I see they are giving a free weekend and i think i'm going to reinstall and check it out again.i haven't played in over a year so i'm curious.i'm defintely disappointed in war and feel lotr was a much more solid and rewarding game having now tried both.so i'll be cancelling my sub to war and may be resubbing to lotr.

Well... it took 2 weeks for the first of these posts to arrive :)

I wish all the "just wait once AoC/WAR are released, this game will die" people would see this :)

LMAO

DB

Originally posted by nethrill

I see they are giving a free weekend and i think i'm going to reinstall and check it out again.i haven't played in over a year so i'm curious.i'm defintely disappointed in war and feel lotr was a much more solid and rewarding game having now tried both.so i'll be cancelling my sub to war and may be resubbing to lotr.

Why go back to LoTRO if you found you didn't like it enough to stay the first time?

Originally posted by DonnieBrasco

Well... it took 2 weeks for the first of these posts to arrive :)

I wish all the "just wait once AoC/WAR are released, this game will die" people would see this :)

LMAO

DB

You know, not that I'm bad mouthing LOTRO cause as of right now I'm actually a subscriber and player. Just want to say that while it's a great game, and encourage anyone who wants to to come back, you'd have to be blind to not admit that the population has taken a huge hit since newer games have come out... I mean I just recently resubbed, and love the game, but feeling a bit empty.

Originally posted by JK-Kanosi

Originally posted by nethrill

I see they are giving a free weekend and i think i'm going to reinstall and check it out again.i haven't played in over a year so i'm curious.i'm defintely disappointed in war and feel lotr was a much more solid and rewarding game having now tried both.so i'll be cancelling my sub to war and may be resubbing to lotr.

 

Why go back to LoTRO if you found you didn't like it enough to stay the first time?

Having found a solid and entertaining, classy game will not make one stop being curious about other games - I have tried AoC as well for a month. Of course, ran back screaming to LOTRO, which is no wonder :)

DB

Originally posted by WaryJanus

Originally posted by DonnieBrasco

Well... it took 2 weeks for the first of these posts to arrive :)

I wish all the "just wait once AoC/WAR are released, this game will die" people would see this :)

LMAO

DB

 

You know, not that I'm bad mouthing LOTRO cause as of right now I'm actually a subscriber and player. Just want to say that while it's a great game, and encourage anyone who wants to to come back, you'd have to be blind to not admit that the population has taken a huge hit since newer games have come out... I mean I just recently resubbed, and love the game, but feeling a bit empty.

No, while I think this is a bit of an overstatement, there is some hint of point in there.
 

LOTRO is almost 20 months old - and only a month away from its first huge expansion. At this point most people are capped and running around doing raids/faction quests/pvmp you name it. This is why there are areas (lower levels that one passes within a couple of days of playing) that can feel empty now. That's no wonder.

Still, I think this is a good time to re-sub, as with the launch of Moria there will be a great plenty of players trying new classes, so the lower level areas will be crowded again.

(Just ouf of curiosity, I have checked my kinship to see how population is these days. 44 members have been playing in the last 24 hours. Also there are scheduled raids twice a week - and we are a total casual kinship is well :)

So the game is very much alive.... a lot more than AoC is, for an example (I assume WAR is still teeming though, which is cool :)

DB

Originally posted by nethrill

I see they are giving a free weekend and i think i'm going to reinstall and check it out again.i haven't played in over a year so i'm curious.i'm defintely disappointed in war and feel lotr was a much more solid and rewarding game having now tried both.so i'll be cancelling my sub to war and may be resubbing to lotr.

Can you explain to me how a game is much more solid and rewarding if you haven't played it in over a Year?

I couldn't help noticing this thread. I'm also disappointed with WAR and will be logging back into LOTRO this evening. Most likely will renew my sub over the weekend.

The game is wonderful, but I do find myself getting a bit bored after a while and trying other games. Always end up back here though.

The only "weakness" LOTRO has, in my opinion, is the classes. They are all a bit.. well... "Meh". Not awful but not exciting either. To me the rest of the game is simply superb.

WAR can be quite fun at first, but very shallow. It's not a "great" MMO. More like playing an online FPS actually.

Originally posted by COORS

I couldn't help noticing this thread. I'm also disappointed with WAR and will be logging back into LOTRO this evening. Most likely will renew my sub over the weekend.

The game is wonderful, but I do find myself getting a bit bored after a while and trying other games. Always end up back here though.

The only "weakness" LOTRO has, in my opinion, is the classes. They are all a bit.. well... "Meh". Not awful but not exciting either. To me the rest of the game is simply superb.

WAR can be quite fun at first, but very shallow. It's not a "great" MMO. More like playing an online FPS actually.

I disagree on WAR, but agree on the classes in LoTRO. I planned on picking up the LoTRO expansion, because the new classes actually sound like my cup of tea, but WAR really sucked me in. I haven't been sucked in by a game like this since SWG. Only two games out of 20+ have even held my attention, and that's DAoC and SWG. WAR will be a third. The environment in LoTRO is the best I've seen, but the classes are the worst I've seen. If they got the classes right the first time around, I wouldn't have even tried WAR probably.

It would be interesting to hear what you guys dont like about the current classes! And what you think about the upcoming classes Warden and Rune keeper.

 Well, I played LOTRO for a long while and am now enjoying WAR. But its really as simple as playing what you like. LOTRO is a great game, WAR is pretty good too.

I have played WoW for 3 years & regret every single bit of it & wasted over $1200 for that game... came to Lotro & have been playing it off & on since november .... hard to keep with it since I dont really have an easy way to pay for it....

I have not bought WaR yet because I dont know if my computer could hold it or not but.... so far this is one of the best games I have ever played.....

the ONLY problem is the population.

before WaR on the forums someone would reply in a few hours, now on the forums it seems like a few weeks

I have seen the same posts since I started & it is annoying...

but all in all this is a great game
 

 Well I guess my problem with the Lotro classes is the fact that there isn't that many of them. Also they seem very... strict? I mean a guardian is a straight tank, champion aoe dps, etc... and they don't seem to (or be able to) deviat much from their role. I mean the nice thing about WAR is that there's so many classes, and yeah you may say all the tanks are really the same, which is maybe a valid point, but even if their differently strictly in flavor, they *feel* different. Lotro's classes seem like their sorta.. ok here's your role, now go do that, and nothing else. That's why I'm looking forward to the expansion the new classes seem a little more hybrid to me, which will be nice, to have classes that are capable of different playstyles.

Originally posted by WaryJanus

 Well I guess my problem with the Lotro classes is the fact that there isn't that many of them. Also they seem very... strict? I mean a guardian is a straight tank, champion aoe dps, etc... and they don't seem to (or be able to) deviat much from their role. I mean the nice thing about WAR is that there's so many classes, and yeah you may say all the tanks are really the same, which is maybe a valid point, but even if their differently strictly in flavor, they *feel* different. Lotro's classes seem like their sorta.. ok here's your role, now go do that, and nothing else. That's why I'm looking forward to the expansion the new classes seem a little more hybrid to me, which will be nice, to have classes that are capable of different playstyles.

I have seen and used a chapion to tank, not as good as a guardian but able to do so. I have also seen a captian off tank. The classes are able to do other jobs they all have a secondary job that they can be used in but not excel at to the point they replace another classes primary job.

With MOM will also come a rework of the combat system. Wich will change the way the classes play to a certain degree.

I don't see the classes bein g as strict as you make them out to be. I have been playing this game since closed beta started and i have tried all the classes to some degree. Not all of them were my cup of tea and that is what i expected cause not everyone plays the same.

Originally posted by nethrill

I see they are giving a free weekend and i think i'm going to reinstall and check it out again.i haven't played in over a year so i'm curious.i'm defintely disappointed in war and feel lotr was a much more solid and rewarding game having now tried both.so i'll be cancelling my sub to war and may be resubbing to lotr.

If you like LOTRO better than you should play it. On the other hand, why did you quit?

Can be that you really need another new game... But free is good, go for the free time first and decide after.

Originally posted by nethrill

I see they are giving a free weekend and i think i'm going to reinstall and check it out again.i haven't played in over a year so i'm curious.i'm defintely disappointed in war and feel lotr was a much more solid and rewarding game having now tried both.so i'll be cancelling my sub to war and may be resubbing to lotr.

I just bough AoC and I get the same from their forums that many players are leaving WAR. Because their RvR system does simply not work or the technical issues are simply too many. So I think LotRO should see a steady population increase over the next month.

couple points about the classes in LOTRO -- the first 7 classes were strictly designed based on role and lore implications.  I feel they did a brilliant job of being the first game I've ever seen not mimic Advanced Dungeons and Dragons class based systems.   I can understand not liking them if you're looking for the typical classes that D&D offered (and yes Everquest, EQ2, WoW, WAR, AoC, etc I can declare all of them derived their class concepts from a Dungeons and Dragons class system).

I'd imagine it was a huge challenge trying to immerse a gaming population used to this traditional view of classes in to Middle earth where things like magic, traditional healing concepts, etc didn't exist in lore.   They've made classes that facilitate excellant playability through all levels of play and allow versaitility in group formation.

Take champion you get a really good avoidance build slap a shield on go in to the right stance -- champs can tank the Balrog.  I've seen it done.   They don't have the instant agro skills that Guards have so it requires a tighter raid but their dps allows them to hold a very solid agro and get the job done.    Most 5 or 6 man groups I"ve seen down the rog used a champ over a guardian so they had clobbers on the everseer.

I've seen groups kill Mordrith in CD with Loremaster as main healer instead of minstrel or even captain.  Hell I've seen a solid burglar become main healer by creatively useing conjunctions.  And with end game gear my minstrel has tanked two shamans on Thrang in the rift for a time while folks were needed elsewhere on short handed fights (this was never the original plan but hey I was able to keep it going for quite some time and we won the encounter).   I just can't agree with the whole *strict adherence to roles* thing.  Heck there are a lot of mins with a very different build than me who really CAN tank almost as well as a champ in some circumstances!   Sooo many different things you can do with traits and gear and options that no class is totally limitted in how it can be played.

So I'd counter what's said about the class system -- I find LOTRO's class system the most versatile and interchangeable of any game -- and yes I've played a lot of them.

As for the future it seems that Runekeeper is going to be a neat compromise with the desire to have magic -- they've wisely limitted it to dwarves and elves again *Trying* to stick fairly close to lore -- although you aren't going to really be able to be too dogmatic about lore in the game I don't think.  They are doing a damn good job there.   Also the warden is an exciting concept of an avoidance tank who doesn't wear heavy armour.  I'm curious to see the end result and how the implementation effects group combos -- but it will just expand on the versatility they've already created.

I mean no disrespect but if folks are of the opinion that the class system is flawed -- they really haven't played too far in to the game -- I'd wager making it to max level 35 maybe even 40 playing with very narrow minded pick up groups with builds based on traits and gear only aquired through questing.    After having been level 50 for over a year on my min I'm still constantly analising my build to see how I can improve many different areas of my survivability and effectiveness.  It takes a good amount of time to really understand and get solid with your class in this game -- as it should!
 

Originally posted by musicman2000

couple points about the classes in LOTRO -- the first 7 classes were strictly designed based on role and lore implications.  I feel they did a brilliant job of being the first game I've ever seen not mimic Advanced Dungeons and Dragons class based systems.   I can understand not liking them if you're looking for the typical classes that D&D offered (and yes Everquest, EQ2, WoW, WAR, AoC, etc I can declare all of them derived their class concepts from a Dungeons and Dragons class system).

I'd imagine it was a huge challenge trying to immerse a gaming population used to this traditional view of classes in to Middle earth where things like magic, traditional healing concepts, etc didn't exist in lore.   They've made classes that facilitate excellant playability through all levels of play and allow versaitility in group formation.

Take champion you get a really good avoidance build slap a shield on go in to the right stance -- champs can tank the Balrog.  I've seen it done.   They don't have the instant agro skills that Guards have so it requires a tighter raid but their dps allows them to hold a very solid agro and get the job done.    Most 5 or 6 man groups I"ve seen down the rog used a champ over a guardian so they had clobbers on the everseer.

I've seen groups kill Mordrith in CD with Loremaster as main healer instead of minstrel or even captain.  Hell I've seen a solid burglar become main healer by creatively useing conjunctions.  And with end game gear my minstrel has tanked two shamans on Thrang in the rift for a time while folks were needed elsewhere on short handed fights (this was never the original plan but hey I was able to keep it going for quite some time and we won the encounter).   I just can't agree with the whole *strict adherence to roles* thing.  Heck there are a lot of mins with a very different build than me who really CAN tank almost as well as a champ in some circumstances!   Sooo many different things you can do with traits and gear and options that no class is totally limitted in how it can be played.

So I'd counter what's said about the class system -- I find LOTRO's class system the most versatile and interchangeable of any game -- and yes I've played a lot of them.

As for the future it seems that Runekeeper is going to be a neat compromise with the desire to have magic -- they've wisely limitted it to dwarves and elves again *Trying* to stick fairly close to lore -- although you aren't going to really be able to be too dogmatic about lore in the game I don't think.  They are doing a damn good job there.   Also the warden is an exciting concept of an avoidance tank who doesn't wear heavy armour.  I'm curious to see the end result and how the implementation effects group combos -- but it will just expand on the versatility they've already created.

I mean no disrespect but if folks are of the opinion that the class system is flawed -- they really haven't played too far in to the game -- I'd wager making it to max level 35 maybe even 40 playing with very narrow minded pick up groups with builds based on traits and gear only aquired through questing.    After having been level 50 for over a year on my min I'm still constantly analising my build to see how I can improve many different areas of my survivability and effectiveness.  It takes a good amount of time to really understand and get solid with your class in this game -- as it should!
 

Very well put, couldn`t  agree more. I`ve played LOTRO since day one, and when - and only when - you learn every nook and cranny your character class has to offer, you realise just how special your chosen class is.

And having played 4 different classes myself, - including Burglar and a Hunter -- both worlds apart, i know how much classes in this game are rather special.

Plater

Originally posted by comradedoug

 Well, I played LOTRO for a long while and am now enjoying WAR. But its really as simple as playing what you like. LOTRO is a great game, WAR is pretty good too.

I enjoy both games too. They're so different in playstyle, look and feel that I don't really think they're competitors. My current group is playing more WAR at the moment, but we're definitely going to jump back into Lotro when Moria comes out. And I'll continue to get my PvP fix from WAR.

Originally posted by DonnieBrasco

Originally posted by JK-Kanosi

Originally posted by nethrill

I see they are giving a free weekend and i think i'm going to reinstall and check it out again.i haven't played in over a year so i'm curious.i'm defintely disappointed in war and feel lotr was a much more solid and rewarding game having now tried both.so i'll be cancelling my sub to war and may be resubbing to lotr.

 

Why go back to LoTRO if you found you didn't like it enough to stay the first time?

 

Having found a solid and entertaining, classy game will not make one stop being curious about other games - I have tried AoC as well for a month. Of course, ran back screaming to LOTRO, which is no wonder :)

DB

Of Course... From what i have heard that is absolutely no of course. I agree though, that the WAR posts were absolutely enevitable. The game is just not of the standard that is required to succede today.

Originally posted by OrionMan

Originally posted by DonnieBrasco

Originally posted by JK-Kanosi

Originally posted by nethrill

I see they are giving a free weekend and i think i'm going to reinstall and check it out again.i haven't played in over a year so i'm curious.i'm defintely disappointed in war and feel lotr was a much more solid and rewarding game having now tried both.so i'll be cancelling my sub to war and may be resubbing to lotr.

 

Why go back to LoTRO if you found you didn't like it enough to stay the first time?

 

Having found a solid and entertaining, classy game will not make one stop being curious about other games - I have tried AoC as well for a month. Of course, ran back screaming to LOTRO, which is no wonder :)

DB

 

Of Course... From what i have heard that is absolutely no of course. I agree though, that the WAR posts were absolutely enevitable. The game is just not of the standard that is required to succede today.

Well, since you didn't play AoC, of course you won't know... I played it for 3 weeks back after launch, and it was a total trainwreck. Not sure how it is now, but I don't think I'll try it w/o a free trial first ever again....
 

DB

blah blah blah..

it's for this reason, i.e. the "my game is good your's is crap, nah nah nah' posts like this on every single game forum on this site, that this site is like being back at kindergarten, and now completely pointless.

cya kids

I too will probably come back to LotRO.. although i never really gave it a chance in the first place I think it's the best PvE out there right now. I just have MMO ADD but yeah I tried playing WAR but Lord of the Rings Online. Another plus is that there are new classes coming out with the expansion which means the starting areas will get a little more populated as well.

Good reasons to come back :)