World of Warcraft

Originally posted by mrnutz1065

http://www.wardb.com/item.aspx?id=430064

This is an example of an item with +bonus melee damage to it, and with set bonuses such as +29 strength.

http://www.wardb.com/item.aspx?id=431064

Has +1 critical hit chance, which I believe is 1%.

I think mythic are trying to move warhammer away from the RNG and put more emphasis on skill, hence why there is no +hit and critical hit gear is sparse. Besides, crits don't do 200% damage in warhammer, so less is attributed to luck.

Warhammer is very much like WoW in a lot of ways, but it doesn't have to be a carbon copy of WoW to be a good game.

Granted.

But, it would just be kinda nice to see some of this stuff before lvl 18 rlvl 16.  That's nearly half way into the game from a PvE perspective.  Granted the game is based more around the PvP side, but still how long did it take you to find this item?  That item I believe is a set piece is that correct?  I've heard that set pieces are very tough to come by.  True?
 

Originally posted by whisperwynd

The points made are valid, to the poster, and I've no problem with them. The problem I see is still the old "Can't compare to WoW" crap that's  representative of the same love/hate between different mmo players and their respective choices.

You prefer WoW to WAR? Fine, by all means stay there and enjoy yourselves. Just don't say it's better because you hated WAR.  They aren't in the same genre pf gameplay. WoW's PvP isn't bad to some, but it isn't what alot of PvPers want, so they prefer WAR for their PvP...Who cares?!

I've played WoW, now am playing WAR because it is different...will I play  WAR in a year's time? Don't know, but it's not because of someone's lame attempt of comparing it to WoW, or LOTRO that will stop me. I don't play WoW anymore because it got boring for me. FOR ME. Never will I say it's a boring game. Not the same thing, only ignorant rants say otherwise.

Why does anyone start playing, and PAYING for a new game if they're into another? What's the reasoning? To try it only to 'prove' their other game is better? Was it really to try something new? Would you have left your other game had it been to your liking? If not, then you should just chalk it up as an experience and move on.

If you really hated it, without knowing what you were getting into, then you wasted your money on it, with a bad after-taste in your mouth, and the only one to blame is yourself.  (Not directed at anyone in particular)

I like some of the drama on these forums, but this constant squabble of which game is better is really pathetic. Play your game and let the other guy worry about where he's spending his 15$/month on.

The answer is very simple really.

WAR does NOT meet the standards set out by Blizzard 4 years ago AND upgraded 2 years ago.

If you do not want to play with the present day standards . OK np, fine by me, but WAR lacks about everyhting Wow (and other MMORPG's) even have standard.

Everyone will and can be the judge, but the qualtiy differences are SOOO huge and just can't be neglected.

Go and have a look at HOW Bliizard tackled the fighting animations and then look at War. In the end the buying public will be the judge. And there a dozens and dozens of these kind of polishment differences.

If YOU want to pay for far less in WAR and its end game ... NP It is YOUR money.

                           Apples to Oranges? Tommatoes to Potatoes?

          I just don't get why everyone compares WAR with WoW. I mean... the two may have interlocked pasts, but they are completely different.. their lore is completely different. One is focused on PvP and the other PvE. One has more bugs (WAR; just released ), and one has fewer bugs, but still plenty (WoW; released 3-4 years ago.) It seems that teese people complaining about how "WAR Sucks....!", "Soooo many bugs!", ect., are just wanting a new WoW.. because they are bored with the one they had. And I mean really... If you are dissapointed with the game... ask yourself... What did you expect? Another, upgraded version of WoW?

       And to the people who said it was a "WoW Clone" before the game came out.... Well.. boy were you all wrong.

      Pappy.... I only reached level 47 in WoW, and I still looked like I could be a level 15 or 20. Now, I'm level 14 in WAR, and I look nothing like a level 5. And again.. if you add +STR, why would you add + DMG? that is just... blashemphy. Who wants a game that is based on your gear? I mean.. I have sucky @$$ gear, level 14, and still do among the top 5 DMGs in scenarios... Why do you think this is so?

      Oh... and I agree with the underwater... but that would take way too much man power. And I mean.. it is a war game. Why would you really want to looking for buried treasure, and bones of pirates, ect? It is a war for heavens sake! Not some WoW-Con. (Not saying this is bad, just saying it is completely different.) Save all this for WoW.. when you grind your way to level 80.

GG.

-Rauge

Originally posted by Skrofler

Alright, I don't mind people not liking something in particular but at least they should do it with good reason. I have to defend WAR here and comment a bit on Pappy's review especially since it contains some misinformation.

1) Why would you want to go under water? There's nothing there and you would never benefit from it in combat. And what's so bad about falling damage? It's just a bit realistic.

2) What you're saying is basically true. I just don't have problems with it.

3) First off, WAR quests are very much grouped together. Check your map once more please. I agree though that quests do not give a sense of accomplishment, but then neither do WoW quests unless you're talking about the 10% drop rate ones. I wouldn't know since I don't degrade myself enough to complete them.

4) This is where I start to wonder if you played beyond level 3 or we even played the same game. You obviously never saw a level 40 character. Sure, the art style is different. It's grittier. It's for all of us who dislikes looking like the blinking christmas trees wielding almost-sword-like objects from Warcraft. The items in WAR looks slightly more as if somebody could actually wear/wield them and then go into combat. Next try not to be so hung up on WoW math and its combat system. WAR has a totally different set of stats and nothing is "missing". If you bothered to mouse-hover over your stats you would find out that Intelligence increases spell damage and.. uh... armour increases armour. Really! What were you looking at?

5) UI is highly customisable from the built-in tool. You don't like it? You can change it, but it takes more than 10 minutes so not for those with short attention span. But this is one of the areas where a lot of players are complaining, especially about linking in chat. AH filtering works fine for me.

6) "Fun factor" is not there for sure, and it's intended. Mythic didn't put any fluffy kitten crap in there since it's a game about war - not breeding kittens. There are emotes though, just not the same as in WoW. Try typing /help to get a list of all 220 commands. And why would you want fishing? To pass time? If you need to do something else just log out!
7) Yes, PvE is "lacking" if you're expecting WoW 2. But this isn't WoW 2. It's not a PvE game with some flawed PvP-system added for good measure. It's a game that totally revolves around PvP combat with a little PvE content added for diversion. Now I can't speak for the server you tried but on Burlok I'm rarely having trouble completing a PQ because of not enough players. It usually happens around 4 AM. I've never had to queue either.

8) Yes. Crafting is abysmal, and good riddance. To answer your questiong about talisman making though, you'll find those materials if you pick the scaveniging or salvaging skill. And why would you need bandages when there's potions? Bandages are just a potion with a different name and a separate cooldown. However since potions in WAR are more potent than in WoW and already on a 60 sec CD....

9) No. ..... Okay, I'll humour you with a slightly longer response. To say that the 3 BGs in WoW are enough is just... well okay, if you settle for that it's fine I guess. The scenarios in WAR are all variations of conquer and defend, of course, since how could it not be. It's all a game of strategical conflict. There really is little you can do other than to alter the terrain. Next issue... Just because there were nobody in the RvR area when you went there on your admittedly under-populated server doesn't mean that open RvR is broken. I've had plenty of action on my mid-pop server. This is something that will even out in time though. Too bad you never got to experience a keep siege. It's really something.

10) I have 1.5 Gb RAM and have no issues with response.

1Concerning the waters it has EVERYTHING TO DO with the world's realism lvls.

2.all sensible ppl know that the best pvp system is the wow's arenas ..unless u value opinions of  inmature kids that like to gang or attack from safe range in mass battles.. Skilled ppl want to fight  fair fights where you are 5 ppl vs 5 ppl.. 3 ppl vs 3 ppl 2 ppl vs 2 ppl .. Nothing fun about 8 ppl getting zerged by 40 ppl as im sure its hapopening hundrends of times in almost all servers in various times of day

Real realm vs realm needs much better combat system also than the auto attacks noobish system of wow+war and clickie clickie..u want decent and fair massive battles ?  prey aventurine will accomplish DF as they promished  to.. Rest are just to fool each other in the forums...

Try looking on the war herald at bottom.there is a program called "Spam Me Not'" to block all the goldspammers.

Originally posted by Mentat

I guess when Wotlk comes out I'll be back in there. I played War for a little over a week now. It's not bad but, it's also not that good either.

The graphics look nice but, the gameplay isn't nearly as smooth and the gold spammers are frikkin all over that game and unlike WoW there is no program to automatically remove and ignore them.

 

Try looking for the spam me not program at the bottom of war herald.

Originally posted by cainhunter

Pappy, what you don't seem to understand why there is no gear that  +damage, is the fact that the stats themselves add to damage.  So if the stats themselves add to crit or damage or healing why do they need to waste time making gear that gives +damage? 

OMG if you don't see the difference then there's no point in talking about it. In WoW you are trying to maximize BOTH stats at once, not simply one or the other. So you are looking for gear that does say both + Damage and + to Attack Power at the same time because they BOTH add to your total damage. This is absolutely KEY to making decisions in WoW about your gear. Do you want the item that adds 10 to Damage and 5 to AP or the one that just adds + 10 to AP? In WoW that might be a tough choice depending on what you think is more important. In War the choice is + 10 to Damage or + 11 to Damage, which do you want? What you have to ASK?

Originally posted by tazarconan

Originally posted by Skrofler

Alright, I don't mind people not liking something in particular but at least they should do it with good reason. I have to defend WAR here and comment a bit on Pappy's review especially since it contains some misinformation.

1) Why would you want to go under water? There's nothing there and you would never benefit from it in combat. And what's so bad about falling damage? It's just a bit realistic.

2) What you're saying is basically true. I just don't have problems with it.

3) First off, WAR quests are very much grouped together. Check your map once more please. I agree though that quests do not give a sense of accomplishment, but then neither do WoW quests unless you're talking about the 10% drop rate ones. I wouldn't know since I don't degrade myself enough to complete them.

4) This is where I start to wonder if you played beyond level 3 or we even played the same game. You obviously never saw a level 40 character. Sure, the art style is different. It's grittier. It's for all of us who dislikes looking like the blinking christmas trees wielding almost-sword-like objects from Warcraft. The items in WAR looks slightly more as if somebody could actually wear/wield them and then go into combat. Next try not to be so hung up on WoW math and its combat system. WAR has a totally different set of stats and nothing is "missing".