic should say save your time don't real the troll post....unless your a troll.  

Save your money for what??

I'll say..

What PvP game out right now allows you to at least put a dent in someone from level 1? 

What game out lets you pvp with nothing but your crap starter gear?

WAR strong points are that you can really just PICK IT UP and play, and not have to worry about the people who have more free time than you.  You can get buy on just a few hours a week and still have a good time.  Can you do that in WoW?  If you want to PvP there, you are stuck logging in.. having to find money to buy gear.. Oh.. and did I mention having to be at the top level in order to be competetive in the BG? WAR isn't a perfect game.. and it does harken back to 4 years ago (as far as depth goes).  The lack of community (at least in the game) is sad as well. 

I find that people who bitch about this game (in that they find in linear) are sad because they don't have a sandbox MMORPG to play.. And those that would play that game come here and post pissy posts because that wanted that game to be WAR.

WAR is like WoW in that it has quests.  And PvP.   IF you changed the interface, slightly, it would look more like it's own game. 

AoC plays NOTHING like WAR, and I quit AoC with in 2 weeks of starting. (5 days after retail started)

Originally posted by Kokushibyou

Originally posted by ssjkakarotto

2. Too many bugs still in game: from graphic/animation glicthes, falling through the world, targetting issues, ton of collision detection issues, combat unresponsiveness ( especially for melee, need ot spam skills forever before they go off, especially in pvp)

I hate it when people out and out lie in a post; WAR is by far one of the most bug free MMO launches ever.
 

Say what you will about the style of gameplay, that is a matter of personal taste, but coming on these boards to lie about the state of the game at release is just pathetic.  I have been playing since OB and not once have I ever fallen through the world.  Collision detection is exactly what it is supposed to be, yes you can get trapped by a group of enemy players (or even players of your own side who aren't smart enough to let you run away), but that was by design.  Skills go off as soon as their cool down is up no spamming neccessary, just look at the icon and you can see when they are going to go off.

 

And you are wrong. The issue with PvP collision is, when you think you hav somebody blocked off and then 3 seconds later you realize they just warped 30y away. The game is fun, but  as I spend more time in it, I can see where it's going to get frustrating until they fix the issues.

 Resists are broken right now, CC is broken for some classes (lol @ getting chain fire caged which lasts full duration, no matter how much dmg you take). Outside of a more tactical PvP approach, the game really doesn't have too much else to offer. The PQs get repetitive and 1/2 the time you can't finish the stages because you don't have a healer and/or tank.

While the overall launch was smooth, there are some imbalance issues with some fo the classes and some features that are clearly missing (item linking). The good thing is, the game should get better, but some people still have a sour taste in their mouths with AoC and they really don't want another game to promise them the world and get nothing.

 On a side note, I was very interested in this game for the PvP. For the longest time they touted the game wouldn't have too much CC, yet, I think the CC in this game is worse then WoW at this point. Sure it might be due to bugs, but it makes some classes next to impossible to play.

Originally posted by DuraheLL

Who cares what game is better?
WoW is so BORING I can't stand playing it for more than 10 minutes.

WAR I'm having a blast with so far, what more do I need to know?

this discussion is all over the place, how it works is people like something new, i love mmo-rpg games since i started playing back on shadowbane in early 2000. for me games dont really need to stack up against each other. its a more of a new content & fresh ideas thing. this of course can be killed by repedidity. warhammer gives my a few smiles here & there cause i messed around with the tabletop game for a little while way back when. plus the gameplay isnt all that bad, its just another quest-grind / PVP game just like every other MMO on the market but it is definately one of the better ones ive seen. in my opinion a game having a good solid lore background helps a little to bring players as well.

but all in all it really has to each individual everyone has there own likes & dislikes. so its good to check these forums for info on a game before u buy it but difinately try something for yourself to get a feel. im glad i picked up WH it will fill up my month before WotLK comes out, (seeing as my guilds finished all the content including sunwell.)

What I would actually like to see is all troll/fanboi label posts removed and everyone that makes them banned from the site.. in an attempt to clean it up.

Its perfectly possible to respond to the OP without these comments.

My simple response..

WTF does liking AoC have to do with making me like WAR ?

I liked the combat system in AoC.. I do not like the combat system in WAR.  For me this negates the entire premise made by the OP.

I liked the combat system in DAoC as well .. I still don't like the combat system in WAR.

I like the concept of WAR.. to be honest I think they took the wrong direction with the game.  That's just my opinion.

Short response:

AoC I would still be subscribed to if the developers hadn't starting ingesting large amounts of mind altering drugs after release.

WAR I would resubscribe to if they totally redesigned the game.

I'm sure there are people that hate or love either game... this is just my personal opinion and is stated only as that.

Guys, damn,.. you would think I kick your dog or something..  many people come here and tell you what they think of games and thats why most people come here and read before they waste 50.00 to go buy a game,..  me,.   I just feel it was a waste of money.

When I say AOC and WAR are kinda the same,.. I mean they are the same as the same old lame combat moves,.. the same lame move as in POTBS.  The combat is also like D & D.. 

I like the comabt in DAOC and I was hoping it would be more like that. DAOC had a lot of cool things in it and I was hoping they would bring more from that game to this one.

I think this game will turn out like another Vanguard,..  lots of people loving and in about a few months or so,.. the game will be empty.

I also think that most of the games that come out today are junk to what they use to be..  just my thought, but oh well...  maybe someday someone will make a game I can like.

you have good points balt. touche.

besides making it look more like a fantasy game, rather than a 12-year-old's sketches... this game is still extremely standard, and typical.

seriously... anyone can list many many games that plays & look exactly like this. for the ppl who actually are looking for a " NEW " mmo. save your money, this game is just like the rest.

Originally posted by in4sit

Guys, damn,.. you would think I kick your dog or something..  many people come here and tell you what they think of games and thats why most people come here and read before they waste 50.00 to go buy a game,..  me,.   I just feel it was a waste of money.

When I say AOC and WAR are kinda the same,.. I mean they are the same as the same old lame combat moves,.. the same lame move as in POTBS.  The combat is also like D & D.. 

I like the comabt in DAOC and I was hoping it would be more like that. DAOC had a lot of cool things in it and I was hoping they would bring more from that game to this one.

I think this game will turn out like another Vanguard,..  lots of people loving and in about a few months or so,.. the game will be empty.

I also think that most of the games that come out today are junk to what they use to be..  just my thought, but oh well...  maybe someday someone will make a game I can like.

No offence, and you're certainly welcome to your opinion, but how on earth are the combats in DDO, WAR and AoC even remotely similar?

DDO is twitch-based

AoC is based on triggered combos

WAR uses a more traditional style MMO combat

Yikes.

Originally posted by in4sit

Guys, damn,.. you would think I kick your dog or something..  many people come here and tell you what they think of games and thats why most people come here and read before they waste 50.00 to go buy a game,..  me,.   I just feel it was a waste of money.

When I say AOC and WAR are kinda the same,.. I mean they are the same as the same old lame combat moves,.. the same lame move as in POTBS.  The combat is also like D & D.. 

I like the comabt in DAOC and I was hoping it would be more like that. DAOC had a lot of cool things in it and I was hoping they would bring more from that game to this one.

I think this game will turn out like another Vanguard,..  lots of people loving and in about a few months or so,.. the game will be empty.

I also think that most of the games that come out today are junk to what they use to be..  just my thought, but oh well...  maybe someday someone will make a game I can like.

First, AoC wasn't "same ol' same ol'" combat...if there is anything redeeming about AoC it's the fact that the combat was new and different.

Second, Daoc has the same combat as EQ, WoW, Vanguard, WAR, and every other mainstream mmo...I played it, and I know that to be true so what are you talking about?

Third, the combat is NOTHING like D & D at all whatsoever.

You are completely wrong in every single thing you have said. I mean really, do some research, or better yet KNOW what you are talking about.

Originally posted by Stradden

Originally posted by in4sit

Guys, damn,.. you would think I kick your dog or something..  many people come here and tell you what they think of games and thats why most people come here and read before they waste 50.00 to go buy a game,..  me,.   I just feel it was a waste of money.

When I say AOC and WAR are kinda the same,.. I mean they are the same as the same old lame combat moves,.. the same lame move as in POTBS.  The combat is also like D & D.. 

I like the comabt in DAOC and I was hoping it would be more like that. DAOC had a lot of cool things in it and I was hoping they would bring more from that game to this one.

I think this game will turn out like another Vanguard,..  lots of people loving and in about a few months or so,.. the game will be empty.

I also think that most of the games that come out today are junk to what they use to be..  just my thought, but oh well...  maybe someday someone will make a game I can like.

 

No offence, and you're certainly welcome to your opinion, but how on earth are the combats in DDO, WAR and AoC even remotely similar?

DDO is twitch-based

AoC is base don triggered combos

WAR uses a more traditional style MMO combat

Yikes.

/signed

really having a great new combat system didnt save AoC either - combat systems do not make a mmo - nor (imho) when they are the same as the rest, break a mmo

for me its the lore, feel and look of my toons thats more important than being able to chop someones arm off in a groovie cut scene... that and running around semi nude earning titles for being a nudist...so small things amuse small minds /innocent look

but each to their own, I was really suprised how much WAR grabbed me, I think the ability to play different styles of a game really appeals -

and the avatars/world has its own feel which I like too

sure there are issues but combat system doesnt pip as one of them for me /shrug