Originally posted by Divious

Originally posted by Moaky07

I dont care if it was directly responsible for Jeff Freemans depression or not....there is no doubt that his time there trying to make peace with the "vets" affected him.

This thread should be closed, speculating whit the grief of others is out of the question in my belief.

This thread should not have been started in the 1st place.

I agree with Divious and EbenEmael

Originally posted by EbenEmael

Originally posted by Moaky07

"I don't think however that getting rid of the vet forum will solve anything...Jestor and his ilk will just set up shop somewhere else. No it's time to tame the Wild West of the Internet, Cyber stalking Cyber harassment need to have real consequences.
"

 

It wont stop it entirely...but it would end it on this site.

 

This is supposed to be a site about MMOs, and news pertaining to them.

Not a glorified "hate club". That is grade school BS.

MMORPG.com would be a lot better place if this stuff wasnt allowed. Instead it gives credence to folks like Jestor...who wouldnt receive the time of day on nearly any other site.

I am sure some law enforcement agencies would love to get their hands on the vets posts from this site the past 3 years. From those alone you would find conspiracy to destroy property(the ones that used to damage game boxes on shelves and call upon others to as well), threats made to SOE(Wildcats threat of website if SOE didnt open classic servers), general hate inspired actions, and IP infringement...or whatever else.

These are just things off the top of my head.

When Jeff died it took on a real face around here.

Put an end to it Stratton.

Make this a site about present/future games...not wallowing in the past.

That is very narrow minded of you, wanting these forums removed because you don't agree with some posters. If you don't like these threads than don't read them. Some of the people here are trying to educate others about what type of company SOE is. You can find just as much 'hate' on the official forums.

As far as Jeff goes, he obviously had other issues he was dealing with. No one knows what other than himself and his family. Trying to place the blame on anyone in this forum is ridiculous.

Were you around when Jeff come to make peace with the "vets"?

He was lambasted. You could tell it bothered him by him bothering to show up to post...he was viewed as akin to the anti-christ. Here he works in the industry, and everywhere his reputation didnt just take a hit...it was torn apart.

It didnt go on for 6 months or a year either...we are talking a couple months short of 3 yrs and the whining is still going on. These "vets" keep dibs on everyone involved, hoping to get another chance to cause em grief I would imagine.

Ask one of their "elite" members where Nancy or Julio is working presently...I bet they can answer without missing a beat.

All that place does is foster hate...and now things have gone too far.

I dont care if it was only a micro-fraction of concern to him...it is rediculous it has gone on this long.

Enough already. The fact someone would mouth off in his RIP post stating he didnt "suffer enough"  says it all.

Everyone not realizing how serious a matter this is must not of ever lost someone close to them in a similar manner.

It is time for it to end...and it never will as long as that forum exists. It may not curtail it entirely...but it can be done away with on this site.

Which is what should matter to the other posters here. A site for discussions...vs a site to cry over 3 yr old spilled beer.

Keep the vet forum, it keeps their endless bitching contained.

Just don't ever click on it, problem solved. Think of it as a quarantine zone for your eyes.

While were out of it lets get rid of the World War Two Vet board too. I mean come on its been like what 70 years, they should be over it by now!

bah, thought I had something to say, but decided this thread isn't worth the time.

Originally posted by Moaky07

Originally posted by EbenEmael

Originally posted by Moaky07

"I don't think however that getting rid of the vet forum will solve anything...Jestor and his ilk will just set up shop somewhere else. No it's time to tame the Wild West of the Internet, Cyber stalking Cyber harassment need to have real consequences.
"

 

It wont stop it entirely...but it would end it on this site.

 

This is supposed to be a site about MMOs, and news pertaining to them.

Not a glorified "hate club". That is grade school BS.

MMORPG.com would be a lot better place if this stuff wasnt allowed. Instead it gives credence to folks like Jestor...who wouldnt receive the time of day on nearly any other site.

I am sure some law enforcement agencies would love to get their hands on the vets posts from this site the past 3 years. From those alone you would find conspiracy to destroy property(the ones that used to damage game boxes on shelves and call upon others to as well), threats made to SOE(Wildcats threat of website if SOE didnt open classic servers), general hate inspired actions, and IP infringement...or whatever else.

These are just things off the top of my head.

When Jeff died it took on a real face around here.

Put an end to it Stratton.

Make this a site about present/future games...not wallowing in the past.

That is very narrow minded of you, wanting these forums removed because you don't agree with some posters. If you don't like these threads than don't read them. Some of the people here are trying to educate others about what type of company SOE is. You can find just as much 'hate' on the official forums.

As far as Jeff goes, he obviously had other issues he was dealing with. No one knows what other than himself and his family. Trying to place the blame on anyone in this forum is ridiculous.

 

Were you around when Jeff come to make peace with the "vets"?

 

He was lambasted. You could tell it bothered him by him bothering to show up to post...he was viewed as akin to the anti-christ. Here he works in the industry, and everywhere his reputation didnt just take a hit...it was torn apart.

It didnt go on for 6 months or a year either...we are talking a couple months short of 3 yrs and the whining is still going on. These "vets" keep dibs on everyone involved, hoping to get another chance to cause em grief I would imagine.

Ask one of their "elite" members where Nancy or Julio is working presently...I bet they can answer without missing a beat.

 

All that place does is foster hate...and now things have gone too far.

 

I dont care if it was only a micro-fraction of concern to him...it is rediculous it has gone on this long.

Enough already. The fact someone would mouth off in his RIP post stating he didnt "suffer enough"  says it all.

Everyone not realizing how serious a matter this is must not of ever lost someone close to them in a similar manner.

It is time for it to end...and it never will as long as that forum exists. It may not curtail it entirely...but it can be done away with on this site.

Which is what should matter to the other posters here. A site for discussions...vs a site to cry over 3 yr old spilled beer.

 

People come here (and to other social networking sites) to discuss, learn, argue, flame, and many other reasons. Just because you do not like the subject matter or certain comments does not mean a particular thread/forum should be deleted. Everyone has their own opinion. Whether you read them or not is up to you. You do not have to agree with them but you have no right to call for censorship of an entire forum section. I have read comments at this site that I viewed as racist, sexist,  and distasteful. Whether or not I read the poster/s comments anymore is up to me. But I will not call for them to be deleted. That is up to the site Admin (if the comments are against policy).

Who cares how long the discussion about SOE/CU/NGE has been going on? Why does it bother you so much? Yes, this site is for the discussion of MMOs.That also includes MMO history, current developements, and what the future has in store.

People like to whine on these forums (including you). that is part of the reason they are here.

Originally posted by Roosevelt

While were out of it lets get rid of the World War Two Vet board too. I mean come on its been like what 70 years, they should be over it by now!

You know, you are right. We need to stop discussing history all together! What has history done for you lately?

P.S. Lets burn all the books too! Who needs to be edumacted enywas? Ignorance is underrated...

Originally posted by Moaky07

I dont care if it was directly responsible for Jeff Freemans depression or not....there is no doubt that his time there trying to make peace with the "vets" affected him.

Several of them treated him like a dog. He tried in vain to make ammends with the mob.

All that forum is about is hate. Yet MMORPG continues to foster it, by providing a place to those that refuse to let go almost 3 years later.

Enough already....these folks have their own sites to wallow on.

A mainstream MMO site shouldnt be providing this type of atmosphere on their forums.

Is it going to take another person going off the deep end to get the message thru?

MMOs are games. Period.

Even if they are drastically changed, it shouldnt be a reason for a lynch mob to keep after those responsible for nearly 3 years. And there is no way on earth a MMO site should be allowing that type of mentality to frequent their site.

Maybe if a member of Jeffs family were to sue MMORPG it would get the point across...cause nothing else has seemed to change the status quo around here.

This is read...."Some folks need to wake the frack up".

 

Hey there, shooter.  His own family said swg had NOTHING, ZERO to do with his death.  Whats so hard to understand about that?  Nothing the swg vet community said/did made him kill himself.  Even if no one had said a word to or about him after the nge he still would have killed himself.

Please stop trying to push your crusade against swg vets on the back of a dead man.  All it does is make you like douche bag.

Originally posted by Torak

Keep the vet forum, it keeps their endless bitching contained.

Just don't ever click on it, problem solved. Think of it as a quarantine zone for your eyes.

 

 

Completely agree with you on. Maybe we should close vets down for a week and see how many ask for it back.

Damn...somebody beat me in reporting the op.

Not that the op will care but the SWG vets were fine with Jeff Freeman. He was the first of the devs involved in the NGE to not only admit what a mistake it was but to apologize for not considering the current players when they were working on it. To blame us for his suicide is honestly deplorable and I hope you get a little vacation from these forums for even insinuating it.

Originally posted by Moaky07

I dont care if it was directly responsible for Jeff Freemans depression or not....there is no doubt that his time there trying to make peace with the "vets" affected him.

Several of them treated him like a dog. He tried in vain to make ammends with the mob.

All that forum is about is hate. Yet MMORPG continues to foster it, by providing a place to those that refuse to let go almost 3 years later.

Enough already....these folks have their own sites to wallow on.

A mainstream MMO site shouldnt be providing this type of atmosphere on their forums.

Is it going to take another person going off the deep end to get the message thru?

MMOs are games. Period.

Even if they are drastically changed, it shouldnt be a reason for a lynch mob to keep after those responsible for nearly 3 years. And there is no way on earth a MMO site should be allowing that type of mentality to frequent their site.

Maybe if a member of Jeffs family were to sue MMORPG it would get the point across...cause nothing else has seemed to change the status quo around here.

This is read...."Some folks need to wake the frack up".

 

So, the best way to deal with a problem is by censuring it?  If you do not like what is said in the vets forum then seriously, why do you go there?  ----edit number 2---- had not read that he had passed and do not feel the need to discuss the mans depression, especially in light of how he apparently handled it..

The most surefire way to make sure that SOE and other companies dont pull the same BS that SOE did is by keeping the vet forum.  Unless people learn from the past it is destined to be repeated.

If you don't like it, don't read what's there.  Simple.  And if it's taken away then folks will post in the active forums :) 

--edit---

I hadn't heard what had happened.  I did not like the man, did not like the way he handled the situation with SOE and SWG but, I did then and will now say, that he had more cajones than anyone else at SOE by coming here.   Deepest condolences to his family, mental illness is never easy to come to grips with moreso for those left behind.  Best of luck to Brenda and their sons.

Originally posted by Moaky07

Originally posted by EbenEmael

Originally posted by Moaky07

"I don't think however that getting rid of the vet forum will solve anything...Jestor and his ilk will just set up shop somewhere else. No it's time to tame the Wild West of the Internet, Cyber stalking Cyber harassment need to have real consequences.
"

 

It wont stop it entirely...but it would end it on this site.

 

This is supposed to be a site about MMOs, and news pertaining to them.

Not a glorified "hate club". That is grade school BS.

MMORPG.com would be a lot better place if this stuff wasnt allowed. Instead it gives credence to folks like Jestor...who wouldnt receive the time of day on nearly any other site.

I am sure some law enforcement agencies would love to get their hands on the vets posts from this site the past 3 years. From those alone you would find conspiracy to destroy property(the ones that used to damage game boxes on shelves and call upon others to as well), threats made to SOE(Wildcats threat of website if SOE didnt open classic servers), general hate inspired actions, and IP infringement...or whatever else.

These are just things off the top of my head.

When Jeff died it took on a real face around here.

Put an end to it Stratton.

Make this a site about present/future games...not wallowing in the past.

That is very narrow minded of you, wanting these forums removed because you don't agree with some posters. If you don't like these threads than don't read them. Some of the people here are trying to educate others about what type of company SOE is. You can find just as much 'hate' on the official forums.

As far as Jeff goes, he obviously had other issues he was dealing with. No one knows what other than himself and his family. Trying to place the blame on anyone in this forum is ridiculous.

 

Were you around when Jeff come to make peace with the "vets"?

 

He was lambasted. You could tell it bothered him by him bothering to show up to post...he was viewed as akin to the anti-christ. Here he works in the industry, and everywhere his reputation didnt just take a hit...it was torn apart.

It didnt go on for 6 months or a year either...we are talking a couple months short of 3 yrs and the whining is still going on. These "vets" keep dibs on everyone involved, hoping to get another chance to cause em grief I would imagine.

Ask one of their "elite" members where Nancy or Julio is working presently...I bet they can answer without missing a beat.

 

All that place does is foster hate...and now things have gone too far.

 

I dont care if it was only a micro-fraction of concern to him...it is rediculous it has gone on this long.

Enough already. The fact someone would mouth off in his RIP post stating he didnt "suffer enough"  says it all.

Everyone not realizing how serious a matter this is must not of ever lost someone close to them in a similar manner.

It is time for it to end...and it never will as long as that forum exists. It may not curtail it entirely...but it can be done away with on this site.

Which is what should matter to the other posters here. A site for discussions...vs a site to cry over 3 yr old spilled beer.

 

i lost my sister in a similar manner , shut your mouth!

it was stated that it was not due to SWG

his family posted in the vet forums

i dont think any man would kill himself over a few dickwads on the internet.

the same hate can be found in every forum, the only difference is that the vets will say why it was better and how we got lied to... by removing the vets forum and having the ROC on every other forum you are censoring/deleting valid posts about valid opinions of a current MMO and the company that made it. if MMORPG.com would remove that forum they would be no better than SOE deleting all posts critisizing the NGE in the oboards.

you should open your eyes and do some research and see that MMORPG is happy land compared to other discusting and disturbing hate websites out there that are meant in the sole purpose of provoking suicide of targeted individuals.

if you really are pissed at the vet forum for the "so much hate" why not simply go to a major blog site and post on how hate sites should get banned (thus "regulating" the internet itself...)

and i will keep it polite and i will tell you

go away (what i really want to say to you has to much profanity)

Originally posted by Moaky07

I dont care if it was directly responsible for Jeff Freemans depression or not....there is no doubt that his time there trying to make peace with the "vets" affected him.

Several of them treated him like a dog. He tried in vain to make ammends with the mob.

All that forum is about is hate. Yet MMORPG continues to foster it, by providing a place to those that refuse to let go almost 3 years later.

Enough already....these folks have their own sites to wallow on.

A mainstream MMO site shouldnt be providing this type of atmosphere on their forums.

Is it going to take another person going off the deep end to get the message thru?

MMOs are games. Period.

Even if they are drastically changed, it shouldnt be a reason for a lynch mob to keep after those responsible for nearly 3 years. And there is no way on earth a MMO site should be allowing that type of mentality to frequent their site.

Maybe if a member of Jeffs family were to sue MMORPG it would get the point across...cause nothing else has seemed to change the status quo around here.

This is read...."Some folks need to wake the frack up".

 

Who pissed in your Wheaties this morning?

Originally posted by Moaky07

The "vets"  have complained for nearly 3 years. 

So? Let along 3 more years, hell, lets make it 10! Bottom line, what was done to the people who played the game easily belongs to one of the most rotten and offensive acts ever in gaming history to me. It deserves to be remembered. And as long as the company still exists, they shall be known for their past! Especially since they haven't really improoved since then have they now? Who really likes SONY or Lucas Arts (perhaps more than SONY, but still)

The hate forums need to be removed from MMORPG.

No. Dont make us move over to the "swg current" section :P We are doing fine here. Stop rolling around in our soil if you think it smells funny!

We should shut-down all poorly designed mmorpgs right now to prevent this in the future.

Originally posted by Moaky07

I dont care if it was directly responsible for Jeff Freemans depression or not....there is no doubt that his time there trying to make peace with the "vets" affected him.

 

Shame on you for even starting a post of this nature. Depressions is a serious illness that contributes too many factors that causes a person that has depression.

Originally posted by Nicrox

Originally posted by Moaky07

I dont care if it was directly responsible for Jeff Freemans depression or not....there is no doubt that his time there trying to make peace with the "vets" affected him.

 

 

Shame on you for even starting a post of this nature. Depressions is a serious illness that contributes too many factors that causes a person that has depression.

Shame on me?

If you had been around to see how folks talked to him you would of made the post yourself.

One "vet" even went so far to say they were glad he was dead after his passing.

MMORPG doesnt need those type of folks around here, and the vet forum does nothing more than continue to give those folks a place to fester in their hate.

You see them spewing their bile on all the forums. This site should be about all games...instead it always turns into a SWG pre-cu fest.

And good job with the ninja bump :P

If I recall there was a couple of very disgruntled and very apathetic vets still talking smack about him still after he died . The vet forums are there to remind the community about the contversial nature that surrounds this game from the NGE to current. As for any real assholes that made those apalling statements about Jeff's suicide well need to be stricken from the site and permissions banned.

Originally posted by Moaky07

Originally posted by Nicrox

Originally posted by Moaky07

I dont care if it was directly responsible for Jeff Freemans depression or not....there is no doubt that his time there trying to make peace with the "vets" affected him.

 

 

Shame on you for even starting a post of this nature. Depressions is a serious illness that contributes too many factors that causes a person that has depression.

 

Shame on me?

If you had been around to see how folks talked to him you would of made the post yourself.

One "vet" even went so far to say they were glad he was dead after his passing.

MMORPG doesnt need those type of folks around here, and the vet forum does nothing more than continue to give those folks a place to fester in their hate.

You see them spewing their bile on all the forums. This site should be about all games...instead it always turns into a SWG pre-cu fest.

And good job with the ninja bump :P

So what? I'm sure there is an NGE player who has done something bad too(like lie about SWG saying it's good). Doesn't mean we should shut down the current player forum.

We all know this has nothing to do with Jeff though. You are a current SWG lubber who is in dire fear that his precious game is going to be "sunsetted" because it totally sucks, and you want the vet forum, a place where the negative(truth) about SWG shines, to be shut down so that new players will be tricked into trying SWG and your game will be saved.

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by Moaky07

Originally posted by Nicrox

Originally posted by Moaky07

I dont care if it was directly responsible for Jeff Freemans depression or not....there is no doubt that his time there trying to make peace with the "vets" affected him.

 

 

Shame on you for even starting a post of this nature. Depressions is a serious illness that contributes too many factors that causes a person that has depression.

 

Shame on me?

If you had been around to see how folks talked to him you would of made the post yourself.

One "vet" even went so far to say they were glad he was dead after his passing.

MMORPG doesnt need those type of folks around here, and the vet forum does nothing more than continue to give those folks a place to fester in their hate.

You see them spewing their bile on all the forums. This site should be about all games...instead it always turns into a SWG pre-cu fest.

And good job with the ninja bump :P

 

So what? I'm sure there is an NGE player who has done something bad too(like lie about SWG saying it's good). Doesn't mean we should shut down the current player forum.

We all know this has nothing to do with Jeff though. You are a current SWG lubber who is in dire fear that his precious game is going to be "sunsetted" because it totally sucks, and you want the vet forum, a place where the negative(truth) about SWG shines, to be shut down so that new players will be tricked into trying SWG and your game will be saved.

You wanna lie some more?

I am very outspoken that I cant stand any version of SWG.

I am a EQ'er...always have been, and unless something ever comes along that I like better, always will be.

Nad if you wann talk about fear...I see a number of PRECioUs lovers losing their cool over the fact that the new SW game isnt going to be SWG 2. I wouldnt be surprised if you are a part of that crowd as well.

In which case...sucks to be you!

And BTW...luv the ole..."so what what if we did it"..."someone else was bad also". Great argument there chappy. /golfclap

Originally posted by DuraheLL

Originally posted by Moaky07

The "vets"  have complained for nearly 3 years. 

So? Let along 3 more years, hell, lets make it 10! Bottom line, what was done to the people who played the game easily belongs to one of the most rotten and offensive acts ever in gaming history to me. It deserves to be remembered. And as long as the company still exists, they shall be known for their past! Especially since they haven't really improoved since then have they now? Who really likes SONY or Lucas Arts (perhaps more than SONY, but still)

The hate forums need to be removed from MMORPG.

No. Dont make us move over to the "swg current" section :P We are doing fine here. Stop rolling around in our soil if you think it smells funny!

 

The necromancy is strong with this one.  The ability to raise such an old thread is uncommon. 
 

What is the whole story here? Some vets on a forum typed LOL /facepalm fail at someone, and that allegedly was the reason they commited suicide?

mean people said mean things, 3yrs of therapy since they had all their hopes and dreams crushed  by SOE didn't help so they troll around here and stuff.

was the deceased a $OE employee or what?